: > [{quoted}](name=L1on,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RNKGsMOs,comment-id=000100020001000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-22T14:48:15.521+0000) > > It is practically the same as saying to someone you are an idiot and getting expelled out of the country for that. Oh boy, I hope you're not serious about that. Homophobia and racism is considered hate speech. Calling someone an idiot isn't. If you seriously don't have the capacity to understand as to why that is, then you should probably just leave the internet altogether.
IT WAS AN EXAMPLE YOU CAN PUT %%%GOT FOR ALL I CARE, that is the problem, you are looking in to every word too much now that idealism at its finest.
: > [{quoted}](name=L1on,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RNKGsMOs,comment-id=000100010002000100010000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-04-22T14:46:48.104+0000) > > or maybe i was just using the instrument %%%got, how can they know, they just dont see the context. maybe i said L1on: my fvorite instrument is. *Pause* L1on: %%%got. Good thing it's called a bassoon. And you clearly didn't say the word in a way where it could possible be understood as an instrument. If you use it as a way to insult someone, something you admitted to doing, then it obviously isn't meant as an instrument. And even if it has a really specific unused meaning, you still shouldn't use it. Because you know it's a homophobic slur, and the vast majority would understand it in the way of that homophobic slur, simply because it's the most common and generally used way the word is used.
For you it is called bassoon. For me %%%got since in Latvia bassoon is "fa g ots"
: > [{quoted}](name=L1on,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RNKGsMOs,comment-id=000100010002000100010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-22T14:45:35.257+0000) > > What can you do, its the east side my man. There are different type of communities in the world That doesn't mean you can bring the terrible ideology if your community elsewhere. If you are that misinformed that you think homophobia is tolerated wherever you go, you should either get a little bit more knowledge or just don't leave your community at all. Coming to this community you should leave behind homophobia. If you can't, you're not welcome, that's simple.
Who said it is tolerated? I am saying that the communities are different, every homosexual would take that as a insult in our country, its just u are more likely to be hated everywhere.
: > [{quoted}](name=L1on,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RNKGsMOs,comment-id=0001000200010000,timestamp=2018-04-22T14:43:35.359+0000) > > RULES? rule2342: dont say %%%got. Yup, not saying homophobic slurs is a rule. You're learning faster than I anticipated.
It is practically the same as saying to someone you are an idiot and getting expelled out of the country for that.
: > [{quoted}](name=L1on,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RNKGsMOs,comment-id=0001000100020001000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-22T14:40:29.920+0000) > > Haha, where i am from in our country most people are "homophobic", and because of that 99% arent "homosexual". Because homophobia exists there are people not coming out for their choices, now that's something to laugh about and be proud for. If you honestly think homophobia is tolerable just because people in your country behave a certain way, then just stay where you are and don't come spreadingit elsewhere, seriously, we don't need it.
or maybe i was just using the instrument %%%got, how can they know, they just dont see the context. maybe i said L1on: my fvorite instrument is. *Pause* L1on: %%%got.
: > [{quoted}](name=L1on,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RNKGsMOs,comment-id=0001000100020001000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-22T14:40:29.920+0000) > > Haha, where i am from in our country most people are "homophobic", and because of that 99% arent "homosexual". Because homophobia exists there are people not coming out for their choices, now that's something to laugh about and be proud for. If you honestly think homophobia is tolerable just because people in your country behave a certain way, then just stay where you are and don't come spreadingit elsewhere, seriously, we don't need it.
What can you do, its the east side my man. There are different type of communities in the world
: > [{quoted}](name=Turtles Are Okay,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RNKGsMOs,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2018-04-22T10:49:12.718+0000) > > Are all emissaries wrapped in a bubble? > > If someone hits you in the face on the street, you don't just sit idle, you hit them back and call the police. If you hit him back while he's still trying to hit you, it's self defense. If he hits you once, leaves, and you decide to follow him to bring payback, it's not self defense. Flaming someone who flames you isn't related to this, however, because flaming someone doesn't protect you from his own misbehaving, it only makes it so you both break the rules.
: > [{quoted}](name=L1on,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RNKGsMOs,comment-id=00010001000200010001000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-22T14:32:45.865+0000) > > I disagree that one word should be a reason for perma ban, all my wasted time in to this game lost for one word, i mean i AM sorry and i would NOT do that again and so on but no one seems to care about others. Homophobia is not tolerated anywhere, and that's simply common knowledge. It's different from other insults, and is thus treated differently. If you honestly think saying a word like that while getting away with it like it's the same as "idiot", you should really inform yourself. You really shouldn't even be thinking about using a slur like that in the first place, before being sorry afterwards.
Haha, where i am from in our country most people are "homophobic", and because of that 99% arent "homosexual".
: > [{quoted}](name=πET,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RNKGsMOs,comment-id=0001000200000001,timestamp=2018-04-22T14:29:56.333+0000) > > False. Another person with bad intentions can still hurt you by trolling you in so many more possible ways. > > Since freeze (AFK) and flight (ragequit) are not an option the most irrational natural response to being verbally attacked in League is to verbally attack back. Rationally you can decide to use the mute button, but players are not robots. They have emotions and when they feel attacked, irrationality takes over. Basic knowledge about the human psychology dictates that makes sense. This is unfortunately something Riot seems to fail to see or they deem it too complicated or expensive to use in the judgment process of unwanted behavior. First of all, yes, there are other ways of hurting someone and ruining a game than flaming, but that doesn't mean anything. Simply because muting doesn't help in this scenario doesn't mean it's suddenly 'self defense' to flame them. Flaming them doesn't solve the problem, hence it's not allowed no matter what situation you are in, there are no circumstances where flaming someone and breaking the rules will solve the issue you are facing. Seeing how little of the community actually gets banned for toxicity, it's more a sign that most people manage to control their emotions in an online environment. It's not about having humanity, it's about being able to behave decently even when slightly frustrated. And if someone in an online game upsets you so much that you can't do anything else than unload your anger on him and consequently breaking the rules, then you obviously shouldn't be playing this game.
There are different personalities you know, you can be attacked and you can cry for all i care, but i would go and atleast hit him for that, its just how agressive i am.
: > [{quoted}](name=L1on,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RNKGsMOs,comment-id=000100010002000100010000,timestamp=2018-04-22T14:23:34.160+0000) > > By the way we are talking about ONE SINGLE word, most perma bans are atleast consisting of 2 games with more than even 3 words that are worse than i used. one word should not be taken so strictly to ban away my 5 year old profile.... Everyone seems to be so smart about the words i use. By the way you are not only arguing but you are also defending the guy that started all of this by saying something offensive to me in-game for no reason. How am I defending anyone? Saying that homophobia isn't (and shouldn't be) tolerated isn't defending anyone. I don't support the volibear in your game to be toxic, if he were to be banned and post it on the boards I wouldn't support him one bit. But I'm not talking about him, I'm talking about you. Homophobia is not tolerated, hence you don't need to show it in multiple games before you get punished for it. It's called zero tolerance, just like racism is.
I disagree that one word should be a reason for perma ban, all my wasted time in to this game lost for one word, i mean i AM sorry and i would NOT do that again and so on but no one seems to care about others.
: > [{quoted}](name=L1on,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RNKGsMOs,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-22T14:19:35.595+0000) > > You know EUW - EUNE are SO and i repeat SO DIFFERENT in the interpretation of words or slangs like fa%%ot, in EUNE its meant like a stupid person more than a sexual thing. That volibear probably reported me just for the calming down of his mind, nothing more nothing less. You can always assume why people report you, but when using a homophobic slur I doubt he reported you for no reason. It doesn't even matter what his intention behind reporting you was, you proved yourself to be toxic, and thus you got banned.
It might not mean anything to you since you have your profile and you are good and well.
: > [{quoted}](name=Montazuma,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RNKGsMOs,comment-id=0001000100020001,timestamp=2018-04-22T13:58:47.373+0000) > > Sorry, but I don't agree with your sentiment. > > Fäg is more often than not used to describe a male individual as femine, it's also used to substitute the word moron, idiot etc.., in other words, it holds very little meaning in reality. > It is more often than not (read: almost always) considered a homophobic slur. If you honestly think it holds no meaning in reality, then you're just misinformed and should work on that before you slip up. > In this case saying it's an attack on the homophobic community is stretching it to far, that's not the same as me not understanding what you are trying to convey, but this is a literal case of taking a single word out of a 1 line reply to 1 individual, and using it as being homosexual bashing, which is a totally different thing. The word is a homophobic slur. It was (and still is) used to express homophobia. no matter what your intentions were, anyone reading it would probably assume it's used for its common meaning: a homophobic slur. And since homophobia is by definition against the gay community (not homophobic community) , using it is exactly this.
By the way we are talking about ONE SINGLE word, most perma bans are atleast consisting of 2 games with more than even 3 words that are worse than i used. one word should not be taken so strictly to ban away my 5 year old profile.... Everyone seems to be so smart about the words i use. By the way you are not only arguing but you are also defending the guy that started all of this by saying something offensive to me in-game for no reason.
: > [{quoted}](name=Turtles Are Okay,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RNKGsMOs,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-04-22T11:14:27.325+0000) > > This. > > Everything in this world (company) started going down the wrong path, where you just can't do / say anything that might affect 1 out of a billion people. > > "Breathing? That's offensive to me, I'll sue you.". > > Jesus. "Breathing" and "fa%%ot" are not exactly in the same category. If you'd ask around I'm quite sure more than 1 out of a billion people would get offended by a homophobic slur like that.
You know EUW - EUNE are SO and i repeat SO DIFFERENT in the interpretation of words or slangs like fa%%ot, in EUNE its meant like a stupid person more than a sexual thing. That volibear probably reported me just for the calming down of his mind, nothing more nothing less.
: Don't listen to those dumb idiots in the comments. You did nothing wrong. The only thing that you did was flame back at someone. This should not be punishable. Riot's system is %%%%ed up and I'm still wondering how this game is still alive
You should see this too - https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/RNKGsMOs-perma-banned-for-defending-myself-against-a-toxic-player
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: Be lucky you only got a ban, not ending up on someones death note. Things like %%% are not tolerated no matter the context and are instant punishment.
: This is undeserved. Make a ticket. Riot, seriously, it's been a SJW playboard for quite a while, but really?
I made a ticket and they answered with this: http://prntscr.com/j8kuq8
: First of all, pro and idiot are perfectly fine words, you don't get banned for that. Hell, I have called people idiots dozen of times and never got banned, just be a civilized human being while telling them they suck. No need to get racist, homophobic or wishing death on them. Maybe he got a chat restriction. Would that make you more happy? And btw why are permabanned people still allowed to post on the boards?
Oh yeah its like all permabanned people arent humans right? We dont deserve to talk
Montazuma (EUW)
: I know context is being ignored, but cmon! This is beyond reason and logic, replying to a single person with the phrase '%%%got' at the end of the sentence, is _obviously_ not an attack on the homosexual community. It's like taking a barrage of insults from a typical league player, then replying he has a mental defect and interpriating that as an attack on the mentally disabled community at large. Fair enough that context can't be taken into account like in disputes (He said she said), but this is just laughable..
Well "laughable" was an insult to me so should i report u and u get perma? like all i want to say in all of this that the punishment is not fair.
: How do you know he got away? Maybe he got punished too?
Nice joke, i looked up his match history he is still alive and well.
: you know the word you did use and should not completely deserved ban, you can defend yourself without a word like that
And he can get away with "%%%%%%, "pro", idiots etc."
GLurch (EUW)
: If this was a permanent ban, I'm guessing you already got a 14 day ban, which should have contained a clear warning that the next punishment will be a permanent ban. In your chat logs, you used words that are generally used to insult homosexual people. This may not have been your intention, however, that's how this word is understood by the community, hence why it gets punished severily. Neither the community nor Riot tolerates homophobia, even if this may not have been your intention. Sadly, the players you're playing with won't always understand your intention, so if you're using insults used to harass homosexuals, they'll guess you want to harass homosexuals. Please keep in mind this punishment is about your behavior, not the behavior of someone else. There isn't really anything like flaming someone back to "defend yourself". "Defend" means: "resist an attack made on (someone or something); protect from harm or danger." You're not protecting yourself from harm or danger nor resisting an attack; You're attacking back. Defending would be muting the other person and reporting them after the game and that's about the best you can do. Flaming someone back won't improve the situation and at most only make it worse. It may lead to misunderstandings within your team and the teamspirit within your team getting broken even further.
But i got 14-day banned 6 months ago, AND i did report him and mute him after, and he gets away with all of that he did, i got banned INSTANTLY after the game. I played sportsmanlike from season 3 until that 14-day ban, then played sportmanlike again and one game with 0 flame gets me a perma ban, it IS not fair.
JenShen (EUNE)
: Who told you you can defend yourself Who told you could argue You can't, end of story, the automated system say so. and yeah you cannot tell if someone bullis you too. Even if this is Perfectly normal communication (even though there are few spicy words), i bet alot of people will tell you how extreamly toxic you and your chat are :D
You should have seen the toxic guy's chat and he got away with it.
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