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DeCoqq (EUW)
: Well, you dont see tanks in any elo and there is reason why.
U need to be high elo to find any
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: {{champion:103}} {{champion:25}} Also a lot of supports(Karma % missing health for example). {{champion:69}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:203}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:11}} (meditate is still healing from non-damage source){{champion:36}} . Justto name a few
And how is that a lot of heal that you have to spend gold against it? roflmao
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: What i meant is that anything that doesnt teal physical damage makes bramble vest obsolete. Ever moreso if the enemy doesn't need to use basic attacks
Who has healing from non physical damage or non basic attacks except Vladimir?
: I suppose you are trolling since you already pointed out that bramble vest users usually don't complete thornmail early.
My internet,or a bug which showed that they didn't appeared.Anyway I deleted the duplicates. They indeed do not complete thornmail early since is not worth it.
Zanador (EUNE)
: He can be an idiot sometimes. Jax has insane built in damage, that's why he can go for tanky build in the first place. Plus Fiora basically only deals damage with auto attacks and Jax is immune to those for 2 seconds then Fiora is stunned for another 1 sec. He already had farm advantage+one kill up and both of them played dueling bruisers. He also ignores the fact that he had mobility advantage from the upgraded boots against an enemy with no boots at all, who was overextended on the blue side of the lane and that alone would have been enough for a kill since he already had the advantage. He would have won that duel no matter what he bought and that includes 2 {{item:3070}} since he had a serious advantage in level+farm and he had a hard counter champion in this match up. Math time: Jax on lvl7 with ult activated has 80 armor, Fiora with those items has 114 AD as shown in the clip. Fiora only attacked twice, so Ninja Tabi blocked about 26-27 damage total. Tabi+Bramble gave Jax 55 extra armor. With his base 80 armor he would have reduced the combined damage of two auto attacks by 100-102 while his increased armor of 138 reduced the same total damage by 130 instead. So with this build he blocked 27+30=57 damage in that fight. If anyone, including Hashinshin himself thinks that his item choices decided that fight, then they simply don't see the full picture. If anything, we should be talking about the damage creep in the game. Fiora died in 5 seconds against the base damage of a champion. If anything, we need tankier champions and items or lowered overall damage if this is not the result we want. Oh and once again, this is about bruisers building tank items and not tanks with tank items.
True,Jax always wins vs Fiora even in late game even if you parry his E. Most of the bruisers go Bramble Vest and nobody goes the 800 item unless is against Vladimir. Which makes it so strong.
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: Hate to spoil your party, but it becomes useless as soon as someone gets as much as %%%%ing conqueror. It only stops you from healing as usual but even then the damage gets mitigatee by most lifesteal champs. If anythinf it's on the weakside
Conqueror deals only 10% from 20% and less ad and requires stacking. So basically conqueror is not that good anymore and is often replaced by other keystones by pros and high elo players.Even on champion like Irelia or Yasuo,even Fiora now.They nerfed it because of Riven
: And tell me, how am I supposed to win lane as Irelia main vs Tryndamere without Bramble vest? TELL ME PLEASE? xD
Buy the item made for bruisers against healing,the 800 that nobody uses.If bramble vest is not too strong then how is it bought by bruisers against bruisers ?
Zanador (EUNE)
: Because bramble vest does not win you the lane. As you say, it gives tanks a great advantage in 1v1 all-ins, but that only wins the lane if the bruiser only knows how to win by all-ins. Beating tanks in lane has always been about zoning out the opponent and getting a farm advantage. Wave control, good teleports and map awareness wins when tanks are involved, not duels.
If we put together ninja tabis and bramble vest,a lot of tanks can outheal the damage bruisers deal.Conqueror now is half as good as before which makes all things easier,for tanks. Which is true about zoning and all but tanks have a much better teamfight than bruisers.
: {{item:3075}} is too weak!
That's true,that's why nobody upgrades it to thornmail unless late game
DeCoqq (EUW)
: Tanks have been pure crap for over a year now. Bruiser are still the strongest class, they are more tankier than tanks and do tons of dmg. If you lose your lane with bruiser against tank it has nothing to do with bramble vest
It helps him win lane much easier with bramble vest. I don't think in silver elo you will find tanks bud either on support lane.
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=SKT T1 POSITIVE,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=sTnp2J9Y,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-04-03T16:36:04.699+0000) > > If we compare that to our AD or AP counterparts the AD has 15 ad and no unique passive for 200 gold less so it has less stats and no unique passive and to AP (Morelicom or whatever is spelled) Here's your first mistake. You're comparing an item that requires you to **receive** damage to a different item that requires you to **deal** damage. You're comparing apples to oranges. *** > [{quoted}](name=SKT T1 POSITIVE,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=sTnp2J9Y,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-04-03T16:36:04.699+0000) > > Well if you play as a tank against an AD Healer (Fiora,Irelia etc) it will win your lane easily Here's your second mistake. You think buying Bramble against an AD champion will win you the lane. News flash: it won't. Against Fiora in particular, the extra armour won't do much either. Fiora was designed to beat Tanks, because of her true damage. True damage ignores armour. *** > [{quoted}](name=SKT T1 POSITIVE,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=sTnp2J9Y,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-04-03T16:36:04.699+0000) > > Now tanks are good in teamfights so why do they have an item to win easily the laning phase too? Tanks don't "win" laning phase, but they don't "lose" it either. *** I'm not against removing the Grievous Wounds from Brumble, but the way you framed your argument is really poor. Don't make an argument for/against something starting with false premisses. >###*Context is always a good thing. [Here is why the OP is complaining about Brumble](*
So first of all in any game numbers are different and much more.You find something is broken by being better than other things in the game.That's why I compared those 2.Dealing damage < Taking damage since you can't attack multiple targets at once without runaan but multiple targets can attack you at once.(And bramble vest cost 200 more but gives much better stats and an unique passive). True damage ignores armor but Fiora passive is dog shit in early since it scales with bonus ad, so till 2-3 items,you can't kill a tank using passive unless you hit like 20.Buying bramble vest into a healing ad champion will increase your chances to win lane since you can all in now better than most of them. Tanks can easily win laning phase when they buy armor/mr.It's the point where they are the best and when they powerspike.Late game they get demolished and early game aswell. Here is my 2 questions to you then,why people that play bruisers opt in for bramble vest instead of the executioner? And why they almost never complete it until last item or sells it at the end?(Unless Vladimir)
: What are you talking about? AD Users have executioners calling which is cheaper and applies grievous wounds for 3 times as long as Bramble vest lol
Executioners is 200 gold less but only 15 ad while that 1000 item gives a ton of armor and an unique passive on top of that it applies to the attackers which is much easier than you attacking them since you can hit that on multiple targets easily
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: Well it resets if it hits a marked target. If it gets stopped mid dash for whatever reason then it hasn't hit the marked target so it won't reset.
The tooltip says otherwise.If the target was not if it hits
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: Tristana Jump
For all who tries to explain this how is intentional,I know that it is and I suggest to not be anymore since it's frustating in higher elo,people just abusing that over and over again
: Spear of Shojin should be melee only, or reverted to the old version.
The spear is much weaker than the old essence reaver.
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VIT Laati (EUNE)
: Says the one playing Karthus.
I might play Karthus but I can't use 2 abilities that cannot be dodged and have a huge range to one shot someone even when behind.
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