: Garen
Trinity, Gauntlet and Death's Dance isn't exactly "full tank".
: How many of you managed to complete the 2 augments Odyssey quest and what skin did you get?
There were 2 guys who wanted to do the 2 augs mission. I had the 3 augs mission then, but I agreed. SInce i agreed and we were now 3 people with 2 augments, the remaining 2 guys agreed on 2 augments. I beat 2 augments first try, sadly i didn't have the mission then. I later completed it after a couple more tries. Its not really hard, the hard part is finding 4 other people willing to do it. I got the Order of the Lotus skin set from my birdie bag. Yup, a set of 2 skins. I got frustrated about it and i bought 15 orbs ontop of the free ones that i got and i didn't get a single gem out of them. I was double frustrated.
Wen294 (EUW)
: Massive event shop inflation...
In the VS event, you could get 2 orbs and an icon. In this event, you can get 1 orb and and icon. You cant even get the ward skin...
: Onslaught impossible to play
If everyone has a 3 augments mission and you have 4 augments mission or just to beat onslaught, you can't expect the others to respect you for not picking 3 augments when it has been previously agreed to get 3. If you want to receive help, its only natural for you to help other people out. You'd still complete your mission if you need to beat it with 4 augs, even though you are doing it with 3.
Zyzyx (EUW)
: In this case, the same logic CAN be applied. This is psychology and this particular topic (punishments, their effect and what factors influence their effect) is EXTREMELY well researched and the ineffectiveness of harsh punishments is simply a fact. Not "fact because I say so", but because this was researched excessively and confirmed again and again and again. I know it's counterintuitive, but it's a well proven fact.
Im not saying its counterintuitive or false. I am saying that what Riot does is not efficient. Also, whilst there is a lot of research on human behavior, that behavior differs from real life and the internet.
: And then YOU get banned for calling them stupid.
Zyzyx (EUW)
: > I guess the punishment isn't hard enough. That's not how it works, humans don't work that way. Sure, at first glance it makes sense to think "the higher the punishment, the more unlikely they will show this behavior". But that's simply not how human decision making works. The so-often-quoted deterrence effect is almost non-existent. Research has shown that soft punishments are far more likely to cause a change in behavior than harsh punishments. If a punishment is too hard, people also often tend to rebel against it and intentionally increase the unwanted behavior out of protest. That's also the reason why governments don't just scale up punishments until crime is gone: Because it doesn't work. So nothing is wrong with the people working at Riot, they picked rather soft punishments intentionally and for a good reason. In case of AFKs it's even more useless to increase punishments, because by far the vast majority of leavers does not leave intentionally but because of technical or personal problems. Fear of punishments doesn't fix those problem and there is completely useless.
> [{quoted}](name=Zyzyx,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=GlXR43Wk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-13T11:00:52.306+0000) > > That's not how it works, humans don't work that way. Sure, at first glance it makes sense to think "the higher the punishment, the more unlikely they will show this behavior". But that's simply not how human decision making works. The so-often-quoted deterrence effect is almost non-existent. Research has shown that soft punishments are far more likely to cause a change in behavior than harsh punishments. If a punishment is too hard, people also often tend to rebel against it and intentionally increase the unwanted behavior out of protest. > > That's also the reason why governments don't just scale up punishments until crime is gone: Because it doesn't work. > > So nothing is wrong with the people working at Riot, they picked rather soft punishments intentionally and for a good reason. > > In case of AFKs it's even more useless to increase punishments, because by far the vast majority of leavers does not leave intentionally but because of technical or personal problems. Fear of punishments doesn't fix those problem and there is completely useless. Except... League of Legends is not a government and the same logic can't be applied. The community is super bad and that is a fact, thus what riot does is not sufficient. I am talking about general toxicity, not just leaves.
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Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Can i get a link to the IP vs BP comparison? I gave it a quick google search but all i found is Pro-IP content. Also, if you report someone, they wouldn't get a punishment, even if all 9 other players reported them. This is in a case where the player is innocent, of course. If someone deserved a punishment, the IFS would punish them and i see absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
The difference between The Tribunal from before and now is that it is not us who decides the fate of players. It is the IFS (Riot). Previously a player could be banned with enough votes be it right or not. Now after we report a player, the report goes to the Instant Feedback System and it decides whether or not to punish the player based on their game behavior and previous behavior. I think it isn't abusable. Also, i've been mostly getting 450/1350bp champions from the capsules so it doesn't seem all that better to me. I don't mind it that much because i was able to get many champions before the change.
Nakoruru (EUNE)
: And then players will report everybody at the end of the game hoping to get rewards.
Might as well. The community needs a judicial wave tbh. You can't deny that even if you were Stephen Hawking (Rest in peace). The system doesn't punish those who are not toxic so it wouldn't matter if they reported everyone.
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Rismosch (EUW)
: Is it just me or did Yasuo became less painful to play against? 🤔
Riot have said that the changes have affected him negatively so they will tweak him a bit in the future.
Leto GT (EUW)
: You can still run junglers items without having smite. Exp is related to jungler items, not smite so... I'm not sure to understand what you're trying to say. Besides many junglers can clear their first jungle without using a single smite. But obviously it depends which junglers. {{champion:32}}
You need smite to buy jungle items. Also, not having smite early on is definitely doable, but its way better with smite equipped.
Infernape (EUW)
: Tbh the system should just replace whichever slot isn't Flash with Smite if you get jungle in draft.
That's my proposal. You can't jungle without smite. Even if its Faker playing against low plat players, he will be so out of the game it wont matter. That's a fact. If by the end of draft you don't have smite equipped and you have the "Jungle" role, you should be kicked from draft.
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PlzenCZ (EUNE)
: 1st thigns 1st. ist hits normal or ranked? I think its normal, because you had 6 tear which i dont expect people to do in ranked. Normals have separate MMR from Ranked. So its completely normal.
Its ranked. The tear build is a meme build (not sure how you thought i'd seriously make that build, but oh well) which i got after the game was more or less over for us.
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: I seriously recommend just typing "/mute all" the moment the game starts. With all honesty, you dont need anything more than pings to tell your team what you want to do. If you need to ping that the enemy used summs, its now possible, same for ults, you can ping missing, caution, assistance and all that jazz. there is really 0 reason to actually have chat on, the toxicity of others will just make your perfomance become worse and worse and the game pile up
Why does this have to be a solution? Why is there chat in the first place?
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Pimers (EUW)
: 50 Rps is a big amount, they usually give 1~10 Rps but I never saw more than that, anyway good fanart I hope they will give you what you want.
Eeeeh, i guess so. Thanks though. I guess it is quite a bit to ask for.
SeungHyun (EUNE)
: Can we remove casting time from Katarina's Shunpo?
So... your video shows how busted Kata's kit can be, but you want to be more dominant with even less skill, so you ask for a buff? {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
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: There is one big reason why toxicity in response to toxicity is not a valid justification. It does nothing to de-escalate the situation or stop any further toxic behaviour. Instead it just makes the game worse for everyone involved. There is actually a mechanic in the game that allows to mitigate any further damage that can be done by toxic person, namely muting them. Responding to analogy you made elswhere to justified self-defense. In virtually any law system it is judged on the basis of appropriate and measured response. Say if there's a guy trying to mug you with a knife and you whip out double desert eagles then proceed to pump him full of bullets as he runs. Well, that wouldn't be justified self-defense it'd be murder. Because the response is greatly disproportionate to the actual danger and defense have been actually achieved by lesser means - just threatening the perpetrator. Or to have an example that is more easily translated to League. Imagine there's someone trespassing on your property and you see he's taking out lockpicks and closing on your doors [in LoL: someone starts acting toxic towards you]. You could press a button in your sophisticated security system which would lock the house with set of impenetrable blast doors [in LoL: press mute button] and call the police [in LoL: report them]. Or you could open a window and get into a vicious firefight with him, with a good probability of your neighbours getting caught in a crossfire [in LoL: responding with your own toxicity]. Only one of those options would be considered a valid self-defense. Hint: anywhere outside Texas it'd be the former. Besides, Riot's policy is that everyone is responsible for ther behaviour and their behaviour alone.
While you are right, you are talking about general toxicity in response to toxicity. This discussion is not to prove whether i am wrong or right, nor is about my personal punishments, but i will give you the most recent example i have regarding me. I had a game where three of my teammates were harassing me and offending me personally. Throughout the whole game, spammy messages every minute or two against me. I did not flame, nor said anything against the rules for the longevity of the game. In post-game, though, i used one particularly toxic word to express the amount of negativity i had received. This single word led to punishment, as hard as the one they got. I know they did not get banned as i can see their match history. Now i dont know how this would translate into real world scenarios, but i certainly did not pull up 2 deagles and shot them until there was nothing left of them.
: This exaggeration annoys me. "The fear to type anything at all in the chat" I argue a lot with people and I drop occasional insults on people who blame their team or are total jerks. And this is not okay by me. But never have I ever been punished for toxicity. To be punished for using only one wrong word it needs to be a very harsh one. There are enough ways right now to be impolite to the people you think deserve it without being a total idiot. Taking context into consideration is a controversial topic but I think this is still the best possible way. A system for example that would try to spot a guilty one and only punish this guy wouldn't be a good way to go I think. To the support system. I only had good experiences with them. Despite having arguments with them I think they are doing their jobs as good as they can. At least the ones I was in contact with. The automated answers are needed to manage the amount of questions they get. What should be made more clear may be is the fact that you can just answer again and they will really read your problem and write a personal answer.
It is, indeed, an exaggeration, but not without some truth in it.
: In this context you are actively protecting yourself, which does not translate into league at all as flaming Flaming does not protect you, it does all the opposite, it entices the opposing party into being even more aggressive To translate back into that example it would be just like calling the person pointing the gun at your family "fat and ugly", it won't calm him down, if anything he's more likely to pull the trigger
Shukr4n (EUW)
: If u get perma it means u deserved. U could have not got your 14days ban after using very tozic slurs or after 10-25 chat ban. Instead u kept on flaming. There are players that play since s1-2 that didnt get any kind of punishment without being "pet" just by being civil and not offensive. It s up to yourself to be or not be banned. Not up to others.
Getting permanently banned means that you got banned multiple times. Yet the total toxicity across all bans could be as much as a single person's toxicity before their 14 day ban or 25 games chat restriction. Its a matter of amount of punishments, rather than severity of toxicity.
: Catching and punishing any and all evil that the system sees, regardless of cause, is the way to go imo
Certainly. But sometimes, while it might break a rule, it is not evil. The problem here is that you will get permanently banned if you are not a pet. i wouldn't mind small to medium punishments for small offenses, yet everyone gets treated equally. Some people might show severe toxicity and they would get a 14 day ban and then a permaban would follow. Other people would withstand toxicity and once in a while they will respond to some of it and they might move slightly towards negativity in some sentences and slip out a word or two and they would too get the same exact punishment. This would be the same as a rich kid stealing constantly from many shops getting a year in jail, and then having a kid from a gypsie origin with virtually no finances steal a bread so it can eat in order not to die to get the same punishment.
Smerk (EUW)
: Here's one thing. Do you know why context doesn't matter? Flame is flame no matter what, there is not a single good reason to do that. Also system is just, it will never punish you if you didn't break the rules, no matter how many reports you got. And last thing. Do you know why am I not scared to write in chat? Because I follow those very simple rules. As long as you do just that, you will be safe
I really do believe that i personally follow the rules and have kept toxicity and negative attitude to an absolute minimum after the last ban i got. My ban did get revoked because it was simply very unjust and out of context, yet i still took note and have strived to be better. Imagine a robber breaks into your house and points a gun at your wife and kids, so you manage to hit him with a heavy object on the head and do severe injuries to him, leading to very expensive operations and possibly life threatening. In that case, you definitely break the law, you can't just bash people's heads with heavy objects, yet in court /with enough evidence/ you'd probably be passed and would go unpunished. Context does matter.
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: Arcade Ahri visual mismatch. *Poll inside for quick feedback*
: Can't tell if it's because of the skin or if it's just another spaghetti code You need to do further testing to check if this the cause of this is indeed the skin The way I see it, skin or no skin, you would have been hit by that skillshot, even tho the animation was off
Watching the video on the boards looks blurry for half of the video for unknown reasons. You could watch it on youtube. I think that the ball from this skin is too small [Here is a visual representation of how big the hitboxes have to be for it to hit me.](https://i.imgur.com/WHsSHhf.png) Compare the ball of that skin to the hitbox it has. I think that it could be retouched a bit.
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radetari (EUNE)
: Kai' Sa splashart vs ingame model
I am on the same opinion. I even made the same thread as this one but with a bit more content to it rather than just saying it straight. I think the in-game model should be retouched.
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: Account stolen.
Account recovered bois, account recovered.
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