About Zed and Rengar

So these two right here. {{champion:238}} {{champion:107}} . And mostly the monster this guy {{champion:238}} becomes with {{item:3142}} . Can someone tell me some counter tips/picks or punishments or whatever I could apply on them (especially on Zed) because I have never been so mad on a champion in my life. I find him pretty hard to deal with even when he gets 6 , but when he buys Youmuu? Jeez , he doesn't even need ult anymore to just destroy my hp in 1.50 seconds together with Thunderlord. Whenever I see him getting triple kills with a simple item and non-enchanted boots against multiple people without dying gets simply annoying. And Rengar is just like his brother , jumping on people and destroying them before they get to breathe. Hey , I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or I'm just bad against them or whatever , but I'd like some tips from the community. Thanks alot for taking your time to read and possibly help! {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
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