: Not sure why it didn't display a "reconnecting" or something like that; if you think you've made something foolproof, the universe invents a bigger fool... AKA catching/handling every possible software/hardware failure case just isn't possible. *Rolls back virtual machine test of a server install script at work to a previous snapshot since laptop wifi decided to reconnect in the middle, leaving the system in an unclear state.* And about "invasive takeover": I mentioned that because unless the client machine and all hardware inbetween it and the server are fully managed by the server's company, a multiplayer server should never ever trust what the client claims without verifying. In the case of a disconnect, the server has no way of verifying at all what the reason is, so _has_ to assume the player is intentionally disconnected, since if it gives the benefit of the doubt, that will be abused. I had an unintentional leave/not getting into game a short while ago: DNS seemed to somehow hickup on looking up the game server after champ select ((cached?) other hosts worked fine) and ended up needing to reboot my laptop for it to start working again. Filled in the leaverbuster "I agree" and mostly was glad it was only a Coop vs AI game to get first-win-of-the-day and I didn't ruin 4 or 9 people's game because some software or hardware decided to hickup. (not the client's fault and I guess that case _was_ caught by error detection/handling)
You seem like a nice person and I appreciate your input but your comparison is completely bonkers. We're talking a difference here between threat to my life and the ability to play a game. Of course I would adjust my priorities accordingly. What I am most upset about is how I was treated by the support. If they took just a minute to look into my situation they would have seen that I had been playing about 7 games right before then with no problems, and in the game in question I did get in just a bit late, and I did try my best to win the game. Just watch the replay and you will see. In this case it couldnt be any more obvious that I did not intentionally leave the game. If support really cant change things, then that is exactly what I am here to warn people about, that they have a system that makes mistakes and a support that is unable to help you.
: Not sure why it didn't display a "reconnecting" or something like that; if you think you've made something foolproof, the universe invents a bigger fool... AKA catching/handling every possible software/hardware failure case just isn't possible. *Rolls back virtual machine test of a server install script at work to a previous snapshot since laptop wifi decided to reconnect in the middle, leaving the system in an unclear state.* And about "invasive takeover": I mentioned that because unless the client machine and all hardware inbetween it and the server are fully managed by the server's company, a multiplayer server should never ever trust what the client claims without verifying. In the case of a disconnect, the server has no way of verifying at all what the reason is, so _has_ to assume the player is intentionally disconnected, since if it gives the benefit of the doubt, that will be abused. I had an unintentional leave/not getting into game a short while ago: DNS seemed to somehow hickup on looking up the game server after champ select ((cached?) other hosts worked fine) and ended up needing to reboot my laptop for it to start working again. Filled in the leaverbuster "I agree" and mostly was glad it was only a Coop vs AI game to get first-win-of-the-day and I didn't ruin 4 or 9 people's game because some software or hardware decided to hickup. (not the client's fault and I guess that case _was_ caught by error detection/handling)
I dont expect the game to be foolproof, I just dont expect to be forced to lie when the game fails me. Yes, a disconnect from the internet must be seen as user responsibility but again, this wasnt the case for me. I was still connected to the internet, I was still in the game waiting for it to start, but with NO information that the client had any issues. If there is an issue with the DNS I expect information that the client has problems with it, or just to let me know that it couldnt connect, for any reason, just let me know. What issues my client had I can only speculate in but one thing I can tell you for sure is THAT I DIDNT LEAVE THE GAME AND I REFUSE TO SAY THAT I DID. I take responsibility if I am at fault, but in this case I was first let down by the league client, and then again let down by leaverbuster only to finally be let down by the RIOT support who couldn't/wouldn't help me.
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: IF MY SYSTEM CAN PLAY EVERY %%%%ING GAME ON THE PLANET WITHOUT A HITCH, EVEN THE NUTRIOUSLY BUGGY GAMES, AND LEAGUE CRASHES, THEN IT'S NOT ON MY SYSTEM. IT'S ON RIOTS INCAPABLE EMPLOYEES. And quite frankly, people like you never get it. Ironicly youre the only green I think should be fired from it's position
He is doing exactly what RIOT wants him to do, redirect all that goes wrong to you and your system, putting no responsibility on RIOT. He did say that they would revert it if they made a mistake tho, and that must mean that he think that they can make a mistake, so maybe he can get fired for that. Unfortunatley tho, I have a ticket that says that they cant revert it so its obvious that he doesnt know what he is talking about but always just try to say the most favourable thing about RIOT that he can, regardless if its true or not.
: > [{quoted}](name=Mindfly,realm=EUNE,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=aNzxiWxa,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000002000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-05T20:05:13.873+0000) > > I wasnt hoping to get help here. I was hoping to get help from the support when I opened a ticket about this. The only reason I am here is to let people know that in their Terms of Use, you have exactly no rights to your account, That unfortunately is standard in the digital world. Just like for ex. if you buy a DVD/Blu-Ray you aren't buying the movie/series, but just some bits of plastic and metal and getting a license to play the movie/series from that particular bit of plastic and metal. (if you break it, no more movie/series...) Or if you "buy" a movie/series/music/game download on an apple/amazon/etc. account, they have the right at any time to revoke the item from your account, probably deleting it from your harddisk and/or make it unplayable in case of DRM for any/no reason...) And as for LoL, unless you want the LoL client to invasively take over your computer, network etc., the server can't really differentiate between leaving the game because of the client misbehaving, walking away from the client, killing the client, yanking out the network cable, etc. so unfortunately all cases of "server didn't get input from the client for a long time" need to be treated the same.
You are wrong, flat out. It just so happens that I actually did make a game, and a server for it, and I just did it for fun, I am not a professional programmer, but I made it with a function on the client side so that you get a notice if you get disconnected from the server. I made it with what I am sure is a crappy solution but I dedicated a Thread to ping the server for a response with a sleep timer between pings. Im sure that the programmers for RIOT can come up with a better but equally functional solution. If I had just gotten a message that I was disconnected, instead of just the normal loading screeen I would have acted sooner. I didnt make my client save any logs of what caused a disconnect or any failed attempts to reconnect but its not rocket science and it doesnt require any invasive takeover of my computer. I had a fully functional internet connection, the problem wasnt my internet connection who failed, the problem was that the client didnt inform me that anything was wrong, as soon at I restarted I got into the game. I can only guess that why they refuse to accept that this wasnt my fault is because that means they have to admit that they have a bug in their client that caused it, or poorly programmed, either way.
xTbadx (EUW)
: You can just type in the "I Agree" and that's, by my knowledge (or experience), all there is to it. I got ducked by the client in three games in a couple days' period and had no other consequences. Does feel slightly odd to be forced to type in garbage but I'd say it's bearable as, again, that's all that happens.
Its not garbage, its a lie, and my mother taught me better than that. For what? Just to play a game? Also its an admission of guilt. My mom had been in the hospital fighting for her life and I hadnt had time to play in a long time because I was too busy to be there to help take care of her. I had one day left to try to complete some quests before they timed out, and being the collector I am of things I never use, I wanted to complete them so I had played 7 games or something before this happened, and I was in a hurry to destroy 12 more towers I think for the quest reward I was after. The last thing I would have wanted was to be late in for a game, much less to be locked out so I couldnt even complete my quests. To admit that I left that game is so far from reality its crazy, and I refuse to say that I did.
Hansiman (EUW)
: > The only reason I am here is to let people know that in their Terms of Use, you have exactly no rights to your account, and they can (and apparently will) excercise that right rather than unlocking an account they have wrongly locked. That's a very standard term found in most online games. That doesn't mean they're going to ban you for no reason, but it avoids you dodging bans by finding loopholes. --- > The worst part of this situation is that this is according to support a fully automated system that they have no control over. How idiotic is that to make a system that makes errors but their support cant fix? If the system makes a **mistake**, they will revert it.
Please dont talk about things that you dont know as if they are fact, you are misleading people. I did open a ticket and the response from Player Support Specialist RARITYISBESTIDOL is and I quote " Truth is that this message can't be manually removed, nor reset, as it's automated and issued by the system, you see :/ "
Markoman43 (EUNE)
: Yeah sure.Dont hope to get any help here.Any problem you may have in this game will be your fault (in the eyes of flawless moderator) In this place people like him make the rules.
I wasnt hoping to get help here. I was hoping to get help from the support when I opened a ticket about this. The only reason I am here is to let people know that in their Terms of Use, you have exactly no rights to your account, and they can (and apparently will) excercise that right rather than unlocking an account they have wrongly locked. The worst part of this situation is that this is according to support a fully automated system that they have no control over. How idiotic is that to make a system that makes errors but their support cant fix? Either the support flat out lied to me or someone need to program the system so the support can manually fix things when something apparently went wrong. Either way, I just wanted to let people know in case they didnt knwo what could happen, I wish I had known this before I invested an absurd ammount of money to buy skins I've never even used. I dont really care about the money, its not that I am poor or anything, but now its just money put into a collection that I no longer have access to and that is sad. Wish I had a timemachine.
Markoman43 (EUNE)
: Hahaha what a epic ''advice''
Yeah it annoyed me too how he left that, he could at least have acknowledged that he didnt know what he was talking about. Maybe he just had to go and we will see a comment tomorrow or something.
Zanador (EUNE)
: It wouldn't be a lie. At any point you can ask me to promise not to leave matches in the future and i could give you my word on that. If you got it for a technical problem, then you can make the same promise too. Asking us to promise this might be pointless, but nevertheless we wouldn't be lying.
If the text had said "future games" then sure, I could agree to that no problem, but unfortunatley they didnt choose that text, the text specifically say to promise not to leave any "further" games, something I can only promise if I had left a game to begin with.
Zanador (EUNE)
: How would lying get you past leaverbuster?
There is a popup where they want me to promise not to leave any more games. If I do that then I can move on, but since I never left a game in the first place, it would be a lie.
Hansiman (EUW)
: Your system, thus your ability to play, is your responsibility.
do you know something that the people who handled my support ticket dont then please say, but please dont blame me for this if you dont have a clue.
Hansiman (EUW)
: Your system, thus your ability to play, is your responsibility.
Then tell me how I am supposed to get past leavebuster without lying and saying that I left a game that I didnt
Hansiman (EUW)
: > but I am locked out of the game by leaverbuster, so I cant play. LeaverBuster does not prevent you from playing the game, so you are not locked out.
It prevents me from playing the game unless I lie
Hansiman (EUW)
: You don't get banned for failing to connect to a game. The worst that would happen is a low priority queue, that simply means you have to wait some minutes before queueing up. If you're really banned, there's a little more to the story than what you're saying here.
I am not banned, but I am locked out of the game by leaverbuster, so I cant play. RIOT wants me to lie and admit to having left the game and until I do so I cannot get into my game, and I am not a liar and I will not lie just to play a game.
SayDaddy (EUW)
: I WILL FINALLY SPEND SOME MONEY ON THIS GAME
Think about this before you spend money on this game. I am wanting to warn people on how I was treated by RIOT. I have been a long time fan of the game and I believe I owned over 300 skins when they locked my account, I dont know how much money I have poured into that game but its alot and now its all gone because their client didnt let me into the game and I when I felt something was wrong I restarted and I think I was 6 or 7 minutes into the game. I continued to play and tried to win but we still lost. I opened a ticket with riot to ask them to unlock my account and this is what they said. """"" Here are the Terms of Use: https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse#virtual-goods Point 4.3 and 4.4 will explain everything you need to know about it. """"" Basically is means it doesnt matter that I did nothing wrong, their client failed me and their automated system blamed it on me and decided to lock me out of my account, all perfectly legal and they cant or wont do anything about it. I am done with this game, but I still want to let people know how their customers are treated and to warn people that it might be a bad idea to put money into your account. I for one regret every dollar I put in here after the way they treated me.
: Yeah sure, you shouldn't do something if your team is against it, but like, if they're against it they should speak up about it before the game starts It's like you say you're gonna play renekton bot and everyone is fine with that, but the moment you start losing now you're suddenly griefing ? And like take another example, when yuumi got released and had an abysmally low win rate, I've seen people pick yuumi and have the entire team turn on them telling them to play something else but they still pick yuumi, is that player now griefing simply for picking yuumi ? should that player be banned for playing yuumi because his team didn't want him to ? I think not These kind of double standards are not acceptable
Well first off, I believe that Irelia got first blood in mid, so they were not behind when he got flamed. No, griefing is not about if you win or lose, in this case griefing is the act of not going in his designated lane DESPITE both his "bot" and "mid" telling him to do so. As to your yuumi example. Riot does not designate players to what champions they are supposed to play, you are allowed to pick whatever champ you want to play. There is no double standard, either you dont understand the difference or you are just arguing because you want to defend your initial statement.
: > It doesnt have to be written down anywhere, its very obvious by how the game is currently played that support lanes with adc. So why do I frequently see ADCs in solo positions like Jungle, Top and Mid? Without Support?
Did you even read my post or just that one line of it? I will correct that line tho, I should have said "bot" instead of adc, but how do you read from what I said that people shouldnt be allowed to play adc wherever they want? All I was talking about was what lane the person who gets the role as "support" should play in unless his "bot" agrees otherwise.
: I mean I get where it's coming from, he was queued as support and went mid "oh no so troll" but like, where is it written that the support has to be support for his botlane rather than his midlane ? Like when u queue up as top, jungle, mid or adc it says "top", "jungle", "mid" or "bot" it indicates the lane that you're going for, support just says "support" doesn't say which lane you're gonna be lanning in or anything
Teddy, I believe that people decide that nb3 behaved wrong so that must mean that the other side must be right, but that is not the case here. nb3 deserves a ban both for being toxic and for afk. Unless the team votes to surrender, you keep playing until they do or you lose, a support who doesnt go where you want is not an excuse. If you have a problem with another player, then you finish the game as well as you can and report him after the game, no need to be toxic or to AFK. It doesnt have to be written down anywhere, its very obvious by how the game is currently played that support lanes with adc. That said, there is nothing wrong with doing something different as long as you believe it gives you a better chance to win. HOWEVER, if both you adc and your mid reject your wish to do it a different way, you are causing grief and in the end, the game is supposed to be enjoyable to all, and if your bot and mid dont enjoy playing with a support mid, then you shouldnt do it, PERIOD. The funnel strat, the sona taric bot, the top bot lane swap strats, all of these came from people trying new things and playing off meta, nothing wrong with this (As long as it doesnt cause grief), in this case clearly both bot and mid were unhappy and Teemo should conform to the wishes of his team over his wishes to play off meta. What Teemo did was not banworthy until bot and mid declared that they didnt want to play that way. Justified ban. I just hope that nb3 also gets his even more deserved ban.

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