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SoloBean (EUW)
: Thanks for those useful resources. I posted a message myself but I only got low elo toxic comments. Sorry for coming out of the blue in your message but I'm really glad to have found your answer. Thanks a lot !
They probably didn't like the wording, dont mind. I'm glad my question was able to help other people as well! :D {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: how on earth did you get to d4 without understanding teamfights? I am quite frankly baffled I guess you should only force a team fight in mid or late game if you stand to gain an objective from it. Getting vision is also pretty crucial(especially to avoid getting flanked or for taking objectives). If the enemy is turtling you can just wander around with your team for a bit looking to catch someone out. Also some comps don't really need to or want to team fight. For instance with a fed split pusher you may just want to wait around till he either split wins the game or their team runs off and you can take a free drag/baron/tower.
Well i am a support main, for a reason. I can avoid having to learn to farm and more which would move me significantly down the ranks if i had to do(last time i checked i can do 60-70cs/10min). - Ever since i started playing the game i never learned to last hit, even when playing with friends and bots i always took fast aoe clear champs . As a support I always get my role and it's VERY simple. Help adc survive, VISION CONTROL. <- That's the key reason I'm D4: VISION CONTROL. If you look at my games you can easily see how 90% of my games I have top vision. - I never needed to learn anything else as i was climbing, but after some time I hit the impregnable D5(old ranked). Immediately after hitting it i went on a 12 game losing streak back to plat 2(old ranked). Which i must say was still quite the achievement going from high silver all the way to D4 in merely 3 months was quite satisfying. Despite having to stick to my self-imposed 10games/day grind. Now i'm back after a 6 month break to playing the game and i 'm quite rusty and doing a lot of mistakes, but am comfortably staying between d4 15-50lp(higher before break and having more fun playing . And i've been frequienting the forums reading stuff, i must say they and the community are more helpful then I anticipated. ::) - I hope this answers your question, why I'm d4 with subpar teamfight knowledge. :) -
: Man, not to bash at you or something, but you really think the problem in that game was {{champion:14}} while, well, you Mid, Top and Jungle went collectively 4/17? I would think twice about it. I'll say your team clapped itself.
Well, yeah i did say we got clapped. XD
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: You don't fight him 1v1 early. You expect him to invade, place wards, collapse. Play any of the following champs : Jax/Fiora/Rammus/Kindred/Morgana/Ashe/Vayne/Ezreal/Tristana, or anything with some CC like thresh/naut etc. Don't facecheck him. Press 4 from time to time. If you are a no escape champ and wander around in the jungle cluelessly, if you don't die to Udyr, you get 1shot by kha/rengo/eve etc. What were you doing there anyway ? Bear stance is trash, it takes like 5-6 casts to catch someone of the same base movespeed if he's 2 flashes worth of distance away. Simply use wards since he can't go through walls or do the zac E jump, and click away to your tower. You need to have less than 30IQ to die to an Udyr gank. If you have no wards, play safe. There, he's useless. Is he harassing your jungler ? Go 3v5 him. Bear stance is trash compared to all the jumps and dashes of the new champs. Catching an Udyr is easier than a kai'sa or basically any viable ADC. Play high mobility champs on all lanes, and he simply can't gank. (Imagine a Gnar + LB + J4 + Xayah + Rakan team). You need to play with your screen off to be able to die to an Udyr gank in that comp. He's an old and outdated champ. Again, his whole kit revolves around punching people. Nowadays everyone has 3 dashes, max HP true damage three hit passives / hybrid damage passives that you can't build against, multiple stuns, engages and disengages - hell even ADCs. He runs slightly faster than average and by the time he caught you, if you have more than 1 finger, you kited away 70% of his HP if you're not 2cs/min and 0/7. Then you just use your champ's inbuilt jump, and execute him with your true/hybrid damage 3hit passive. Play a tank CC jungler that locks him down, and has a decent clearspeed + better ganks. If he splits, engage his team 4v5 and end the game. If he splits well due to having a lot of damage, means he's squishy, send a CCbot + the ADC to him and kill him. Burn his flash, without it he is ZERO. If it's infernal drake, time his clear, since you clearly stated that you aren't silver, and buy a pink at your first back, put it in the pit. Rotate and kill him, what'll he do ? Run away slightly faster than you ? No, since you have 6 dash CC lock combos in a single champ at level 3 already. 3 man him at his blue when it spawns the 2nd or the 3rd time. Do you think he'll run away ? Wrong again. The half item ADC will kite him to 30% hp before he'll run slightly fast towards him and die in the process while the ADC jumps 2 flashes away + stuns him. There's a 50% chance he'll ragequit since he can't do shit without that buff. Countergank him (requires pressing 4 from time to time) and some 30+IQ plays from one of your laners. He might try running away a bit faster than average but thankfully you'll have your dash + stun in a single ability ready, and you'll catch him, before he casts bear 4 times in order to really get away, while running out of mana in the process. Is he 15/0 ? Ask yourself the following questions. Is he jax/fiora ? Is he a ranged manaless autoattacker that has an overheal shield, a bloodthirster shield, has a 2700 gold item that gives offensive stats + sterak passive + movespeed, while having multiple jumps, dashes, and CCs ? If the answer is no, you can lay back, relax, and laugh at him for taking all the gold instead of funneling it in the only class that's able to carry games and basically have any impact in league of legends - AKA the ADC. **** #HALF joke aside. He gets outscaled by pretty much any champion. The utility he brings to the game is near 0. He has the "poor man's nautilus passive" on his E, that's the only useful tool that he has while teamfighting. Other than that, Jax outscales him 10 times, in every aspect, while being able to fly over walls every few seconds. There are champs that can do actual ganks, instead of having to rely on the enemy brainlessly pushing without vision so Udyr gets 2-3 cheese kills and gets to an item. Kayn spins 2 times at lvl 2, he took Raptor camp. Udyr has to spend 50% of his HP WHILE KITING, and use 24-25 auto attacks on that camp, at lvl 2. And a f#$kton of mana. Kayn slides through walls on multiple abilities while healing. Has AOE self healing spells. AOE hard CC. Point and click healing untargetability that deals damage as well. AND HE'S NOT EVEN REMOTELY BUSTED. So why would ANYONE cry about Udyr for god's sake....the most basic champ design since the history of gaming. TLDR : You need a mouse, and 10% of a functional brain to be able to play against him. Source, I'm a masochist who played over 4K games on him, and is nearly at 2M mastery points. I feel useless on a daily basis, and this is one of my few regrets in life. Imagine investing this much time/effort in an actual champion.... I'd have gone far. Oh well.... I can still tilt people with no eyes I guess lul. And before you ask if I'm a little bit salty, yea, I am a bit. Investing 6 years in mastering a single champion, knowing every pixel of it, understanding every single powerspike, knowing at every second of the game what trade I can take and what I can't, while becoming totally obsolete, forgotten over the years, and powercreeped into the f#$king ground kinda pisses me off.
That was a lot more useful and detailed than any responce i originally expected, thanks! FeelsBadMan for the ending.
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Smerk (EUW)
: Well, in such situations you can't really do much, masterful engages won't help if your teammates can't react properly. So just stick to the player that can live for more than 1 second in teamfight.
Smerk (EUW)
: Be less of an engage tank and more of a defender. Stick to your carries and react to enemies engages. Also engage hard when they have their mobility spells down
What if the carry was a 4/7/9 vayne with 160 cs at 30min that despite having 4 items still got shit on in a 1v1 not to mention incapable of dodging skillshots and nonexistent in team fights? And the other carries had the habit of going "2v4 with OP irelia & akali vs rest" tactic. And rengar that couldnt assassinate anyone. Which carry should I stick to in that case?
VortexV9 (EUNE)
: Buy {{item:3800}} and use your ult smart ;).. Also you can predict with E or {{summoner:4}} Q
What if they were ahead and could cc and burst me before i could do anything?
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: God or script?
Im quite new to league so I haven't experienced a lot of situations like this. tnx for the feedback :)
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Riddarn (EUNE)
: It's not a stupid question. Riot are just idiots. The rune pages are hiding in the store under Gameplay -> Runes -> Tier: Show All How Riot ever managed to think that was a good placement is beyond me.
omg, tnx man :) i never would have thought it was there. Rito is inventing some next level logic here hiding the pages.
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