Overloard99 (EUNE)
: Try to accept what you get. I won many games where we actually trolled like darius adc,etc and we actually won because we acted like a team. So don't always leave, try to choose something to help your team like if they miss support,etc. I know it sucks but you have chances to win.
I do that, and i don't always leave haven't left since this post and haven't left in like a year before this post. I know what you mean do. I won a couple games with a troll, but usually cause the enemy team is even worse or they have a troll too.
MvP snow (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Endgame,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=lzKTNBtd,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-01-09T14:03:55.806+0000) > It is unfair for me to have to exit champion select Noone is forcing you to do so dude ... ehhh I just cant explain it to every single person who think that getting out of certain division is their teammates fault .. It's you man. You are just bad and you won't get out of bronze/silver - simple as that. Learn to play the game - If nunu go adc, you support him because an adc needs support and if you think otherwise than you troll and you supposted get even I would say banned !
You don't get it. No one is forcing you literally to do anything in life. You can't just use that as an excuse for everything. I'm saying that it's stupid that i have to waste my time hoping that the guy was joking. Why does it matter if i was bad or not? I didn't bring that up, i wasn't complaining about someone being bad or me not being able to carry. In fact i didn't even mention climbing the ladder or silver/bronze. Obviously you haven't read anything i have said before the post, i don't mind a Nunu adc, i mind a Nunu adc that will troll and 95% lose us the game, taking away -20 LP and costing me over 20 minutes of time + irritating me. But i guess that's just the 90% of LoL communities way to answer anything: "Learn to play!" "You're bad!" etc. You have never seen me play, you haven't even checked my match history. So don't bring up how good or how bad i am to a topic that has literally NOTHING to do with that. BTW I don't need you explaining how i should get out of a division cause that is not what i was looking for at all.
Cypherous (EUW)
: You have proven nothing, i've pointed out how this system is impossible and that there isn't even a problem, yet you seem to think that because someone says something in a chat that you should be allowed to either punish them or ruin a champion select for 9 other people for free, until you can give a valid reason for that then we have nothing to discuss, why should YOU get away without punishment? > Here's some: Maybe we each get 1 dodge a day? Abused by people to effectively dodge a ranked game per day where the matchup wasn't in your favour because someone got counterpicked or a certain champion wasn't banned, considering every player would get one per day thats 9 other people in a match that can cause you to have to sit through yet another champion select just because of this free dodge, so that idea was a no-go > Maybe there could be something similar to a report button in champion select that wouldn't ban him, but would make Riot or the tribunal check his games more than others. Looking for WHAT? he isn't breaking the rules he is allowed to pick any champion he owns with any combination of summoner spells in whatever role he wants, there are zero rules regarding the meta or deviating from it, anyone can claim they are going to troll without actually trolling so looking at that is worthless until he actually trolls but at that point you have a valid report and you'll have access to the end of game report feature > Maybe you can vote kick the player in champion select (they would have to work more on that though). Riot have already said multiple times this is a terrible idea as you could just vote kick someone who didn't pick the most "OP" champion for their role or to effectively get a free dodge if you saw the enemy team had a better composition > All of these are off the top of my head and they all have their flaws, but if I, one person could think of all of these in like a minute, surely there's someone in Riot that can think of even better in months. Indeed, which they already did, then disregarded because they caused more problems than they fixed, you cannot fix people and there is a limit to how much hand holding you can do, if someone wants to go jungle with clarity + ghost sona they are actually allowed to as there are no rules regarding that And regarding the chat as i've said, he isn't breaking any rules, i could say i was going to troll in champ select and then not troll in the actual match, as a result i wouldn't and shouldn't be punished as i never actually did anything wrong At the end of the day, you CHOOSE when you want to dodge a match for whatever reasons you want but do NOT expect to do it freely, when you dodge you're delaying a match for 9 other people so why would you even think you should be allowed to do it without any kind of punishment?
Holy fuck you are the most ignorant and clueless person i have ever talked to. LITERALLY i mean it, you are the most ignorant person i have EVER talked to. Look at your arguments. You keep repeating the same shit over and over. You make up your own shit, you don't even actually understand what i'm saying. You disregard everything you can't say anything about. You keep thinking you know what Riot thinks or is doing as if you work there. You have terrible work mentality and i hope to god you never run anything yourself. Did i mention you keep saying THE SAME SHIT over and over and over and over and over again. As if i'm retarded you just keep saying the same exact things. You basically said most of the things you just said in your last posts 5 times. You have posted 6 times and have said nothing different then from your first post. For the last time and i mean last cause i'm not replying to you after this. 1.You can fix it cause THEY ARE ALREADY DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT. 2.It's not about what he picks it's about what he says! 3.HOW IS THAT OKAY? Then why is threatening to kill someone punishable? You aren't really going to kill him, i mean we don't know. Why is being racist illegal? We don't know if he really means it or not. Only a complete moron would just sit there and think "Hey, maybe he was just making a stupid joke about trolling" cause it's the same as "Hey, maybe he was just joking about beating the fuck out of me". 4.You decide to correct my random suggestions even though i just used that as a point that IT IS possible 5.You are such a fucking pessimist. You go by the rule "if it's not broken, don't fix it" which is a terrible motto to go by (i'll let life teach you why). 6.Again, and again, and again. I DON'T D O N ' T DON'T think dodging shouldn't be punishable i'm saying there shouldn't be a reason to dodge. It's a skill game. Playing versus a counter is a challenge playing versus and op champion is a challenge. Even playing with a bad team comp. is a challenge. HOPING the guy in champion select was just kidding IS NOT. 7.You are using the following: "as i've said", yet you completely disregard what I HAVE said. Just cause it's not against the rules doesn't mean it's okay. Now you can count how many times i have said that. Calling someone a moron or a retard or making fun of a loser or laughing at someone who is disabled etc etc etc etc ISN'T AGAINST THE RULES so it makes it OKAY right? Right? 8.You're a hypocrite, telling that guy he has no counter argument. LOOK AT YOURSELF. Does aren't even counter arguments. It's like talking to a parrot, a robot, an npc or even a broken CD player. You just repeat the same shit hoping the other person will give up because he is annoyed by your ignorance....i guess it worked in this case, bravo, you managed to annoy me so much that i'm actually just gonna give up in proving you wrong. 9.I am done, you can continue this if you want, but i'm done with you. Continue thinking you are right. Those who can't accept they are wrong and aren't willing to change will never better themselves. P.S for future reference, don't repeat yourself 50 times, it makes you look stupid and only shows you have nothing else to say P.S.S Remember, ignorance is bliss. Goodbye, best of luck and i hope you overcome your problem. And if they fix this (or should i say when they fix this) and i'm still around, don't worry, i won't gloat, i'm not the rub-it-in-your-face type of guy. Then again i'm taking to a walking cassette player.
Cypherous (EUW)
: > This is going nowhere Indeed, because you wont admit that both myself and riot agree there isn't a problem
Nah, i'm done. You're lost in your own ignorance. I proved you wrong multiple times and you even proved yourself wrong. I didn't want to insult you, but if you really think you and Riot share the same mentality you clearly aren't really smart. It was fun proving you wrong and laughing over your terrible arguments, have a nice day and good luck, i'm done talking to you.
Cypherous (EUW)
: > I don't think you understand the concept of a solution. Did you not understand anything i have been saying i DON'T want them to get rid of the penalty i want them to make it so you don't need to resort to leaving and getting that penalty. And you're missing the point that there is NOT a solution because there is NOT a problem, as i've said this is how its been since season 1 and riot, who has far smarter people working for them than you or i, has already considered this solution multiple times and decided not to change it, just because someone says something does not mean they will do it so there isn't anything to fix other than your expectation of what constitutes a problem > And again with the legal stuff... It's a game, they make their own rules in a game, what they say goes. Changes happen, do you think every organisation kept the rules they made from the beginning? No, they changed, things change. What do you mean Riot won't do anything about it? They do not perceive it as a problem, ergo it does not need fixing, by all means suggest a way this could be fixed and i will point out at a minimum one problem more that your solution creates > There should always be a solution or an attempt at one Only when there is a problem, there is a saying, it it ain't broke don't fix it, riot deems this as working as intended and you're suffering because you CHOOSE to dodge, nobody is forcing you to dodge so there isn't an issue, when someone is somehow forcing you to dodge then maybe we can revisit this but until such a time as your free will is removed we don't have a problem
This is going nowhere since you keep saying the same thing and can't accept that it isn't true. OF COURSE THERE'S A PROBLEM. Do you really think this isn't a problem? Really? Are you actually saying that people "trolling" and ruining games isn't a problem? And you keep ignoring most of my statements only picking off the ones you want. I'm going to lay it down simple: The problem is as follows: There are people abusing what they can say since you can't report anyone in Champion Select. They are toxic and can literally ruin your game without it even starting. How is that not a problem? Sure we don't know if they will, but i've already explained why that is stupid. People get banned for toxicity and that is against the rules. How is this not then? Just cause it's in champion select doesn't mean it isn't toxicity. And for the last time JUST CAUSE SOMETHING ISN'T ILLEGAL OR AGAINST THE RULES DOESN'T MAKE IT OKAY. "Nobody is forcing you to dodge" "You CHOOSE to dodge" can't you see how stupid these arguments are? Of course no one forced me, no one is supposed to. I choose to dodge since i don't want my time wasted and to deal with the stress. You keep acting like i do this all the time even though i have said that this is my first time dodging in like a year. I would gladly help to find a solution. I do not work for Riot or know anything about the making of a game or anything about computers really, so i wouldn't know how any of this works. Although i have no problem helping with a solution, but of course they won't accept help from some random guy on the forums. I'm not saying it has to be perfect, but there are lots of ways to improve it. Here's some: Maybe we each get 1 dodge a day? Maybe there could be something similar to a report button in champion select that wouldn't ban him, but would make Riot or the tribunal check his games more than others. Maybe there could be a team builder aspect to Champion select. Maybe you can vote kick the player in champion select (they would have to work more on that though). All of these are off the top of my head and they all have their flaws, but if I, one person could think of all of these in like a minute, surely there's someone in Riot that can think of even better in months. BTW as for the "They don't want to fix it" thing, i've already said "First there was Tribunal then there was Leaver buster then Team builder and so on, they do something every year. They even announced a new Champion select".
Dotje (EUW)
: If you tell someone to kill him/herself
Of course it shouldn't be allowed, but then again no negativity and griefing should be allowed it's something hard to control and we as a community should try to better. Also saying "it's just a game" in that context is really stupid. A lot of people don't have much time and to spend 2-3 hours of their leisure time being frustrated on a video game is serious. A wise man once said "Yeah, it is a game, a game that uses my REAL time.".
Cypherous (EUW)
: > First off, yeah he hasn't broken a rule, but does that make it okay? Your logic is "Unless it's against the law then who cares". Which is the law of the land, at the end of the day riot wont punish him nor give tools to punish him until he actually breaks a rule, its that simple, this isn't the first time someone has suggested this and it wont be the last, but it still hasn't been added, why do you think that is, its because riot disagree with it :) And at the end of the day THEY make the rules that WE have to abide by, if you dislike the rules then leave, your two choices are deal with it or play a different game > I'm not saying Riot should make this illegal i'm saying there should be a solution to it. You're asking for a way to avoid the dodge penalty because nobody broke a rule? Do you realise how dumb that sounds, because at that point anyone could dodge for free because of a "troll" who hasn't even done anything wrong yet, at the end of the day if you want to dodge then so be it but YOU are annoying 9 other people by doing so and will be punished accordingly and i dont see that changing any time soon as its been this way since season 1
I don't think you understand the concept of a solution. Did you not understand anything i have been saying i DON'T want them to get rid of the penalty i want them to make it so you don't need to resort to leaving and getting that penalty. And again with the legal stuff... It's a game, they make their own rules in a game, what they say goes. Changes happen, do you think every organisation kept the rules they made from the beginning? No, they changed, things change. What do you mean Riot won't do anything about it? First there was Tribunal then there was Leaver buster then Team builder and so on, they do something every year. They even announced a new Champion select and it hasn't been that way since season 1 fyi. When we are on the topic of rights and free speech. I can voice my concern and critique something, and no, not cause "i just can", because unlike you and those trolls i actually have a valid argument. BTW: "Either take it or leave it" is probably the worst thing you've said so far. The "if you don't like it, leave" mentality is terrible, especially for a big company. There should always be a solution or an attempt at one and i'm not saying i deserve it or that i have done anything for the company, but WE the entire community have and i'm sure if Riot really is a good company they will do anything they can to please us. At the end of the day, like you said "this isn't the first time someone has suggested this and it wont be the last".
Cypherous (EUW)
: > there should be a way to fix it There is nothing to fix, people are allowed to say what they like within the confines of the summoners code and EULA/TOS, he hasn't broken a rule so there is nothing to fix, just because someone says they are going to do x doens't mean they actually end up doing x so there is nothing to punish them for until they have actually committed a crime > "Well, just deal with it" is stupid. Imagine sports saying that about flopping or **racism**. Racism is actually illegal, so not sure what your point there is > Sometimes just taking an LP hit quick instead of playing the game is easier and less frustrating and that is not the type of mentality Riot should be supporting. I agree, hence the penalty for dodging > In the end of the day, that asshole gets to ruin someones game and i get punished for possibly saving 3 other peoples game. He hasn't ruined a match until it actually starts, by dodging you didn't let that match start and you take on the asshole role by delaying a match for 9 other people At the end of the day there is nothing here to fix other than you somehow want the power to stifle free speech because you seem to "think" that someone is going to do something
First off, yeah he hasn't broken a rule, but does that make it okay? Your logic is "Unless it's against the law then who cares". There is a reason it's illegal that's my point! They did something about it, if they were to say "Deal with it" it wouldn't be illegal. I'm not saying Riot should make this illegal i'm saying there should be a solution to it. Again, i'm not going to gamble in a video game based on skill and what if he does ruin it? Oh well there goes my time and effort + i'm now mad. I'm an asshole for stopping the game? I literally made them wait 5 minutes more that's way better than lasting an entire game with a 90% possible troll. There is a lot to fix. You call "MID OR FEED" "I TROLL" "IF I SUPPORT I FEED" (not even adding the spamming and swearing) normal? That is abusing free speech, not to mention when they start insulting in champion select. And no i don't need to "THINK" there is no "THINKING" involved. When someone says they are going to do something they usually do. What is the point of saying you are going to troll or whatnot if you aren't? Just to piss people off? Riot have fixed A LOT of things in this game, so i'm sure they'll find a way if they try. You are basically saying for me to just hope they are joking, which is bullshit. It's the same as "IT'S JUST A PRANK BRO" it's like me telling you that you are a moron and then if you punch me i say "I WAS JUST JOKING" "FREEDOM OF SPEECH BRO".
Cypherous (EUW)
: tl;dr you're not forced in to leaving you CHOOSE to leave so deal with the penalty you opted for At the end of the day there is no real way to know what the outcome of a match are, sure you might get someone who claims they are going to troll but doesn't end up actually trolling and instead does really well and carries you, there are zero rules regarding off-meta picks and just because someone picks something that YOU think is a troll does not mean you should be given free reign to leave, you never know the enemy might get 2 AFK's at which point you just steamroll, until the match has started he hasn't actually done anything wrong and unless he breaks a rule he cannot be validly reported When it comes to dodging YOU are in ultimate control of if you want to dodge and earn a dodge penalty, unless someone actually comes to your house and holds a gun to your head its not forced, you chose to leave, now while YOU might think its unfair to have to wait 15 minutes I think its unfair that i have to sit through multiple champ selects because of people dodging, so personally i think its fine to punish lobby dodgers
Again, i did not leave cause of what he picked i left cause he kept saying "I troll". I don't want to dodge and i dislike it and i'm sure no one likes dodging, but wait, what does that tell you? That there SHOULDN'T be a reason for it, there should be a way to fix it. Saying "Well, just deal with it" is stupid. Imagine sports saying that about flopping or racism. Imagine Stores saying that about shitty employees etc etc. Sometimes just taking an LP hit quick instead of playing the game is easier and less frustrating and that is not the type of mentality Riot should be supporting. In the end of the day, that asshole gets to ruin someones game and i get punished for possibly saving 3 other peoples game. There are moments where you win, but i'm not going to pray during the loading screen that the enemy team sucks and this guy was just joking.
Endgame (EUNE)
: Leaving Champion Select
Look, i don't care if he goes Nunu adc or whatever. I only want him to play for real not troll and i don't wanna risk it. I don't do this all the time, this was the first time i left champ select in like a year. Once, i got this guy, last pick calling mid or feed. i didn't want to give him mid, ended up winning even though he had over 25 deaths i managed to pull out around 26 kills and carry with the help of Jax. I also don't mind playing all roles, i don't leave cause i don't get the role i want that was not what i was complaining about. I was trying to say that there should be a way to prevent this from happening, maybe not entirely, but at least make it less common. Sometimes i don't have a lot of time, we all have holidays and vacations, but sometimes there's a lot of work and you just want to play a game and relax for a couple hours. You can't play more than 2-3 games, so you get an asshole who has nothing better to do then just ruin your game and make 45 mins of your life stressful and worst case scenario, make you mad. (Why i didn't want to give that guy mid is a different topic entirely)
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