Goremaw (EUNE)
: I climb in Bronze, you don't. Somehow I'm not stuck in elo Hell but you are. I wonder why is that...
Because you don't have half as many trolls in your games as I do, I suspect.
: Getting out of bronze is pure hell. I started playing ranked in season 1 back when bronze was the top 25% and I barely qualified for a bronze icon and it took me most of season 2 to finally reach silver+. The harsh truth is that bronze players are bad. Really bad. So if you want to be not bad, you have to get good, but not "just" good, you have to get good enough to literally drag 4 retards, who often don't even want to win (like the volibear you mentioned) to victory all by yourself. It's absolutely NOT fair that you have to get good enough to do this, but that's the way it is in bronze, and most of silver too. Be honest and ask yourself if you think you have the time and effort needed to do this because if you don't it's a waste of time. Pick a champion that snowballs hard Learn how to consistently CS Learn best jungle/gank routes if jungling Push, push, push lanes and don't stop 'till you reach the nexus Objective control and team fighting are a waste of time in bronze, trying to successfully team fight in bronze is like trying to herd cats. "Focus the carry!" is the typical "wisdom" you will get in bronze division where team fights just involve everyone trying to dog-pile the enemy carry and no one pokes, peels or supports for each other. There's no point taking baron if your team doesn't know when to commit to it or when to bait it, and then you get baron but get aced straight afterwards. In my experience it wasn't until mid-gold division that I could start trusting my team mates to actually work as a team. Ignore people who tell you elo hell is not real. It's very real, but it exists across multiple leagues and multiple divisions in different forms. There is elo hell in bronze, silver, gold, plat, even diamond. Get used to it. Ignore people who try to use statistics to prove that your games have less trolls, AFKs, feeders etc. Statistical significance requires big sample pools of numbers. Being told that the number of AFKs and trolls balances out after "thousands of games" doesn't help when you only play at the weekend, and only play 100-200 games a season. When you can only play 5 games today and 3 of those games have AFKs/trolls that has a HUGE impact on your climbing progress, especially if it happens in promotional matches. This is why I said you need to literally be able to carry the whole game by yourself in bronze, so that even when you get a bad streak of AFKs/trolls you can still pull out some wins.
Finally, someone who gets where I am coming from. Tacticaly, I AM so much more aware than a lot of players around me, I watch a hell of a lot of videos, read guides etc. I do that kind of thing in all walks of life. I know the theory, and as you say, it becomes about having to drag 4 retards up with me. I do have the inclination to fight hard to get out, but there are limits, you know? I am so close to ragequitting because it just feels like nothing ever gets done to these morons who ruin an experience for others in a team. Punishment? Please, you see the same people two games later. Thank you, for putting it into words better than I did in my OP.
: one simple trick to climb out of bronze - ignore your team, learn to cs, push objectives and let the rest of your team do whatever they want. also /mute all
: >Welcome to ELO hell. Let me ask you something: **Do you think there is some magic trick going on, that prevents your OPPONENTS TEAMS to having these players as well?** Because, if you think about it logically: They have the same problem. The teams are randomized out of the same pool of players. **But now comes the really beautiful part:** Since you yourself are not one of those players you describe_(at least I assume that, because if you were like them, then any claim about "wanting to climb" is meaningless)_, the chance is HIGHER for the opponent team to have them... ...because there are 4 positions in your team on which the matchmaking system could put a bad player/toxic/troll, and 5 on the enemy team. **So to summarize: Over a larger number of games, you have an advantage by that situation.** ---- If despite that advantage you are not climbing, well, then I have another question for you: **What is the ONLY constant in all the games you played?** Your presence. And that brings us to your [match history](http://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/EUN1/205788445). And here we have the things you can actually work on in order to climb instead of complaining about your teammates. There are a few things you should be watching out for, but I'm gonna mention the most important by far: **CS. You have 130-140 CS, as sololaner, in 30 minute games. Your goal for a start should be AT LEAST 70CS ar 10 minutes, and the CSing should increase in speed the further the game goes.** Just to put this into perspective: A player who reaches, lets say 160 CS at 20 minutes, can literally give you 3 kills in lane, he will still pull ahead of you in gold without a problem, simply because of his farm. Work on that more and complain less about your teammates.
Do you think I exclusively blame teammates? No. I know I can have off days and/or tilt as much as the next. I am merely commenting, perhaps in a somewhat petty way, on a common, frustrating trend that A LOT of players here (especially lower league) will empathise with. Do you think that I think this ONLY happens to me? Nowhere in my post did I mention that, so please don't presume. If I were so selfish to think that 'this is a conspiracy, Rito hates me etc', would I not have quit already? I do not have a limitless amount of time, yet I choose to spend it in League despite all this frustration. That is dedication, and goes with the ethos 'if at first you don't succeed...'. I keep trying, and trying my best. I love how you choose to highlight my solo lane games (I assume toplane Mundo, as I almost NEVER play mid) to comment on my ability as a League player. I almost exclusively queue as Support, Jungle or ADC. The statistical sample is SO SMALL there (a few games out of hundreds) that you cannot possibly produce a legitimate argument or judgement on my ability. I get that you are trying to help. But I think you could have gone about it in a different way. Perhaps this is my fault for airing my dirty laundry here, so to speak, but it is 3am and I am annoyed, purely because I want to feel rewarded for my effort in a game which is supposed to do that.
MadClown (EUNE)
: Support is my secondary.But still a good support can win his lane.Actually my brother escaped, my friend did too.I was bronze 4 months ago and now i am gold.Its all you man not your team i can speak from experience and i am only gold but i can give you advice how to leave bronze and if you are good you wil leave it easily
I can carry/turn a game as support. I KNOW that. But a support is much more dependent on others to help him climb, much more than solo laners etc, the game is stacked unfairly against that. Hence a lack of desire to play support these days.
Perilum (EUW)
: There are several APC Supports which are viable. Especially in Bronze. Try Vel'koz, Brand, Karma. Support is the most focused Team role. You define your carry potential by working together with your ADC. This is why it's called the "team" lane. But blaming your teammates or riot doesn't change anything. Adapt to your ADC. Try to find synergies. Maybe ask him before the match what he prefers? Most ADCs play better with familiar supports.
"Adapt to your ADC" vs "there are several APC supports". Pretty sure they oppose each other - if I am carrying as an APC, then I am denying my ADC kills and/or farm, and thus increasing the likelihood of said ADC trolling/flaming/feeding. If not, they flame me in champion select for even daring to choose an APC - the classic "OMG not Lux/Annie/whatever report supp". I can carry games on my normal supports, Leona, utility Morgana, Blitz etc. I know that. I do my utmost to make sure my ADC is well looked after. I would say I am a better support than most in lower Bronze, purely based on the sheer number of games I have played there and the tactical mindset I have. But the incentive to play support right now is almost zero because of recent experience with flamers/trolls, and the fact that despite playing all these games as support I am left yo-yoing between B5 and B4 before a hopeful late-season surge. I DO ask before a game which support from my pool they would prefer. Most often they choose Leona.
Rismosch (EUW)
: Dear toxic Players. Here's why you always get Feeders in your team.
What about the people who aren't toxic, try to encourage rather than discourage, but are trapped due to a) these toxic people and b) being support mains and therefore not carrying?
Serika Zero (EUNE)
: trolling-flaming is correlated and its unrelated to your game skill level, its more about people skills. for more stuff regarding that http://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/WAAQtgfP-dear-toxic-players-heres-why-you-always-get-feeders-in-your-team
I'm a teacher by trade - that desire to help and coach people is reflected in my in-game chat (congratulating, telling people not to worry when mistakes are made, trying to motivate etc). That's why I support main - it fits my personality best. But not even Mandela could get some of these people to stop being so damned toxic.
Perilum (EUW)
: Bronze is mostly attitude. And flaming back is the same useless attitude as flaming people. There is no difference. You blame everyone else, but actually you're the problem.
I have finished Silver in each of the two seasons I have completed. Your point there is moot. My point is that it is damned harder as a support main, who is MOST dependent on the others in the team. I always try my best in every game I play - that's in my nature in all walks of life. I don't give up. It's not a question of MY attitude at all. The game is unfairly stacked in favour of the carry types, and not the support types. So what incentive is there to play support? Should I be shoehorned into mid or top just because I want to be in a higher league? Ethically, no - and THAT is the fundamental unfairness, in that Riot's ranking system doesn't treat all roles equally.
MadClown (EUNE)
: Have you heard of the so called "dick sucking tehnique"? PS:there is no such thing as elo hell as an ex bronze player i know this
It's easy to say that as one of the few who does manage to escape. Perhaps you're not a support main as I am.
: I know the feels, as a bronze 2 player this happened to me. I was top pantheon doing pretty good in early vs irelia, went 2/0 on her and denied most cs and jungler didnt gank. Mid fizz was going 1/0 and holding lane well and jungle elise doing her thing good with 1 succesful gank already. Then we had a premade bot jinx and malphite, and it was like 15 minutes in game that we started to contest mid towers. Jinx didn't get the red buff from elise and went full feed mode untill 0/11 and that's when the game was basicly lost. I wonder, as i mained adc for months, i never asked for a red, yet this is bronze level gameplay.. Elo hell still doesn't exist in my eyes, but these days its a little harder to climb with all the different skill lvl's in the same mmr range. Just give it a month or 2 and it'll sort out, remember we're just a little over a month in s6 and it needs to get sorted haha.. Never forgot to report the damn trolls so they can get perma-banned maybe, if you're lucky, like.. if that ever happens.... you know what i mean
It's a sad state of affairs when you have to rely on luck for those who clearly break the Summoner's Code to be punished. I DO believe ELO hell exists - because if it didn't, why wouldn't Riot disclose the MMR system? I have yo-yo'd between B5 and B4 all season so far, and even a win streak of five is not enough to raise me from 0 LP to 100 LP and promos. And then, as soon as I get to promos, I end up with the most toxic players in existence, and even with the 'free win' the next two are losses. Or, I get promoted, and a run of 4 or 5 losses means instant demotion. If ELO hell didn't exist, I would at least have a CHANCE of rising higher than B4.
Perilum (EUW)
: Your KDA is irrelevant. Watch my Bronze Games, I'm losing in 50% of the games top lane and fall behind (Counterpicks, GG first pick). But in the end I carry the games. When I play jungle I have a skyrocket high win quota and a high KDA. Just because someone "feeds", doesn't lose the game. 50% of the wins in Bronze I rejected the lose vote. Stop raging, stop caring. Someone goes 1v5? Well don't follow up. Take the obligatory blame, laugh and continue. "Feeding" in Bronze is a chain reaction. Someone get caught or does something silly and people follow up and get picked one by one.
I couldn't give a damn about my KDA - when I support it is usually relatively high anyway - because all I want is the LP. But too many people in Bronze DO think only of their own stats, and the TEAM is affected because of it. Also, I never ever accept a surrender. I win or lose, what will be will be. But you can't deny that after so long down in Bronze, you cannot help but feel frustrated and somewhat unfairly treated, because these toxic people should be GONE instantly for instances of wishing cancer etc, as per Rito claiming they want a nice happy community and their "ban/flame" statistics to be perfect. When you invest a hell of a lot of time into something, free or not, and then can't get a single thing out of it because of some external anomaly (i.e. the toxic players) THAT COULD BE ELIMINATED SO EASILY, you have a right to feel hard done by.
Serika Zero (EUNE)
: Well, I didn't even pick Fill as secondary. I just picked fill. Also, you can get out of bronze with support. However, it matters which support are you playing. Since some require more decent team mates compared to others. I'd expect: Blitz, Zyra, Zillean, Brad and Karma to be some of the main carry supports out there. With Leona close by. However, if you want to get out as support, you must play it properly. For example, was on my smurf in silver. We lost that game because the only engage was a Leona that was to scared to engage in 4v5 (pressing R), as we only had 1 opportunity for that (tl;dr she could've won the game, she didn't so we were stuck with a useless top laner and a sadly underfeed mid laner). You must pick the right times to use your abilities and not let opportunities go to waste. Support is an important role, but it matters if you know how to play it.
I do play support properly - as I said, I am a support main and with a much more support-minded mentality (I almost never go mid) - and I am never afraid to engage if it means I can give my team a momentary advantage (like the Leona ult). I am much, much better as a support than I am elsewhere, purely because of this mentality and the sheer number of games I have played there proportionately (S4 I played exclusively support, S5 for half the season before trying other roles in ranked). My usual supports are Leona, Braum, Blitzcrank, Morgana, Lux and Janna. I know I can carry games, especially on my big three (Leona, Blitz, Morgana), racking up the assists, but my point was more that if someone decides to troll or flame (often it's two players who do that, not just one) then likely the game is lost, no matter how hard I try to carry.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=I AM GODFATHER,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=wfkGcmKh,comment-id=000b00000000,timestamp=2016-02-23T12:42:26.976+0000) > > as support its impossible ! Nope, look my matchhistory. Just carried myself from silv 5 to gold 4 and going as sup only. Ofc soraka might not be the best choice if u want to carry. I prefer support that can oneshot or nearly oneshot a enemy carry... like anni, lux. Also as support you control a large part of your teams vision. And vision is especially importent in lower elo cause people have no map awarness/rotationunderstanding. So yes, if u cant carry you belong where you are.
So then you're not really support, just going full AP without regard for your ADC. Also part of the troll problem in League.
: Bronzeplayers rage alot. In bronze there exist 2 kinds of people: - Newbies, aka people who are still learning the do's and dont's of this game. - Ragers, aka people who think its always someone elses fault and they themselfs need no improvement. Ragers are the bronze majority.
Three, the support mains who try to encourage and shotcall but cannot get out no matter what they try.
XIC Wolf (EUW)
: People still believe that bronze players are more toxic than silvers of golds etc. They are wrong. A lot of bronze players are actually quite nice, but they lack understanding. Thats pretty much it. There is no difference between bronze and the others leagues. ALL leagues have toxic, flamy players.
This. And the ones who are toxic almost always claim to be smurfs.
Perilum (EUW)
: "play safe" is so useful like "good luck". It has no meaning. When I get tower dived by two people or just loose a trade and get unlucky blocked by Minions or get ganked because nobody pinged MIA and die, then it has nothing to do with "international feed" (yes people write it like that) and I know that I failed. The guy who tells me "told you to play safe feeder" at the moment is just a blank flame against my person. Which gets a report after the game, because usually this behavior goes over the whole game distance. And of course the "feeder" is the reason for the lose and every misplay anyone does. Including Mr. Challenger itself. The funny thing is: I don't response to that behavior and people like you get mad as hell and talk about "refuse to communicate". If you don't want to play with the scrubs, then rank up. You can't? Well, you're a scrub as well. There is no ELO hell. I carried myself single handled through Bronze. And I only play since a year. I don't need 6 seasons for that, like the Challenger in Bronze who chatter more as they play.
"If you don't want to play with the scrubs, then rank up. You can't? Well, you're a scrub as well." Well, that just makes you no better than those flamers, doesn't it? Sometimes, it's NOT possible to carry yourself out of Bronze, as is the case for me as a support main with a support-minded mentality. It's not about the unskilled players who try to be better - it's about the downright toxic bastards that inhabit this game's community, who are sadly in the massive majority despite Rito's 'statistics'. People to discourage rather than encourage, people who cannot accept blame, or put mistakes behind them and just try harder. it's much easier to be a shit human being and wish cancer on someone (what kind of person does that, seriously?) than try to be a decent person. And Rito doesn't do a single thing about it.
Serika Zero (EUNE)
: Picked fill 6 times. Got 2 times ADC, 1 time top, and 3 times support. You get more than just sup ;)
14 supports and 1 jungle in fifteen games that I have chosen "fill" as my second choice. I ended up keeping a tally, out of curiosity. I don't mind support, it's my main, but it is almost impossible to climb out of Bronze where I am currently stuck as a support main and so I want to play other roles to try and give myself that chance. So, I've resorted to choosing "jungle/bot" just to get another role, but then I end up with 10-min average waiting times. Maybe it's to do with rank? In Bronze, nobody ever wants support, I imagine because a lot of people there don't have the tactical awareness or mentality for it. They just want to #yolo games and have impressive stats, to the detriment of the team. In higher ELOs though, people would play their main more, i.e. support or jungle or whatever, hence decreasing the likelihood of support being the instant choice when "fill" is chosen. Frustrating, but what can we do? Just have to get on with it I guess, even if that means I am Bronze forever.
: Take it easy. PLay champs that can 1v9 untill diamond. I am sup main and i had the same issue. I was d2 before the reset. got placed in p1 and kept playing soraka/bard/janna. Got to plat 4 with these champs. Swapped to blitz,braum that are less team dependent and got back to dia
Same, support main forever rooted in Bronze for 6 months of the season until I get lucky and finally make Silver 5. I am tired of trying to encourage my team only to be flamed for it, or trying to shotcall and being abused on such a mean personal level, sick of sacrificing my time and mental state to try and win a game only for everyone to think they can Faker everyone. It's literally depressing, and what's worse, no matter what Riot say about punishments and the percentage of toxic players, there is just a HELL of a lot more down in Bronze than their statistic says, yet nothing gets done. The game, sadly, is MASSIVELY unfair to those who would choose to support main. When a game you love forces you to ditch the role you love to play for the sake of advancement, it alienates people. Now, I hover on the brink of quitting for good, because it just isn't enjoyable to be abused simple for saying "hey, stats aren't important people, let's win this" trying to be positive.
TTekkers (EUW)
: Exactly 500 ping, no, fluctuating around that mark, occasionally dropping back down to my normal 40-ish for about 2-3 seconds before going back up to 450-600 again. But for the sake of narrative I missed out the precise details. Was my internet working fine?? No, it was fine before the game though, or I wouldn't have started it. When pinging 8.8.8.8 as a test, I would get 200-600 ping variable, with the occasional drop to 28 (my normal for pinging 8.8.8.8) , reconnecting to my modem didn't help, resetting the modem didn't help, restarting my computer didn't help and flushing DNS didn't help. But it did magically come back online properly after about 20-25 minutes. I didn't say I didn't blame Riot for my ping. But since my ping is stable 99% of the time and no one else had connection issues in the game, I assumed it was on my side. If 2-3 other people in the game were having problems I'd have blamed Riot, but they didn't. Does that answer your questions/sarcasm??
My sarcasm wasn't directed at you. It was because I experienced pretty much the same thing, other than my internet was working fine everywhere else (why I asked), and it caused me to lose a promo series. Which, as a support main in Bronze, is bloody annoying as I don't get too many chances to climb.
: Exactly what i just said. He is unkillable, but doesnt do anything else for the adc than that. And 1 soft cc abilty isnt all that newsbreaking.
It is if the ADC is on point and knows what they are doing..
Baran Has (EUW)
: But your in bronze so you cant talk aswell? Bronze is always filled with players thats why they are bronze lol..
I hardly think "you're in Bronze" is an answer that encompasses all. Some of us are here because it's hard to get out when having to rely on others, as I do as a support. Because, you know, I play PROPER support, and therefore can't penta my way to Gold. I don't claim to be amazing, but as a support, I know I am better than Bronze.
LuIu (EUW)
: Solo Queue Support
{{champion:25}} and {{champion:99}} are the go-to mages for me as a support main, but please, **don't go full AP** - it will fuck up your ADC and just create a toxic environment. Build utility, {{item:3157}} and {{item:3092}} will be enough on {{champion:25}} to make you effective followed by tanky items ({{item:3110}} {{item:3102}}) or utility ({{item:3512}}{{item:3105}} {{item:3190}} for example), and maybe a {{item:3151}} or {{item:3116}} on {{champion:99}} for the slow. **Supporting is NOT about dealing damage, most of the time. It's about helping your ADC deal the damage**. If you are in the mindset of 'must deal damage as a mage support', then play mid and not support, for the good of the game and for a better chance at a win.
: What is it with these weird support picks?
The Meta does not exist in lower ELOs, I wish people would stop with that "must be x, y, z support". Anyone is viable, IF THEY ARE PLAYED AS A SUPPORT. And by that, I mean not going full AP and taking farm and denying the ADC the chance to get stronger, as I see 9/10 games in Bronze where I am stuck as a support main. **It's not about the champion, it's about the mindset of the support. ** If I play Lux or Morgana, I build utility. Tanky Morgana is a monster support, even with only Zhonya's and Frost Queen's as AP items. If I play Mundo, I go full tank and make sure I just harass the enemy, not try to be Faker. An unkillable tank who bullies the enemy into playing too cautiously? Yes please. If I play Poppy, I tank the hell out of teamfights, aggressively. I've even played Teemo support once or twice, but importantly, BUILT SUPPORT ITEMS AS A PRIORITY. Harassing the enemy can be a very effective tactic if done right. But I NEVER deny my ADC the chance to build. I only farm if the ADC is not around and the minions would go to waste. i.e. proper support play. But as too many people say here, these off-meta or off-kilter picks are often just used like midlaners or toplaners, with no concern for the team. I hate that shit, and it drives me nuts. I try to play jungle or ADC because I can't climb out of Bronze supporting all the time, but the ones who go support instead just yolo it and send me back to 0LP in B5. So I go back to support, and it doesn't matter one bit, still not getting out of B5. GRRRR.
: Sure he is unkillable. But what does he add to you lane? And what does he do for your adc other than just tanking damage. He doesnt have any cc or utility. Thats what i mean, supports like braum or thresh give something that makes your lane and teamfight better. Mundo just doesnt die, but how does that help your adc?
No CC? Pretty sure his cleaver slows, and because it's % damage you can bully the squishy into backing off or playing more cautiously = free farm. His W with Sunfire's often can cause a squishy in botlane to back off as it's too much damage for them to take (even with a healer support, they would just burn mana too quickly), meaning you again have free farm. Plus, ALL THE HEALTH, you can't kill him, not even with something like Lord Dominik's because of his regen and ult.
Twizzlerz (EUW)
: Your S6 rank (after 10 provisionals)?
S5 to B5 with a record of W6 L4. Not happy, because I feel like I could have gone W10 L0 and still ended up B5, but I guess I just have to get on with it. Damned hard to even get out of B5 as a support main though, especially this season with its fucked-up matchmaking (if I support, ADCs who yolo. If I ADC, full AP support who doesn't play support). I imagine I'll finally get to B2 around September, and then MAYBE I'll be lucky enough to get Silver again by season's end, in a mirror of the last two seasons.
: I am really starting to dislike people who pick fill and don't want to play the role they are given. If there is a role you don't like, don't pick fill!
I thought Rito were supposed to be punishing those who do not play the role they have been given? Clearly they say one thing and do another. I for one am so sick of all these people who get support, and proceed to play a full-AP mage, starting Doran's, taking farm and playing like a midlane mage. It renders the ADC impotent, and more than not means a game is unwinnable (due to it being essentially 4v5). But hey, Rito knows best right?
TTekkers (EUW)
: How to get a D rank??
Exactly 500 ping? Ah, the dreaded Rito ping. When the game is fucked but your internet and everything else is working just fine. But of course, it's not Rito's fault, it must be on your side.
Nïsbeth (EUW)
: Bronze v
Did you play in preseason? If not, your MMR would have tanked. If yes, it takes your MMR at the end of preseason, not the end of S5. I went W6 L4 in my prelims, but because I tanked in preseason I went from S5 to B5 also.
: G5 Supp/Adc/Mid/Jungle looking for team
Cześć Ewelina! You don't need to be in a team to practice English, do you? I mean, I practice my Polish all the time on here, chociaż mój polski jest tragiczny! But people always want to talk to me in English because they can't believe I'm an English teacher playing League.. ;)
: why?
It's to foster the illusion that you can actually get out of Bronze/Silver. Then the client will freeze when you're trying to ban on 1W (the free win) 1L (because, toxicity), and you'll lose your promos, like just happened to me.
Loki331 (EUW)
: Should be, you are not the only one that wrote about that.
Drives me nuts. I would raise a ticket, but what's the point? I'd just get the standard "it's your computer, bla bla" response. Ever wonder if there's some kind of conspiracy to keep the numbers who rise through the ranks down? Like, if there were too many higher ELO players it would perhaps dilute the illusion of the pro scene? Not that it applies to me, I'd be gold-tier at best when I play my support main role, probably mid-high silver for all else. I'm just a bit tired of feeling that when I do play, I'm held back deliberately by the usual trolls/feeders/full AP supports who don't play support.
Rioter Comments
inbloom12 (EUW)
: this meta is garbage.
You mean this 'full AP support with the AP support not ACTUALLY playing support but like a midlane mage nine times out of ten' meta? Hate that shit. Other than that, down here in bronze it's the same old - midlane "Faker" wannabes 0/4 after six minutes, junglers farming for 30 mins before they gank, ADCs going #yolo at level 2 thinking they can burst down everyone, toplaners never warding then blaming everyone else for being ganked... Come to think of it, nobody ever warding. What a jolly old time it is.
Rioter Comments
: In Start Of Season 5 I won 8 out of 10 games in placements and I was put in Bronze 5
Happened to me too. S4 (first ranked season, started late) - W6 L4, placed in Silver 4. Ended season around 90 LP in Silver 5. S5 - W6 L4 (exactly same record), placed in Bronze 5. Was fucking hell to get out of, especially as a support main. Seems fair. o_O
: Yeah, offmeta picks are not trolling. AP Nasus rocks. The waveclear+harass is so powerful. I have never had so many cs as when i play AP doggy. AP Blitzcrank, ADC Yasuo, AP Miss Fortune mid. Why not? They are all good.
I played against a MF jungle once in Bronze 1. She owned the game, like 90% of all the kills - on both teams combined!
: Custom keybinds, how do you play?
Left hand index finger on E, middle finger on W, ring finger on Q. Move index to R as needed. I keep it off the R so I don't 'accidentally' ult. T for Trinket. D and F for summoners' spells. V for lock/unlock camera. B for Recall. Mouse buttons (I have a gaming mouse) for active items which give buffs, 3 and 4 for active targetables (i.e. BorK). Space for cancel/disengage, for better last hitting. And I tend to play the entire game with the camera locked. I can't deal with having to move it all the time.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
I had never AFK'd or left deliberately before this one incident. I also don't remember a time this season where I have DC'd due to problems with my connection, as opposed to because of a fault on Riot's side. I have a very stable connection (a blessing), and in the rare occurrence I feel like it's not working so well, I don't even bother logging in. So to suggest that *I* have used up my free leaves etc is a little unfair. More like they were taken away through no fault of my own. But hey, such is life, and we have more important things to worry about. It is, after all, just a game.
: MSI Compared to other gaming laptops is the least expensive and the most efficient. Im hoping to get one soon.
Yeah, mine cost roughly 7500 PLN / ~1750 EUR (with Windows 8.1 and an Office subscription), which was still significantly cheaper than, say, an Alienware with half the specs (RAM/GPU)
GhosTea (EUW)
: Recommended laptops for playing League smoothly at good settings
My MSI is a bit of a beast, frequently getting 200+ fps on max settings, but expensive. Mine is high-end, but anything by them should suffice though. (mine is an MSI GT60 2PE Dominator Pro; i5, 16GB RAM, 8GB dedicated GeForce GTX880M, for reference)
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
One punishment in all the time I have been playing League, something like two years now - i.e. a first offence. The system IS broken with regards to AFK punishments, because it punishes without a fair trial - i.e. a chance to explain oneself. AFKs do not happen always because one leaves. Sometimes one's internet is fine, their computer is working fine, yet they get disconnected - a fault on Riot s server side. Punished. Sometimes one is driven from a game by the incredible toxicity of others (as in my case). Punished. Contact from a Rioter or something, then a proper judgement, would be better for AFK reports. Not an automated one. This is unlike toxic behaviour, where certain keywords can be picked up on by an algorithm and dealt with as such. The "tribunal" system (hah, what a misuse of the word) doesn't account for the human side of things, which is a fault of Riot's since they are always preaching that it is a social game. I reported the Lucian and Lux for verbal abuse - do you think they got banned too? I highly doubt it. I was even honoured by three people (one teammate and two opponents) for my stance.
: > I was not AFK [This game](http://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/1267475003/205788445?tab=stats) strongly suggests otherwise. You are lvl 5 while everybody is way beyond that. This is impossible without being afk/idle. Given the fact you still bought items during the game it looks like you tried to trick the leaverbuster by running around in the base and pretending to play. Luckily the leaverbuster can't be tricked this easily. > I am pretty sure toxic language and flaming is a far more negative thing. Thats why a lot of people get punished for it. Just take a look around these boards.
A support is often behind their ADC in level. Look at Lucian, is he any better? Three levels. He is not 'way beyond' me. He is level 8, and only 1.3k gold ahead. That is not so much, I would argue it's pretty standard (1-2 levels certainly, 1k gold +). Especially as he was too aggressive and fed incredibly - is it any wonder I died early game, when he attempted a turret dive at level 2 and we both get wiped for it due to slows/stuns. Or when he decides he is going toplane after telling me to get cancer and die, and leaves me bot alone only for me to be ganked? I would argue my position in the game is understandable. I wasn't in base the whole game like you suggest, and the stats don't paint the whole picture.
Olucaron (EUNE)
: I was not AFK or idle. I was there, in game, trying to interact with the team to clear up the issue. I don't want to be that person who just insta-mutes at minute 1 every game, it's supposed to be a social game. If I wanted to play solo, I'd go play something offline. And because conversation is how humans deal with issues, right? Proper discourse. But when you try to reason with these people, and they just reply with 'cancer on your family' and 'go fuck your mother', what can one do? I spoke with both the other players on my team, and they understood my point. This it the thing, people here are too quick to look at the statistics and not the human side of things, and this game is meant to be one with interaction. **Yes, I was wrong to just stay at base, I know that and I accept that**. I wasn't 'trying to cheat the leaverbuster' deliberately, I was just extremely fed up after five or six games of the same thing, time and time again. I wanted to get back into the game. and did at a couple of points. but the insults continued all the same. I am human, I have feelings, and I have enough stress in my job (teacher) without having A GAME add to that because some people just don't have manners or are, to be honest, terrible human beings. We wouldn't behave like that to strangers in the street, would we? I know I need to deal with it better, but when you are just trying to be a better player, and a better person, and you are faced with a wall of hate, even the coolest of cucumbers lose it. I am not saying I don't deserve this punishment because I broke the rules. I get it, I accept it. This is not about me wanting justice or the punishment overturned. I would just like a little fairness, that's all. A person does not deserve vitriol just because of one death early game, which can be recovered from, yet it is clearly allowed to persist. With regards to the point of 'a lot of people get punished for it', do they? Every single game there are 2-4 players who just flame and are incredibly offensive. I fail to see how that is an issue 'being dealt with'. With regards to me 'ruining the game' - I half agree, but half disagree. Yes, my leaving didn't help, but can you honestly tell me two flamers make the chances of winning any higher? Riot constantly feed us in the loading screen that positive play means a higher chance of success. I try to always be positive, but the one time I lose my cool I am the victim of the banhammer. So, I argue I didn't ruin it - the flamers did by forcing a nornally-dependable (lower-level) support to not want to play. Every action has a consequence, I accept mine, but these flamers don't and are frequently unpunished, or not punished enough. My point is this - if this was an issue Riot truly came down hard on (wishing cancer on someone ONCE is once too many IMO, as someone who lost a best friend far too young to cancer, and deplorable behaviour in any decent human being's book), then it wouldn't exist on such a huge scale. They say it is a minority, but come on, who are they kidding? Call it salt, call it complaining, call it what you will. The fact remains that this community is so polarising it's shocking. For me, it is just about wanting to come and play a game to unwind after work, and not have the scum of the earth ruin that for me with their toxic behaviour. And I really don't think that is much to ask, because in any other walk of life such behaviour would not be tolerated. If my kids at school displayed that kind of behaviour, they'd be severely dealt with. If I was like that as a kid, my mother would have beat me senseless.
Apologies again for the rant. I just find it helps to write it out. Being the sucker that I am, I'll be back, doing the best I can to not be that flamer/negative influence.
Olucaron (EUNE)
: What kind of human beings exist in this game?!
I was not AFK or idle. I was there, in game, trying to interact with the team to clear up the issue. I don't want to be that person who just insta-mutes at minute 1 every game, it's supposed to be a social game. If I wanted to play solo, I'd go play something offline. And because conversation is how humans deal with issues, right? Proper discourse. But when you try to reason with these people, and they just reply with 'cancer on your family' and 'go fuck your mother', what can one do? I spoke with both the other players on my team, and they understood my point. This it the thing, people here are too quick to look at the statistics and not the human side of things, and this game is meant to be one with interaction. **Yes, I was wrong to just stay at base, I know that and I accept that**. I wasn't 'trying to cheat the leaverbuster' deliberately, I was just extremely fed up after five or six games of the same thing, time and time again. I wanted to get back into the game. and did at a couple of points. but the insults continued all the same. I am human, I have feelings, and I have enough stress in my job (teacher) without having A GAME add to that because some people just don't have manners or are, to be honest, terrible human beings. We wouldn't behave like that to strangers in the street, would we? I know I need to deal with it better, but when you are just trying to be a better player, and a better person, and you are faced with a wall of hate, even the coolest of cucumbers lose it. I am not saying I don't deserve this punishment because I broke the rules. I get it, I accept it. This is not about me wanting justice or the punishment overturned. I would just like a little fairness, that's all. A person does not deserve vitriol just because of one death early game, which can be recovered from, yet it is clearly allowed to persist. With regards to the point of 'a lot of people get punished for it', do they? Every single game there are 2-4 players who just flame and are incredibly offensive. I fail to see how that is an issue 'being dealt with'. With regards to me 'ruining the game' - I half agree, but half disagree. Yes, my leaving didn't help, but can you honestly tell me two flamers make the chances of winning any higher? Riot constantly feed us in the loading screen that positive play means a higher chance of success. I try to always be positive, but the one time I lose my cool I am the victim of the banhammer. So, I argue I didn't ruin it - the flamers did by forcing a nornally-dependable (lower-level) support to not want to play. Every action has a consequence, I accept mine, but these flamers don't and are frequently unpunished, or not punished enough. My point is this - if this was an issue Riot truly came down hard on (wishing cancer on someone ONCE is once too many IMO, as someone who lost a best friend far too young to cancer, and deplorable behaviour in any decent human being's book), then it wouldn't exist on such a huge scale. They say it is a minority, but come on, who are they kidding? Call it salt, call it complaining, call it what you will. The fact remains that this community is so polarising it's shocking. For me, it is just about wanting to come and play a game to unwind after work, and not have the scum of the earth ruin that for me with their toxic behaviour. And I really don't think that is much to ask, because in any other walk of life such behaviour would not be tolerated. If my kids at school displayed that kind of behaviour, they'd be severely dealt with. If I was like that as a kid, my mother would have beat me senseless.
Rioter Comments
: It does make me laugh when people think that league has a toxic community, this game is nothing compared to the games of old, you think this community is bad, I know some poisonous ones that make this community look like a bunch of 5 year olds with papier-mâché on their faces. Words only hold meaning when you put meaning into them. It baffles me when people get upset over a pre-pubescent teenager telling them to "go and die" over the Internet, is it going to impact my life in any way? No, it won't. Not only that every computer has an anti-toxicity/anti-bullying device built in, it's called the power switch, hit that little button, go outside/go out with friends/watch TV and hey presto, nerds raging behind a computer screen doesn't even cross your mind. #lifeadvicewithTala
What kind of human being would go and tell another to die, kill themselves or get cancer? And do you realistically think someone who has been through those things (suicide attempts, cancer, death etc) can just 'let it slide' because it's over the internet? No, it's a form of bullying just like in person. and is equally (if not more) deplorable as such. A truly awful human being, that's what. And the fact is, this community *IS* toxic - far more than it should be, because it shouldn't be toxic at all - and is allowed to be. A little decency is not a lot to ask, and it costs nothing to be polite. Also IMO, it's not unreasonable to expect a corporation, who prides itself on its product and its reputation because of that product, to put a little more effort into truly cleaning it up.
LexNidalm (EUW)
: LOL community - first impressions.
Sadly Alex, having been in this game just shy of two years, I find the community to be incredibly toxic, to the point where it becomes incredibly demoralising to play competitively (i.e. ranked). Trolls and flamers, people wishing cancer on others, insulting family members.. I have never seen that kind of behaviour on such a huge scale in other games, and I have been playing online (MMOs etc) for a very long time. In fact, I have never seen such behaviour at all, anywhere (on that scale). I don't think this is 'something you get in all games' as a poster below mentions, but something that I don't feel Riot does enough to stamp out. People who don't respect the unwritten etiquette of the game (i.e. troll picks, ignoring pick order), or are allowed to behave in a way that would be absolutely deplorable in real life. They talk about punishments, but how many times do we see people complaining on these boards about petty bans, whereas the 'cancer-wishers' and those who deliberately and selfishly ignore others remain in-game? For me, as a teacher, it's unbelievable just what kind of human beings these people are. What on earth must their parents and communities be doing to breed such hate? It's a very sad state of affairs when you come to play a GAME, for enjoyment and as an escape from the real world, that you have to face such hate on such an intensely regular scale. If these people (and admittedly, so many are kids/teenagers) behaved like that in my class, they'd face suspension or expulsion. But as I've said for a long time now, the human race is a lost cause. However, I do wish your experience here to be better than what I have had so far. There ARE good eggs here, I have a few people on my list that I always look forward to seeing online, and despite all the frustration, I still keep coming back. All we can do is try to rise above it all, and enjoy it along the way. Good luck! :D
duckarp (EUNE)
: Can't login
Can't login here either. Just get a 'failure' notice, then several attempts to reconnect, then a 'connection error' message and the client closes. It can't be an ISP issue if so many people in so many countries are having it, that just doesn't make sense. Also the same issue when I try EUW. ISP: Lilonet Strzyżów, Poland.
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