JellyDonut (EUNE)
: thats literally what ruined the game . not caring about what you have fun playing but what is meta and reworking champions based on the pros / patching things to make the game competitive got the fun out of the game. if you disagree i dont care i know im right
You can always play the game for fun no matter what. If you want to play it competitively doe, you gotta adapt to changes. Simple as that :) There is "meta" in every competitive game, depending on what was nerfed/buffed in patch. It's nothing new in gaming industry. I can suggest you to play offline games, if you like to enjoy them only, but don't like meta evolving/changing stuff.
: > [{quoted}](name=LCK Apdo,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=bMftjJZg,comment-id=00010000000100000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T16:02:00.143+0000) > > Cool, thanks for the informations, so I won't waste my money on Riot anymore. Now I see why Faker do not purchase skins. What a smartass. - Pros get accounts with everything unlocked - Faker doesn't play with skins only cause he prefers the consistency of the base models and VFX.
* Pros getting their account with everything unlocked isn't new thing at all * This is not a reason, Faker doesn't play without skins. He still is influenced by other players skins anyways. He didn't provide any specific reason in any interview or on stream what so ever on this particular topic. * If you were a smartass, you would understand last half of my post was meant to be a joke
: What Unreal moments/mircales have happened to you?
My biggest miracle that happened in league of legends was in season 8, when yasuo on my team was positive with KDA.
Backstard (EUNE)
: Actually someone is already on it...I was told that a part of Riots DB will be soon uploaded somewhere with all the proof you need...I don't know much about it but i'm looking forward for it.
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: Your top 5 champions in solo queue are Yasuo Zed Leblanc Kai'sa Vayne Litrally all of them are some of the strongest champions in the game right now. And you think Vi is broken? This has to be a joke LOL.
The fact he main yasuo tells me a lot about this post {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
: people don't care about how skill intensive akali is because every akali they fight is "skilled" I am yet to fight an akali that lands an E and %%%%s up that one shot combo yeah I might %%%% it up bc i suck at her but 99% of akalis who i fight don't veigar is not fair hes [insert a not very nice word that will get me banned here] so that assumption that u think i find him fair is on u
How are you even complaining about akali, when she got super nerfed {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} Zed can one shot faster than akali, level 6, and you need to hit everything. It's not like a reward without any work, like Ornndyr said, there are too many other ways to be one shot by champions that you need to click some buttons on and job is done. If you want to assassinate someone with assassin like Akali, you need to put so much effort into it. If you fail, there is a risk of dying. If you want to succeed, you need to execute it perfectly from mechanical point of view and timing takes role as well. There is nothing to cry about. Akali is outplayable, if you know what to do and when. It's just lack of experience imo from your side. Champion is not busted at all and is easily laneable against.
Hansiman (EUW)
: Yes? That's not using win-rate correctly. If I make an extreme example to clarify a point: Let's say I climb from Iron -> Platinum with a 87% win-rate, and the climb took me a total of 150 games. Now in platinum, I'm struggling to adapt and I have a 25% win-rate, with 15 games played. What is my total win-rate, and should I still be climbing when I'm obviously struggling? When you look at the total win-rate, you're also looking at the point where the player was climbing due to their personal skill. If they're "stuck", odds are they're placed where they currently belong based on their current skill.
I'm not talking about climbing, then performing worse due to higher rank. I put my opinion in here because I disagree with you that you will climb all the time with time period if you have above 50% win ratio. I put out here an option that you could be possibly stuck at. And that's it. Simple as that.
Hansiman (EUW)
: Win 2, lose 2. That's 50%, meaning you're staying put, not climbing.
But before you got there, you achieved 5 wins :) That means your win ratio will always be positive, no matter the circumstances in promos.
Hansiman (EUW)
: Now you're missing the entire point that Kurotsu is making: Don't focus on single games, but look at the bigger picture. If the player is stuck in the manner you're suggesting, then they won't have a positive win-rate over time.
You can be stuck at one division, with positive win ratio for the whole time. If you win all your games before promos and loose your promos, your win ratio will stay the same e.g. 55% because you will have to win 2 games all the time to get into promos, then loose 2 in there no matter the free win. So yes, mathematically there can be players that are stuck at one division with positive win ratio. I think it was in season 7 on my EU West account, where I had 53% win ratio and ended up lower than I was in the beginning of the season.
Hansiman (EUW)
: > Not in bo5 promos, don't forget about that. Oh? With a free win in Bo5, you only need to win 2/4 games. That's 50%. --- > I have some on my friendlist, that have 52-54% win ratio each season, yet they are same rank for multiple seasons. Because total win-rate isn't the correct way of looking at it. While climbing to the rank you belong, players generally have a higher win-rate than 50%. Once they get to the rank they belong, they'll be much closer to 50%, but their total rate will still be displayed as higher.
You did not get my point at all. Let's say he is gold IV 0lp. He wins 5 games in a row, with let's say 20 lp per each win. Then he loose 2 games in a row, which put him back and he has to win another 1 or 2 to be back in promos with a free win. Then he loose 2 of them again. His win ratio is still positive, yet he didn't climb at all.
: I'm up for him not being able to target structures BUT i want his ult to not be qss-able.
That's a good point, also I disagree on QSS removal however partly. It would be okay to use QSS and remove his R, while he tries to cast it on you - animation, so people with good reaction time get's awarded. It's however kind of douche bag move to be able to QSS while you are in it.
Hansiman (EUW)
: They do. You're purchasing the right to use said content for as long as the account is available to you. You hold no ownership to the skins you unlock. --- > SO if Riot decides to close the game, everyone get scammed? This is one of the reasons why account ownership would work like this, because it ensures that the game company still has the rights to make changes to the game, or ultimately shut it down if it's no longer sustainable.
Cool, thanks for the informations, so I won't waste my money on Riot anymore. Now I see why Faker do not purchase skins. What a smartass.
Hansiman (EUW)
: > You can win as many games as you want, but if you loose in promos, it doesn't move you anywhere. Hence you can even have 55% win ratio and be "hardstuck" Your MMR will increase, and you get free wins, up to a certain point, in your promos. For Bo3 promos with a free win, you only need a 50% win-rate to pass.
Not in bo5 promos, don't forget about that. Anyways, if a player wins all games up until promo and get a free win, he loose next 2 games and make it slightly above 50% win ratio, he still didn't climb. I've never seen anyone climb with 51% win ratio. These players are hardstuck. I have some on my friendlist, that have 52-54% win ratio each season, yet they are same rank for multiple seasons.
PhoPhoW (EUW)
: List of hypercarries
Let me give you an answer. Just form a quick peek on op.gg, I could not find games that you played Orianna in. So I could not tell anything to you about your build and so on. Checking you out quickly, your average CS per minute with her for you is 6, let's be honest here, if you had 7+, 8+ cs per minute, you would be able to carry the game. More resources you take, bigger you will be. Second problem is that on Orianna, such a safe pick and you die a lot. You can shield yourself, you can R enemies away from you if you place your Q properly. You can speed yourself up as well as slow enemies with your W. Orianna is safe pick into laning phase and monster late game, hence you can even decide if to deal damage and try to have that great R on enemies or peel your AD carry, while being safe in backline all the time. She can be played against any mid lane champion if played properly. You have an option to bully your lane with your Q and win almost every trade - therefore win laning phase, again if played properly. Don't get me wrong, but I'm 100% sure, Orianna as a champion is not a problem here. If you want really strong AP champion, Viktor is way to go. You can zone enemies with his W, deal a lot of damage and with build like Rylai's or Gauntlet slow down enemies and be in safe zone. But his kit is less safe than Orianna's one. If you die a lot on Orianna already, Viktor is not an option for you. I think you just need to change your playstyle a little bit, learn how to manage waves properly and how to freeze it, or learn how to manage lane so it crush into you before you recall. That way you can be safe all the time on mid and quietly scaling. Maybe invest a little bit more into vision, and you will see that death count will go down a bit and therefore win ratio up :).
: One Troll can cost You 3 Games
I've read only first half of your post, didn't read solution, but you put it out in really smart way, I like it.
Hansiman (EUW)
: > so basically if it's an own created account and you decide to sell , and not someone else account , you have the right to do that?? No. You do not own any LoL accounts. They are **all** owned by Riot Games. You are given temporary access to one for as long as it is available to you.
What about purchased made on your account. They do not own a content that has been purchased do they? SO if Riot decides to close the game, everyone get scammed? As you said about renting. If you rent a car, and you purchase let's say some flavour air freshener and hang it inside the car, you have all rights to take it back. If owner doesn't want to give it back to you, you can sue him.
Hansiman (EUW)
: Your MMR was high then for a Bronze1 player, which means you'll climb faster. Kurotsu is correct though, 51% is all you need over time in the long run.
I disagree. You can win as many games as you want, but if you loose in promos, it doesn't move you anywhere. Hence you can even have 55% win ratio and be "hardstuck", I believe that's the term people call these players. If you have above 58-60% win ratio on current rank you are in, you will climb.
Kurotsu (EUW)
: The nature of League is 5v5 competitive. People focus too much on one single game, but the true way to take League is over hundreds of games. You only need 51%+ winrate to climb. So those people that cant stand losing even though its inevitable always throw random blames and insults at each other to cover up their own mistakes. The worst thing you can do is react to it :) just wish them a nice day and ignore them for the rest of the game. In the end they will stay where they are, and you will climb up. I think that's what matters.
Actually not, if you want to climb, you need way higher win ratio. Imagine winning games, getting LP, then loosing games in promos. That doesn't move you anywhere. You need above 58-60% to climb from your current position.
JellyDonut (EUNE)
: yea i am but i still think every riot patch that changes a champions makes it broken
You gotta adapt to changes and get over it anyways. Faster you forget about ryze, faster you will discover the meta champions that are being used atm.
Eambo (EUW)
: Hey guys, Do you happen to be using Avast or AVG antivirus? We're aware of issues from a few days ago causing LoL to crash with these antivirus products - unfortunately while we've engaged them, they haven't gave much indication of a fix being planned for this :-( In the meantime the only advice we can recommend is to add League of Legends as an exception to your antivirus, or consider using another antivirus product until this issue is resolved.
Hello Eambo, I didn't have this issue what so ever from the beginning when it became a problem. Recently, today, I got disconnected from the game on EUNE server, then I switched to my EUW accs, and same happened there. I did not install anything nor upgrade anything through the whole period of time that bug existed.
Antenora (EUW)
: Hey man. I know a coach who does VoD reviews for LOL and Overwatch on his stream / discord for free. https://www.twitch.tv/reknyne His information is in the description box of his stream.   Here's a link to his discord server if you're interested in getting reviewed. https://discord.gg/eRttTUw   There's plenty of channels on the server detailing the review criteria and how to approach submitting a VoD.   I've tried him out and so have some friends of mine, his coaching is straight to the point no bullshit.
: Solo queue in a nutshell
I don't know why, but I find it funny {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: he got inhib 3 minutes before the game was lost tho if he were the reason you lost he would have taken the whole base trynd smashed sylas pretty much his whole contribution to the game roam advice can be helpful there is a very nice concept i learned while playing mid this season it's pushing the wave and exiting from vision this puts a lot of pressure on the map and likely in the elo you play would be respected even if your intention is not to roam i can try to find the video and you can try to incorporate that strategy in your play Edit: particularly the concept https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=digTckPxnFo&t=2m01s the video itself is really helpful as a whole but i advise you just do this particular concept
Pretty good video, thanks a lot
: doesn't seem like you got split pushed to defeat your sylas hard ran it down tho most comments on the game outcome you will get are going to be with hindsight if it makes you feel any better you played that game pretty well high cs high kill participation top damage output low deaths you lost both sides of the map and sylas was running it down i think it will be easier for you to keep up the consistency of that level of play than to dwell on why you lost it in particular
I don't feel bad about the game being lost, if I loose I try hard and loose smoothly, that won't make feel mad going into another game. In that game, enemy top lane was split pushing top and got inhibitor at one point of game. And I don't know if it was good decision to stick with team. I mean I know Orianna is the best at defending mid and not going side lane, but still I would like some opinions, if I could somehow influence the game flow, make it more late game so I could be even bigger and have better chance of winning that, or specific times that I could maybe roam/some valid informations, that could help me winning that game.
JellyDonut (EUNE)
: 9.5 kayle beating everything that exists , riot is like we need a patch to see if she is overpowered 9.6 we kinda tuned her down , she is still overpowered 9.7 we kinda tuned her down a bit more, 2 nerfs in still highest win rate in the game 9.8 hey she doesnt get passive levels from skill point potions from klepto her win rate became balanced what did you know , only everyone knew it but took as 3 patches. season 3 riot: kassadin is permabanned the whole season . we will not nerf this champion . 9.11 janna tahm get changed and look at that they are the most broken champions on their lanes jinx is the best adc the last 6 patches with 53%win rate. neeko is played as an adc top . riot is like look at the new champion we made we have time to rework ryze we will not fix any other issue , the issue is clearly ryze
You sounds like Ryze main {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
: I think Tahm does counter bruisers and melee champs in lane. But he falls off pretty hard mid to lategame imo. Personally, I'd recommend picking a ranged top into him (in my case I've been using Malzahar with Rylais to slow – glacial augment champs could work) which lets me slow and permakite him. Once I get Liandry's torment, that's when I start burning that toad alive.
Also Jayce/Ryze is good option.
Rioter Comments
: Hard stuck Platin IV - what can i improve to climb?
I would highly suggest you to adapt into meta. You can play GP well here and there, but you need to admit there are better champions than that. I suggest you to give a try for Aatrox, Ryze (until he gets patched) or Kennen in top lane. They are amazing for laning phase, their micro is great as well as they shine in teamfights. Your average CS per minute is 6.6 on GP, and 5 on any other champion. Try to aim at least for 7 CS per minute +. 8 would be optimal.
LCK Apdo (EUNE)
: Well, being plat 3 means you have some good game knowledge, but mostly about micro plays and not whole understanding of all aspects of the game. If they nerf duskblade, nothing is going to happen. You will eventually struggle more at early game, but eventually at late it wont affect you. If they would plan to make AD assassins useless they would had to remove duskblade completely as well as Edge of night. You will eventually grow to late game or you do not even have to build with duskblade. Duskblade nerf, I would not worry about that at your place... Edge of night and yomus are enough with combination of black cleaver and ga, you can build into that IE for high burst. Activate EdgeofNight and when you (zed as example) W + W and instant R adc, they cannot stunt you. Check best korean zed and his ad builds for ad assassins, or go for llstylish. Ive seen and even tried by myself builds with IE, PhantomDancer, Trinity, Sterak and a lot more combinations, it works against some teams. Duskblade can be replaced with IE (pure scaling damage) or Deaths Dance etc. When some AD assassins item will get nerf, give it 2-3 days for bronze/silver players to explore and find new build meta for AD assassins, which you will see using at high elo imidiately when they will see, what works. Adapt to meta ;)
And here you go, title says it all: https://youtu.be/yJDZsmei0TQ Added 10 hours ago.
: If you are an AD assassin main you need to support this!!!
Well, being plat 3 means you have some good game knowledge, but mostly about micro plays and not whole understanding of all aspects of the game. If they nerf duskblade, nothing is going to happen. You will eventually struggle more at early game, but eventually at late it wont affect you. If they would plan to make AD assassins useless they would had to remove duskblade completely as well as Edge of night. You will eventually grow to late game or you do not even have to build with duskblade. Duskblade nerf, I would not worry about that at your place... Edge of night and yomus are enough with combination of black cleaver and ga, you can build into that IE for high burst. Activate EdgeofNight and when you (zed as example) W + W and instant R adc, they cannot stunt you. Check best korean zed and his ad builds for ad assassins, or go for llstylish. Ive seen and even tried by myself builds with IE, PhantomDancer, Trinity, Sterak and a lot more combinations, it works against some teams. Duskblade can be replaced with IE (pure scaling damage) or Deaths Dance etc. When some AD assassins item will get nerf, give it 2-3 days for bronze/silver players to explore and find new build meta for AD assassins, which you will see using at high elo imidiately when they will see, what works. Adapt to meta ;)
Gebba (EUW)
: Depends. I once had a suspicion somebody tried to acces my League account, so upon contacting support they permanently banned my account until i proved my ownership and then switched email & password. Could be something else they perma-banned for but, that's weird man.
No, in these cases such as protection is account being permanently suspended, not permanently banned.
: fidddle xerath and lux were not meant to be played in the botlane
Karma, Annie, Velkoz and Zoe as supports you mentioned are completely fine, as well as brand. Their stats at support role has even higher win ratio then at mid (just zoe is a better option at middle). This is the meta, adapt to changes. It works, people use it. Even fiddle support/mid is such a thing, which came from Korea. However I personally do not like fiddle being picked, not even at his primary role in jungle. 50% of champs u named are without doubt an okay decision and pick for support role.
: Diamond 5
You are Plat 1 with 52% win ratio 200 games. Thats why you had trouble to keep up in Diamond 5 elo. You dropped to your actual skill level. (Not trying to be offensive or something).
Eraenis (EUW)
: That's not the point. Zoe is a champion that really only does one thing: Chunk you with a single spammable spell from far range, while the rest of her kit is kinda "meh". Nida was the same BEFORE HER REWORK. Just like Zoe she got nerfed multiple times because of it. Just like Zoe she was a permaban in any major tournament. Nida got reworked because that kind of playstyle was considered uninteractive and generally bad for the game. But with Zoe it's suddenly fine? That's what many people call bs on.
She doesnt burst champions with one spell. She actually have to use her whole kit to hit that Q + star passive AA. And if she come close with her R she always go back, cant zhonya in that, cant flash out of that, etc she is made out of paper and anything can kill her. Thats her kit. Every champion has its own kit and you basically do not understand that. When late game zed will kill you with E Q and one AA, under 0.5 second, will u go on forums and cry about that? No. Why? He is old champion. Adapt to meta son.
TheLynxMan (EUNE)
: You are just ignorantto facts we discuss about, and you try to fight me, instead of it.
Iam not ignorant and I do not try to fight you at all. You are less experienced than me overall, micro plays (played zoe at least 30 times like any other champion to understand their limits), macro, early and late game, gold advantage, objectives, everything takes a role at this game, meanwhile you focus on one champion that you hate for some reason, a champion that was nerfed and is completely normal and balanced. Like any other “OP” champion that was here before Zoe. Nothing is going to happen, get over that.
TheLynxMan (EUNE)
: None of thoose had such annoying things like CertailyT's "best" 2 champs, Zoe and Yasuo.
Oh really? You will forget CertailyT’s name after new adc coming up and learn new name of different designer who you will whine about on boards. People like you will never improve.
TheLynxMan (EUNE)
: Kha has cds longer, not to mention zed. They do not have cc, or range, true damage.
You basically do not understand what I said, it may be because you lack of skills and experience at this game. Wanna talk about CDR? Liss Q, instantly up, Viktors Q, instantly up, Veigar can spam Q and W all the time late game, and can actually one shot without R, with no CDR on Q and W. I do not see a point at your comment. Zoe’s CC is a skillshot so dodge it or take cleasne. Meanwhile you cannot dodge CC from TF, and he can CC you all the time without any cooldown. As I said you did not understand that every champion has different kit. Some have global map pressure with their ults, TF, Galio, Ryze, incredible for teamfights and early games, assassins one shot people withing second, sometimes even without ultimate, meanwhile Zoe has her build around Q. So if she doesnt land sleep, she cant do anything. If you get hit by her Q without getting stunned or getting hit by her bubble all the time, then maybe you should consider train dodging lmao. Every champion kit is interestinng and works in different way. Every champion is weak if he gets behind early and strong if ahead. Same applies for Zoe. I see you are that one person who cries about OP meta, when zed was insta banned all the time at ranked? Now? Barely, and he even get buffed with AD steal on his ult. There was Azir banned all the time, there will be always some champion people like will complain about instead of focusing on improving, getting out of low elo and actually understand the game therefor understand these comments about whining “OP” champions are irrelevant. Dont worry, new champion is coming out. Everybody will forget about Zoe and focus on new champ, like always.
TheLynxMan (EUNE)
: Have several accs, and dude i know how strong he is. But just check Viktormains reddit, and they will explain his problems.
Lmfao, I can say that as well, I have several accs, all challenger, just on this one Iam Diamond, normally Iam better! LOL! Viktor main from where, Bronze? No thanks. I know limits of that champion and how to play or kite with his kit.
TheLynxMan (EUNE)
: I played her, and i felt it is disgusting. I killed everything with ease. Destroyed turrets like a full build yi with morello and Lich Bane. Was masserace, not fun.
Lich Bane is built on Viktor, Lich Bane is built on Fizz, Lich Bane is built on many different champions, and yes, it dealts tons of damage to turrets. Hello, that's the item. I checked your profile, you have no records with Zoe being even played. If you say about Zoe this, how are you still in lowest elo possible? You would be Master tier wouldn't you? This is literally whining, nothing else. Adapt to changes, take it as advice.
TheLynxMan (EUNE)
: Well, yesterday we tested it we gave the champ to a total beginner who only lost yet in the game. He was just spamming all shit. Got a penta and 3x triples with a morello and a Lich Bane
Right now, Zoe is a problem only in pro scene/ and in soloQ - Diamond and higher. Because these people are more skilled and can use her kit really well. Meanwhile, I don't see Zoe as a problem in Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum. If mid doens't die to Zoe or he counter picks her, she falls behind and can't do anything. It's like every other champion. I could give to a beginner fizz, he would just spam everything and eventually get solokill at middle without any effort and from that point snowball the game.
TheLynxMan (EUNE)
: Yeah, but viktor has no rng in it. Viktor is math, zoe is rng and spam. Viktor is only that powerful in lategame, and have clear weaknessew that will ALWAYS there. Zoe can melt tanks, anipe from higher range and afterall deal more damage yet in midgame, with a morello + lich bane. She destroys turret with ease, that Viktor cannot do. Other burst assasins/mages have huge windows. Tanks are meant to be hard to kill, and have counters as clear as the sky. Kaltsta-Taric can be dealt with Xayah-Rakan can be dealt with even counterpressure. Yet theese are duos are meant to be more powerful than a single champ ALONE. And no, none of thos can lock you down and onehit from the fog of war. Most bullshit was released by CertainlyT. We know, he is the root of the "uniqe" scrapped and nerfed ideas that are brough back to be nerfed-removed again. Frustration intensified. All we do here is not crying. If we were, we would be like "rito plsss nerf this". We are just pointing out the problem an provide possible solutions.
Xayah Rakan, Kalista Taric in teamfights are best for duo bot laners, there is not a better combination right now. Multiple Korean pros said that. Yet, nobody cries about them. You saying Viktor is powerful only in late game? Play Viktor Mid with aery, you can poke enemy with your Q anytime, he will go back to base 3 times untill he reach level 6 lmao. If you play him with electr. His instant double Q with E followup can burst you down to below half HP. Without ultimate. Viktor has W, zoning ability for enemy and he can clean whole wave with just one powered E, meanwhile Zoe is build only around her Q. She needs to stunt, get large range and basically use everything to hit the Q, dealing same damage as assassing would without ultimate. I see your post as irrelevant. Khazix is stronger option than Zoe. Why is nobody complaining about that? In korea he is instantly banned. Why is that? If you can one shot adc/mid with zed with only WEQ and AA, without ignite, without ultimate, without any item, what is this? Every champion is good at something and has his pros and cons.
: Riots balancing team criticism by a diamond player
> Riots balancing team criticism by a diamond player Diamond player for 4 seasons, without any improvement over the 4 years, 50% win ratio, means something. Everything you described in this thread actually has simple answer why aren't you successful. It's simple reason, why you can't keep the pace of the game, cry about it and can't climb. You rather whine about changes, instead of adapting into the meta. Take this as an advice. {{sticker:sg-ezreal}}
TheLynxMan (EUNE)
: Your mentioned champs have windows abd cannot spam the combo every 10 sec
Luniya is right. Q is a skill shot. Without her E and R it's useless. That's how Zoe's kit works. Put late game Viktor, with full items and Lich Bane. He can literally spam Q every 2 seconds, and it's not even a SKILLSHOT while dealing tons of damage. In follow up with E and R, he can delete anything, yet he is not being played. There are champs that can instantly kill other champs, e.g. Talon/Zed/Fizz/Syndra without any effort, and even faster than Zoe. Why ain't you whine about them? Tanks have armor and are hard to kill, whine don't you whine about them? You are crying about normal champion, you should be worried about Khazix in jungle or Camille top or duo bot like Kalista/Taric - Xayah/Rakan more than Zoe middle. You can easily counter zoe with any assassin, who can one shot her or take Yasuo with Windwall. I could play any day, any time against Zoe, she is not a big deal. If she is behind, she is useless. So stop whining like a little lady, man up and adapt to changes and game. More champions will come, are you ready to cry and afterwards leave the game?? {{sticker:sg-ezreal}}
: Zoe should never have been made
Nidalee can have Kugar form, can jump over walls with W and deal insane damage with Q, and when tagged can pretty much one shot with Kugar form after that hit. She is designed for a different playstyle, while Zoe is designed for pure damage. She has nothing to escape with, only flash. Zed/Talon/Syndra/Yasuo/Fizz can either one shot her or dodge bubble. If you sh1t on Zoe, 24/7 push her in middle so she can stay under turret only and farm, while you are free to roam and get your team opportunities to snowball... thats how you easily win against zoe. If you do not like Zoe, start playing her. I tho her damage was insane and that she was broken, played her and made a "main" of her on my different account, so I could understand her kit, damage, builds, micro etc. She is not borken at all. She is easily outplayable, when she use R, she always go back to that, she cant flash while R, she cant use any item while in R, she can only throw Q or E in R animation. When she is behind early, she is useless. When she get ahead early, she can snowball game. If she is bad early and somehow with luck it gets into late game, yes she can one shot people, same as zed, fizz, khazix, talon and a lot more. So stop whining about this, adapt to that just for your own good. If you wont adapt to changes and will whine about everything like a little lady, you will eventually fall and loose way more. I could play against Zoe every game without any problems.
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: Only if seju doesnt show up.
Are you obsessed with seju or something?
: You are a casual player, you have no idea what you are talking about. Everything you said doesnt make sense you dont even play soloq.
Let me be honest here. You are out of meta. If you can not improve, you start whining about league like a little lady. Wanna improve? Adapt to changes and man up. Simple as that.
: "Climbing styles" which one are you? :D And guessing which one is the most effective. (Poll)
My opinion is that, if you play consistently, it doesn't matter if you play 10 or 2 games per day. More, better. If you always play with consistency and confidence, even if you loose, you loose smoothly and do not feel bad about that. After that you still have the same amount of confidence and if you try to play consistently, you will eventually win way more than loose. So basically if you do not focus on teammate mistakes, tilt from that or blame them, instead of that you can focus on enemy mistakes and punish them for that + focus on your own mistakes and eliminate them. Takes a lot of time and effort. You basically need to go into the game, that you are best player on the rift and do not try to play for elo, MMR or win. Play for improvement, you won't even register that and you will be 2 ranks or multiple divisions higher ;).
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: Pff seju kicks their ass
While khazix and camillie kicks asses all over the rift and wins the game ;)
: doesn't work on her E
QSS works, so you should play Zed or Talon, who can kill her in under one second. Also Yasuos wind wall is good for blocking her E or long ranged Q as well.
RazerX (EUW)
: Hm, I understand that, but that's near impossible in a teamfight where she will pop back into her team after doing tons of damage.
Go zed with QSS and easily put her into thrash can :3
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