Rismosch (EUW)
: Sometimes you just wanna comment but avoid problems by just pretending you are dumb. That's what I did! And guess what: OP didn't answer me :)
Well because i don't think you pretend. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: > [{quoted}](name=The Cream Reaper,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=5WA2Z738,comment-id=000200010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-25T11:48:13.430+0000) > > there's no need to edit since you are the one who doesn't understand > > you skipped so frequently between the game and real life drama depending on what scenario you wish to talk about, that you lost sight of your own point a) there is no "skipping" in my post or what you quoted. b) making an analogy is not the same as making a comparison c) what lessons you can gleam from games (e.g. teamwork) you can indeed apply to real life and vice versa ... pretending that games and life are two totally distinct bubbles that never get to interact, does not make it so, as you will see :p > first of all, the game is not like real life. No, but they have a lot of things in common: a) they are both manned or played by people b) human interaction, emotion and skills are all-important in both of them c) most rules that apply to team games stem from real life analogues d) games are there to prepare/teach you a lot about life skills ... call it training, if you like or if you have demonized the word "game" in your mind as something irrelevant and useless. point A is an obvious fact point B is also obvious point C is something anyone that ever played an actual team game can agree with point D is something that people had known since ancient times **(1)**, but I guess we are too "smart" for ancient knowledge now ... **even animals play games to train their young** and I have yet to see a kitten complain to a cat that mock chasing a mouse never helped it with a real chase ... so you want me to believe that kittens are smart enough to understand the real nature of games, but YOU say that humans are not .?. > comparing league of legends to a day job is both stupid and silly and it makes about as much sense as comparing a history book with Lord of the F***ing Rings :^) There is a fundamental difference between a history book and fantasy book ... a fantasy book is explicitly a work of fiction. Even one of the most ancient fantasy texts written by Lucian of Samostrata and ironically titled "True stories" explicitly declare that they are a work of fiction, so noone ever compares fantasy books with history books, but writters understand the difference between comparisons and analogies, so there ARE many books that are said to contain analogies or hints or jibes against or towards real historical events and "Lord of the F***ing Rings" is one of such books. In any case, there is no reason dwell deeper on such subjects ... to return to my point, that fundamental difference does not exist between a game and real life ... for example, **10 days ago a friend of mine was ACTUALLY FIRED for behaving like one of the "characters" in the "game"** ... I told him that he totally deserved it and that I would have fired him too, but I cannot help but point out that had he learned his lesson that such behaviours are NOT "ok" in a safe environment like a game, he wouldn't have been unemployed now ... **simple, practical stuff ... games are there to offer you practical knowledge and experience, WITHOUT the danger involved in the real life analogues which the game situations reflect ... ** it is not that hard or complex notion ... get out of your "ooooh this is a gaaaaaaaame" bubble and think what the game can REALLY offer you, instead of a time-sink and false sense of competition ... **it will be for YOUR benefit** > secondly, the fact that both teemo and tristana are wrong does not equate to them having the same punishment for different wrong doings. hence the "dismissive irony" Well, as I said, it is the EXACT same thing they are doing : "Disrupting the teamwork by insulting and blaming the other teammates" ... it is the exact same thing, ergo it has the exact same punishment ... Riot agrees with that, employers agree with that, the laws agree with that, simple logic agrees with that ... whose problem is if YOU do not get it .?. yours ... so, I have poured enough of my personal time for a chance for you to get educated on the matter and I hope that I will recieve a reply that will give me a hint that said time was not wasted ... if not, maybe someone else's mental cogs will be greased and helped ... that is the hope and, indeed, the use of writting publically in a forum. **(1)** The legend of creation of the most ancient board game that is still played by humans named Go ( or Baduk or Wei Qi) goes like this in a nutshell : - Great emperor is worried that his son and heir is totally ignorant about real life and strategy - Arch-general of the great emperor invents the game of Go to teach the young son about life, in a pleasant and round-about way - The emperor sees the game and declares that it is perfect and it contains all that his son needs to know about life and strategy and ruling - The son is called to play the game and declares it boring and that it has nothing useful to offer to him - The emperor disinherits the son and makes the general who made the game as heir. fancy that ... **the legend claims that he tried to use a game to teach his son strategy and how to rule** ... preposterous for people like you who see games as a past-time, but a very believable tale for anyone that ever placed a stone on a Go board ...
Imma have to let my mate Cream take a break here and tag team style get onto you. >No, I do not ... if the apparent lack of the ability of all the flamers to reign in their emotions and focus on their task at hand in order to perform better is not obvious, then anything I add to that point is going to be a waste of effort ... As my mate said, Tristana in this video is doing her job, she is playing the game and not letting her emotions get onto her, cause if she did, she would have started whining just like Teemo. Teemo instead of caring about the game more than what Tristana said, he's just sitting there afk invisible and whining. This is what most of you are doing, from a neutral stand point you deal more damage to your teammates by whining and getting all emotional, than what Tristana does, which doesn't really affect any other of her teammates except you as Teemo. So you're the ones causing the team to crumble, not her. >Nowhere in the video is it implied that Tristana is "playing the game" **and performing well at it** ... 3:19, also no one said she's performing well, but she is doing what she's supposed to do, which is to play the bloody game, unlike teemo >So, complaining about someone elses behaviour and nagging is worse in your book, and different, than calling someone a "whiny b**ch" over and over and over again ... so, you think that one player using more epithets to assault the other changes the situation .?. :) As i explained 10000000 times to you ignorant white-knights, flaming someone doesn't have any bloody impact on the game, it won't make your towers fall or your nexus explode, being a "whiny b**ch" and actually minding the chat more than the game will make you lose farm, lose xp, lose towers, die etc. SO IT ACTUALLY IMPACTS THE GAME !!!!!!
Shukr4n (EUW)
: well, in ranked it never happened someone instalock another role. but honestly, EXCEPT the flood of chat teemo is doing, tristana would be beaten in RL by me 24/7 as long as she answer taht way. BUT since teemo chatted a lot, he comes to be the bad guy. riot rules are so silly that sometimes i feel like they are too deep into their game. im talking just about pick phase.
One thing you maybe did not notice is that Trist says adc first
: If you are Braum, you should just dodge. (yeah, it is your promo, but it is better to get an automatic defeat than this) If you are Tristana, you should just get reported. If you are Teemo, you should also just get reported. If you are Ryze, you should just dodge. If you are Nidalee, you should also just get reported. do notice that the people getting reported are doing things that are "not ok" in any setting, gaming or otherwise, so it is easy to learn how not to be like them, so the one thing that I can agree with the video is that it is, indeed, not rocket science ...
>If you are Braum, you should just dodge. (yeah, it is your promo, but it is better to get an automatic defeat than this) That's BS , you never know what kind of trolls the enemy team has as well, so it's kinda dumb to dodge this while at promo, it's kind of dumb to dodge any kind of game at promo.
Rioter Comments
: Im sure you would have no problem with ppl feeding in your games on your side ;)
Why do you assume things about people just to disprove their argument ? Which even if true, won't disprove it ! That's really really stupid
: >And whats with that"enemy team gets more afk" Math... That thing is called math. Unless you're the one going afk 13 times, your team will indeed have less of the "bad stuff"! That's simply due to the law of large numbers... Why doesn't it seem to be this way in your games? Well, because **you're not looking at a large number!** --- If I flio a coin twice, and get tails two times in a row, does that mean it's rigged, and everyone who tells me it's a 50/50 chance is talking BS?
How can you people be so bloody incapable of rational thinking on those forums ? It isn't like if i had 13 people afk`ing in my games in the past couple of days, that number will eventually equal out in the future. Because this is not a 50%/50% chance you irrational living being ! Not to mention that even if it will eventually come as equal which is highly improbable unless you`re gonna play this game for eternity, one afk causing you to lose a promotion to another league is equal as f*cking up a lot more than just 1 game. You people are so ignorant and so eager to debate everything with your little comprehension of how things work that it sometimes makes me lose hope in humanity.
Hydnoras (EUW)
: According to that dictionary yes but not in practice. It might have something to do with how the word "fun" translates to other languages. It's "hauska" in Finnish, and it doesn't translate back to enjoyment but it can translate back to amusement. So the word "fun" actually properly translates only to amusement and not enjoyment. Naturally if something is funny, you enjoy it but you can enjoy somehting that isn't funny.
Yeah, like heroin.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ciumegu,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=PHp30kYW,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-01-23T13:27:04.740+0000) > > You're helping the world so much !! I know. And at least much more than you. :)
Yess show me your mean side that you pretend so much not to have little dandelion
Eveninn (EUW)
: Then where would one practice for ranked? (new picks, new builds.) League actually gives quite a lot of freedom in regards to how you wanna play. So if you wanna play some silly fun normals you can bust out an AP Lucian or my personal favourite: Tank Leo mid. Or just be Hecarim and stack movementspeed. :3
Then make it different but in such way that Ranked will be the same but harder. Like giving champions more movement speed in Normals
Hydnoras (EUW)
: I consider "fun" to be the wrong word. Just because i enjoy it, it doesn't mean it's fun. I'm not laughing or smiling while i play ranked (maybe occasionally if something stupid happens). I enjoy the competitiveness. I do not play it for fun but for the competitiveness.
Thank you for your explanation, a lot of people, especially on this forum do not understand the difference !
Solash (EUW)
: Lemme guess, permabanned for flaming?
Nope, now that i ruined your perfect view of this world by being someone who isn't permabanned for flaming but that still defends flaming, what else ?
Grevius1 (EUW)
: Boohoo someone told me i should kill myself god damn my life must be so bad let me just put a gun to my head cus this guy on the other side of the world told me a mean abbreviation :(((
Explaining stuff to people on this forum is equal to trying to reason with SJW`s. Won't work. Here are their arguments : Rito said so. It is offensive to me. You hurt other people with words. It isn't polite. Wow, good arguments bois.
: How about no. You're not fooling anyone by repeatedly coming back to this forum and finding ways to subtly blame everyone but yourself for the way you obviously acted in-game. The community will not change its outlook on insults just because you keep persistently yelling about it.
Duuuuuuuuuuude, I am not banned, and I won't be, cause I understand how your little safe world works. But I still think your way of thinking is cringy as hell
Grevius1 (EUW)
: Permanently Banned for typing "%%%"
ERMAGHERD U DESERVED U typed 3 letters that offend me. Please father Rito, save me from this abomination. I am really going to kill myself now that some dude on the internet said it. Pls Ritu, protect me !!
Grevius1 (EUW)
: That's really toxic dude im gonna have to perma ban you sorry.
Hahahaha, it's funny how those white-knights are against toxicity but they are assh0les themselves. Maybe even more than the people who flame
Rioter Comments
: > you can't really be polite when you ain't having an exciting game and you can't win because of certain individuals. >You just can't be polite to them. And yet...most people do. Not you, obviously but most people do. >Why be polite to them, do they deserve it? Since when do we all deserve to be treated like we did nothing wrong when we actually did wrong? OK, if someone is intentionally messing up your game then they deserve to be punished. I think that we all agree on that. But flaming them...that ain't gonna make them stop. It might even just provoke them more. If someone is playing badly/having a bad game/ making mistakes then you flaming them is not going to help the situation. You know yourself, once you are tilted, you play worse. The bottom line is that flaming is unnecessary, creates a negative atmosphere and is like to end up with a loss or players going AFK. Flaming is not the solution, it is a part of the problem. I don't understand why you think that playing a game in a sportsmanlike way is such a bad thing. I really don't.
>And yet...most people do. Not you, obviously but most people do. What game are you playing dude ? Just because the whole playerbase isn't getting banned doesn't mean they don't do. They can just ping question marks when you die. They won't get banned, are they polite ? That doesn't mean they are. WTF >Flaming is not the solution, it is a part of the problem. Flaming is only a part of the problem because people care about it and Riot gives them entitlement to do so. If it wouldn't be punishable people would just not care about it or stop it their own way by muting/language filters. The only thing it currently creates is whine and tension.
sirDarts (EUW)
: Well of course you have a flamer in 90% of your games... You are one yourself!
Ad hominem. You're wrong because *inserts something bad about you here even if it ain't necesarrily true*. BAM, I won the argument cause i called him a flamer and that's bad !
: >What random people on the street do, doesn't affect me directly and in a bad way like what people in my team do. Them punching you in the face might affect you. The point that I was making is that you can't have a set of rules for real life and a different set for the internet. Actions have consequences. You clearly did not understand the point I was making. >Imagine someone spilling his coffee on you on the street, you would be oh so polite right ? That has actually happened to me recently. Someone on a busy train spilt his coffee down my arm. I told him not to worry about it; mistakes happen. That is actually what most people would do. Saying to him " you %%%%, you've got coffee all down my arm!" is: 1) Going to make him feel bad- 2) Not going to make that coffee stain disappear 3) Make me look like a complete %%%%.
>Them punching you in the face might affect you. The point that I was making is that you can't have a set of rules for real life and a different set for the internet. Well exactly, so them punching me in the face would recoil in me punching them back. Just like if someone f*cks up my game and i call them %%%%%%ed. It's almost the same set of rules as in real life. It's just that what I do in the game is way easier on them than what they do to me, i just type something to them while they make me lose time and LP.
Rioter Comments
Shukr4n (EUW)
: no they implemented this because players are here to have fun playing, not to have a chat with some uneducated kid who think that he s cool offending others. so, as i stated before in my post, your offending others comes before others dealing with it. if u stop offending, players wont have to deal with it. but if they stop dealing with it, u will keep on offending. since education nowaday seems underrated and itnernet is giving power to weaklings, punishing them to remind them education is way better thatn having to deal with it. if u could stop trying to find fallacies in a system that works for the better and not for the strongest, maybe u could understand. but u may be now the ones who is 100% wrong but still argue.
>they implemented this because players are here to have fun playing, not to have a chat with some uneducated kid who think that he s cool offending others. If you ain't having fun just because someone types something you consider bad in the chat, why are you still playing this game though ? Because tbh 90% of the games will have someone doing that, and if that ruins your fun why do you still bother playing? Honestly, go on some social bronie club or get into a furry association where you're all paying a lot of attention on not offending each other and pretend you're living in a perfect world
: An insult does not stop being an insult just because it comes from someone you don't know. That makes no sense does it?
An insult does not have any power. It is basically just some letters ordered in a certain way. And if you're offended by that, it is your own choice. Check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHywzQon6tc
: There is no reason why you can't try to win, have an exciting game AND be polite to each other.
Well that's the silver lining, you can't really be polite when you ain't having an exciting game and you can't win because of certain individuals. You just can't be polite to them. They're making you waste time and lose LP. Why be polite to them, do they deserve it? Since when do we all deserve to be treated like we did nothing wrong when we actually did wrong?
: >But I still see [blaming others] as something normal, it is normal for people to get frustrated when you do something bad that affects them as well. I disagree, and I know many many other players who would disagree too. >Being offended on the internet is for weak people. Nope, being offensive on the internet is for weak people. If you want to be offensive, go out into the streets and start being offensive to the random people you meet. Of course, you won't do that because there might be repercussions for you. So, why do you think that it is different on the internet? Because It isn't. You sound like most of the keyboard warriors that are on here every day trying to act tough from behind their PC's. Don't say anything to anyone on the internet that you wouldn't say to their face irl.
There so much flaw in your logic and arguments that it actually makes me wanna just stop replying to you. >If you want to be offensive, go out into the streets and start being offensive to the random people you meet. What random people on the street do, doesn't affect me directly and in a bad way like what people in my team do. That's like the most idiotic argument ever. And if someone actually does something that affects me directly don't think i`m gonna be polite to them, and you won't either. Imagine someone spilling his coffee on you on the street, you would be oh so polite right ? Now that's somewhat equal to what happens in game.
: Why do you care so much about other people and making this plea? There should be a balance between wanting to win the game and having fun. If you can't strike the balance between the two then you'll always disappoint yourself. Just...don't be as serious? It's just a free game? It's upto Riot how they want to run their game and if you don't like it there's tonnes of other games out there? Just...maybe?
What if I want to climb the ladder and play with and against better players and have balanced competitive games instead? I am not allowed? I must drown on the ladder only because certain people "wanna have fun" and they care too much about the chat box ?
Shukr4n (EUW)
: fact is we are not discussing about some universal human rights that a country or war or RL stuff is doing against some human being. it is a game, developed by a private company, which decided to put in action a rule, about "dont be jerk against other in first istance" u can decide or less to play game hence follow those rules. in any case, your life won't be affected. so in first istance, how others deal with your being jerk is not your business at all. because in the "behaviour Queue" being jerk comes before dealing with it. so it is processed before...well, compliecated explanation in bad english but i hope u get the sense of all. u are considering the ones that use the authority as weak. it is funny because parents and education usually teach that being jherk against other is a sign of weakness. funny
>it is a game, developed by a private company, which decided to put in action a rule, about "dont be jerk against other in first istance" Yep, and they implemented that only because people are oversensitive as hell and that is my problem.
: >It is entirely possible that the opinion of a person or institution of authority is wrong; Of course, and if enough people believe that to be the case then they will rise up to oppose it. However, the majority of people who come to play this game do so for entertainment and do not have to resort to petty flaming. You have to accept that you are expressing a minority view. And, whilst I accept your right to express your opinion, I think that you need to realise that you are not going to gain any traction with this view. Riot maybe a private company but their actions towards people who create a toxic environment are because they are acting on the will of the community, who report that bad behaviour to them.
Entertainment is about winning or having an exciting game at least, not about having a nice tea party with your 4 teammates while being polite to each other
: >There shouldn't be an "oh but he offended me". Who, who the f offended u ? You're anonymous, no one knows who you actually are and the person who talked to you in the chat is anonymous as well, what are you offended by, why do you care so much ? Why hide behind anonymity? The same rules apply whether you know the person who offended you or not.
When you know that person and he knows you, that's a direct attack to your person, and you may feel threatened. Those rules to not apply in anonimity
: >You people also justify "but those are the rules" like it can't change. They won't be changed because most people here agree with them.
Most people here, which are the forums, which is like what ? 0.000001 of the players?
: > [{quoted}](name=Ciumegu,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=PHp30kYW,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-01-23T13:12:18.101+0000) > > Dude, they affect the outcome of the game by messing up, they do make the game harder for their teammates. Flaming decreases your chance of winning. So, your response to them messing up and lowering your chance to win is to decrease this chance even further. > That's **FACTS**, do you know what facts are ? Things that actually happen and you have evidence of them !!! First: A lot of the time people flame, it is because they think that someone did something wrong, even though they didn't. That means, quite often it is not a "fact", just your own opinion. And **no one cares** about that ingame, keep it to yourself. 2nd: There's absolutly no positive effect in constantly crying out your opinion. As said, it decreases your cahnce of winning. It has no purpose. Throw your tantrum somewhere else. > > The oversensitive people are the ones that exaggerate everything, like caring too much about something written in a chat somewhere in the bottom corner of an online game where all players are basically anonymous. That's amazingly oversensitive. IF you want to see it that way... Keep crying, stay banned. You people are like a door that screeches everytime you open it. It's just bloody annying to deal with it, so you fix it. That doesn't mean you are "oversensitive". You just have behaviour problems thats all. > > Yeah, some people mess up every single game and others will blame and call them out every single game, and that doesn't change only because the rules that Riot implemented. Your opinion again... Ofc things change. Most people punished once decrease their crying enough never to get punished again. It will never completly disappear, but you wont have several crybabys every game. > > So you should be the ones dealing with it and accept it as something normal because it doesn't actually do any harm to you, It does, others loose concentration and focus on the past, instead of the present. It activly lowers your chance of winning, wether or not you participate (unless Riot releases fake numbers in their loading screen hints..) > only an imaginary one that you cannot bring any evidence about. Wrong, reason above. Seriously, just leave, you gonna get kicked out eventually anyway, if you haven't been already...
>Flaming decreases your chance of winning. It only does if you care, so you're basically decreasing your chances of winning by caring about what someone says. And that's still little to no evidence on how it affects you if you care, you may get sightly discouraged, or mad, or angry, no one actually knows, it's just something we presume. Let's for a second assume that i'm not the one that flames, but i'm in your team, and you start caring about what the guy says and you start playing bad, i'm actually more pissed at you for playing bad than at the guy that typed random stuff in the chat, unless he plays bad too in which case he'll get reported, even though the report will be for flaming, i do not care about that, i care about him playing like crap. So he'll get punished for playing bad while the report option will be "flaming". I think many people use it like this. >That means, quite often it is not a "fact", just your own opinion. And my opinion should not normally have any effect on yourself, plus is should have the right to an opinion. >There's absolutly no positive effect in constantly crying out your opinion. As said, it decreases your cahnce of winning. It has no purpose. - Taric get a Sightstone please (he doesn't) - Dude we need vision, they have Blitzcrank and Talon, without vision we'll get surprised by them (he still doesn't) - Taric WHAT THE F*CK ARE YOU DOING U USELESS PIECE OF ...... GET A SIGHTSTONE (in this moment, even though he ignored me till this, the fact that I'm calling him out, he will eventually react, and will receive a negative input, and believe me, even if he won't buy the sightstone in this game, he will think about it next game) This actually happened to me too, i used to build bad items on certain champions, everyone was getting on me and i eventually started thinking if what I am doing is actually wrong, and it was, and it changed me. >It's just bloody annying to deal with it, so you fix it. It is only annoying because you want it to be so, so you can whine. Cause you have many options to stop it and then you can also chose to not care about it, but you'd do so you wont be able to whine and whine and whine and cry for reports and punishments.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ciumegu,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=PHp30kYW,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-01-22T17:30:25.078+0000) > > you will never get the perfect community No, but I shall at least try even if I'm alone in it :)
Aren't you a little brave white knight ? You're helping the world so much !!
Shukr4n (EUW)
: ahah round 2, right? riot is a private company, riot decide rules of the game. i agree, real life is not riot rules and u will be smashed by rl rules if u trust these ones. still private company. i am pretty sure that if it comes to a moment in which u know u are 100% wrong/bad/faulty/etc and someone point out at you your mistakes, u will argue. the "law of nature" as u claim, states also to grow up as a person yourself. not only others. accept the rules of the private company. accept the rules of parents. accept rules of RL and evolve. thinking you are right and others are wrong is for weak people.
Appeal to authority is what you actually do here, and it is a logical fallacy. Oh, well that's the rules! BAM I WIN THE ARGUMENT ON THE INTERNET "It is entirely possible that the opinion of a person or institution of authority is wrong; therefore the authority that such a person or institution holds does not have any intrinsic bearing upon whether their claims are true or not."
: Players mostly blame others for their own mistakes. Mostly the jungler. I can accept it tho when I really made mistakes, but I'll ignore it and I won't let myself feel like sht just because of that. For example yesterday in one of my games. Botlane couldn't play safe until I was on their side, Toplane just pushed and pushed even when everyone was missing and they all blamed me - the jungler, even tho I helped them out early. I know what I'm doing and I know when I made mistakes, but in this scenario I couldn't do anything when the enemy team is fed... It's most likely that because they can't accept their own mistake and are selfish enough to think "it's not my fault, I'm good but everyone else is bad". That's the kind of attitude that will affect the game on a negative way. Just think about it what **YOU** could do better **before YOU** blame someone else, as long as their mistakes weren't intentionally. I'm not saying that everyone is like that, they could have a bad day and stuff, but it's still unnecessary to blame anyone for their own mistakes.
BUT WHY DO YOU CARE IF SOMEONE BLAMES YOU WHEN YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG ? I don't get it how someone can go into a LoL game, have in mind that they will obliterate the enemy team and win the game, and then they switch their attention to what someone says in that bloody chat box. I really do not. Why do you care so much ? Get your facts straight, people do not come into this game to socialize, people play to win, and they have fun by doing so, anyone who says having fun doesn't necessarily mean winning are either referring to close games that are exciting but you eventually lose, either do not know what the f they are talking about. You can't, ever go into a game and have 4 teammates that only wanna have fun and not care about winning the game but also be polite the way you white knights think this game is supposed to work. People wanna win, and if they wanna win they get frustrated when something bad happens, but they you get butthurt and start crying for bans
nesfir (EUW)
: yeah this oversensitivity is bullshit, this crying over anything said in chat, i can't even bother using it anymore. and yeah it wont change this"reform" it's crap, they just dont want this game rating to rise because online interactions that's all. all this facade of rito beying to taly intolerant.bullshit. seams these people havn't been on internet. and i dont mean some recipe site, or amazon,tumbrl,facebook,instagram etc...
As I said before, the report for flame option is either used to report someone for being stupid (a.k.a. he plays bad and also talks sh*t) or to get revenge on someone that actually called you out for your own mistakes. There shouldn't be an "oh but he offended me". Who, who the f offended u ? You're anonymous, no one knows who you actually are and the person who talked to you in the chat is anonymous as well, what are you offended by, why do you care so much ? That's oversensitive, they focus on things that don't actually matter instead of trying to win the game. I think most of the players on this forum are kind of outcasts that have little to no contact to the outside world when i see them speaking the way they speak.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ciumegu,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=PHp30kYW,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-01-22T17:30:25.078+0000) > > Accept that sometimes you fail and that people react to your actions because they affect them. > Being offended on the internet is for weak people. Or maybe, you accept that people fail sometimes, and don't throw a tantrum pretty much every time? That is what i would call "weak". Seriously, the people whining about their teammates when they f up are the oversensitive, easily offended people here, the people that get so pissed they have to cry their hearts out about it nearly every single time. LoL is a PVP game, with 5 players against 5 players. Some people will mess up **every single game.** Deal with it or play singleplayer games!
>Seriously, the people whining about their teammates when they f up are the oversensitive Dude, they affect the outcome of the game by messing up, they do make the game harder for their teammates. That's **FACTS**, do you know what facts are ? Things that actually happen and you have evidence of them !!! The oversensitive people are the ones that exaggerate everything, like caring too much about something written in a chat somewhere in the bottom corner of an online game where all players are basically anonymous. That's amazingly oversensitive. Yeah, some people mess up every single game and others will blame and call them out every single game, and that doesn't change only because the rules that Riot implemented. So you should be the ones dealing with it and accept it as something normal because it doesn't actually do any harm to you, only an imaginary one that you cannot bring any evidence about.
: Let me guess. You got banned, and it is all because of the evil Riot Games and the soft community right? Making up nonsense about why you got banned or how the system works isn't really going to do anything. You are just throwing another tantrum, like those in your games, because you are unable to deal with Leagues standarts. Cry somewhere else.
I love how you people just say, oh you got banned, like everything i would say is invalid because I got banned in your imaginary world. No, i didn't get banned, not permanently at least. I do abide by the rules now, but i still think the rules are stupid. You people also justify "but those are the rules" like it can't change. Basically those are your only points, an ad hominem that I'm somewhat a banned player, and the fact that those are simply the rules and can't be changed.
: League community in a nutshell. Especially "Player behavior" section of the boards. Prepare for all the downvotes LUL
Rioter Comments
: So, basically, you want people to stop reporting bad attitude and flame because there is a reason to why people flame in the first place? First of all, do you even know how much flame is directed at innocent individuals, junglers etc.. I can't remember the last time someone offended me because of a misplay or because they thought that i had a wrong call. All the toxic behaviors, in my experience, had usually come from the players who just like to flame, players that direct insults to other people because they died fighting 1v3 etc.. It's not like the flame only occurs when a player makes a mistake, flame is a very big spectrum in this game, and in the majority of cases, players offend other players not because of their misplay or whatever but because they are trying to cover up their mistakes by blaming others, example : *adc dies fighting intentionally 1v3* *says : omg n00b jungler* . That;s not, in any way, justified toxic behavior. Not to mention, even i who had made mistakes in the past made them because of something that i thought would be a good idea, everyone in this game has their playstyle and decision - making process that they can unravel at any time. Judging my the severity of an insult or negative behavior, usually the flame is pretty bad, pretty severe and it definitely has no place in this game. If you are complaining about players not having an active right to flame whoever they want to, well, they can, but only a few times which should be enough for normal, reasonable players since i just can't see any dose of normality in a person flaming every single game, then that person either has some mental issues or some behavioral problems. You are basically saying that a word "k*s" is "less dangerous" than flaming your teammates because of what you think of their calls, decisions or play style throughout the game. How is this logical to you? A person in a critical mental condition could potentially take their own life because of some teenager that decided to start a flame war over a simplistic game he / she decided to play DESPITE previously having read the ToS and rules in this game. So you are basically asking Riot, moral support and public acclaim for your toxic behavior over a game you decide to play? You have the right to have an opinion on what's "Wrong" or "Right", everyone has one, but to go as far as to be stubborn and only thinking that YOU are right in this whole fiesta is a bit ignorant. I don't get personally offended by other players flaming at me. First of all, they do it most of the time for no reason at all, so it really has nothing to do with my "mistakes" in the game most of the time, so i just let it happen. But i DO report them. Because even though it didn't necessarily affect me, it's not a nice behavior and it doesn't represent anything good about people, only heir frustration, which, by the way, IS classified as NEGATIVE and TOXIC. Flame can affect people negatively as well, which only proves my earlier point that we are humans, not robots and we cannot control on how we feel when injustice happens, we just let our defensive mechanisms play out. Frustration also goes with this game, everyone has a bit of frustration, but to go as far as to have your accounts permanently suspended, chat restricted etc.. is morbid to say at least. If you truly, from the bottom of your heart think that flaming should be "allowed" and that flaming is "OK", i suggest you first read the side effects of your decision to flame other players. Not everyone is like me, the majority of people DO get offended when you write them incredibly insulting stuff, and this doesn't have to do only with politeness but also of one's morals, culture etc.. We are living in a civilized age. We know that people behind their computer screens are REAL and are living their lives just like any of us are currently. But what you don;t understand, is that not everyone will NOT get offended by flame. I learned how to cope with it, but as i had been in the same, exact spot where other people were, getting incredibly offended over very insulting slurs or what not, i just quickly rewind the time when i was the one getting offended and i empathize with them and report the players who flame. In my culture, in my politeness and morals, i was taught good and raised in a civilized manner. I don't flame even when i get frustrated because i know that somebody could get offended by it and insulted, especially if you are flaming someone because of their mistake(s). That's called being a considerate person, someone who is aware of the consequences of one's actions, which i hope you get to that point someday as well. If anything which i've already wrote didn't give you any sorts of hints to why flaming ISN'T okay, i suggest you just change the game and play something else, or, continue playing and complaining (although this will only bring a toxic environment around you and attract negativeness as it already has).
>Flame can affect people negatively as well, which only proves my earlier point that we are humans, not robots and we cannot control on how we feel when injustice happens, we just let our defensive mechanisms play out. That can be said by flaming as well, it is a defensive mechanism when injujstice happens, you react to something unfair, because you actually are helpless against trolls and it is the only thing you can do. And I don't know why people actually presume that most of the flaming happens out of nothing towards people who did nothing wrong. People either presume you did something wrong when you didn't and in which case what they say should not logically bother you unless you have some insecurity issues and you care what some random anonymous dude on the internet typed on his keyboard, or they get on you for doing something wrong when you actually did in which case you should just assume it and grow some balls. **There is too much accent on that chat box** If it wouldn't actually exist, people would not be so butthurt, the game is beautiful, the chat box ruins it most of the time, too many egotistical players fight over things that do not actually matter just because some random words appear in that box and they get triggered. Being triggered by that is actually a flaw in you. It is not in any way reasonable or logical to care about that. You chose to care about it.
Naniup (EUW)
: Why league is full of trolls/tilted person ????
It's because the rules are created in such a way that you can troll your butt off and no one will ban you, but if someone says anything about you trolling, you can report them and they'll get punished. It is quite ironic. And funny enough, people actually care more about what someone types in the chat than what he does in game. It is like the point of this is having a nice conversation in chat not winning the game. Then they'll say, b-b-b-but sensei, we play for fun. **HOW THE HELL ARE YOU HAVING FUN WHEN YOU'RE GETTING OBLITERATED BY THE ENEMY TEAM WHILE YOUR TEAMMATES PLAY LIKE POTATOES ?** What is your definition of fun ? Farming minions all game ? Running away from enemies ? Is that what's fun for you ?
: "Wasting time" in games and giving up
The toxicity in this game is caused by exactly what people don't wanna hear. It is the high sensitivity that players have and the entitlement they get from being able to report people for calling them out. Let's say you're the usual cocky asshat that gets autofilled and just trolls cause no one wants to swap with their support role. The fact that you're gonna play riven as a support and fail miserably and cause your team to lose won't get you banned, but you're entitled to report people that say anything to you while you do that and most of the time those people will get punished. Don't you see anything wrong in this ? The toxicity of this game is you being able to be an assh0le to others and still get to have them punished if they say anything to you. People say that oh but flaming isn't polite but flaming affects blah blah. No ! Flaming being punishable is one of the main reasons this game is toxic. Just theoretically think of this option : Remove flaming from being a bannable offense but introduce a kick vote system that puts a bot in the place of the kicked person. Now players are given two options, either deal with the flamer/mute him or choose to kick him making the game harder. I believe it is quite hypocritical to want a player banned but still want him in your game to help you win it.
: Do you also preach on behalf of players who flamed you for going 3:10 in a Ranked game as Signed or is this just one - sided?
oh you mean my friend, cuz this is basically his acc. Well yea, we all have bad games from time to time, and you should acknowledge what you did wrong and not be butthurt if people get pissed at you, because you're making them lose and it's normal for them to be frustrated.
Rioter Comments
: Toxics every game
The community is toxic because you can basically report anyone for anything. Stupid people will come into your game and do stupid stuff then report you for telling them that they are stupid. And you'll get frustrated because eventually you will get punished. So you get annoyed because you get punished for telling the truth. Which is the basic rule of toxicity, you get punished for small things while people constantly f*ck up your games on purpose.
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Shukr4n (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ciumegu,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=UsA4o15s,comment-id=00030001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-22T01:21:59.293+0000) > > The fact that i`m still playing this game since season 1 is absolute proof that i can. > > I still think is flawed logic to be punished for that tho, and there is not any logical explanation for that unless it's oh "those are the rules" or "i want it like this" all depend about your age. moreover u already lost 1 account afaik. so, well, freedom to act that way has a price.
I actually didn't. This acc is of a friend that got perma banned, mine is still up.
Shukr4n (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ciumegu,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=UsA4o15s,comment-id=000300010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-22T01:04:15.268+0000) > > But if you care about winning the game why do you focus on what someone says? > > And if you care about having fun why do you focus on what someone says? > > I don't do it anymore, but I still think it is dumb, even if it is a rule the reasoning behind it is kind of flawed. > > It is basically banning people for something that other players can prevent, not to mention that the offense is not affecting anyone directly only if the person chooses to focus on it. > > If i could prevent feeding/afk/leaving/someone intentionally disrupting my game the same way i can prevent someone flaming me I would gladly will and be happy. > > I don't understand what makes those people unhappy. dude, you are being too much stubborn right now. like obtuse. i care about winning and a teammate that flame is not making me win. i care about having funa nd someone who flame me is not making me have fun. if u were banned u should be the first to understand this and to give an answer to your questions. there is the rule of behaviour. there is politeness moreover to people u dont know . basic education. the report is to ban people that obviously cannot prevent to do it by themselves, how others menage their bad behaviour is not flamer 'sbusiness. i had a discussion about this a couple of hours ago with some green named guy. everyone here agree abvout it. and threads about it raise day by day. maybe sooner or later riot will put more harsh punishements and system to see those griefing. BUT that is not flamer's business. the question is and always will be "why cant u stop yourself from flaming knowing it is reportable and against rules or riot?" fullstop. rest is clueless, rest is a way for you to find a "philosophycall flaw" into a basic and clear rule .
>"why cant u stop yourself from flaming knowing it is reportable and against rules or riot?" The fact that i`m still playing this game since season 1 is absolute proof that i can. I still think is flawed logic to be punished for that tho, and there is not any logical explanation for that unless it's oh "those are the rules" or "i want it like this"
: I get it too. Little black bars scrolling across the screen. The Silver minion hp on Yorick ghouls gets stuck on screen for longer than it should etc. Only happens in LoL
Getting the small one scrolling on the bottom of the screen as well sometimes, i only see it when i`m playing on bot tho.
Smerk (EUW)
: No, why should you be free to break rules just because it doesn't affect me? Rules exist for a reason, if you can't follow them then gtfo
So if it wouldn't be punishable would you still care about it ?
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