Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
If somebody ruined your day or the game by telling you to "fof" in game, then that is indeed and 100% your own personal problem. If they're spamming you with that, then just mute them. What else could you possibly want? If you want people to get punished for telling you to "fof" then you're, sadly, nothing but a sadist. :( Remember, you play the game, to actually play the game. Remove your microscope from the chat once in your life and just play the darn game. Feels exactly like that when you talk about stuff like this, that you play the game to find some violations of the SC or the ToU and report people afterwards.
: Also, what you linked me isn't an official League of legends website. Therefore, this doesn't count whatsoever.
Also, I do not see those words being listed anywhere. Why isn't there just a simple post saying that the following words if typed in the chat will trigger the IFS. Who in the world has the time to read everything from that library regarding a game? "And remember, while nobody likes being insulted, it pays to take a moment to consider the circumstances. Remember that this is a competitive game, and, more often than not, the other player is just venting their frustration. Try not to take it personally. Everyone has a breaking point and everyone rages sometimes. At some point you may find yourself in the other person's shoes." -That's from the paragraph 7, "Be Resolute, not Indignant" from the Summoner's Code.- "The other player is just venting their frustration, try not to take it personally." There you go, for all those "%%%" that you believe that they actually wish death to people.
: Wrong. Why? Because of the fact that saying "%%%" when, for example, quoting someone, also triggers that same system. Not fair at all. Warnings would make you learn what words you shouldn't be using at all in any context. Summoner's Code does not name words that are prohibited. Maybe you should read it.
Also, what you linked me isn't an official League of legends website. Therefore, this doesn't count whatsoever.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Wrong. Why? Because of the fact that saying "%%%" when, for example, quoting someone, also triggers that same system. Not fair at all. Warnings would make you learn what words you shouldn't be using at all in any context. Summoner's Code does not name words that are prohibited. Maybe you should read it.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Source? Also, why are there no warnings when you use that specific word? Just because some people missed that post, RIOT shouldn't be like, oh too bad, should've read the news page on our website.
πET (EUW)
: This case might be the best example I've seen yet that beautifully displays the problems I have with the current automated punishment system. OP is driven to frustration by behavior not being effectively combated by the current systems. OP doesn't know saying three certain letters gets him instantly punished without warning. OP says three certain letters. OP gets punished. OP doesn't seem to have actually meant the meaning behind those three letters. OP seems smart enough not to have used those three letters if he would have gotten a warning.
Indeed, if only you've gotten a warning saying that "the word xy that you used in your last game is considered extremely toxic and therefore any more usage of that word may result in a punishment of some kind". Or, when Riot implemented those "trigger" words into the game, they could've made the post naming all those trigger words. Wow, funny nobody thought of that. 99% of these permanently suspended people making posts here wouldn't be here now.
JenShen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Don Corleone,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WsOPwQiI,comment-id=0003000000000001,timestamp=2018-04-23T20:29:46.298+0000) > > If you carried your team to victory, team that consists of players who actually care about winning and not the likes of you who don't, they WILL NOT care if you said something rude along the way. Too bad, most of the time people will just reprot you no matter what, if you even say something in the chat they didnt agree, they are 0-10 adc you told them they are horrible, bam reprot no matter what, becasue you simply cannot tell 0 dmg, 0 position, 0 use of adc, useles, and they carry that pain no matter the outcome of the game. ( true story btw)
I am never telling anyone that they're bad. The only time I used chat for arguments of any kind is when somebody called me bad(boosted etc.) or thought that I am doing something bad when I wasn't. I mean, people get caught in the middle of nowhere and then they ping you with the "?" because you're the closest one to them. That's much worse than calling that guy an idiot. Firstly, because they got caught, meaning they weren't careful enough, in most cases,(which I don't mind) and secondly, because they want to put the blame on others (you), (that I mind(ed)). I have no problem being criticized if I am playing bad, but everyone just love criticizing, mostly without even stopping and thinking for just a second.
archerno1 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Don Corleone,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WsOPwQiI,comment-id=0003000000000001,timestamp=2018-04-23T20:29:46.298+0000) > > Yeah, for casuals like you who BARELY play the game. > Should we make the game as you want it? For casuals who play 1 game a week or something like that? > What do you want buffed/nerfed next? > > I am not suggesting automatic system whatsoever. Clearly because of stuff like that. > The worst thing you can do is, seeing that your team is doing it's best to win, not try as hard or just give up. > If you carried your team to victory, team that consists of players who actually care about winning and not the likes of you who don't, they WILL NOT care if you said something rude along the way. Your last game was 7 months ago. {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
Yep, Don Corleone is, sadly, permanently suspended. Until things change in the near future. Doesn't mean I am not playing. Nice emoji though XD! Also, I surely played more than 10 times more games than you. :(
archerno1 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Don Corleone,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WsOPwQiI,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-04-23T16:32:44.290+0000) > > Imagine this: > It's a close game, everyone's trying their best, some more than the others, your Jhin, who played on the bot lane, saw that you took another kill in the team fight. He loses it, he starts blindly walking top lane, farming wave, never ending pushing, he keeps on dying, five minutes later, you lose the game. > RIOT and it's system as it is now, will NEVER punish that player for anything, even though, he intentionally lost the game for his team. > But imagine this, telling that guy "%%%" because you're super mad, not actually wanting him to die, will get you banned. > Now tell me, what is the purpose of the game? Is it not saying anything in the chat, or is it destroying the enemy nexus? Sure, there are the rules, "you mustn't be rude to anyone" and such, but seriously, understand it already, game is extremely competitive to some players, there's the mute button if you get spam flamed, what else do you want? To erase people's memory of reading one "%%%" ? Whats the point of game? To have fun. Tell me, how do you suggest automatic system to know what jhin did and punish him?
If the point of the game is to have fun, then you just broke the game, its over. Good job. Actually, you broke the vast majority of multiplayer games. Congratulations.
archerno1 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Don Corleone,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WsOPwQiI,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-04-23T16:32:44.290+0000) > > Imagine this: > It's a close game, everyone's trying their best, some more than the others, your Jhin, who played on the bot lane, saw that you took another kill in the team fight. He loses it, he starts blindly walking top lane, farming wave, never ending pushing, he keeps on dying, five minutes later, you lose the game. > RIOT and it's system as it is now, will NEVER punish that player for anything, even though, he intentionally lost the game for his team. > But imagine this, telling that guy "%%%" because you're super mad, not actually wanting him to die, will get you banned. > Now tell me, what is the purpose of the game? Is it not saying anything in the chat, or is it destroying the enemy nexus? Sure, there are the rules, "you mustn't be rude to anyone" and such, but seriously, understand it already, game is extremely competitive to some players, there's the mute button if you get spam flamed, what else do you want? To erase people's memory of reading one "%%%" ? Whats the point of game? To have fun. Tell me, how do you suggest automatic system to know what jhin did and punish him?
Yeah, for casuals like you who BARELY play the game. Should we make the game as you want it? For casuals who play 1 game a week or something like that? What do you want buffed/nerfed next? I am not suggesting automatic system whatsoever. Clearly because of stuff like that. The worst thing you can do is, seeing that your team is doing it's best to win, not try as hard or just give up. If you carried your team to victory, team that consists of players who actually care about winning and not the likes of you who don't, they WILL NOT care if you said something rude along the way.
: Calling someone a %%%got is not an insult to the homosexual community, but it's an insult towards that particular someone. So how is that not grounds for punishment?
Everyone who thinks that calling somebody a %%%got, once, is deserved for a punishment of any kind, but maybe a verbal warning, has no sense of humanity at all. If you people were put in charge of humanity, you would devour it whole and then, alas, devour yourself. Over and over.
L1on (EUNE)
: Perma banned for defending myself against a toxic player.
Don't worry, something will change, for sure, regarding permanently suspended accounts. Cases like this are absurd. Just gotta wait for the right people to get in charge of things.
XOR1 (EUW)
: 1 st Time Offense 14 Day Ban?
"Doesn't take a chef to tell that the food is bad", I completely agree, but some people really need to get off of forums and actually play the game before they can comment and judge people. Yeah, yeah, freedom of speech and all that, down vote me while you can. Somebody over the internet might said that you have no right to speak anymore and you will lose the opportunity. Oh wait, you don't lose that right then. Therefore, their words mean nothing. Wow, what a surprise to a bunch of you judging this guy.
: Suggestion to remove swear words from chat completely
I think that the vast majority of the games are unplayable if you don't /mute all and mute your team's pings as well. My suggestion is to also disable the all chat. Game's more enjoyable that way. There shouldn't be a chat at all in my opinion. Nobody ever types anything useful there anyways. With all the smart pings, you don't need the chat whatsoever. Sure, if you get 4 normal people in there who actually try to win and will listen to each other's opinions about how to win, then chat is helpful, but everyone playing the game know that it happens every 100th game.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Imagine this: It's a close game, everyone's trying their best, some more than the others, your Jhin, who played on the bot lane, saw that you took another kill in the team fight. He loses it, he starts blindly walking top lane, farming wave, never ending pushing, he keeps on dying, five minutes later, you lose the game. RIOT and it's system as it is now, will NEVER punish that player for anything, even though, he intentionally lost the game for his team. But imagine this, telling that guy "%%%" because you're super mad, not actually wanting him to die, will get you banned. Now tell me, what is the purpose of the game? Is it not saying anything in the chat, or is it destroying the enemy nexus? Sure, there are the rules, "you mustn't be rude to anyone" and such, but seriously, understand it already, game is extremely competitive to some players, there's the mute button if you get spam flamed, what else do you want? To erase people's memory of reading one "%%%" ?
: Because it's a different server? Hmm, it's pretty obvious. Guess _somebody_ wasn't smart enough to catch that one. You give wrong people too much power and the world collapses. Game will collapse because of the wrong people, whom you share your opinion with, being in charge of it's management. Sucks that we can't meet irl right now and probably never will, seeing some of your responses makes me wonder if you're even a human.
Much love if you indeed are, a human, I pray for your soul.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Because it's a different server? Hmm, it's pretty obvious. Guess _somebody_ wasn't smart enough to catch that one. You give wrong people too much power and the world collapses. Game will collapse because of the wrong people, whom you share your opinion with, being in charge of it's management. Sucks that we can't meet irl right now and probably never will, seeing some of your responses makes me wonder if you're even a human.
Semaka (EUW)
: I made a mistake in the postgamelobby and told him to "%%%" for ruining other peoples experience. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
Do you honestly think that he literally wanted death to some random person ? He was just mad because of that person intentionally trolling while he was trying his best to win, the act of him getting mad is absolutely justified. No, he shouldn't have wrote that, but NOBODY CARES. All you saying how "you ruin player's experience of the game" and such nonsense, I bet none of you ever asked any of those players, do they care. 1% does. Keep sticking to those 1%, which you are a part of. Like, how is telling somebody he's an idiot if he's intentionally trolling your game even a bad thing? If I am playing football at the local schoolyard with my friends and there's one guy, who isn't even a random, he's a friend of ours, who starts to intentionally lose the ball because he thinks that he should've scored 10 goals, but we didn't pass him the ball or w.e, we start losing the game because of him, and we all call him an idiot, how in the world is that something bad? Yeah, it's rude, but come on, if you're foolish enough to stand by while some random's wasting your time and what not, then be foolish, but don't come here trying to prove that foolishness is right.
: I mean I got acc on EUW aswell....I'm sure you only have one though.
It doesn't matter, this thread isn't about that. Honestly, whoever thinks this guy did or say ANYTHING wrong, except for that "%%%", but it was in the post game lobby so whatever, should really get some lectures about life and humans in general.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
I mean I got acc on EUW aswell....I'm sure you only have one though.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Keep down voting my comments Shiwah, hope we meet at the Rift one day so I can put you at your place, Oh wait, you don't actually play the game, darn it, too bad then. :(
archerno1 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Turtles Are Okay,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Aqb9Uo0e,comment-id=000200000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-04-22T11:53:55.231+0000) > > I promise that if I ever get rich enough, I'll dismantle all this "I'm such a prude, easy to offend snowflake", this is such a huge problem that there are now companies that are "diversity advocates" and "equalitarian values companies". Jesus Christ. > > There's a difference between non-violent offensive trashtalk, the usual extra-thicc trashtalk and actual violent talk such as "I'll come to your house and kill you". > > Two completely different things. Riot treats them the same though. Or you know, you could simply be a decent person.
I love how Archerno plays the game through the forum. You are completely clueless about the game and people in it whatsoever. If you think that it's fair that some people give their sweat blood and tears in some games to win while their teammate trolls it intentionally because he's ******, and then you should just ignore it game after game, then I'm just speechless about such person.
XOR1 (EUW)
: 1 st Time Offense 14 Day Ban?
No, you didn't deserve any punishment for this, it makes no sense, but then again, it's Riot, so it does make sense. My suggestion is to try and remember to, disable all chat, "/mute all" at the start of every game, and mute your team's pings. After that, don't type anything in the chat at all. Do not care if you win or lose the game, just give your best. Only by following those steps will you be able to dodge bans and punishments. Or, by not playing at all, like most player support specialists don't and who actually believe that this is something worthy of a punishment.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Yeah, one %%%, wow, he sure did ruin everyone's experience with that, it was even in the post game lobby, Shiwah, you're just amazing with that attitude. Get serious dude.
Aezander (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Don Corleone,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=4rnHwmAz,comment-id=0013000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-19T09:21:48.923+0000) > > Well that's nothing but a lie you said there. Intentionally or not, it's a lie nevertheless, there was never a longer punishment than the one that took 14 days. Period. Yes. I lied. Thus this old thread I bring as an example is lie too ... http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=568271 > Again, just because 5 years ago somebody failed to succeed doesn't necessarily mean that everyone would fail nowadays. Depends. Have you seen a big shift in the mentality of the playerbase ?
That's just one example of a player targeted ban, the Tribunal was doing 95% of the work, it issued bans no longer than 14 days, it also issued permabans that we're checked by Riot employees, maybe some cases where people should've been permabanned, they received one month ban instead, who knows what for? Let's just end the discussion, with a simple question, do you think that if my idea, as mentioned in OP, were to come to life, would negatively impact the game and/or the players in any way? Please read the OP again and tell me what you think.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
It's not. If I type "%%%" once per game, the IFS will detect it, If I do it every game, or every other or 3rd game, the system will "read" it as consistency.
Aezander (EUW)
: Prior the IFS era, during the Tribunal times, in the punishments, the time bans used to have more steps, longer periods than a 14-day. So one had even more leeway then. Care to take a guess what happened then, when they had even more chances to spend ?
Well that's nothing but a lie you said there. Intentionally or not, it's a lie nevertheless, there was never a longer punishment than the one that took 14 days. Period. Again, just because 5 years ago somebody failed to succeed doesn't necessarily mean that everyone would fail nowadays.
: I do believe that people deserve a second chance when they make a mistake, and this is not just for League but for life in general. However, you should only get 1 second chance, and for League this second chance is the 14 days ban. You clearly get warned after your suspension that any other toxic behavior will cost you a perma ban. I myself got banned 2 years ago for 14 days, I realized that I made a mistake, and the threat of a perma ban scared me. I didnt want to loose my account because of the amount of time, money and effort I have spent on. Since then I never said something toxic in a chat again, not only in League but also in Paladins, Batlerite, and every other online video game that I or would play. At the end this 14 day ban was a lesson for me. If you are not able to learn from a 14 days ban, then you will not be able to reform any time soon. If you think about it, flaming someone gives you nothing. If you flame someone because he plays bad, he will play even worst because on one hand you are putting pressure on him and on the other hand you give him a reason to play bad. He wont try to play better because someone is flaming him in the chat. If you answer to someone flaming you, you are just giving him attention, and this is just what he wants. He wants you to argue with him, but you get nothing from that. People flame because they are behind a screen and they dont realize it. But if you think this way it makes you understand why flaming is bad: Imagine that League is not an online game but an IRL game like football. Would you insult your partners if you were playing a football game? No you wouldn't right. I have never seen someone insulting a dude that just missed a freekick because in real life there is something called respect. And this should also be the case on the rift. I am not trying to give you a lesson or anything like that, I dont have that pretention, I am just giving you some advices on how to ignore those people that are toxic towards you, and I hope you wont take my comment negatively.
Hello, I mostly agree with everything you said. I'll just point out something I don't agree with. "At the end this 14 day ban was a lesson for me. If you are not able to learn from a 14 days ban, then you will not be able to reform any time soon." -You said, "any time soon", well I agree with that, and that is exactly why I proposed that another ban, lasting 6,9 or 12 months should be implemented in the game. After that, people who still want to continue playing can request a trial period that lasts a long time, or takes a lot of games to be played before is ended. If in the first 6,9 or 12 months + the time they spend in the trial period, are not able to reform, then they are indeed not able to reform, probably at all. The difference between 14 days and eternity (permanent suspension) is eternity itself and based on that 14 day suspension it's clearly wrong to pass the final sentence. For some people it's just too short of a time period to reform, doesn't make them less fit for the community, they're just different from the majority of people. People are different, basically what I am trying to say. I literally never flamed someone if they played bad. I don't care if somebody's having a bad day, everyone does sometimes. I completely agree with IRL example you mentioned and have up voted your comment because of that. I played football in a local club for 8 years. Never have I seen somebody being even slightly rude to anyone during the match or the training, sure somebody would get in an argument every now and then, not often though, but it wasn't anything serious and it was over before it even started. I wish I was a more ignorant person I am now, we wouldn't be here right now. I am really sorry for not ignoring stuff more. Thanks for your comment.
: I suggest you give up. You break the rules multiple times, you lose your account. There's no going back or it wouldn't be permanent. I don't get why you're being a child about It. Adults are supposed to accept the consequences of their actions. {{sticker:sg-ahri-3}}
Because I don't give up on things I believe in, do you? Did you even read the post in the first place?
StrangeDNA (EUNE)
: So... basically... yeah... just shut up and play the game... don't complain about anything because your personnal opinion does not make the "community" opinion... You got matched in a team of trolls and feeders? Just take the loss and shut up... no point in going against the "system"... You were on an winning streak and you were dreamin of getting into the next level just to find your next games matched with trolls and feeders? Just shut up and take it like a summoner that is part of a "community"... Remember that the "community" makes the game and not you... Your best atitude is to "mute" everyone and pray for a winning team without trolls or feeders... if you get them... good... if not... shut up, take the loss and move on... don't even think about changing the game cause YOU WON'T... Your team mates got killed 5 times each before minute 3? tough luck m8... shut up... lose the game and go into the next one praying for a team of skilled players that will grant you that win for free... Your support is clueless about his tasks in lane? Most likely he didn't want support role... Just shut up... lose the lane... lose the game... get into a new game and maybe... maybe you'll have a decent team but shut up about it... You're in a game losing 10 to 1 before minute 5? Shut up... hold till minute 20 (cause they will NEVER SURRENDER at 15 mins...) and hopefully those trolls and feeders realise they will never win that game and FF... if you flame them you'll have to put up 10, 15 or 20 mins more until enemy team finally gets to your fountain and finishes your suffering but don't say anything... remember... you are part of a "community"... YOU ARE NOT THE "COMMUNITY". Its a different world from what you see on LCS... all those fancy plays and tactics... You are in the real world with NOT PRO PLAYERS just bad players like you and me... we are just a "part" of the "community"... you alone are not the "community"... no one cares about you personally... the "community" is what matters... not you! So... shut up... don't complain about anything or anyone... take the loss and be happy... don't even think about tilting cause you won't get anything from it... you'll going to get banned... over and over until you get permanently banned... Thinking of getting to challenger by yourself? right... dream on xD
Well this must be the worst comment on this topic. Not much to say about it. I've already been to challenger, twice, I don't need to dream about it. "xD"
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Don Corleone,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=4rnHwmAz,comment-id=00010000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-18T21:29:39.480+0000) > > the chances of you or me getting a punishment is completely off point. Chances? What chances? There's 0,0..01% chance that I'll ever be punished. Do you know why? Because I behave. I know what it's allowed and what isn't. I don't say 0% because I don't know where I'll end up in the future, but I don't intend on breaking the rules. There's no "chance" here. Besides, I have more than 2500 hours in the game. I've been playing since 2012 too. My friend has over 4000 hours and he **never** had any punishment either. The point is you've been punished before. You've been punished enough times to not even remember how many. You asked for "time to show you changed". You had that time. I don't have anything else to tell you. Make a new account, if you want, or quit League. {{sticker:vlad-salute}}
It seems to me like you're one of those that absolutely love when people get hurt, a real sadist. You've been playing since 2012 and only last 2 seasons you managed to hit gold? Wow. Who said that I've been punished so many times I lost count? Those are your words and not mine. I said I don't remember because of how many years have passed and how many games I played. I had a chat restriction once or twice and a 14 day suspension. Pretty sure that's it, but I can't claim it as I'm only pretty sure and not completely. Those like you who are unable to put themselves into my perspective will have a hard time understanding what I'm talking about. I wish you the best.
ShanksFX (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Don Corleone,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=4rnHwmAz,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2018-04-18T21:38:43.289+0000) > > Just because bunch of people in the past failed doesn't mean that nobody else should be given that opportunity. > If some people managed to restore their accounts and improve their behavior for good, then I think it was really a success and not a failure. > Not like it takes some huge organization and cooperation to give people that one chance. It's also worth because of a fact that it doesn't take much work and time to remove player's suspension and if, he starts to behave as before, ban him again. > If I have a chance of making one guy's world a whole lot better with just a bit of my work and not hurting anyone in the process then, without thinking for a second, I would. "Hey Joe, i need you to work overtime for an uncertain amount of time without any extra pay, thats ok for you right? No? Well how about putting your other work on hold and letting it pile up? Still no? Hm but you rly could make the world better for some people who failed to hit the mute button after being warned repeatedly!" Srsly, do you rly think this is done with just a /unban_all? It needs a lot of work, since u probably gotta distinguish between people who got perma'd for mild flame and those who threw around racial and homophobic slurs. And thats just one example. Also it needs monitoring in the future, which needs people to work at it aswell. It simly is not "just a bit of work". Its way more. Again, this kind of thinking is childish. No one will work for free to unban a few people. And riot is not a welfare company. Im not telling you this because im getting off of those people who got banned, im just realistic.
Well I am sorry that you still don't get it , but I am getting exhausted telling same things over and over. It's literally one line of code in whatever programming language they're using. For a single person. Nowhere did I mention that tomorrow or asap Riot should release all permanently suspended people. With the IFS it doesn't need people monitoring each individual. Who's talking about free work? Nothing you said is true and it seems to me like you got it all wrong or just refuse to get it right. Whichever it is, I wish you the best.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
No, I am not under the assumption that people are here to make me feel bad, just you and maybe one other guy. You're refusing to see the other side and just keep on blindly defending what you believe is right. I also have a tone of data that proves that I self carried with both game play and words tons of my games, too bad that I am not given access to any of those nor will anyone show those games. And why's that? Because Riot and as a matter of fact you yourself are judging people only by mistakes and trespasses they did in the past. If you think that the game would go to hell if Riot released all the permanently banned accounts, then you're living in an illusion. Nobody would even notice, except maybe in faster queue times. With your favorite IFS in the game, most of them who returned to their original bad behavior would be instantly banned again. Wow, what surprise to you, I can tell. So stop with this nonsense about taking risks and what not. There's no risk whatsoever. In games I played, and I played much, much, much more than you did yourself and for a longer period of time, people rage quit first, and then if they returned, they get flamed. (In >90% cases). Sometimes you gotta get your head out of all that data you're referring to and just listen to the community. If you got, as you said, tons of these types of posts, once a week for 5-6 years, then you've got 500+ players who tried to talk to the community and show them that they can reform. I think that's a pretty big number to make some changes. If you read my posts you could've seen me saying that for some people, including myself, punishments before weren't as serious as the permanent one. Also, in my OP I said that people don't realize what they have until it's gone. I am truly sorry for not taking them serious enough. Is it too late now? Of course it isn't, it would only be late if my account was deleted, but it isn't. I never ran out of arguments even for a second, what are you talking about? Saying that higher rated people have more insight about the game and the players is nothing but the truth. Do you think we should let Gold and Silver players make the next patch notes? I hope you don't. Oh please don't tell me I don't regret actions that led to my ban, please. I only stated that "I do not believe I ruined player's experience by telling them to "fof" or such things, after and only after they started flaming me". If you manage to make anyone, including yourself, believe that a player starting the fight and then getting the response from his team, is a player's who's experience of the game has been ruined by his team, then I'll just give up on this right now. If you lock two people in the room, they hear no noise or see no light, and one of them says "we're gonna die", when the other responds with "stop talking moron and try to find a way to survive", which one of those did ruin the mood and brought disturbance to the room and to both of them? You don't need to answer, it's pretty obvious. I apologized to the community, those players, and the Riot multiple times, with my opened heart and nobody gave two ducks about it. If you think I've been sitting here for the past few days, making whole essays about me, my gaming history and my thoughts and ideas, responding to every single message that I've received, only to flame once more and then get banned the day after, if my account got it's suspension removed, then I really don't know what kind of a monster you picture I am. If you want, tomorrow, I'll take a picture of myself, to prove to you that I am indeed a human. Yes, it's completely up to me to prove all of my claims, if you tell me how do I do that without playing, and after apologizing multiple times and asking if there's ANY way to make up for my trespasses, I'll remember you for as long as I live.
Rismosch (EUW)
: You don't know how often I say those "trigger" words. I use "f.uck", "b.ullshit", "r etarded", "broken piece of shit champion I am so f.ucking tilted I want to hang mself" all the time, yet here I have a completely clean account with no punishment whatsoever. I never harass people, this is why I am not banned. I cry, but I don't harass. This is the difference. Of course it's still bullshit behaviour and I plan to turn that down, as I am a manbaby and I don't want that. If this is not proof that the system _only_ looks for trigger words, then I don't know. It checks context aswell and looks if you harass people aswell. If you did not harass anyone, then everything should be fine.
I often got reported because of one guy convincing the enemy team that I am doing something wrong or flaming my own team. I have an argument with one guy because he starts it and won't let go and then he gathers his allies and they all report me. How is that fair?
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
"Get cancer" is the oldest flame in any game. It didn't come around in season 4 or 5. He was trying to say that with today's IFS, people get banned for trigger words, such as the *n* or the *f* words. Back then, you really had to flame a lot to receive a permaban. So no, people don't get ban for same things as before. Also, with the implementation of smart pings, people often use the "enemies are missing" ping to annoy people because it puts a big question mark on top of them. They never get any punishments because IFS doesn't detect that as negative behavior.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Does that mean that because of those people, we today are forbidden from getting that opportunity?
ShanksFX (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Don Corleone,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=4rnHwmAz,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-18T15:27:46.608+0000) > > Not everyone who got permabanned is, as you said, a toxic butthole, and those that were, might have changed in those months that they were banned. Did you even read my post? Riot already tried it and EVIDENTLY almost everyone returned to their toxic behavior. And almost means only a few % even survived the trial period. Yes thats not everyone. But for those few people it is just not worth it.
Just because bunch of people in the past failed doesn't mean that nobody else should be given that opportunity. If some people managed to restore their accounts and improve their behavior for good, then I think it was really a success and not a failure. Not like it takes some huge organization and cooperation to give people that one chance. It's also worth because of a fact that it doesn't take much work and time to remove player's suspension and if, he starts to behave as before, ban him again. If I have a chance of making one guy's world a whole lot better with just a bit of my work and not hurting anyone in the process then, without thinking for a second, I would.
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Don Corleone,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=4rnHwmAz,comment-id=000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-18T12:41:31.738+0000) > > I have been playing since the start of Season 2. I don't remember all of my punishments. With that sentence you answered the underlying question. If you had **multiple punishments** since 2012, then you've had at least 5 years to understand what is acceptable and what isn't. In other words, you had plenty of time to change. I can remember **all of my punishments**, because I never had one.
And yet again, compare how many games have I played and how many games have you played, the chances of you or me getting a punishment is completely off point.
: I totally agree with this. I see a lot of comments about the fact that Riot had already done that and failed because alot of players failed miserably (they didn't reform) I don't really see how is this a failure, some people chose to reform and got there ban lifted while others didn't and still got banned. The level 20 challenge and other chances Riot used to give permanently banned players wasn't a failure imo
I believe they think it wasn't a success because they believed everyone will reform, therefore, they sure as hell did believe that everyone CAN reform in the first place. I am not saying that every permanent suspension they've issued would, if my ideas were to come to life, be removed, but everyone here who said something today or just read my original post, we can all agree that some players, would indeed be the real examples of how you should be behaving, simply because they've been both good and bad behaved. It doesn't take much work, not at all. It just takes some good will and a positive approach. It can all be made possible.
: Is Don Corleone banned?
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Just because they don't want to repeat the experiment doesn't mean that the experiment itself would fail. I think that's as clear as day. I know that nobody, probably, ever got unbanned for that reason, but that still doesn't mean that it shouldn't be a thing. No, I don't question the playtime of those agreeing with me because every person who has feelings for others and can understand how tough and hard going through this can be thinks the same as I do. Because that's common sense. If you decide that nothing should change before even trying to make a change, when the system clearly isn't the best as it could be, then why are you still here? You're really stubborn you know. How do I make you believe that people can indeed change after they see how it feels to be permanently suspended? Some people didn't take anything but that as serious as they should've. That doesn't make them lesser beings or mentally inferior to others. It just means that they should be given that one more chance. It can't hurt anyone. If they fail, then they fail. At least everyone will be at peace. How to make you believe without letting those players play on their accounts again?
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Shiwah I can sense your negativity spreading from wherever you are. If you think that all permanently banned player's should be placed in the same box and never mentioned again then please read a thing or two about people in general and their redemption. Why are people acting as if permanently suspended players are monsters who want to ruin people's lives and should be despised whenever someone mentions them?
Rismosch (EUW)
: The system needs it's edge. If the permaban has no consequence, people will not reform. If you keep getting banned a whole year again and again due to toxicity and get your main account a year later, you have learned virtually nothing while also not having lost anything.
Well I don't think anyone would create a new account, flame for a year, and then request the trial I mentioned in my original post and then flame again. It makes no sense. Even if they did, they would say goodbye to their account and this time for good. I am only asking for another suspension that lasts longer than 14 days and then judge if people really did reform or not. Judging that if after 14 days people didn't change their behavior, they will never change it, is wrong.
: Permanently banned accounts (Possible solution)
If you'd like to play with me and see for yourself what kind of a player I really am, you can add me: "Unban me please" is my IGN, server, EUNE.
Rismosch (EUW)
: If it's easy to get banned, why then was I never punished, not even received a chat restriction? I admit it, I can be a real %%%%% sometimes, crying alot about broken champions within the game. If it is easy to get banned, why then have I not even received the tiniest chat restriction? If you say it's because the banning system is bad, then you just contradicted your point. Thing is, the system can tell quite well between harassment and %%%%%ing like I do. I may cry alot, but I do not attack people personally. Since my havy use of swear words doesn't get banned, but people who harass others definetely are, this tells us that the system is working pretty fine actually.
There are so called "trigger" words that the IFS detects and then you get immediately punished. So people who actually start the fights and flame and blame in their own way sometimes go under the radar, while those that use "trigger" words picked by Riot will always get detected by the IFS and therefore their penalty will be issued much faster. Not saying that you go under the radar.
: When you judge a person's behavior towards other people and game itself, you can't just count how many times he wrote the *f* word. Whenever you judge something or someone, you look at BOTH good and bad sides of that thing or a person. Therefore, if I flamed 1 out of 100 persons every week and I played 25 games of solo queue that week, keep in mind that those players are only my teammates, then you get to a ridiculous % of people I flamed in all my games, probably around 6 thousand. And most of those players that I flamed were asking for it by provoking me, I should not have reacted, but still, read the numbers. I helped and gave my best to win 25/25 of those games and I helped 100 persons, not 99, 100 of them to overcome the enemy team. I am not counting the enemy team, because in most of my games I had my all chat disabled. So the enemy players I have played with only count towards less % of people I flamed. Even the term "flamed" is overrated in my case.
6 thousand is number of games I played, somewhere around that, maybe more.
ShanksFX (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Don Corleone,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=4rnHwmAz,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-18T15:43:34.777+0000) > You can't let the majority, which are gold players and silver players in League, decide about the future of the game, simply because they don't understand it as much. Yeah i dont think there is any worth in arguing any further here since you keep on stroking your e-pen because you are actually higher ranked than me. But again, it absolutly doesnt matter when it comes to player behaviour. There is absolutly no connection between ones rank and their ability to judge the punishment system. I "dont understand the game as much". So.. ok. You are comparing two comletly different thing here and wont understand that they have nothing to do with each other. >> You're constantly mocking me that I got offended by people flaming me and you didn't think of a fact that the only reason I am here is that a several players got offended by me in the first place. " Do they permanently damage your mentality? Can they do ANYTHING to you? No? Then why do you reply?" - No, they did not, nor did I hurt them, then, once again, why the hell am I here? Okey, again. no i dont give a damn what people say about me. because it doesnt matter. But their toxcicity still impacts my game and flaming usually results in a lose. Im not offended, im just annoyed. Simple enough this time? > You say you never cared about this shit, then why the hell are you still here arguing over something you don't care? Probably because you enjoy it. I'm sorry that if we met in real life you wouldn't have the decency to say any of this stuff, because, obviously, you are one of those provocative forum people. Just because i dont care about some raging kids, doesnt mean i dont care about the topic at all. I just like to talk about things in a constructive manner, because thats how we usually solve problems in this world. So yes, i would pretty much say the exact same thing to your face, why not. >It's not worth what? It takes 4 clicks to remove the suspension. Get serious. I was never offered that chance because when they got banned I just reached lvl 30. It was a long time ago, why not try something different again, even if 1 person gets his account back, Riot will make that one guy happiest guy on planet. I think that's worth. That is your mindset as a consumer and as a still pretty young person who lacks experience in managing different things in a timely manner, which is understandable and not meant as an insult. So, there are probably a lot of accounts getting permabanney every day. A reevaluation of those accounts would need a lot of manpower, which would mean to hire people for just this job, because it takes time. And this would mean to pay those people. And from a business standpoint: Why? Just so a few people MAY keep their accounts? No. It just doesnt make any sense. And it is not worth it.
When you judge a person's behavior towards other people and game itself, you can't just count how many times he wrote the *f* word. Whenever you judge something or someone, you look at BOTH good and bad sides of that thing or a person. Therefore, if I flamed 1 out of 100 persons every week and I played 25 games of solo queue that week, keep in mind that those players are only my teammates, then you get to a ridiculous % of people I flamed in all my games, probably around 6 thousand. And most of those players that I flamed were asking for it by provoking me, I should not have reacted, but still, read the numbers. I helped and gave my best to win 25/25 of those games and I helped 100 persons, not 99, 100 of them to overcome the enemy team. I am not counting the enemy team, because in most of my games I had my all chat disabled. So the enemy players I have played with only count towards less % of people I flamed. Even the term "flamed" is overrated in my case.
Marissa (EUW)
: I think they tell people that want to reform to make a new account because most people that keep their habits seem to get banned before 20 (so definitely before hitting 30), meaning that 20 and above you have a pretty decent environment when you're smurfing (not it takes only a few games to detect you as smurf and put you against higher level newbies/smurfs fast - up to the point you're only playing with and against smurfs). ######the pre 20 part is just my experience So since they get banned before they ever reach ranked/the biggest part of the community - they don't care THAT much. They also aren't that big a problem to new players as new players mmr is different from theirs (within a few games) meaning the true new players never meet them in game. __________________________________________________________________________ I wouldn't know about people getting their accounts back - I doubt there's a really consistent way. But maybe a way of getting a new account to level 30 without any problems and high honor could give the rare cases of truly reformed players their chance of getting their main back.
I agree with you Marissa, I started leveling a new account hoping that things you said come to life. :D
: > [{quoted}](name=ShanksFX,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=4rnHwmAz,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-18T15:38:22.431+0000) > > Did you even read my post? Riot already tried it and EVIDENTLY almost everyone returned to their toxic behavior. And almost means only a few % even survived the trial period. > Yes thats not everyone. But for those few people it is just not worth it. You realise the banning system was different then? People get banned easier now it could have higher a reform rate now. That's just a lame excuse to treat everyone who raged like monsters and to protect the snowflakes.
: Its funny everyone says that the current system has the highest reform rate, funny that because the game is in the exact same state its ever been no worse no better. I seen someone else saying flame is the worst form of toxicity because its on a personal level.. How personal is it from a complete stranger behind a screen? The good old yeah riot tried a similar thing years ago with X amount of players at a chance of getting there accounts back. So because these guys failed no one else should ever be given the chance to redeem there account? Lets not forget the banning system has changed since then so technically it could be a different mindset of player banned now and maybe they could reform, and I'm pretty sure there would be high success. Riot probably make more money from perma bans too, 0.006% is a bs number has got to be more now.
Thanks for sharing my opinion. I completely agree with you.
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