Its getting stupid at this point, as soon i see either Naut, amumu or hec its nearly 100% dodge game. If the enemy has both of them you ain't winning at all, esp with how %%%%i%%%%trong aftershock is, and the worst thing is you can't ban them all. If you don't have the dps or true damage to cut through their bloody tank stats while their still doing mad amounts of damage its pointless.
Its not a fact of getting good, or just learning to play around them there isn't much counter play when your team has no real dps to deal with them. Talking Around P1- D4 Elo.