Hansiman (EUNE)
: Greetings. I'm sorry that I haven't responded to this thread earlier, but I've been mostly away from the boards today. I've had a look at the case in question, and brought the matter up internally with the other moderators for a discussion. --- The thread in question was removed due to the direction it was taking. Account trading/sharing/sales/purchases in any form is a strict violation of the ToU, and do result in permabans. The reason action was taken on certain comments was that they do serve to promote, or in some form advertise, the act of trading in a manner that violates the ToU. In your comments, you weren't just explaining how simple economics work, but you were also mentioning places a person could go in order to trade accounts, and making a claim that penalty wouldn't be done by Riot before a trade was complete. The latter is not accurate, as any account detected to be attempted to be sold, will be at risk of being permabanned even if no such trade ever ends up taking place. After reviewing your case, we do believe that you had no intention to promote these activites. However, due to the severity of the ToU violation this act represents, we have to remove posts that do promote (although unintentionally in this case) this behaviour. As a result of the internal debate we've had, and your explanation, I'll update the ban to end within an hour. Just make sure to not inadvertently promote cases of account trading again. --- This being said, I'd like to respond to some remarks you make here in this thread: > They need just a couple of seconds to look at a post or comment and ban it without even thinking about it, but as soon as someone complains and wants their ban to be lifted they need literal hours to respond Moderation is for the most part done by volunteers, and we do this without any form of compensation from Riot. We're not "on the clock" required to be here at certain times of the day, but devote our own personal time to help out with these tasks. We can't guarantee you that every single thread will get viewed by a volunteer at the moment it's posted. Your statement here is honestly a little disrespectful towards the volunteers. Sometimes a post may get attention fast, while other times it may take longer. That may simply have to do with the fact that we aren't available 100% of the time, and it can simply be a coincidence that a post gets attention swiftly, while others do not. Also, when cases like this arise, where moderation action is questioned, it is common practice for us to take the matter up internally to get more opinions on the matter. This was done when the thread was first brought to attention to one of the volunteers, and even then it's normal that we'll have to wait for a few moderators to be available to discuss it. This usually doesn't take very long since there's generally someone available, but there are times where nobody is around for a while. --- > The message I got just sais I've been banned for "Account Sharing". Whatever this means, I don't know. I fully agree that the message sent to you didn't explain the reason of the deletion well enough. Since we have to handle a large number of posts every day, we mostly use templates. In this case, the template should have been edited before sending it out to you to better explain the reason of the deletion. That ones on us. --- Hopefully this provides you with a better explanation of the matter. If you have any further questions, don't be afraid to ask.
Finally a reponse! Thank you very much! Okay, I understand. Yeah I agree, some things I said were not as accurate. I think I stumbled over my own words. But nontheless I appreciate that you recognize that I didn't _intentionally_ broke the rules. Also I want to apologize for my disrespectful comment regarding the moderators responding late. But you have to understand that 10 minutes or so after posting my comment I got this ban. Compare that to this 4-5 hour discussion I had with the community and you should see where I am comming from. I understand that the moderation process may take long, but still I have to ask why deleting comments is so much easier than removing bans. I mean, you just said you had an internal discussion about what you are going to do with this post. But it doesn't look like you had such a discussion if I deserved the ban in the first place, or do I not understand this correctly? I think banning people because of controversial topics should take just as much thought as unbanning them again. Just the fact that I got this template message instead of a better explained one shows how little thought went into my ban. I wish the moderators will put more thought into who and what to ban in the future, especially when the discussion is controversial. Thank you for lowering the ban. I'll just shut up now and wait out my 100% deserved ban.
PepijndM (EUW)
: If we can not say anything that might offend anyone, we have to prepare to live in silence. With faces devoid of emotion, and hidden gestures. Better rule: anyone who can't handle 20 mins of /r/dankmemes should see a psychiatrist.
> Better rule: anyone who can't handle 20 mins of /r/dankmemes should see a psychiatrist. LOL I can't handle even a couple of seconds of it. I tell you /r/dank_meme is where the actual spicy memes are. /r/dankmemes tries to be edgy, but falls straight on it's face. It is nothing but edgy. People forget that memes are funny, and if your memes are only edgy and don't contain an actual joke, then they are not funny. That's why I find /r/dank_meme better, because there people actually try to make jokes. I'll be it they don't post that often and the quality is not that good, but the humor is genius.
: All this 'want', you're rather entitled :)
What would you do if you are unjustly banned? You would want an explanation aswell.
: was it that post of the guy bragging about his 800 skins ? xD
How many he/she had I don't know. But I remember that he/she had many skins and he/she definetely had all ultimate skins. He/she showed a screenshot of the skin tab in the client.
: Gonna report this as offensive. This is offensive to me because you are trying to defend yourself against something that you shouldn't have to defend yourself for. Disgusting. You got a punishment for basically informing people about basic stuff without breaking the rules in any way? Despicable. YOU EVEN POSTED IN THE WRONG BOARD FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO POST IT ON THE RIGHT BOARD? DISTURBING! ...you'll get permabanned soon... for saying hi to a female player in a videogame...
She said she was 18 ;(
KerberosFi (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Rismosch,realm=EUNE,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=Ev9lFvkc,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2018-05-05T15:16:40.591+0000) > > Well, if the discussion was inappropriate (which is very likely that it was actually), why then did they ban me because of account sharing? Wouldn't they ban me then for discussing an inappropriate topic instead? https://i.imgur.com/VKXWPYo.jpg I'm just as curious to hear from them.
I feel like the discussion is dead. 40 minutes now without any new comments and the mods don't want to show themselfes. Weird. They need just a couple of seconds to look at a post or comment and ban it without even thinking about it, but as soon as someone complains and wants their ban to be lifted they need literal hours to respond -.-
KerberosFi (EUNE)
: source:[Universal Boards Rules](https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/announcements-en/3eWpXbJi-universal-boards-rules-updated-27-04-16#Mature) > > Inappropriate Discussions > > League of Legends caters to a wide audience of players, some as young as 12 years old. While you may be an adult and want to talk about adult things, these boards are not the place for that. This is a gaming community, not a place to discuss political agenda's. Also while something may be legal in your country, keep in mind that it may not be in other places within Europe, and we've got to go with the lowest common denominator in these sorts of discussions. > > Moderators will be looking for discussions around things such as: > ● Religion > ● Sex > ● Politics > ● Any social issues, though some exceptions may be appropriate (e.g., internet legislation) > > While you may genuinely be trying to have a mature discussion, if our moderators feel like the discussion has potential to derail and become something not fit for these boards, we may proactively remove these sorts of threads. Our moderators will give you a detailed explanation as to why in these instances. > I don't know if it was due to this. Also theexplanation, account sharing, is quite weird :/ I feel you buddy.
Well, if the discussion was inappropriate (which is very likely that it was actually), why then did they ban me because of account sharing? Wouldn't they ban me then for discussing an inappropriate topic instead? Even in the message I got they said: > Account trading or sharing is explicitly against the Terms and Conditions of League of Legends. They treat me as if I did share accounts, as if I would have promoted account sharing, which I did not do. So the only reasons I see that I've been banned are these: - I did not break the rules and a mod misunderstood me - I did break the rules, but a mod banned me for the wrong reason (I should've been banned for inappropriate discussion instead of account saring) - I did break the rules and was banned for the right reason, but I just don't agree with it I think the last option is very unlikely, but the first and second one seem to be very reasonable.
KerberosFi (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Rismosch,realm=EUNE,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=Ev9lFvkc,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-05-05T12:54:12.072+0000) > If informing people about the holocaust and explaining the history of nazi-germany is illegal, then all historians should be put in jail, no? >Of course racism is a bad thing and today it's illegal, but talking about it is still allowed, isn't it? Of course account sharing is illegal because of Riots ToU, but talking about it should still be allowed, shouldn't it? > > So I want to know, why I was banned. And if there is no reason for the ban, then I want the ban to be removed ASAP The big difference is that what is allowed in real world is not neccessarily neccessarily allowed here on boards. It's called boards rules, and they unfortunately do probhit more mature topics. I don't exactly know what was the case but I don't like your chances to get it lifted.
But where in the Boards Rules is it written that talking about it is not allowed? The message I got just sais I've been banned for "Account Sharing". Whatever this means, I don't know. It could mean I did share accounts, but it could also mean I promoted it, which both I did not do in my opinion. I was talking about the economics and how they work, but I did not promote accountsharing. Also I would provide you with the exact comment I've written if I had access to it. All I have now is my memory and that ban that wears of tomorrow. If you want to see the comment, a mod has to share it.
: looooool you might get some help on the discord. If you had account shared your entire account would've been banned, not only the boards, so it's definitely just because you shared some of your nazi ideas xD i remember your name from somewhere tho, don't know where
I am a very active boards user. You most likely saw me somewhere. Also I commented on a few posts you made: https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-en/F2cmUItH-how-do-you-know-which-is-allys-ghost-poro-and-whichs-enemys?comment=0000 https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/bug-reports-eu/ahiYnsUp-does-it-considered-as-a-bug?comment=00000001
Makoodzaka (EUNE)
: > If informing people about the holocaust and explaining the history of nazi-germany is illegal, then all historians should be put in jail, no? It is illegal and many historians suffered greatly for it. Right now there are several people on trial in the UK for even mocking the DEBUNKED MYTHS of the lampshades and soap bars.
maybe it's illegal to share false data or denying bad stuff that happens. I live in germany and in school the put so much emphasis on what happened during the nazi time. For me it became super boring, that's how much it is told about in schools. If it would be illegal, why is it tought so much?
Mìmo (EUNE)
: **_Price is dependant on demand _** On some way u approve sharing/selling acc. and try help that person to find out how it works , or its just way they see it , funny how ppl who are all time here posting/replying get easy ban xD
Elaborate please. How can the most basic economic rule lead to a ban?
: It's only a temporary ban, honestly. Being in a store and publicly informing someone that he could also rob the store would get you removed, no? Being in a police station and talking about how you can beat someone up, will probably also get you in trouble with the police. Same as talking about account sharing and buying. Maybe the person you replied to or someone who read it didn't know that there is a market for buying accounts. You just informed them of that. "Yeah I know drugs are illegal, and you shouldn't buy it, BUT there are plenty of places around town where you can get it." I understand you got temp banned from the forums. I'm not saying that you should have been banned, but I understand.
> [{quoted}](name=Player3Th0mas,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=Ev9lFvkc,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-05-05T14:01:44.145+0000) > > It's only a temporary ban, honestly. > > Being in a store and publicly informing someone that he could also rob the store would get you removed, no? > Being in a police station and talking about how you can beat someone up, will probably also get you in trouble with the police. > > Same as talking about account sharing and buying. Maybe the person you replied to or someone who read it didn't know that there is a market for buying accounts. You just informed them of that. > > "Yeah I know drugs are illegal, and you shouldn't buy it, BUT there are plenty of places around town where you can get it." > > I understand you got temp banned from the forums. I'm not saying that you should have been banned, but I understand. I don't see how any of your scenarious would get you into legal problems. Of course it will gives you attention and it makes you unlikeable, but it shouldn't cause legal trouble.
: Send in one ticket, you will join the queue and Riot Support will get to your issue when they have got through those that came before you. Sending in more than one ticket is counter-productive and will mean that your request will only be dealt with at a later stage. Be patient, Summoner.
I know how Riot Supports works. And I don't want to send a ticket, because when they answer it my ban will be expired already. Also I want the mods to respond, not Riot Support.
: > they surely are discussing right now if they want to ban this post I don't think they have so much free time to look at every butt-hurt member crying about a ban
It's literally the Supports job to respond to tickets that are sent in. I wouldn't waste anyones time if I would send a ticket., no matter if butthurt or not.
: They also issue warnings for the first (and second?) post that violates their TOU. I know I got one where they told me my comment got removed but would not be receiving punishment as long as I (now) follow the TOU
Well it was definetely not my first suspension. I was banned a few times a year ago or so. All 100% deserved. Funnily enaugh, just a few days ago an emmisarry told me those punishemts were so old, my account was basically clean. And now I managed to catch a ban again, which in my opinoin is not deserved. This is the first punishment I got which I think is not deserved.
: Note that riot has the absolute word in the end, acting like, no offense, a brat and wanting more time spent on your punishment than is needed won't give you much of a good word between the people who handle this. Also, didn't you get a notification that explained it with the message on the ban? I know I got explained why something was removed (wrong board, a reply that was in bad taste, etc.)
I added a screenshot of the message I got.
: Hence why I told you to wait it out in the other reply to your other comment.
I still want an explanation if the ban is deserved.
: So you are arguing here about a 24h ban from the boards? Isnt there... summer outside where you live?
Sun is my natural enemy.
: I mean, it could be seen as enciting people to break the tou, but if it's not a perma ban on the boards I think it's enough to wait it out.
Then I want that a mod points out exactly what I said, that got me the ban. If I do deserve the ban, I want a detailed explanation exactly why I deserve it.
: While there are cases of mods escalating bans if it's deemed worthy I have yet to see a forum mod (probably only rioters, "red names" that have the power or contacts to do that) remove punishments straight up because of a board post. Tl;dr contact support, this is 99% community, 1% riot
Support takes a day to repsond, and till then my ban is expired. The mods are here and I want them to respond.
: The mods dont have any influence on your account though. Riot support can unban it.
Yes they do have influence on my account. I've seen a case like a week ago where Torpedosheep unbanned someone who didn't deserve a ban. Let me remind you, I've been banned from the forums, not the game. Mods have total control over your account here on the boards.
: Do not say anything negative, in any way or form. Think "can anyone be offended by this, even if it's super crazy to be offended?", if the answer is yes, don't post it.
I don't think I was offensive. I don't have access to the comment, because the post and the comment have been deleted, but I think I was very neutral about this. I tried to inform people, not bash on them. The thing is, I was banned because of "Account Sharing", not because I insulted people.
: Contact riot support and explain it to them/ask them to look into the matter. Sometimes their site is bugged, so try to log into it after you log out of the boards if you can't log in :)
Why should I contact Support when the mods are here on the boards? The mods are here and they surely are discussing right now if they want to ban this post aswell.
: Just so I'm getting this straight in my head, was it banned from the game or just the forums?
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