DYR (EUNE)
: Don't make a champ's overall win'rate or viability influence you. I've reached Diamond 4 last season with Udyr, when he was the 2nd worst champ, with 44.2% win-rate. I had 60+. If you're good, you'll prevail. Imagine hitting 8/10 Qs in enemy ADC while poking instead of 6/10. Your damage got boosted by 20%, even if they nerf 10% which is super big and they won't, you get a 10% damage boost, solely on your ability to hit Qs. Don't give up on your champ !
I'm not giving up on my favorite champ... it's just that it's annoying that it gives you so little freedom... I've tried just about anything else other than Klepto and the difference is HUGE... Glacial Augment is decent in lane to help the ganks with the slow... but still too the decrease in gold is way too big... Electrocute is only useful when you go all in and the gold you get from poke is not worth giving up... it's like it's Klepto Ezreal or no Ezreal... no room to outplay the enemy with your decisions... even Aery with the poke is not good enough to give up the money of Klepto... without being 1 item ahead due to Klepto with Ezreal you're not good enough...
: If u need strict rules and roles about what type of champs can play what role LoL just isn't the game for you. MOBAs aren't the genre for you. I would suggest RPGs. There you often have the case that a certain class or subclass can only realistacally do one role.
Look, I can play a mid laner as a supp... I can play a top laner as a supp... i've played a lot of things... ASSASSINS ARE NOT SUPPORTS!!! Assassins are killers... Supports are the complete opposite of a killer... now if you don't get it... sorry but you don't know what a decent video game is... there are certain rules in video gaming... EVERY SINGLE GREAT VIDEO GAME IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND INCLUDING LEAGUE FOLLOWED THESE RULES TO SUCCESS... now go play your assassin support and see if it will work well for the game... just a few more of those and the greatest MOBA in history will really die... people do want to find logic in what they are playing... it's not just give me anything and I will play.... I like league but I refuse to be playing without asking what the hell they are giving me to play... It's different to do what people did with Morgana for example that was a mid laner but the players turned her into a support... also, if you take ANY OTHER ASSASSIN and you go supp bot, you're a troll... there's a reason for that... ASSASSINS AREN'T SUPPS!!!
Grimmrok (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=I will obliviate,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=fAl1bcag,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2018-06-03T12:56:38.383+0000) > > Diversity doesn't mean I can make whatever the hell I want... Yes they can. It's their game, they can do what they want with it. If you don't like what they do, you can protest by not playing. That's your option. > Lastly... does anyone read a post anymore??? What I said in my post is ridiculously simple to understand... I didn't say Pyke is OP as hell... I didn't say Pyke can't be beaten... Did I claim that you did? Did I say that he is or isn't OP? Did I mention anything about his power? >I said PYKE IS NOT A GOD DAMN SUPPORT!!! And we say that he is a support. >HIS SKILLSET IS AN ASSASSIN AND YET HE IS MADE TO BE A SUPPORT... Yes, he was designed to be an assassin support. How's that for innovation? >WHY WOULD ANYONE MAKE AN ASSASSIN SUPPORT??? IT'S JUST STUPID... RIOT made an assassin support because they wanted to and they could. _____________________ Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be done. End of story.
So I have to quit playing every single game every time a company does something stupid? yeah... ok... nice logic... don't raise a voice to make the game better... stop playing your favorite game... that will help... (that is called sarcasm in case you don't get it...) Innovation is not anything that is new... innovative is something that is not thought of before and is actually working better than the previous versions... with your logic I could make up a champion that is an assassin/healer/mage/brawler and call it innovation... that's never done before... so why not? it's fun... then I would make a tank/ADC/assassin and call it innovation again... wow.... what a GREAT idea... let's do that... and go on and on and on and on... and then my game would be utter crap because the balance is torn to shreds... yeah... you should look up the term innovation... also not be blindly supportive of everything someone gives you and never ask questions as to why this is given to you and what is the purpose of it's existence... In short... there are rules... there are patterns... there are ways to make up classes in every video game... if you break them you make up balance problems... it's video gaming 101... I've been playing video games 20 years now... there is a reason this pattern exists... because when you break it you mess up the game... each role plays their part in the game... you can't have people that are able to do everything... a support is a support... a support can be also a slightly underpowered mage with CC... but a support can't be an assassin... because an assassin is a KILLER... a support is supposed to be able to CC and help the team but be underpowered in the KILLING SECTION... VIDEO GAMING 101!!! EVERY SINGLE GREAT VIDEO GAME IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND INCLUDING LEAGUE DID THIS AND HAD SUCCESS!!!
Breakhz (EUNE)
: i wanna see that...because evryone says crit is garbage now.And its truth.
I don't know... crit seems ok to me... I mean you still get to 100% crit chance with the right items...
TTekkers (EUW)
: I agree that Klepto is a major balance issue, but Ezreal has been obnoxiously strong all season compared to other ADCs. Is that because Ez is strong or his runes/items are strong or other ADCs are weak? That's another issue, but the fact is Ez is really strong, and nerfs were justifiable.
I just hate the fact that "I have to play klepto"... it gives no options... it's like it's mandatory and I hate that... I mean there is barely any room for creative thinking... same with Muramana... without it Ezreal can't function... any other build is just inferior... other ADCs have a lot more options and choices to make... Ezreal is like "just take these items and these masteries and shut up and play..."
Breakhz (EUNE)
: So they make adc unplayable. I mean the only good adc is {{champion:145}} .And {{champion:81}} is just a decent pick. The rest adc are struggling like hell right now. So nerf ez soon kaisa..and adio adc.Apc incoming.If i remmeber well kaisa scale with ap so a lot of people go ap too xD
Nah, I just played Cait and that Stormbringer item gave me insane dmg early... I went 6/0 like nothing... I still had huge dmg... just the endgame of ADCs is a little weaker but still pretty good... I don't think ADCs are that bad right now... as for APCs yes, they are very strong... you're right about that
DYR (EUNE)
: Cuz he's the highest pick/ban rate ADC at the moment in high elo with kai'sa ?
Well, that doesn't change the fact that they have ruined Ezreal... he's just a crap champ that is good ONLY because of Klepto... so I can essencially play one build with one set of masteries on my favorite champ... great...
Shiwah (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=I will obliviate,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=fAl1bcag,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2018-06-03T12:17:22.264+0000) > > Also, my dear Emissary friend... your fun facts did not answer my question at all... I'm sorry, was there a question? Because if it's the one in the title: yes, Pyke has been developed to be a support due to the "death is the best CC" meme. Heck, Morgana was developed as a midlaner, but nowadays if you pick her mid you get called a troll, so... If it's your complaints about how OP Pyke is: again, he was hotfixed last night, so whatever videos you saw are no longer valid. If it's your complaints about the quantity of champion: again, directly addressed already.
My whole post was on ONE AND ONLY ONE POINT... Pyke is an ASSASSIN/SUPPORT!!! That's all... and that... SHOULD NOT EXIST!!! Assassin is the complete opposite of support... an assassin can't be a support... if you want a champ for Talon and Zed mains to play support then newsflash... THEY JUST DON'T LIKE PLAYING GOD DAMN SUPPORT!!! Because Pyke was made exactly for that... his ult kills give the full gold credit to the ADC too for the assist... so he's a champ for those greedy assassin mains that want to take all the kills and never play support because of that... Lastly, death is the best CC when it's done by the damage dealers of the team... not by a one shot support... supports are there to SUPPORT the team... not try to go penta... if now we're trying to penta kill with supports then this game has gotten to it's all time low... every single multiplayer game has a support/healer class... and in all those games the supports/healers are not a lot but they are played by certain people that enjoy it... and all those games are fine with it... they understand that supporting is not for everyone... only League has tried to force support role on everyone by making supportive champs with ridiculous dmg so that the players that only want to kill would play support... I am ADC main and I hate waiting a long time in queue because no one plays supp... but I prefer a better game with a longer queue to a game that has no rules and roles anymore...
Grimmrok (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=I will obliviate,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=fAl1bcag,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-06-03T12:09:19.690+0000) > > I said... I watched youtube videos on him... and he seems ridiculous... But have you tried him yourself? >his skillset is an assassin that plays support... why an assassin would EVER play support? An assassin that was designed as a support. His lack of wave clear, extremely high CDs and low AD scaling on skills are hindering him in other roles. >If people don't like playing Thresh for example which is the most fun supp to play, then they will never REALLY play support... Well, man, that's, like, your opinion. I play support a lot, and Thresh is very, very rarely my choice of pick. >the solution isn't to make a "Talon supp" champ for them to play support... because they're gonna take him mid jungle or top anyway... these people will NEVER play support... accept it RIOT Who said that Pyke was made for those people to play support more? It allows support players to play differently than usual, and also allows assassin mains to try the support role. Pyke wasn't made exclusively to get those Talon players and what so ever to start playing support. _________________________ It's pretty clear that you have no idea what you're talking about, but instead you're throwing a fit because you don't like the diversity that this game offers?
Diversity doesn't mean I can make whatever the hell I want... an ASSASSIN is the the complete opposite of a SUPPORT... an assassin pretty much plays for himself... he goes in when he thinks it's best for him and he runs away when he wants to save HIMSELF... a support is the complete opposite... an assassin/support champ should not exist... I am tired of people thinking video games can be made without rules... there are some basic rules on a good video game... assassin and support don't mix my friend... it's the same reason Xayah is OP when she's played good... Xayah is essencially an assassin and not an ADC because she pretty much deletes her opponent in 2 seconds... but she also has the sustained dmg of an ADC with her AAs... if you want distinctive roles, you need to have champs that fill them... not all around champs that can do everything... Now, you're not every good with words... > "Who said that Pyke was made for those people to play support more? It allows support players to play differently than usual, and also allows assassin mains to try the support role. Pyke wasn't made exclusively to get those Talon players and what so ever to start playing support." That is the definition of a champ that is made for Talon mains to play supp... because of course they would NEVER play a Tresh, a Taric, a Leona, Janna, Lulu etc... they need a killing machine to be fun for them... not exactly a support... Lastly... does anyone read a post anymore??? What I said in my post is ridiculously simple to understand... I didn't say Pyke is OP as hell... I didn't say Pyke can't be beaten... I said PYKE IS NOT A GOD DAMN SUPPORT!!! HIS SKILLSET IS AN ASSASSIN AND YET HE IS MADE TO BE A SUPPORT... WHY WOULD ANYONE MAKE AN ASSASSIN SUPPORT??? IT'S JUST STUPID... not to mention that the assassination ult of Pyke gives the full 300 gold to his ADC just for doing a single AA... which is just another way of saying to Talon mains... "play support dude... now no one will curse you for KS... take all the kills dude... it's good..."
: first of all "thresh is the most fun sup to play" . That's not a fact, that is your opinion. Having multiple types of champions for a role doesn't hurt the game. That's like saying : Remove Assasins because if someone won't play [insert favorite mage here] then they wont REALLY play mid. And for like the 100th time on this forum : he sucks for every other role but support. (Maybe jungle, but even that is a stretch considering he gets bullied hardcore)
What I said is ridiculously easy to understand... Thresh is by far the most active support in game... meaning it's the most skillbased supp... he's not Sona, Soraka, Janna, Lulu... now if mid lane and top lane mains don't like Thresh, they will never play support... so don't give them an assassin support... they will see him as an assassin and not a support... that simple... assassins have no business being supports...
Rioter Comments
Shiwah (EUW)
: Fun fact: Pyke was hotfixed just last night. Fun fact 2: Riot has already decided the quantity of champions that they will release.
Also, my dear Emissary friend... your fun facts did not answer my question at all... so all you did was be a smartass without any kind of smart in your comment... if you want to be a wisecracking smartass at least try to be smarter than the one you're talking to... otherwise you're just pathetic... I wrote this just because I didn't like the way you answered... I'm not an imbecile and I know what I'm asking and why... ok? good... now we can be friends dear... *kisses*
Shiwah (EUW)
: Fun fact: Pyke was hotfixed just last night. Fun fact 2: Riot has already decided the quantity of champions that they will release.
I said... I watched youtube videos on him... and he seems ridiculous... his skillset is an assassin that plays support... why an assassin would EVER play support? If people don't like playing Thresh for example which is the most fun supp to play, then they will never REALLY play support... the solution isn't to make a "Talon supp" champ for them to play support... because they're gonna take him mid jungle or top anyway... these people will NEVER play support... accept it RIOT Also, would you please enlighten me oh wise one about the quantity of champs they're gonna release? Because at some point they have to stop releasing new champs and work on the balance of this god damn game...
Rioter Comments
bococro96 (EUNE)
: Who cares about {{champion:75}} , {{champion:83}} is the new evolved Nasus and he's the entire game a bully,not like Nasus which is in the Mid and Late game a bully. Btw. it also takes more skill to play Yorick. Yorick is Powa. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} .
At least Yorrick has a limit to his scaling... Nasus has none... but you're right on that one... new Yorrick is ridiculous... the biggest bully in game
: Filthy adc mains and their overly skilled champions *stares at Rageblade Jhin*
I'm sorry but ADCs need one skill that no other champ needs... positioning... that's why all mid and top mains that try to play ADCs suck with them... having to AA from a distance while being in the perfect position to avoid CC and assassins jumping you is not easy... so don't tell me ADC is a braindead role...
ShanksFX (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=I will obliviate,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=988Qaney,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-04-05T15:10:11.064+0000) > > Jesus... doesn't anyone read the post? I didn't say he is broken or unbeatable... Hm.. *looking at your first post* >Also, don't tell me to ban him... that's not an excuse for having a broken champ... when you have broken champ, you rework him.. you don't say to all the players "just ban him instead of your actual counters..." :thinkingface: Edit: Or you just change your first post, when you get called out on your bs. Classic :^)
I rewrote the whole thing because my point wasn't that he is OP... my point is that his skillset is BRAINDEAD... people kept answering me on how he is not OP and he can be countered... I know that... so I rewrote it... to make my point CLEAR... now you can be a douche all you want... Bye... DOUCHE
: > [{quoted}](name=I will obliviate,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=988Qaney,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-05T21:26:27.568+0000) > > When a champ isn't picked it means a champ is not easy to win with... Pick rate and win rate aren't that much related to eachother. A champ being too outdated for league is usually a combination of pick and win rate. There are enough strong champions that are barely picked, and enough highly picked champions that have below average win rate. >if you want to be honest about it... most people playing LoL don't care about fun... they have implanted in their brains that winning will somehow earn them the respect of the community... like they're pros or something... that's why most picked champs in my Elo are Zed, Yasuo, Katarina, Yi, Nasus, Darius... all of them offering a chance to get very easy kills (except Yasuo which offers that if you start well)... for example Katarina if you get a 3/0 lead, then you go into braindead mode and make that 3/0 into a 10/0 like it's nothing... just go in there and collect the free kills with the ult that most of the time will kill your target faster than he can press the key for the CC... > What does naming champions that are strong in your elo have to do with this subject? > The only challenging champ people play a lot is Lee Sin because he is so incredibly cool that everyone loves him and it's fun even when you're dying a bunch of times... look at Xin Zhao... he was reworked a bit, right? In my Elo he is now almost never picked because it's not that easy to dominate with him anymore... he needs a bit of skill to do it... the old Xin when he built off-tank with lifesteal he was so easy to play that people loved him... why did they stop playing him? They didn't like the champ or the idea of the champ... they liked the easy playstyle... > Good thing that you psychologically analized every single one of those players, I'm sure your assumption is based off credible sources. Oh wait, never mind. > Not many of us have mains because we like the champs (I do... I mean Ezreal pretty much sucks nowadays after the nerfs to his early game and the nerfs to klepto... but I still play him) A lot of people main champions because they like to play them. > but we are the most disrespected players in all of League because we actually seek a fun game... > People who main champs they like playing aren't looked down upon, it's usually the opposite. Whenever I see someone flame based off main in the thousands of games I've played or watched someone play, its usually towards people who actually do main champions that are considered overpowered, quite the opposite of what you're saying. > I guess being older does make me different than kids nowadays... I remember playing games on PS1 and PS2... games that some of them were ridiculously hard to go through... while now, most games are story based and very fun to play because of the graphics and emotion you can put into them, but the gameplay and going through the game is so easy that you play it only for the story and nothing else... kids now seek the easy way out... they don't like playing the game much... they like winning more than playing... when they lose a couple of times with a champ they never touch him again... And a useless and wrong generalization of 'kids have a wrong mentality towards games'. Unless you are a psychoanalyst you should stop making these assumptions and statements, as they are completely wrong.
Where did I say that psychologically analyzed all the players??? You are nitpicking words to make your point... also I answered to your comment that had to do on why they reworked Irelia and not Nasus... As for the wrong morality towards games... yes it's true... think about how hard it was to go through Resident Evil on PS1 and how easy it is to go through it now on PS4... just an example... there are many others.... the only game I remember it being exactly the same through the years is Metal Gear Solid because the concept was one that didn't allow them to make it easier... but every action game I've played has gotten easier... Tomb Raider was one of the hardest games to go through and needed you to think out of the box... the new Tomb Raider is easy as hell and you just breeze through it... When you give people easy games you make them assume they are better at it than they are... for example I know I'm not a good LoL player but you find tons of Bronze and Silver players that think they should be in plat... people have gotten used to easy things in games and they like it... I'm not gonna continue the conversation on the rest of the subjects... most people main the champ they have the biggest winrate on...
Ian San (EUW)
: Nasus is insanely easy to beat in lane and isn't much of a problem late game either. If you can't do that just start playing him. You can't beat them jojin them I guess
I don't want to learn how to beat Nasus... I know I have to kick his butt early... my problem is that Nasus is a braindead champ... he has 0 skill and champs with no skill should not exist... every champ should take some skill to play..
: > it takes 0 skill to play Nasus... you do nothing but smash Q all game long until the Q key is destroyed and you either keybind the skill to another key or buy a new keyboard... a champ like this with a skillset so ridiculously stupid should not exist... {{champion:11}} {{champion:23}} intense right clicking. So,should we remove trynda and yi too? By the way,why shouldn't an easier champion exist in the game? (I do not agree with you that nasus is a 0 skill champ but let's put that aside)
Easier and braindead are different... Garen is easier... Poppy is easier... Yi is easier (you still have to use your Q with good timing to avoid CC because you die very easy if you get stunned)... Darius is easier... Skarner is easier... Shyvana has easy skills... Sejuani is easier Trynda and Nasus are braindead... Trynda just splitpushes all game long because no one can 1v1 him because of his ult and is pretty much afk in top lane all game long... and Nasus is afk farming and all he does in a fight is walk around and Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q... there are plenty of easy champs to play... but easy and braindead are not the same...
bococro96 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=ChaseDaCookie,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=988Qaney,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-04-05T17:04:19.997+0000) > > {{champion:11}} {{champion:23}} intense right clicking. > So,should we remove trynda and yi too? > > By the way,why shouldn't an easier champion exist in the game? > > (I do not agree with you that nasus is a 0 skill champ but let's put that aside) Ye boi dont forget to remove the entire right click bot lane. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
You really compare ADCs to Nasus? An ADC has to be positioned PERFECTLY all game long.... he dies in an instant... and you think it's as easy as playing Nasus.. go play ADC and then talk...
: > [{quoted}](name=I will obliviate,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=988Qaney,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-05T15:34:20.914+0000) > > Who said I like Veigar's skillset? Veigar is another champ that should not exist... or rather Veigar's ult and passive should not exist... why does RIOT think champs like that have a place in game? People cry about Syndra... Syndra take skill to be good with (that press R death button is pure crap... you need a good 6 spheres to execute someone with it and you need to hit a stun and Q or something too)... Veigar is the only champ that has a REAL death button... I've played enough veigar to know you'll rarely even get over 1k AP in a regular game. Even then a true one r oneshot is rare. I don't hear you complaining that he's useless without stacks either... And I've also played enough syndra to know she kills someone a lot easier than nasus and as easily as veigar > Champs that scale to infinity are just STUPID... all champs should have limitations... also if a champ scales to infinity, RIOT should at least have the decency to make his death button a skillshot so I can at least avoid it without Zhonya's... AD champs don't have Zhonya's and are just dead meat in front of Nasus and Veigar in late game... {{item:3026}}? {{item:3156}} ? The anti-AP rune? {{sticker:sg-lulu}} You don't read all the items, do you? Nor do you complain about their atrociously bad damage early game... > Anyway... the point is that Nasus takes 0 skill to play and has a completely idiotic skillset... it makes no sense to keep a champ like that around... they reworked half the champs and Nasus still here pressing Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q... come on RIOT... can't you start from the stupidest champs in game? RIOT says they want to make the game more exciting and interactive... Nasus is the complete opposite of that... Nasus is quite one-sided yeah, but that's his identity. Leave him to farm? stacked. Learn to finish games faster and coordinate with your team better. Also. Even if nasus was reworked. His stacking mechanic would stay ;) It's so iconic. Even sion's max hp stacking stuck around. Veigar even got more AP stacking on his soft rework. Learn that certain champions have certain identities that are very nieche and easily played against.
I've gotten to 1.4k Ap with Veigar when I was forced to play him in ranked (I am ADC main and when you have to play another role in ranked you need an easy way out)... You want to keep Nasus' stacks so bad? put a cap in them... max them out... I mean max them at 300? 350? 400? I think that's enough dmg for his Q... he doens't need more... a 400 stacks Nasus uber-tank is very good as it is... why does he need more? If you maxed out his Q you can keep his stacks... As for the rest of his kit... he needs a change... his slow is ridiculous (99% I think on max level) and it's not even a skillshot... and his E is a field AoE that is ok I guess... his R is again a no skill ult... What I mean is that he needs ONE skillshot... something he needs to land to be able to do his dmg... and for the stacks I think they need a max number... put that number wherever you want 400-500-600... just put a cap somewhere... infinity is a bad idea for a video game... When I say he needs a skillshot, let me give you an example... the new Swain is much more OP than Nasus actually... but if you're really bad and you never hit E, you are useless... you can't use his kit at all... with Nasus, you just walk near someone and everything is on click... so you can't be bad even if you try... or rather you have to try REALLY HARD to be bad with Nasus
: well since yi can 1 vs 1 him at any stage of the game even late your wrong and then theres {{champion:45}} that can legit 1 shot your adc yet you dont talk about reworking him nasus is a fun champ to play you said you never played him so how would you know if he was not fun to play?
I've played him a few times... I never play him means I don't like to play him... Did I say Veigar isn't a cancerous champ? of course he is... when he presses R and just deletes your ADC and instantly wins the game for his team in late game... Yi, can 1v1 Nasus... but at least Yi can die very easily in late game... one CC skill and he's dead... Nasus is a big bulk of health that takes A LOT of dmg to bring him down... also Yi has limitations... Nasus can keep scaling to infinity because of his Q... so at some point I'm pretty sure he can 1v1 yi because he would kill him with 1 Q... champs that scale to infinity like Veigar and Nasus shouldn't exist... put a cap to their stacks... like when Nasus reaches 300 or 350 stacks (maybe more... but he needs a max number) he maxes out... that's it... no more stacks... he has enough dmg for a huge tanky juggernaut... why does he need more? You do realize the problem with Nasus and Veigar...
: Its easier to whine about champions being "op" than learning how to play and understand the game isnt it?
I didn't whine about him being "OP"... I said he is the king of stupidity... his skills are braindead... champs with 0 skill should not exist...
: And he isn't telling you how to beat nasus. He just stated his Pros and Cons, but you assumed directly that he is telling you how to beat him. Nasus mechanics are easy to master, noone is disagreeing with you. In the same time, he is very easy to kite and weak early game. If you can't survive early game with nasus (which is the hard part), you're a bad one. If you manage to do it with a good number of stacks, all you have to do is press Q late game. See what skills are required to play nasus now? A good waves management, and decent map awarness.
Well, I think that all champs should have some mechanics to master... Nasus has no mechanics at all... explaining Nasus skills is like talking to a baboon... in circle... more dmg... out of circle... less dmg... kill with Q... more dmg... I mean, come on... every champ should have ONE skillshot... something he could actually miss... for example as an ADC main, I hate Annie... not because I die to her... I stay the hell away from her and I don't... but because I can't even AA her since I get into her range to do that and she instantly deletes me with her on click skills... a good example of what Annie would need is Ryze... his skills are on click but his Q is a skillshot... he needs to keep landing his Qs though to be dealing the amazing dmg Ryze can dish out... but at least to do that dmg, Annie has to pick items for dmg... Nasus doesn't even have to do that... Why does a champ that picks items with 0 dmg in them can do a penta? it's like saying I would do a penta with Garen full tank.. or with Darius full tank (and I don't mean last hit 5 people with ult... I mean do most of the dmg)... tanks and dmg dealers should be separated... you can't have both... either build tanky or build for dmg... Anyway, I think that every champ should have at least one skill shot... something he has to hit to be good... a good example is Olaf... his skills are ridiculously easy to use, right? But he has to keep hitting the Qs to keep slowing the enemy and chase him... it's a fact... a good olaf never misses a Q while chasing... a bad one misses a few and misses the potential kill or messes up the gank... There is no real way to mess up with Nasus except being so braindead that you walk around like a zombie with no brain... I don't mean Nasus can't be killed or countered... he can... but no champ should be this braindead... Even Yi has to time his Q well to avoid CC... make nasus work for his meals a bit...
Seph80 (EUNE)
: Hey "I will obliviate" Can i say something? After reading most of your posts i feel that your more pissed the f*** off since they reworked Irelia then Nasus beeing a "0 skill" champ. You mention it all the time. We got it the first time. Dont be angry cause they changed Irelia so you need to relearn her m8:)
Man, I NEVER played Irelia... I played her like in one normal game every 2 months or something... the new Irelia is OP as hell, the ult at least is... I don't mind that Irelia is reworked... what I am pissed about is that Nasus still exists and he is the king of stupidity... the stupidest unskilled champ in game... honestly I am ADC main so I don't even see him in lane... but a champ that literally does nothing other than AFK farm all game long and can take a penta kill by smashing one button Q Q Q Q Q all the time and without buying a single offensive item is just stupid...
Eratos (EUW)
: Yes he is unskilled champ.Its truth.But he needs to scale and you can abuse him early pretty hard so....Evry champ have his/her weakness.
I didn't say he doesn't have weaknesses... I said that no champ should be THIS unskilled... I mean, you should be able to do a couple of things right to play a champ... with Nasus just AFK farm all the time until you're a monster and try to counter the ganks... that's all... if that isn't boring, then what is??? and people pick him like crazy because he is easy... because in reality people don't care about having fun... they want to win and think they have earned the respect of the community... like it's street cred... the only simple champs I ever liked were ADCs like Ashe that you actually need to learn to position yourself well... so it's a very hard skill to learn and it makes you have to think on your feet all the time... Also, the second point on Nasus is that champs that scale to infinity (Nasus and Veigar mostly since Cho Gath and Kindred do that with kills and it's harder) shouldn't exist... all champs should have limits... you can't have a numbers game (Every video game is a numbers game) and have something with infinity next to it... math doesn't work that way...
: He actually completely redos his thread, lol. I guess some individuals can't handle beeing called out on their logical flaws.
I tried to make a point in the thread.. it didn't go through... so I rewrote it to make it CLEAR... nice to see how much of a douche someone can be...
: When a champion isn't picked its usually a sign said champion isn't enjoyable anymore and thus not good for the game. When champions are often picked and mostly loved by people there isn't a lot of reason to rework them. Maybe you should actually think about some of the straightforward things that are involved in reworking a champion instead of just complaining about it without actually giving valid data, sources or actual logic.
When a champ isn't picked it means a champ is not easy to win with... if you want to be honest about it... most people playing LoL don't care about fun... they have implanted in their brains that winning will somehow earn them the respect of the community... like they're pros or something... that's why most picked champs in my Elo are Zed, Yasuo, Katarina, Yi, Nasus, Darius... all of them offering a chance to get very easy kills (except Yasuo which offers that if you start well)... for example Katarina if you get a 3/0 lead, then you go into braindead mode and make that 3/0 into a 10/0 like it's nothing... just go in there and collect the free kills with the ult that most of the time will kill your target faster than he can press the key for the CC... The only challenging champ people play a lot is Lee Sin because he is so incredibly cool that everyone loves him and it's fun even when you're dying a bunch of times... look at Xin Zhao... he was reworked a bit, right? In my Elo he is now almost never picked because it's not that easy to dominate with him anymore... he needs a bit of skill to do it... the old Xin when he built off-tank with lifesteal he was so easy to play that people loved him... why did they stop playing him? They didn't like the champ or the idea of the champ... they liked the easy playstyle... Not many of us have mains because we like the champs (I do... I mean Ezreal pretty much sucks nowadays after the nerfs to his early game and the nerfs to klepto... but I still play him) but we are the most disrespected players in all of League because we actually seek a fun game... I guess being older does make me different than kids nowadays... I remember playing games on PS1 and PS2... games that some of them were ridiculously hard to go through... while now, most games are story based and very fun to play because of the graphics and emotion you can put into them, but the gameplay and going through the game is so easy that you play it only for the story and nothing else... kids now seek the easy way out... they don't like playing the game much... they like winning more than playing... when they lose a couple of times with a champ they never touch him again...
: > There shouldn't be champs that take 0 skill to play That's just wrong. Also Nasus doesn't take 0 skill to play. You need to have gameknowledge on how to farm, when to farm, when to sacrifice farm, when to engage, when to disengage, how to freeze and or properly push the wave, when to pressure. Not a single champ takes 0 skill to play. > Garen is hard to play next to Nasus That's wrong again. There are new players every day, bronze 5 people should also be allowed to pick champs they're comfortable with. Not every champion has te be "Azir". Simple chamions are important for the health of the game. If there were only mechanically intense champions, I would stop playing. http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=player3th0mas Take a look at my top champs.
Between Nasus and Azir there is a CHAOTIC difference... I agree with the existence of some easy to play champs... but there is a difference between easy because the mechanics are easy and easy because there aren't any mechanics at all... I mean, for example, if you want to play a tanky champ top there is Garen (very straightforward and easy to play) and there is Gnar (takes a lot of skill to be a good gnar)... the problem with Nasus is that come on... farming with Nasus is not even a skill... after the first 50 stacks, last hitting with Q is so easy that even a 2 year old can do it... and farming is the only skill you need... besides that all you need to know is "don't go 1v5"... even 1v3 in late game, Nasus has a good chance of winning if he can get to a squishy with W quickly... What I mean is that Garen is very straightforward but also has great limitations which make him very easy to counter... What I mean is that if Garen uses flash and Q on a squishy he will take something like 20% of his HP probably? Nasus will take 80% of his HP... while having 0 offensive items... also, he and Veigar are the only champs that profit from farming after 6 items (that alone makes him a cancer for the game.. being able to profit at a time when no one else does)... Champions that build for defense and can do pentakills shouldn't exist... I'm not saying I lose to him... I'm saying the logic behind him is wrong... or at least he should be a hard to play champ... not a brainless Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q... At least when you play Yi you need to have good reflexes to time your Q to avoid CC... Nasus doesn't even have that... no reflexes... just walk around and Q Q Q Q Q Q Q while in ult god mode... and like that's not enough... his Q is an AA and Nasus has a built in ridiculous lifesteal... why? Make him buy the god damn lifesteal... that way he won't be building full tank and doing pentas... Anyway, there is a ton of things wrong with this champ... and I think all champs should have at least a little skill buried into their skillset... For example Olaf is an AA based champ, right? but he has to hit the Qs for the slow... so if he misses one, he has a problem... he is easy to play for sure... but at least he has one skillshot that the user needs to land to be good... with Nasus, the dmg is pretty much on autopilot... no need to know anything... just keep smashing Q...
: That's your opinion, and you're entitled to have one, but the balance/design team doesn't need to take that into account as they probably know a little bit more about the subject than you.
The balance/design team never changes anything as long as a champ is picked a lot... Irelia didn't get reworked because she was the worst champ in game... Swain didn't get reworked because he was bad... they got reworked because no one was picking them except maybe Swain mains and Irelia mains... we've seen that a thousand times... the times RIOT touches popular champions is when they change something in their kits to make them even more overloaded (example... Katarina that now jumps about 20 times in every teamfight and her passive with the knives makes her do like 3-4 of her old Ws in 5 seconds if she wants... another example is Talon's E with free wall jumps again and again...) I know it sounds harsh, but RIOT never touches champs for the good of the game... they only see the pick rates... that's because unfortunately there aren't any better MOBAs around since the only ones that are exciting are SMITE and one other that is 3rd person view (can't remember the name) but they are both even more unballanced than LoL... so the monopoly has made RIOT not care at all about making good choices... they have a good base for the game and they win because of that... which has made them complacent and that shows...
: well, what's the point in whining if you're not looking for a way to beat a completely easily beatable champion? Nasus isn't opressive and it's clear that if you let him get thousands of stacks that he'll %%%%ing steamroll on you 1v1, but he still can't 1v5, especially when your team is half-competent. Irelia was reworked because she didn't have a clear place in the game, her kit was outdated and it was better for overall healt of the champ. Nasus? He's always been and always will be the mele counterpart to veigar. Ironic how you're not crying about him too.
Who said I like Veigar's skillset? Veigar is another champ that should not exist... or rather Veigar's ult and passive should not exist... why does RIOT think champs like that have a place in game? People cry about Syndra... Syndra take skill to be good with (that press R death button is pure crap... you need a good 6 spheres to execute someone with it and you need to hit a stun and Q or something too)... Veigar is the only champ that has a REAL death button... Champs that scale to infinity are just STUPID... all champs should have limitations... also if a champ scales to infinity, RIOT should at least have the decency to make his death button a skillshot so I can at least avoid it without Zhonya's... AD champs don't have Zhonya's and are just dead meat in front of Nasus and Veigar in late game... Anyway... the point is that Nasus takes 0 skill to play and has a completely idiotic skillset... it makes no sense to keep a champ like that around... they reworked half the champs and Nasus still here pressing Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q... come on RIOT... can't you start from the stupidest champs in game? RIOT says they want to make the game more exciting and interactive... Nasus is the complete opposite of that...
: Your opinion means very little seeing as youre silver 5 eune. Hit dia with nasus then come back here and tell me he has no counters and requires zero skill.
Fine... my opinion means nothing Elo nazi... then don't answer to me...
: With decent team work nasus is not a problem at all. His mechanics are very easy and straight forward but you need to survive laning phase and you need good map awareness to time teleports/split push. Don't get me wrong, he can become a monster in late game if nobody contests him but it usually does not take too much to stop nasus - cc and a decent carry is already enough. He suffers from the same problem as Garen...kiting. QSS removes his slow and pretty much every ADC can deal with him with a little help of his team (or even solo vayne etc.) if he doesn't get in melee range.
Again... I'm not saying I can't beat Nasus... what I'm saying is that Nasus is THE STUPIDEST CHAMP IN GAME... it takes 0 skill to play him... smashing Q Q Q Q Q Q Q all game long until the Q key is broken and you need a new keyboard... and yet they reworked Irelia, a champ with decent skills, good mechanics to play her well and no need for a real rework... and Nasus, the king of stupidity is never even considered to be touched by RIOT...
: And he takes 0 skill to beat. What's your problem?
There shouldn't be champs that take 0 skill to play... Garen is hard to play next to Nasus and that says a lot... I can beat him on top... but a champ with the stupidest skillset of all time still exists (Nasus) and they rework champs with decent skillsets and mechanics like Irelia... makes no sense...
: Play jungle, gank nasus 2/3 times early, gg for game
I didn't ask for tips on how to beat him... I know how to do that... What I am writing is that Nasus has the lowest skill requirements in game... he needs literally 0 skill to play him... he needs a rework because EVERYTHING about him is stupid... his infinite stacks, his mechanics (If you can even call those mechanics with the stupid skills he has...) Meanwhile they reworked Irelia (another super OP monster now... I played her) who was a very decent champ that had good mechanics and needed skill to learn how to play her... but Nasus, the stupidest champ in game remains the same... makes no sense... they even reworked WW because his on click ult was stupid and that's ok... why not Nasus... everything about him is screaming "Stupid champ... rework" and yet they have no intention of ever touching him...
: >they can't kite you no matter what they do unless you're so ridiculously unskilled that you step into 2 or 3 caitlyn traps... Marksmen are not usually meant to 1 vs 1 a Toplaner. And in teamfights Nasus is not the reason why you can't kite or get peel. >I don't care if Nasus can be countered or not... I don't care if a Nasus wins or loses... >Also, don't tell me to ban him... that's not an excuse for having a broken champ... when you have broken champ, you rework him.. So, you don't care if he's broken or not, but he is broken? Ok. >when he has enough stacks he still dominates... I mean come on! Yep, That's the definition of a lategame champion. I claim your frustration limits your comprehension of champion designs.
Jesus... doesn't anyone read the post? I didn't say he is broken or unbeatable... I SAID HE REQUIRES 0 SKILL TO PLAY HIM!!!! Champs that require ABSOLUTELY 0 skill to be decent with them SHOULDN'T EXIST... it's simple... his design, his mechanics, his whole existence with the infinite stacks is plain stupid... but RIOT prefers to rework a decent champ like Irelia that had very few flaws instead of the stupidest champ in game that is Nasus...
: nasus is not broken "broken" would be galio when he was 1 shooting people with a q nasus is easy to counter pick Darius and destroy him or Illaoi and destroy him some more lots of champs counter nasus if played right and you do need skill to play nasus im a m7 nasus i dont play him much any more im a vel koz otp now but you need to be able to control the minion wave know how to set up a freeze and when to push when to go for kills how to last hit all this is a must to play nasus at his best i see to meny nasus players not knowing how to control waves and push 24/7 just to get shat on by the enemy jgl a bad nasus will have 100-200 stacks at 20 mins when i play him not sure if this is the best amount of stacks but i always hit 400! but enough of nasus just counter pick him or get your jgl to camp him early levels and he is gonzo i picked vel koz into him and zoned him from cs safe to say he was 100% useless that game so no he will not be getting nurfed or reworked anytime soon other champions are having reworks like {{champion:84}} <--- this champ will be broken 100% after rework
Read the post... I didn't say you can't beat him...I said that even if he is 300 miles behind you, he is still relevant as long as he is sitting under tower and farming... late game he will still be a monster Also, he needs a rework because his skillset is pure stupidity... champs with no skill should not exist... Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q is not skill... you have to be braindead to like playing like that... Yi and Garen feel like pure skill next to Nasus and that says a lot... that's why he needs a rework... not because of being OP... his late game is cancerous... but still... I hate him because he's stupid... not because he's OP (which he is late game... since no other champ is nearly as powerful in late... not even late game champs)
: Main him and hit rank 1 eune then.
Read the post... not only the title... I THINK HE IS BORING AF AND STUPID... SO I DON'T PLAY HIM
Rioter Comments
MadEclair (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=I will obliviate,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=UpBI5Gkx,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-03-21T17:04:24.587+0000) > > I disagree with the fact that swain can one shot squishies WITHOUT ULT... that if I got hit by 1 E!!!! I would be dead at any time... it's too easy... just shoot E after E until you hit something... that's not skill... just probability... Any fed champion can oneshot squishies without an ultimate. Not to mention that you were Sivir. A champion that has integrated a spell shield into their kit. Even if Swain was fed enough to kill you only by his basic combo consisting of E and Q into your face, then you have tools to avoid either a grip or a follow-up damage. And even if you're bad at juking, just get QSS. > I've played against SYNDRA who was fed and she couldn't one shot me without ult... Then you've played against very bad Syndra. > he's the ultimate teamfight weapon and too easy to dominate everything... I don't care if pros beat him in LCS... we play too and we're not Faker, Bjergsen or whatever you want to put there... You don't have to be Faker to buy Executioner Blade. It's basic game knowledge you don't even have to have, because you can deduce it from pure logic _(I'm playing against champion that heals alot -> are there items that could reduce healing?)_. In your another post you claim that you didn't buy it because "you had to carry" even though healing reduction would allow you to kill him easily than any flat damage/crit would since he's both tanky and has good sustain. It was your mistake and because you didn't use tools game provide you to fight one certain mechanic, Swain was able to dominate your team. It's not the game's fault that you chose not to take the best route possible to combat your opponent. > the old Swain was a fine champ... he was good as a tank mage and you needed a strategic mind to maneuver in the teamfight... He was a walking type of champ with easy to pull off combo. There wasn't one strategic thing about him. This is why he was changed. > want me to remind you of the WW rework fiasco that now he chases you with 300 miles per hour and you NEVER get away? You don't have to because people whine about him constantly. Sure, he is a strong pick and has strong mid game. But an OP one? Not really. > but of course I'm a noob that doesn't deserve an opinion... You have every right to have an opinion but that doesn't make it valid.
I can buy executioner's... but when I am the fed carry of my team I need to rush my Essence Reaver and Phantom Dancer first... I can't stop building them because then the enemy ADC will catch up... after them, yes, I can buy it... but my problem with Swain was way before that... Swain's E Q combo is even easier than his old one... also, no, you're wrong... to be a GOOD Swain with the old Swain you needed to pick your moments, be very good at hitting your root and use your ult without overdoing it and dying... not the ULT gives you so much power, survivability and dmg that it's not even funny as a joke... you're a walking death dealer... I don't get it why there should be a champ that you have to move away from him while he ults... I mean, there is Tryndamere ult... but at least tryndamere's build is paper... he's practically a melee ADC with no death button... he is annoying as hell, but at least I kite him easy and kill him... Swain has range, not to mention that huge range W to make you move wherever he wants... WW, is not OP overall... but he is ridiculously OP in jungle clear and early-mid game... he can get so far ahead with his free kill ganks that you can't even touch him... if you manage to survive for 35-40 mins, then ok, you win... out of all the reworks, the only one I think is a good one is Poppy who is now a legitimate tank instead of that ridiculous ult that you did it on the supp and got a pentakill... They reworked Katarina and gave her about 3 times the dmg she had before... now her old W is a passive that she can do 3 times in 2 seconds... and W was her biggest dmg skill besides her ult... they reworked Talon and now he can jump over every single wall in the game with literally 0CD... just don't jump over the same wall twice... big deal... LeBlanc rework was good too, ok I give them that one... Also, they rework Swain, but not a joke champ like Nasus who makes no sense at all... if he gets ONLY TANK ITEMS, 0 offensive items, he can still do like 50% of the team's dmg in a teamfight with his Qs that do like 600-700 dmg each with 1sec CD while he is in ult form... why don't you rework that???? simple... PEOPLE PICK HIM!!! HE IS OP AND EASY TO WIN WITH... he's surely no fun to play and boring as hell since you do NOTHING all game long... just Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q... but why rework a champ that actually needs a rework... let's rework Swain and make him so OP that people pick him... Urgot needed a remake, ok, sure... I agree he did... have you seen his dmg? I don't know his skills well since I hate playing as a blob of mashed meat, he has a terrible animation, but I've noticed that with tanky items he has huge burst... people suddenly pick urgot... People want OP champs, not a balanced game... they want less chance to lose... not to get better at playing... and RIOT gives people what they want... they want their dope... so they give them doped up champs... like this Swain... a champ that is easy to kill everything with and hard to die...
MadEclair (EUNE)
: Well, let's sum this up: * None of you bought healing reduction. * Vel'koz, who lost against Swain I presume? bought Spellbinder for no reason at all. Don't get me wrong, it's a good item when you have the lead. Not a good item when you're losing and you're immobile nuker that can't spam his skills that much. * You describe situation where Cho'gath tried to body block the projective from Soulflare or whatever his re-cast on ultimate is called. You don't engage on Swain when he pops his ultimate. You run away and engage when he's most vulnerable - when his ultimate is on cooldown and he can't contribute as much into the fight. It's 120-60 second window depending on his build. More than enough time to engage. Not to mention that you were Sivir, probably best marksman to perform strategic disengage in the entire game. A free MVS aura for entire team. I'm not surprised the Swain in question destroyed you. He didn't even have a heavy CC team to combo with.
I did try what you say and I don't disagree with that... I disagree with the fact that swain can one shot squishies WITHOUT ULT... that if I got hit by 1 E!!!! I would be dead at any time... it's too easy... just shoot E after E until you hit something... that's not skill... just probability... I've played against SYNDRA who was fed and she couldn't one shot me without ult... why can Swain??? It just doesn't make sense... he's the ultimate teamfight weapon and too easy to dominate everything... I don't care if pros beat him in LCS... we play too and we're not Faker, Bjergsen or whatever you want to put there... I'm not being paid to play to be able to dodge 30 skillshots at once and still do dmg... also, the old Swain was a fine champ... he was good as a tank mage and you needed a strategic mind to maneuver in the teamfight... but they changed him, why? Because people didn't pick him because it was hard to get 30 kills with him... now it's SUPER EASY... well done... great... another amazing rework (want me to remind you of the WW rework fiasco that now he chases you with 300 miles per hour and you NEVER get away? Maybe the Yorrick fiasco that now he kills you from far away with his ghosts and he still has a Nasus Q if you get close?)... If you want to have a one shot champ, he should be dying easy... you can't have a tanky monster one shooting people left and right... it's absurd and doesn't make sense... but of course I'm a noob that doesn't deserve an opinion...)
MadEclair (EUNE)
: Bingo. Not even Morello.
I'm sorry, but how the hell does this make his dmg fine? If a Malzahar can't one shot me, why can a Swain? If a Syndra can't one shot me without ult why can Swain??? Sorry but it still doesn't make sense... I didn't have time to buy Executioner's because I was still trying to complete the first two items, the core... I know how to build against healers... but when you're fed, trying to carry for the team is important...
Rioter Comments
: I feel like playing Ashe against Nasus is no good idea, since he can just w you. xD Which takes a lot of your movement speed and basically also all of your attack speed.
if you use the Bork+Cleaver build, you can shred him pretty fast and the slow helps a lot your teammates to kite him easily
Saibbo (EUW)
: Well try it for your self no?
I have tried it... read the thread... I've tried all the builds and they all feel weak as hell... even when I don't get focused it takes me so much time to kill people in teamfights that it just feels bad...
Cheini (EUNE)
: just play her supp in lower elo, and a hard-rekter adc in higher (like fajerk mentioned, competitive play).. her damage is quite good, however it is over a prolonged time - 4 attacks till she can start flurry, and _then_ she gets her boost - over a huge period of time (so for a second or two, it is still quite low). If there is an adc with a finisher, like xay's E/R-E, kalista's E, jinx's R, even draven's R or initial buff (Twitch/Kog) - she would finish her dps quicklier (and after she uses it, it will go lower). Ashe, however, needs to fight for a loooong time till that happens - her q is sustained dps and zero burst. Also, she is more about saddening the enemies by out-running them - that slow is even worse than zilean's E, _however if she has a good team to defend her from dashers_. Am thing which doesn't happen in lower elo... yet, if she isn't focused or is focused thus the adc can deal enough damage without problems, aka playing supp, she can make the enemies feel Real bad. After all, if you are out of range, what could you do? :d And then we go to her E. Not like anything. I remember how Clairvoyance was the spell that i picked every single game. How i miss it.. Oh wait. :d Her R. Global stun. K ty sry. All in all, she is a great adc or as in a more supportive role - if you and your team know what you are doing. That is, when you know when she wouldn't work best with the team comp. And, on the other hand, when you have Cho... If you preff to go rambo however, it would be a little better if you pick an adc with a finisher.
Well, I just played a game where the enemy bot lane was pretty troll (Jayce ADC...) and I started with 2/0 and I was 50CS ahead... so I should be great, right? WRONG... first team fight... I build my Q and use it... the Q ends... I already have Runaan's and IE so I'm hitting 3 guys... not even one kill... the only build that makes her at least a little viable is the Bork+Cleaver build... but then her slow is very little because it needs crit to go up... anyway, she feels REAAAAALLY bad... I mean come on, even cait who is not the ultimate hyper carry like a Twitch or Kog or Jinx does more than 2 times her dmg in team fights... I get it that she does less because she has CC and I respect that, but she does so much less that she's useless 99% of the time... all I'm good for is to hit my ult on the right person... And this feels so bad because I think that Ashe's kit is one of the most fun kits in LoL because it's so realistic... it has no weird skills that make you go "come on..." but an ADC should be an ADC... if the ADC can't carry, then what's the point... just give her more dmg in some way (her AA's, her empowered AA's... something...) to make her do enough dmg to be a real carry (not a hyper carry) because every game I start great and then I just feel so bad because everyone else is scaling better than me... I mean in late game Bard with full support items can one shot me pretty much... if a support can one shot me, why the hell me (the supposed carry) have to take 3 hours to kill anyone? And I say all that because I truly think that I'm a good Ashe for my level of play... I always do great in lane and then get outscaled by every ADC no matter which one it is... I think that her crits should at least do 150% dmg instead of 100%... I mean everyone else is doing 200%... give ashe players a chance...
: Broken in competitive? I´ve seen her played one game and that was against cait cause she does well against her in lane.
Yep, I agree... we NEVER see ashe in competitive anymore because she can't burst people down... that's why right now the godly pick in competitive is Xayah... they want burst... Even Sneaky who is one the best ADCs in the world and Ashe was his main for years never picks her anymore... if they want initiation with ult they opt for Varus... So, ashe really sucks hard in all gameplay tiers right now.... just give her some goddamn damage to make her more viable... I know she is good at CC but still, why play an ADC that can't carry even when she is fed as hell? And if the game goes to 30 mins you're dead meat because when the enemy ADC gets his 3rd and 4th item he will outdamage even your full build... In reality the only situation where I like Ashe is when they have champs like Darius, Garen, Nasus (juggernauts) that I can kite them so easy and slowly bring them down... but other than that, Ashe doesn't reward you even if you're quite good...
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=revengingangel,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=NalsPKPq,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-02-13T15:46:43.807+0000) > > Here&#x27;s a better question. What made you suddenly so afraid of her? I was playing almost exclusively tristana for the last 2 seasons while I was learning the game and she was never this popular and the only thing that changed in her kit was a buff on her Q to increase it to 7 seconds from 5. > > Nobody thought she was a threat back then with almost exactly the same kit. She still gets deleted in seconds. Unless you happen to have your ult, W jump and flash all off cooldown then you&#x27;ll still get destroyed by that Rengar, WW or Udyr if you over extend. Your R buys you a few seconds or so, nothing more. You&#x27;ll still get eliminated by a Z under the turret. She&#x27;s not got great damage or range early game so is incredibly easy to zone away from the farm -- which she needs to be any kind of threat late game. thing is that the game is now focussed around mobility and Trist is the perfect example on how to abuse that. W jump on relatively low cd and with CD reset, long attack range and increasing, and if someone even manages to get to u press R and blast them away. now its basicly impossible to kill a Trist in lane if she only has a little bit skill cause shes just to safe. as adc and support if u see opponent pick Trist u can basicly sit afk at your tower and just farm for 20 min cause nothing u do will get her in trouble in the laning phase.
Even then you will lose, because she outscales you unless you're Twitch or something... you have to punish her somehow because she's too strong after 2-3 items
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