VIT Laati (EUNE)
: You do realize adaptive force isn't equal to the same amount as AD?
you get 9 AD or AP depending of what you have more. But RIOT made it so you get on some heroes DEFAULT 9 AP even tho you got 0 (zero) AP bonuses. Its a problem with many champions. Certain champions, dont need AP at all. but they still get AP from RUNE's without buying a single AP item. In order to get your bonuses properly, you are forced to buy Doran's Blade or some other + AD item on lvl 1 or you will be stuck with useless AP bonus which you DONT NEED.
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HitYourHead (EUNE)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=HitYourHead,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=W1EXfgE5,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-16T17:05:50.371+0000) > > we can't hear you kid jumping the gun in here > https://i.imgur.com/gfDCdgQ.jpg Very constructive.
Breakhz (EUNE)
: again qq about a skilled champ..and just so you know {{champion:238}} is not that stong at all. Get armor...GG.get champs to counter zed like {{champion:90}} {{champion:105}}.Range pisses him off early really hard too. Get {{item:3157}} {{item:2423}} that evryone can have it.. You people qq because you low elo and bad players.Sorry i have to say it.
> [{quoted}](name=Breakhz,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=c7BqRsvv,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-09-16T19:41:43.435+0000) > > again qq about a skilled champ..and just so you know {{champion:238}} is not that stong at all. > Get armor...GG.get champs to counter zed like {{champion:90}} {{champion:105}}.Range pisses him off early really hard too. > Get {{item:3157}} {{item:2423}} that evryone can have it.. > You people qq because you low elo and bad players.Sorry i have to say it. Its not about champions who counter them. The point is in the design. If talon jumps on your ADC< and your ADC uses Stopwatch, Talon is left in a bad situation, and is very vulnerable. Same goes for Akali, for Fiz, for, 90% assassins. BUT than we got ZED and LB, who if they get outplayed, or fail to assassinate someone, they press ONE BUTTON, and are back to safety, perfectly safe and far far away. You can counter ANY champion with Stopwatch, or by picking some other champion. The point is, that when you DO, those champions are left vulnerable given that you messed up their combo, be it Initiation, assassination or whatever. But not Zed and LB. They will just teleport back to australia and avoid the punishment that they should get for getting outplayed. Don't forget that Zhonya is 120cd, while his ulty is 40-ish. He can literally, go into 3-4 people, ULTY on his target, bait that zhonya and than RRRRRR Back to Australia without being in ANY DANGER, YOU CANNOT PUNISH HIM IF HE FAILS!!! You wasted your 120Cd item, and he got his 1 trick pony combo in next 30 sec again. IF any other assassin jumped on you, except this two broken op ones, dived you in 2-3 of your teammates, and you used Stopwatch or Zhonya's They will be left wide and open, to be punished, for going deep and failing at assassinating. BUT ZED ?? NOOOOooo . You went in, you failed your whole combo, and than you just GO AWAY. With ONE BUTTON. Just LIKE THAT!! There is no counter for ZED. You cannot counter someone who you cannot punish. You can avoid getting killed early on, but the problem is, that he can roam and FAIL and even gank, with NO RISK. That is the problem. HE CANNOT BE PUNISHED like other ASSASSINS , like RIOT is selling their bullshit. ----"assassins have to make choice do they dive in for the kill or not, because if they fail they are left vulnerable" ---- This is what Riot said over 150 times, in almost every balance patch about assassins. And than they give ZED an option to teleport back to safety if he fails. They just shit all over the game. Zed;s got his "W" to use for either diving deep, or escaping, it's risk/reward spell. Do you use it to do more dmg/get kill or for escape. Becuase if you use it to go even deeper, and your opponent uses Zhonya, you are left alone in middle of enemy team, VULNERABLE. LIKE ALL OTHER ASSASSINS WHO WASTED EVERYTHING TO CHASE SOMEONE. BUt, ZED DOESNT. HE PRESSES R AND HE TELEPORTS BACK TO SAFETY. LEAVING HIM UNPUNISHED FOR SCREWING UP. Give VI, option to press R and return back to where she casted ulty from Give Tristana option to press W, and go back to where she casted jump from, without waiting to reset. Give KAISA option to press R again, to go back from where she teleported to you from. Give TF, Option to press R and go back to his original position 10 seocnds after TPing. Give FIZ option to Press Q and teleport back from where he charged you. Give Tahm Kench same And so on, and so on. That is what ZED is abusing all over the place. Imagine if any of heroes mentioned above got this ?? Its TOTALLY BALANCED 1000%. Kaisa, Jumps into you, Tries to kill you and if she fails, R back behind her team. No punish window, nothing.
VAHRKATAN (EUNE)
: ahh i like when people bash on zed... champion that is not even meta because half of the abilities counter his ult and other items i.e stopwatch/zhonyas lol zed is bad champion and if u think hes broken ur just utterly bad lmao smh
> [{quoted}](name=VAHRKATAN,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=c7BqRsvv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-16T18:09:49.314+0000) > > ahh i like when people bash on zed... champion that is not even meta because half of the abilities counter his ult and other items i.e stopwatch/zhonyas lol zed is bad champion and if u think hes broken ur just utterly bad lmao smh He IS broken beyond belief. And you Zed Fanboys can cry a river.
H1SD (EUNE)
: Have you tried getting champions who counter them?
> [{quoted}](name=3 D,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=c7BqRsvv,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-09-16T18:45:24.917+0000) > > Have you tried getting champions who counter them? Its not about champions who counter them. The point is in the design. If talon jumps on your ADC< and your ADC uses Stopwatch, Talon is left in a bad situation, and is very vulnerable. Same goes for Akali, for Fiz, for, 90% assassins. BUT than we got ZED and LB, who if they get outplayed, or fail to assassinate someone, they press ONE BUTTON, and are back to safety, perfectly safe and far far away. You can counter ANY champion with Stopwatch, or by picking some other champion. The point is, that when you DO, those champions are left vulnerable given that you messed up their combo, be it Initiation, assassination or whatever. But not Zed and LB. They will just teleport back to australia and avoid the punishment that they should get for getting outplayed. Don't forget that Zhonya is 120cd, while his ulty is 40-ish. He can literally, go into 3-4 people, ULTY on his target, bait that zhonya and than RRRRRR Back to Australia without being in ANY DANGER, YOU CANNOT PUNISH HIM IF HE FAILS!!! You wasted your 120Cd item, and he got his 1 trick pony combo in next 30 sec again.
: Maokai requiere more skill to play now, deal with it or pick an easier champion to play.
> [{quoted}](name=Deathraven13,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=W1EXfgE5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-16T17:54:09.993+0000) > > Maokai requiere more skill to play now, deal with it or pick an easier champion to play. Quite opposite, his kit is now limited to a MUST of W >Q or you can't even push people in direction you want. He is made much easier than what he was, and gimped too.
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