: Hello Riot once again the game proceeds to another level of toxicity
Report the ones to flame, this post has no purpose and that screenshot is irrelevant.
KAJ95cz (EUNE)
: Video on YouTube channel
Egillion (EUW)
: Remember the good old days !!!
Funny to see Intel i7 core sponsorship in the corner, feels like not even 1 day passed.
Petigun (EUW)
: The Tribunal system was already implemented, and was basicaly player evaluating reports. And apart from the time it took por a penalty to be issued, it was working fine, at least player were happy because we were the one who actually decided what was punnishable behavior or not. But since it takes much more work to try to fix a system that it takes to just delete it and replace it for something that we don't know how it work, all we know is what we are told, they went with the easyiest way out. Sure, we are told that 1 report = 9 reports, but if so, you are telling me I got chat restricted by responding sarcastic in one game and pointing out there is a bot in another? That is all it takes to get 10 games of chat restricted? Because that was what happened, 2 games of my entire match history made my level 4 honor go all the way down to 1, when I wan't toxic at all, and if that isnt a broken system then I don't know what is. Duzens and duzens of games where I am honorable, and in 2 games where I respond to player who are actually acting against the rules all of that doesnt mean anything to the Report System? Again, if that ain't broke, I don't know what is.
> [{quoted}](name=Petigun,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=GNEnz3XL,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-22T15:12:22.763+0000) > > The Tribunal system was already implemented, and was basicaly player evaluating reports. And apart from the time it took por a penalty to be issued, it was working fine, at least player were happy because we were the one who actually decided what was punnishable behavior or not. But since it takes much more work to try to fix a system that it takes to just delete it and replace it for something that we don't know how it work, all we know is what we are told, they went with the easyiest way out. > > Sure, we are told that 1 report = 9 reports, but if so, you are telling me I got chat restricted by responding sarcastic in one game and pointing out there is a bot in another? That is all it takes to get 10 games of chat restricted? Because that was what happened, 2 games of my entire match history made my level 4 honor go all the way down to 1, when I wan't toxic at all, and if that isnt a broken system then I don't know what is. Duzens and duzens of games where I am honorable, and in 2 games where I respond to player who are actually acting against the rules all of that doesnt mean anything to the Report System? Again, if that ain't broke, I don't know what is. I've read your chat history, the penalty is justified and fair. The fact you spent those good minutes pointing your sore opinions to the left and right regarding how bad someone is, why the game is lost and what bots you have in the match is one valid reason to give you a chat restriction. You could've used that time trying to find a solution for the problem, not being a part of the problem.
Petigun (EUW)
: I'm going to make the same reply to everyone, since I didn't make one of my points entirely clear: I didn't make the post to seek justice or to try to fix anything, I made it to let people know how I (and others) feel about this. But sure, here is the chat logs (I had them into the post). The 1st game is the refered game. The 2nd game, well, I'm extremly surprised. A game where mid (xerath) was premade wit a bot on top (I went and checked ahead and this guy is banned, so yes my guess that he was a bot is probably correct, I also got the report confirmation on him right after the game), and the only thing I did was to point out that, and discuss with xerath that he was just lying. I would like to point the fact that i never called anyone any names, The only thing I might have done is complain. But if any tiny type of complain made, like "pls say ss" is flaming, then something else is extremly wrong. And yes, everyone pointed out that "1=9" report thing, and I know that is what we have been all told. But as far as I know, that can't be actually proven, its a company word vs ours, or you do you all also think Zuck was never going to give our Facebook data just because he said so? And about the Tirbunal, again, I know it was slow, but the solution was not just delete it. The system could have been improven if they got their minds into it, but instead the attittude was to just replace it with something that a lot of people still thing today is extremly broken. The power of the Tribunal was that gave the players the power to decide what was bad behavior or not, and to see throw this kinds of cases where 1 guy gets reported for the simple fact he is with 4 premades and doesn't comply with an early surr. And I know it made a difference, since I participated a lot into it and got a lot of results. I knew those player were being punnished, and I knew that other people agreeed that thoe player deserved to be punnished, and that was the beauty of the system.
> [{quoted}](name=Petigun,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=GNEnz3XL,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-04-22T11:03:25.851+0000) > > I'm going to make the same reply to everyone, since I didn't make one of my points entirely clear: I didn't make the post to seek justice or to try to fix anything, I made it to let people know how I (and others) feel about this. But sure, here is the chat logs (I had them into the post). The 1st game is the refered game. The 2nd game, well, I'm extremly surprised. A game where mid (xerath) was premade wit a bot on top (I went and checked ahead and this guy is banned, so yes my guess that he was a bot is probably correct, I also got the report confirmation on him right after the game), and the only thing I did was to point out that, and discuss with xerath that he was just lying. I would like to point the fact that i never called anyone any names, The only thing I might have done is complain. But if any tiny type of complain made, like "pls say ss" is flaming, then something else is extremly wrong. > > And yes, everyone pointed out that "1=9" report thing, and I know that is what we have been all told. But as far as I know, that can't be actually proven, its a company word vs ours, or you do you all also think Zuck was never going to give our Facebook data just because he said so? > > And about the Tirbunal, again, I know it was slow, but the solution was not just delete it. The system could have been improven if they got their minds into it, but instead the attittude was to just replace it with something that a lot of people still thing today is extremly broken. The power of the Tribunal was that gave the players the power to decide what was bad behavior or not, and to see throw this kinds of cases where 1 guy gets reported for the simple fact he is with 4 premades and doesn't comply with an early surr. And I know it made a difference, since I participated a lot into it and got a lot of results. I knew those player were being punnished, and I knew that other people agreeed that thoe player deserved to be punnished, and that was the beauty of the system. How is the system broken? I've never been banned or warned, in 8 years since this account was created. It works as intended, the only downside is the fact real intentional feeding is undetectable if the troll/griefer changes his mind and adjust the score. IDK, we could probably use a system similar to what CSGO has, called "overwatch", where plats+ can review tickets and give a verdict, but i wouldn't count on that, because the general judgement of this community is highly flawed. There would be another option to have paid Game Masters, to take care of it, but yet again, it would involve huge company costs and end up by wasting GM's time, because, as i said, the community has a flawed sense of judgement and ration ( they only report out of frustration, when in reality, there was no broken rule).
JenShen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=CJXander,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=rRTsLnda,comment-id=00030001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-22T08:16:13.326+0000) > > And that's why only extreme toxicity is punished, you won't see anyone getting permanently banned over a "better luck next time", "???" or "cy@". A bit of BM is absolutely normal, at the end of the day it always evolve into a degenerative chat therefore ending up with bans. At that's only because people never know when to stop and where they cross the line. It could be true at some levels, but this is not the whole picture, I was banned because i had 5 losing streak, and i was negative, mostly because eveyone falmed me since the champ select, and I was just saing that the x guys is bad and then i saw he is actually trolling and wanted to point that to the team, the game was long lost, i didnt use any extream words, i was just whining because I was powerless to do anything, they flamed me since champ select and even after we started the game i wanted to be positive, i said guys we got it late so i can change the tone and the way we comunicate, the flame never stop agains me, the x champ was trolling i was trying to jsut comunicate, yes a bit negative but i tried to keep the good tone, and yet after 14 day this count as an extream behaviour that need perma without anyfurther investigations. you see only my chat, but even if they flamed me befor i got full tilted i was saing things like sorry i didnt have ult i couldnt help more, i am positive if they are. Yet, people on this boards will tell me how I am the reason this game is toxic and I am just a horrible human being. The problem is that you never know where this line is, i may find something funny and entartaining, others may find it the most offensice thing on the planet, even if that thing is neither. My thought is, We are not robots and we should not be judged by one, Not for the final verdict at least. Just my experience with the curren system, nothing more.
> [{quoted}](name=JenShen,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=rRTsLnda,comment-id=000300010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-22T08:33:42.956+0000) > > It could be true at some levels, but this is not the whole picture, I was banned because i had 5 losing streak, and i was negative, mostly because eveyone falmed me since the champ select, and I was just saing that the x guys is bad and then i saw he is actually trolling and wanted to point that to the team, the game was long lost, i didnt use any extream words, i was just whining because I was powerless to do anything, they flamed me since champ select and even after we started the game i wanted to be positive, i said guys we got it late so i can change the tone and the way we comunicate, the flame never stop agains me, the x champ was trolling i was trying to jsut comunicate, yes a bit negative but i tried to keep the good tone, and yet after 14 day this count as an extream behaviour that need perma without anyfurther investigations. > you see only my chat, but even if they flamed me befor i got full tilted i was saing things like sorry i didnt have ult i couldnt help more, i am positive if they are. Yet, people on this boards will tell me how I am the reason this game is toxic and I am just a horrible human being. > > The problem is that you never know where this line is, i may find something funny and entartaining, others may find it the most offensice thing on the planet, even if that thing is neither. My thought is, We are not robots and we should not be judged by one, Not for the final verdict at least. > > Just my experience with the curren system, nothing more. I'd say you would've got banned even if the tribunal was still there and a real person would've reveiwed the case instead of a robot. As i said before, flaming back is not justified no matter how much people flame you. The only difference is that both of the parties would've got banned at the same time.
Petigun (EUW)
: Premades and report system
Let me tell you a story, about playing league for 5 seasons , being reported on a daily basis and never got banned or warned, no matter what ammount of reports or premades i've encountered. And you know why is that? Because people mostly make fake reports out of frustration.
JenShen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=CJXander,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=rRTsLnda,comment-id=000300010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-22T07:45:13.838+0000) > > Lol, you're going on an extreme my dude, there is no self defense in trashtalking someone back, as it's not life threatening. If you like IRL examples, i'll give you one. So you're in a bar and a drunk dude swears at you, you swear back at him and the joint owner is calling the cops, do you think the cops will give a jackshit about who started it? No, you both are getting your ass fined. Your responsability is to report someone that is harrassing you, not to "fight back", while in a life threatening scenario you don't have that luxury. Be smart, make a difference. Do not get me wrong, i do not defend this behaviour, but as i said in the case of trash talking it is normal, in mma or in the world of boxing, people trashtalk to each other, then prove themselves on the ring, this is the same with the game, i can trash talk and you can prove me wrong, simple as that, Yes, attacking or reacting to somebady is not alwasy smart, but it is normal human behaviour, especially in video games, where things should not be taken so seriously, yeah someone told me from the other end of the europe union that will come and kill me, yeah dude you are getting all the trouble to find who i am where i live, and so on, just because a video game. If you have headache from such guys, muting them solves the problem. Whatever people say in games or internet shouldbt be taken seriously anyway.
> [{quoted}](name=JenShen,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=rRTsLnda,comment-id=0003000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-22T08:10:53.225+0000) > > Do not get me wrong, i do not defend this behaviour, but as i said in the case of trash talking it is normal, in mma or in the world of boxing, people trashtalk to each other, then prove themselves on the ring, this is the same with the game, i can trash talk and you can prove me wrong, simple as that, Yes, attacking or reacting to somebady is not alwasy smart, but it is normal human behaviour, especially in video games, where things should not be taken so seriously, yeah someone told me from the other end of the europe union that will come and kill me, yeah dude you are getting all the trouble to find who i am where i live, and so on, just because a video game. If you have headache from such guys, muting them solves the problem. Whatever people say in games or internet shouldbt be taken seriously anyway. And that's why only extreme toxicity is punished, you won't see anyone getting permanently banned over a "better luck next time", "???" or "cy@". A bit of BM is absolutely normal, but at the end of the day it always evolves into a degenerative chat therefore, ending up with bans. And that's only because people never know when to stop and where they cross the line.
JenShen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=CJXander,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=rRTsLnda,comment-id=0003000100000000,timestamp=2018-04-22T07:05:45.617+0000) > > I don't see why answer someone's taunt either. It will only increase your chances to get banned. It is a taunt, it is your choise how to reackt, not the people around you, if you want to answer, you answer, if people around you dont want to listen they dont. But you should be able to reackt and give your oppinion, we do not live in south korea, where if you anser to the leader you get punished, we are supposed to live in a normal, free countries, where you can answer the provocation. If he tells i am an idiot, why cant i tell him my oppinion about that? Yes, everything you do has concequences, but they should be according to your deets, and the context, if someone wants to murder you and in selfdefence you murder him insted, are you the criminal here? or you better let him murder you, because can just let him kill you, why would you do anything. Right now this systems feels like if you try to the selfdefence against person x, you are the actuall criminal and you will go in prison for life. Something like that, only because you wanted to defent yourself.
> [{quoted}](name=JenShen,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=rRTsLnda,comment-id=00030001000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-22T07:18:57.216+0000) > > It is a taunt, it is your choise how to reackt, not the people around you, if you want to answer, you answer, if people around you dont want to listen they dont. But you should be able to reackt and give your oppinion, we do not live in south korea, where if you anser to the leader you get punished, we are supposed to live in a normal, free countries, where you can answer the provocation. If he tells i am an idiot, why cant i tell him my oppinion about that? > > Yes, everything you do has concequences, but they should be according to your deets, and the context, if someone wants to murder you and in selfdefence you murder him insted, are you the criminal here? or you better let him murder you, because can just let him kill you, why would you do anything. > Right now this systems feels like if you try to the selfdefence against person x, you are the actuall criminal and you will go in prison for life. Something like that, only because you wanted to defent yourself. Lol, you're going on an extreme my dude, there is no self defense in trashtalking someone back, as it's not life threatening. If you like IRL examples, i'll give you one. So you're in a bar and a drunk dude swears at you, you swear back at him and the joint owner is calling the cops, do you think the cops will give a jackshit about who started it? No, you both are getting your ass fined. Your responsability is to report someone that is harrassing you, not to "fight back", while in a life threatening scenario you don't have that luxury. Be smart, make a difference.
JenShen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=CJXander,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=rRTsLnda,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2018-04-22T05:36:43.105+0000) > > Yep, mirroring a "***" is a silly thing to do, the automatic system cannot make the difference. Even tho, he was still pretty toxic, not perma ban toxic, but still toxic. Can we start making difference between words like, toxic, negative, just a noise, verbal abuseive. This chat is noisty, but nothing more, a guy answering another guy's questions, come on... you cannot say toxic to a normal conversation. Every one use the word toxic more than anything else, it is so anoying when someone say, yeah he wanted to give up he is toxic, he writs a alot he is toxic.. I dont know, for me it feels strange and anoying telling everything is toxic and flame. I do not argue with you, just giving you my point of view and yes deffenetly not permaban toxic, but the system does not care much
> [{quoted}](name=JenShen,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=rRTsLnda,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2018-04-22T06:28:02.456+0000) > > Can we start making difference between words like, toxic, negative, just a noise, verbal abuseive. > This chat is noisty, but nothing more, a guy answering another guy's questions, come on... you cannot say toxic to a normal conversation. > Every one use the word toxic more than anything else, it is so anoying when someone say, yeah he wanted to give up he is toxic, he writs a alot he is toxic.. I dont know, for me it feels strange and anoying telling everything is toxic and flame. > > I do not argue with you, just giving you my point of view and yes deffenetly not permaban toxic, but the system does not care much I don't see why answer someone's taunt either. It will only increase your chances to get banned.
Shiwah (EUW)
: You should contact the support, but be aware that mirroring zero tolerance phrases is not a good dea.
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=rRTsLnda,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-04-21T15:37:50.681+0000) > > You should contact the support, but be aware that mirroring zero tolerance phrases is not a good dea. Yep, mirroring a "***" is a silly thing to do, the automatic system cannot make the difference. Even tho, he was still pretty toxic, not perma ban toxic, but still toxic.
Kurdistan (EUNE)
: League of legends needs to GO BACK in time
You are absolutely subjective in this topic, you're mostly talking about things that you would like to have changed in order to improve your own personal experience. Now keep in mind, that chart means nothing, Fortnite had a boom of interest just because it's one of those "trend" games that are likely to die within a few months or 1 year, because something else will come out at it will be outshadowed just like many titles before it (DayZ, H1Z1, Overwatch, HoTS, Battlerite, Hearthstone). League is that game you're always going to get back at because there is a connection between the player and the game, for some, this might have been their first moba. Now lets talk a bit about your points. 1. A game of this scale cannot be stagnant in terms of game mechanics, there always have to be changes in order to keep the player interested into playing, adding nothing new would only drive them away to something newer and innovative. I don't say the new rune system is better or more fun, in fact i kinda miss the old ones since they brought more variety and tactics compared to what we have now. 2. It doesn't give you the same feeling, right, that's maybe because it's not the same game. League use to be very simplistic and with less mechanics, your daily routine with every champ was QWER, now there are combinations and strategies (with the sacrifice of having the old runes and masteries gone). About dodging when you felt like your team mates weren't at the same skill level, there is FLEX, you can create a team of people you trust and rank up (or derank). I've never understood why is the FLEX rank less relevant in the eyes of the community. 3. It is a team-based strategy game, if you feel like being a soloist you should try other games like DotA where you can obliterate entire teams by yourself, but then again, what if you encounter someone way better than you in the other team, rampaging and wiping the floor with your other 4 team mates? You would say the game is not balanced, you have feeders and there should be no game where you could 1 vs 4. I sense some kind of hypocricy around. 4. This is the point where i totally agree with you, i loved collecting IPs. When the season ended i had 130K IP, right now i sit with 40k and it's still decreasing. But, yeah, this opinion is biased. 5. You simply cannot use that thread as a justification, there are only 40 votes, out of millions of players. The new launcher is organized, tidy, clean, responsive, innovative and whatnot. People tend to dislike on the moment because changes are hitting some people harder than the others. Still, the thread is completely irrelevant. 6. Their design was too simplistic, champions should do more than QWER, you cannot stagnate with champion design my man, while new champs are coming into the rift, the old ones feel outdated and like they belong to some other game. Also, i doubt the unhappy majority was bigger than the happy one regarding champion reworks. As a conclusion to your last paragraph, please, do not speak in the name of the others, as you don't know even 1% of the community members. You're clearly subjective and speak out of personal frustration. Your prefferences are not OUR prefferences and not MY prefferences. Personally i feel like the game is going into the right direction. If you feel like your ideas are that great, and i'm not even joking, be my guest and make a game design then launch it on Kickstarter, maybe you'll create the new icebreaking MOBA that will outshadow league. Peace.
TheSadOn (EUNE)
: How is it fair me for me to lose LP in a 5v5 match when my team mates goes afk and we end up 4v5? Sometimes I feel like some of the people reading this topic and commenting live in a different parallel universe where League is fair. Why wouldn't RIOT fix something that can be easily fixed? And actually make the game more fair for all. I do not feel the game is not fair. I KNOW it is not fair at current time.
> [{quoted}](name=TheSadOn,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=8BbicQ6O,comment-id=000800000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-19T19:21:35.772+0000) > > How is it fair me for me to lose LP in a 5v5 match when my team mates goes afk and we end up 4v5? > > Sometimes I feel like some of the people reading this topic and commenting live in a different parallel universe where League is fair. > > Why wouldn't RIOT fix something that can be easily fixed? And actually make the game more fair for all. > > I do not feel the game is not fair. I KNOW it is not fair at current time. If you want to make it fair then, in a 4vs5 sittuation, you will lose less LP, but it's also fair for them to win less. How would you feel to play against 2-3 leavers and gain only 5LP ? What kind of ingenious idea will you have then? Because if a team with leavers lose less LP, it's only fair if the winning team is also winning less LP. You just want a system to confort yourself and not think about the larger picture, so please, stop it right here with this nonsense, learn the game and drill this into your brain, the universe does not revolve around you.
Cakeski (EUW)
: Whilst its only a minority of experiences, it does appear to be happening in more games. People will flame when they think they're losing a game, maybe its because they themselves don't see a potential way to flip the game in their team's favour or that they are frustrated at themselves and feel the need to pin the blame on someone else. negative attitude is never the way to win a game, it just decreases morale in the team and thus reducing team performance. Whilst I think badmouthing enemies may need to be elaborated a little more as in saying "wow you suck" to an enemy may be bad sportsmanship, I believe that there are some instances where a little bit of sportsmanship and friendly BM and competition never hurt, I know it may sound cruel, but a little bit of BM and sportsmanlike cheek to the enemy players may cause the game to tilt into your team's corner. For instance, if the enemy blitz misses their hooks, spam the ? Blitz emote. You make a getaway from the enemy, flash an emote or mastery or say "maybe next time ;)" More needs to be done to discern between whats considered negative sportsmanlike conduct towards an enemy player and what isn't.
> [{quoted}](name=Cakeski,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=lQqlJ6w8,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-19T12:30:08.664+0000) > > Whilst its only a minority of experiences, it does appear to be happening in more games. > > People will flame when they think they're losing a game, maybe its because they themselves don't see a potential way to flip the game in their team's favour or that they are frustrated at themselves and feel the need to pin the blame on someone else. negative attitude is never the way to win a game, it just decreases morale in the team and thus reducing team performance. > > Whilst I think badmouthing enemies may need to be elaborated a little more as in saying "wow you suck" to an enemy may be bad sportsmanship, I believe that there are some instances where a little bit of sportsmanship and friendly BM and competition never hurt, I know it may sound cruel, but a little bit of BM and sportsmanlike cheek to the enemy players may cause the game to tilt into your team's corner. For instance, if the enemy blitz misses their hooks, spam the ? Blitz emote. You make a getaway from the enemy, flash an emote or mastery or say "maybe next time ;)" > > More needs to be done to discern between whats considered negative sportsmanlike conduct towards an enemy player and what isn't. I'm not a sensitive person, i literally don't care if someone is flaming me or badmouthing me after an outplay, it's just the fact such behaviour is degrading, and stacked, makes me feel that there is no hope left for a big part of the playerbase. You know, some games have some funny filters replacing a random "f**k you" with "i apologize" haha. Can't even think of a suggestion to diminish chat toxicity, one will always find a way. {{sticker:sg-zephyr}}
Rioter Comments
fimpi1 (EUW)
: Game disconnect
Yeah, the servers are crashing and the game history gets deleted, pretty unconfy, 3rd time happening today
Rioter Comments
TheSadOn (EUNE)
: I am just saying that individual performance is already measured. You would only need to tweak it for the rest of people so it becomes more fair for all.
> [{quoted}](name=TheSadOn,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=8BbicQ6O,comment-id=0008000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-18T06:30:04.837+0000) > > I am just saying that individual performance is already measured. You would only need to tweak it for the rest of people so it becomes more fair for all. It is fair for all, just because you feel it's not fair towards yourself doesn't mean it's not fair :).
TheSadOn (EUNE)
: Your individual performance would be assessed in relation to performing as a team player. By the way, the game already gives individual performance superiority over team play: WHY ARE SMURFS GAINING MORE LP AND JUMP DIVISIONS?
> [{quoted}](name=TheSadOn,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=8BbicQ6O,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2018-04-17T06:27:21.542+0000) > > Your individual performance would be assessed in relation to performing as a team player. > By the way, the game already gives individual performance superiority over team play: WHY ARE SMURFS GAINING MORE LP AND JUMP DIVISIONS? Because their MMR is higher than the current tier/division, it's a system to prevent smurfs from making lives miserable in lower elo :) .
: Riot attitude is bad, they fous on toxic people. But they do not focus on what caused their toxicity. Trollers and feeders should be banned permanently.
> [{quoted}](name=TheWalkingGhouls,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=lx7P9XI0,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-16T08:29:06.379+0000) > > Riot attitude is bad, they fous on toxic people. But they do not focus on what caused their toxicity. Trollers and feeders should be banned permanently. Do you have any data to account the fact "intentional feeders" are not permanently banned?
Mada (EUW)
: *trolls Whenever someone writes trollers, I immediately assume they're trolling. Also I see mostly useless adcs. They don't push for a levelup and if I do, they start chatting or pinging. There should be an opt in that allows you to show that someone is muted so they at least won't waste time chatting anymore.
> [{quoted}](name=Mada,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FQ7tZlZh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-04-16T06:44:46.916+0000) > > *trolls Whenever someone writes trollers, I immediately assume they're trolling. Also I see mostly useless adcs. They don't push for a levelup and if I do, they start chatting or pinging. There should be an opt in that allows you to show that someone is muted so they at least won't waste time chatting anymore. I wish we had such option, but it will end up with him complaining towards others anyway "omfg, he muted me, guys, report him!"
TheSadOn (EUNE)
: [Suggestion for RIOT] New Ranked LP System
There are so many flaws into your suggestion i don't even know where to begin with, but i'll begin anyway. - losing less LP if you have an AFK in your team >>> Can be abused to prevent greater LP loss when you're with a duo. - gaining more LP if you have and AFK in your team >>> Can be higly abused by boosters by leaving the game in the last 5 minutes before they win, therefore giving extra LP to the one who paid for boost. - gaining/losing LP based on individual performance >>> This game will turn into a (i don't give a shit about you) type of mentality game, everyone will just farm STATS in order to preserve their LP gain/loss, the less teamplay we have now would be gone. - "if you have a feeder in your team you can ff and still have positive LP", do you even realize that would be standard thing and there would be no LP lose? Basically everyone will reside in Challenger. Also, please, enlighten me and define the word "feeder", do you think if someone is 0/15/30 deserves to lose LP while others enjoy positive gain? That someone could be YOU playing as some Janna or Lulu support. "At the same time, it might motivate people to start playing better as well because they know that screwing up is no longer an option without consequences." - hilarious, there are far worse consequences from being TOXIC and UNSPORTSMANLIKE, yet people still don't care and get dozens of accounts banned. As a conclusion, none of your "ideas" are viable, maybe they work in your own tiny universe, but i'm sorry to crush your dreams, such system would throw this game and Tencent's business straight into the garbage bin.
Pyrosen (EUW)
: Sounds like you didn't read the post, you just paragraphed what you already said. Read the POST, not the title. Because you'd clearly see I'm not complaining about how good the players are, I'm complaining about the behaviour of them. And it's no different in ranked so please stop repeating that lol
> [{quoted}](name=Pyrosen,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=vb6UIYPa,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-17T02:40:36.394+0000) > > Sounds like you didn't read the post, you just paragraphed what you already said. > Read the POST, not the title. > > Because you'd clearly see I'm not complaining about how good the players are, I'm complaining about the behaviour of them. > And it's no different in ranked lol W/e
: Player reaching out for advice to reform
An advice would be to think about the conequences. Secondly you need to think if it's actually worth to flame anyone, remember, after 20 minutes you'll probably never see him again, but if you choose to flame, he will remember you for a long time when he's going to get the "instant feedback message".
Joroz (EUW)
: Getting penalized just for saying that you will report someone
Threatening someone with report is an offensive action and it's punishable, i'd recommend you to be silent and report after the game ends.
Pyrosen (EUW)
: Yeah just ignore the entire post for the sake of MMR balance, that's alright. Consider reading the post before commenting? You're welcome to edit your comment.
> [{quoted}](name=Pyrosen,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=vb6UIYPa,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-04-17T02:04:24.998+0000) > > Yeah just ignore the entire post for the sake of MMR balance, that's alright. > Consider reading the post before commenting? You're welcome to edit your comment. I've read your post entirely, complaining over normals is always a stupid thing to do because of those stated above. To answer your question "why do i have to play a lost game"? The answer is simple, you don't have to, you can simply leave or choose to IGNORE a NORMAL game, as it is absolutely standard to have people trolling around or just being bad/beginners. There is plenty of fun in a lost game as well if you know to amuse yourself based on the hilarious ways they're dying or the ammount of rage put on a match where you lose absolutely nothing. Want an advice? Stop playing normal games, you'll always be mixed with newbies or trolls, you have less chances to encounter them in ranked, and also by playing normals you're basically decreasing your skill level as you might be matched with lower tiers (which will give you false confidence) or you might be matched with higher tier than your own (which will demoralize you). There are so many aspects of this game you need to consider to keep a healthy mindset.Once you realize that your games will be less tense and way more enjoyable. {{sticker:sg-poppy}}
Pyrosen (EUW)
: Why do I have to play in a lost game?
You're playing NORMAL games, there is NO MMR BALANCE in that game mode, you can end up with 4 unranked players while in the other team you can face 5 CHALLENGERS, stop complaining over no god damn reason, people can play the game even for their first time in life in NORMALS, if you feel like harstuck in platinum and play normal games to vent with the expectations to find confort into winning you're sorely wrong. {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}}
Rioter Comments
just2GD (EUW)
: Rage Quitters
There was a game that used to punish double the points for a rage quit, normally i would totally agree with this suggestion, -44 LP for quitters, there might be people affected by power surges, internet failure or bugsplats, but it's their responsability to secure their computer before they go into a ranked game (like having an UPS backup battery, a mobile data plan in case the provider has issues or an organized and good PC in order not to get errors or bugsplats, lowfps and whatnot). There might be the case where people would abuse it to intentionally derank, but i feel like those cases should be minimal.
: A Second chance
You had so many second chances when you had lower punishments, but it's typical for the average player to "feel sorry" only after they get the ultimate punishment. These actions cannot be reverted and no ammount of money can absolve you from any guilt just the same way having money IRL dosn't save you from jail. If you truly feel like you've reformed, i'd recommend you to create a new account and keep playing, but the majority of players that get permanently banned are rarely reforming. I wish you good luck :) .
: Maybe a Stupid Idea : Verified Matchmaking
Not even facebook is asking you for an ID, besides, it's not the age that matters but the mentality, for instance, i know a kid in my country, he's 14 yo and he's Challenger, and on the other side, i know a lot of 25+ people that can barely get out of bronze. It's all about manners and mentality.
: > [{quoted}](name=Chaocontrol64,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=v4x8AEfW,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-14T23:37:28.739+0000) > > People always seem to think standing up to people through flaming is a good idea. > > I mean you called someone monkey. You realise that it could be considered a racist comment considering recent news reports with top shops, so I won't be surprised anymore if you got banned on that part alone. > > But my point remains, you were toxic back and therefore you deserved to be punished as much as the other players. Yeah i don't get it why they have to respond. What I started doing is: When they flame, blame and other stuff I just say: "You're wrong" and I mute them. That's all you need. Also being permad for this chat means there's more to the whole story, I don't see any blatant racism/hate speech or any instaban words like Kitten yourself. So he was either suspended before or he deleted some of that chat history. On another note, I don't think he called monkey anyone. It was the MF apparently that called him a monkey.
> [{quoted}](name=Love is a virtue,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=v4x8AEfW,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-04-15T00:27:00.533+0000) > > Yeah i don't get it why they have to respond. What I started doing is: When they flame, blame and other stuff I just say: "You're wrong" and I mute them. That's all you need. > > Also being permad for this chat means there's more to the whole story, I don't see any blatant racism/hate speech or any instaban words like Kitten yourself. So he was either suspended before or he deleted some of that chat history. > > On another note, I don't think he called monkey anyone. It was the MF apparently that called him a monkey. I just say "i'm sorry you feel that way" and let them keep on flaming lulz.
: i'm wondering if this is considered tobe punished as trolling
: Look, you clearly broke the rules in that game, you just admitted it! You agreed on following the rules, but you broke that promise, so you get punished. Just because others broke them first, doesn't mean you can do the same. --- This isn't Riot's fault, you had full control over what you were doing, didn't you?
> [{quoted}](name=Torpedosheep,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Oz0fE9BB,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-30T12:55:14.759+0000) > > Look, you clearly broke the rules in that game, you just admitted it! > You agreed on following the rules, but you broke that promise, so you get punished. > > Just because others broke them first, doesn't mean you can do the same. > > --- > This isn't Riot's fault, you had full control over what you were doing, didn't you? He's also breaking the boards rules, well, justice served.
Smerk (EUW)
: Your punishment tier can go down, but it takes a lot of time and games played with good attitude. After 14 days ban it can take even few years. And yes, right now one misstep will get you a permaban
> [{quoted}](name=Smerk,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=dJEGqVQG,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-24T00:25:14.483+0000) > > Your punishment tier can go down, but it takes a lot of time and games played with good attitude. After 14 days ban it can take even few years. And yes, right now one misstep will get you a permaban Source : trustme.jpg?
: Are chat restrictions proven to help toxic players improving their behavior?
As long as you're allowed to create a new account it doesn't do much except for making you feel threatened for a couple of days. But don't get the wrong idea, punishments should be there whether it helps or not into reforming the players.
R 1 P (EUW)
: Riot , you have no choice now!
If Riot would unban the permanently banned accounts.... yes, they might get back a couple of thousand players, but other hunderd of thousand would leave because of such decision. If a player was permanently banned once, then for sure he/she will be permanently banned again whether if it's on an unbanned account or a fresh account. Simple facts and logic. the_end.jpg
Solash (EUW)
: Nightbringer Fiora - Skin Concept/Fan-Art
looks like a mad Xayah with a sword ready to gut Rakan for cheating on her.
Rioter Comments
: All lose lane = lose game?
Solo Q is a place where mindgames are winning the matches, i think staying cool and looking for a solution could turn the game, remember that most of the players do throw when they find themselves with an advantage.
Kasten4 (EUW)
: but if i dont know when I'm doing something wrong when will I find out?
> [{quoted}](name=Kasten4,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=aOr5wQvB,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-03-12T17:48:05.094+0000) > > but if i dont know when I'm doing something wrong when will I find out? You'll find out by watching replays, just imagine you're watching someone else and you're ready to blame him for something. That something is where you did wrong and you have to keep it in mind for the next games.
Kasten4 (EUW)
: So help me gods of riot, send me somebody who can teach me how to climb out this hole named silver 4
A lot of rioters are in bronze/silver elo. Except for practice there is no other way to learn the game and climb. I'd recommend you to watch your replays and see where you did wrong. {{sticker:galio-happy}}
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IvanBrony (EUNE)
: other games were not troll picks but trolly/throwy behavior lucky me i found a guy on these boards that plays well so we won a couple of games and i think im getting back in shape
> [{quoted}](name=IvanBrony,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=tAABLm5t,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-03-08T21:14:49.371+0000) > > other games were not troll picks but trolly/throwy behavior > lucky me i found a guy on these boards that plays well so we won a couple of games and i think im getting back in shape Do you really expect that every game will go according to your plan? Are you some kind of divine power that dictates and decides what is trolly/throwy? It's just the internet gaming buddy, at some point, you too will be matched against someone that will wipe the floor with you, and your team mates will do exactly the very same thing you're doing to them : unfairly blaming and flaming. I don't really understand what's the problem of the majority of the playerbase, isn't it common sense a team has to lose? There can't be 2 teams winning, and YOU flaming and blaming makes the game experience even worse, becase at some point the one you've flamed will flame as well since bad behaviour spreads like a disease... Yes, indeed there are games where people are legitly trolling (going 0/25/0 or just sitting afk and refusing to participate) but those games are really really too rare to be taken into account and say you're having only games with trolls. I will say it again, this community needs DISCIPLINE.
IvanBrony (EUNE)
: I am done
I just checked your match history, your ranked games seem pretty normal, you had 1 game in 20 where there was a Xerath adc and a Pantheon support. You should consider yourself lucky, i don't know what do you whine about!? 1 bad game in 20 and you think the world is unfair with you? Like jeez, wake up to reality. {{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
: Really impressive Since the old art spotlights aren't a thing anymore I was missing some timelapse creation videos on my life. Thanks for bringing those back. PS. Make more pls
> [{quoted}](name=DerMangoJoghurt,realm=EUW,application-id=Mpd1UjGe,discussion-id=hFgEU3JW,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-07T17:19:38.448+0000) > > Really impressive > Since the old art spotlights aren't a thing anymore I was missing some timelapse creation videos on my life. Thanks for bringing those back. > > PS. Make more pls There are plenty on my channel, just not that many official ones since i haven't been working with Riot for too long.
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Indigo47 (EUW)
: Intentional feeder hasn't received a punishment
Edit: checked his account, i don't think he's going to play anymore on that account.
: *paints 6 purple stripes on face* Kai'Sa cosplay pogchamp
> [{quoted}](name=ItsTheHaos,realm=EUW,application-id=Mpd1UjGe,discussion-id=VELOBijs,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-02-28T20:40:35.409+0000) > > *paints 6 purple stripes on face* > Kai'Sa cosplay pogchamp Pretty much my thoughts.
: Nightbringer Shaco by Tristan Lee
Troll OP, i wanted to vote no. The illustration is pretty horrible "hire this dude". If riot was about to hire everyone with that level of knowledge, league would look like one of those 1$ games on steam.
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