Saibbo (EUW)
: >Doesn’t mean every marksmen where viable mid or top lane... but there was the option of picking a marksman in those lanes thus the class had representation... Hell jungle and support had marksmen as well. fair enough i agree, there was Mordekaiser and Zigg bot lane too, maybe not at the same extend.. now there's only non-ADC, ezreal? lucian? not even kaisa is being played at least from the game i saw in LCS >Even Ziggs who saw popularity quickly fizzled out because there wasn’t a reason to pick him over a marksman after all the nerfs to towers there's not really a reason to pick a champion to demolish towers since they became piece of papers even to tanks >And that can be fixed with buffs... but adcs have essentially been dominating the game since S1, there has never been a meta where they have truly struggled, unlike all the other classes... it was about time and the diversity in the bot lane makes it a hell of a lot better for everyone long term "ADC in 2k17". They were dominant and there's a reason they are/were called AD_Carry_ and they had an entire role that is/were dedicated to protect him all time. >the diversity in the bot lane stays then everybody is happy... idk if those who are happy of this diversity are actually playing ADC as a primary role, as far as i know ADC is one of the most popular role, probably for a reason.
lmao, dude i'm a support main. we got hit harder than you guys
: > don't generalize just because corki and ezreal were played mid and lucian and vayne were played top since they are good at dueling, ~70% of the marksman can't play in a solo lane at all. Doesn’t mean every marksmen where viable mid or top lane... but there was the option of picking a marksman in those lanes thus the class had representation... Hell jungle and support had marksmen as well. > it's not that they weren't viable, people just didn't play other stuff instead of ADC, i say this because how you could say that AP mages couldn't be played bot if anyone tried them at all? at least at a higher elos They wherent meta because having one there deprived you of a marksman, which in turn cripples your scaling, seiging, and teamfighting... plus mages are level dependant so aren’t the best in a duo lane... Even Ziggs who saw popularity quickly fizzled out because there wasn’t a reason to pick him over a marksman > now more than half marksman are unplayed. And that can be fixed with buffs... but adcs have essentially been dominating the game since S1, there has never been a meta where they have truly struggled, unlike all the other classes... it was about time and the diversity in the bot lane makes it a hell of a lot better for everyone long term > subjective, i liked play certain type of ADCs now i can't play them at all in any role without feeding. The two things are unrelated... while the bot lane meta did open up due to adcs falling out of the meta for once, if riot can stabilise it so that adcs are viable and the diversity in the bot lane stays then everybody is happy... maybe it’s even time to drag a few of the marksmen out of the bot lane, make them suited to other roles to promote even more diversity... it’s been done with both graves and corki and both have thrived.
vayne is still very good in toplane, as long as people use cdr-defensive build relying on his w rather than raw dps.
Saibbo (EUW)
: >there was never a time in Leagues history where marksmen weren't supreme in Botlane. s1? {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} >In toplane you can (could) play tanks, bruisers, fighters, mages, _marksmen_, In jungle you can (could) play tanks, bruisers, assassins, In midlane you can (could) play tanks, mages, assassins, _marksmen_, don't generalize just because corki and ezreal were played mid and lucian and vayne were played top since they are good at dueling, ~70% of the marksman can't play in a solo lane at all. >There were off-meta picks, but never ever was another role than marksmen viable in the ADC spot. it's not that they weren't viable, people just didn't play other stuff instead of ADC, i say this because how you could say that AP mages couldn't be played bot if anyone tried them at all? at least at a higher elos >and fun. subjective, i liked play certain type of ADCs now i can't play them at all in any role without feeding. >And I don't see how it's a bad thing either. now more than half marksman are unplayed.
generalize? lmao, every adc was played mid, including sivir, ashe, caitlyn, tristana and even jinx. caitlyn top became very opressive pick leaving the enemy toplaner usually in stitches if the jungler didn't come around ganking
Glaiver (EUNE)
: Is Riot trying to make people leave the game for good?
it's because people are unwilling to adapt.
: > [{quoted}](name=Scrinnid,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=He55XP15,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-17T18:38:51.333+0000) > > The game is decided that early only when people dont know countermeasures. Right now, not many have learned any way to counter early lane pressure, since the mitigation got hit by a truck. > > However, there are ways for lategame carries to shine and that means using early- and midgame waveclearers(Shyv/Siv/lux, teemo etc) to delay the game past the midgame point. gl waveclearing, when u dont have inhib on 14 minute lul.
siege minions take more damage from magic damage. an amumu can clear the whole wave of 6 supers+laneminions while tanking their and opposing teams damage. however he needs to build defence fast and forget about going ap. give me a sivir with bc and shyv and i'll show you how to deal with that tiny minion wave. or my personal favorite is nidalee. jump jump jump jump wave gone xd
Gnirk (EUW)
: Riot takes the versatility away from the game
{{champion:76}} top, mid, jungle, adc, support. after 7 seasons(now 8th going) and total of 10 years playing, the moment I discovered her I never abandoned her. While she does need some resistance increase in melee form for sole melee play, she has that weakness because she is supposed to be assasin...but she is caspable of everything in the right hands. literally everything
Rokhe (EUW)
: The game stopped to be fun when they got rid of super popular champions like Old Katarina, Fizz, Leblanc, Fiora and less popular champions like Galio and so on. The game also stopped to be fun when it was all about team-comp. Most players loves to be able to carry, but now it's almost impossible to carry all alone, unless you're hard-smurfing lol... Why is it even based on team-comp, if we can already find out in the champion selection which team is gonna stomp harder than the other team??? This game also stopped to be fun when "all" champions back in the days didn't one shot. Now it's based on who's gonna one shot faster than the other one. :/
: @ RIOT games. Do you want to make this game less toxic ?
So the fact that problem is in douchebag community should be fixed how?
: That's the point of my post, if riot finds an iteration of the item that works the way they wanted it to, they would no longer need to remove the item as a whole but simply rework it
The problem here is that autonomous pushing has always been something that needs to be high risk high reward(herald and void gate, that get spotted and destroyed easly). Banner of command however, has the problem that it either doesnt do enough or it is way too strong. However i do ~~have~~ had an idea in mind, but it needs some thought. Concept: Gives gold for minion kill Buffs a lane minion Doesn't give extra stats unless certain rampup condition is met Or Item itself does not give extra stats until the rampup condition is met. However the concept has same flaw the current item has. It either would be too strong or not used at all.
: Your ideal meta
A meta? I dont think this game never had a meta I couldn't brake so hard everybody was memeing "better nerf the spears"{{champion:76}}
Solash (EUW)
: When you in lane with Miss Fortune and see a low health minion
When a low health minion and low health enemy enough to get killed by 1 q;)
Aparation (EUW)
: rather than which team gets fed first by unlucky roll of events. The game is now decided in the first 10 minutes now, the meta is so early focused it's laughable.
The game is decided that early only when people dont know countermeasures. Right now, not many have learned any way to counter early lane pressure, since the mitigation got hit by a truck. However, there are ways for lategame carries to shine and that means using early- and midgame waveclearers(Shyv/Siv/lux, teemo etc) to delay the game past the midgame point.
: [discusion] How can we fix the meta?
This is just another case of people failing to adapt. Ap ali mid is nothing compared to assasin jinx or janna adc
Rioter Comments
: The Biggest %%%% Up in Rito's Track Record
I honestly think community should stop overreacting
IvanBrony (EUNE)
: i had a malfurion deck that was pretty good but for some reason i just had to buy the shadowreaper anduin and i sold my whole deck for it i dont have many good cards and i havent played the game so i probably missed out on many good quests
Yhea that tends to be a problem. Fortunately konamies decks never go away completely. I use 2 crush cards with my deck. A friend of mine has taken it to next level tho. He uses both blue eyes and dark magician in his deck. It's hard to beat, since it has many known combkes that are quite powerful
Matuš (EUW)
: Ye, funny how this backfires if you think about it. >You get too many tickets >You decide to ignore them and send template reply instead >Player bumps the ticket because of that >You have to answer again By not answering, they only waste their time lul.
Not many players bother replyijg more than twice
Ceberuz (EUW)
: Of course context should matter, as you yourself pointed out some words were in the context of a joke. I find it rather absurd that making a obvious joke can be turned into something extremely offensive, just by taking 1 word out of a sentence.., what about the other 8+ words in the sentence? The problem with this "automated" system is that it is extremely simplistic, for that very reason **any** system-placed penalty should always be verified by a human.
The problem here is that the system also has a lot of junk data it has to disregard instead of analyzing it. It was launched too rapidly
Matuš (EUW)
: I sent a ticket yesterday, will update post with answer when I get one.
You have to reply a few times with exact same message until they start reading it. It's common issue since the support is cluttered with same posts that are aimed at nothing more than...well...venting
RADCP (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Scrinnid,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=PAfUrl85,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2018-06-16T11:47:12.118+0000) > > At this point your intent was hostile towards riot company. As such, whether they unban you or not is their decision. > > In your place i'd file a ticket cause right now your arquementation is incomplete. How was his actions hostile to Riot, what is wrong you? He just proved the system is flawed, that is no way an hostile action, remember something through your life if someone points a flaw in you (depending how) it is not to offend you but to help you improve on it, do not let your ego dictate how much you can improve yourself!
Nothing wrong with me. While pointing out a flaw in riot system is good, there is a problem of context. The context can only matter up to a point. In this case, however, not only was the objective to prove that riot system is faulty, the side consequence was that it also proved the system easly avoidable. He also meant no harm in his intent, but when a system is being judged openly, criminals of that system are sure to follow so they can find loopholes of that system. And thats unforeseen hostility towards riot, altho, nonintentional. I would lift the ban however, knowing riot support, you need to bash 3 times before that even happens because of how much clutter there is in the support system regarding this exact same issue.
Sammepepe (EUW)
: aS An AvId IrElIa PlAyEr I think that you are superior to the mankind, i'd also like to adress that it's very humble of you to practice football and dance to show the humanity good sport. I've also acknowledge that you are participating in a championship, noone really asked but nice.
....you missed my point by so many miles i didn't even see the giant log flying there..only that you threw it somewhere
IvanBrony (EUNE)
: i never finished the stick of truth mostly because of fear of my parents walking into my room and seeing god knows what south park universe puts on the screen first i am a fan of the series but how would you explain fighting a gnome under swinging boobs and balls of your in game parents to your parents it would literally create a south park situation in real life but this time you would be Butters
Lmao..,that would be....tricky??? Xd just say omg they killed kenny xd
IvanBrony (EUNE)
: i have heard only bad things about ark also dota is hard and hots is boring i mean you just lock in sylvanas and gg
IvanBrony (EUNE)
: well i played csgo a lot but recently there is nothing interesting being put into the game and even if it is i would most likely have to pay for it so untill they update it to source 2 engine or untill they update left 4 dead 2 to source 2 i will most probably not play any valve games since i finished almost all of them with a few exceptions like half life ep 1 and 2 and hl1 the game that is close to my heart is portal 2 and i will forever be a fan only valve knew how to make great singleplayer with drama, humor, dark humor, mind games, puzzles, action, fun how did they do it idk but long live lord gaben
Payday gang still beats valve. Sadly overkill sold their game before finishing it
IvanBrony (EUNE)
: i played it but its too much based on rng which i despise
Thats where you are only half correct. TGC games like Yu Gi Oh and Hearthstone rely on 2 things. 1) Chain reaction throughout whole deck OR 2) small card comboes reaching anywhere from 2 to 5 card comboes. Decks need to be built around their key cards. For yu gi oh, the Blue eyes deck has to be build on supporting the Blue Eyes. Dark Magician deck supporting the Dark Magician, Red Eyes Black Dragon deck supporting the Red Eyes etc etc. A good deck is always a balance of utility and creatures. You want to combine weaker ones with stronger ones to form a deck that is both hard to beat and hard to destroy.
: Ever heard of c&c renegade? (if u like it ofc) Search Renegade X
Not exactly my series. Try red alert 3 uprising;) and ofc the mod that makes aircraft carriers almost invincible xd
IvanBrony (EUNE)
: This game is trash now and I don't wanna play Fortnite! Any suggestions?
#Mobile: Astronest (Which takes great time and dedication to become a true endgamer and be able to beat CMV (best player in the game). While the microtransactions do give you a head start and that start can become huge, by lvl 70 it starts to even out. Lvl 30-50 tho is quite a dead area as many people quit during those levels, since they didn't think their strategy through and think that all hope is lost. ===///=== Forge Of Empires. The ultimate strategy game. As empire builder it has more options than any other game in that category. You can go agressive, you can go farmville, you can develop slowly or rush through ages fast. Buying diamonds is never worth it exept when supporting the game. Also constantly replanning the city makes a huge challenge. However the game is far from slow based thanks to being limited by resources only. ============///=========== Vagrant commander. This is the ultimate underdog game. As long as you know how, no matter how much money the top dog spends, he can easly get wiped out. Best games out there but has quite a colorful community...from straight out douchebags to just people who want to show off their wallet and go home crying when free players kick their butt. --- PC: One of my favorites are need for speed series. And the best of them all is need for speed most wanted 2005. Race around and smash into cops to rack up wins and bounty to climb in blacklist. Altho simplistic in design, the game houses a lot of opportunities for tuning your car to perfection. Also one wrong slip in picking the cards when beating blacklist rivals can make it harder to complete the game. And then theres the community challenges, most nutorious of them are 2h or longer pursuits that test every bit of your driving magic. That is, if you want to record your gameplay and upload to youtube. NFSCarbon was decent as well, with few unique, hard to achieve easter eggs in it. The more recent the series, the worse it gets sadly. Even Most Wanted 2010 release hardly resembles the title at all. Payback however is still receiving some patches, but I doubt it will ever be as big of a hit as most wanted ever was. --- Then there is command and conquer series. However, the servers of command and conquer multiplayer are shut down(thanks to gamespy shutting them down and ea unwilling to open the servers). As such, for multiplayer an outside program has to be acquired such as https://cncnet.org Singleplayers are thrilling and test both strategic and micromanagement skills. Especially those clutch stealth backdoors. My personal favorite is now nowhere to be found World In Conflict. The game has so many ways to go wrong and only one way to go right. And since there are some bugs, you can crash the game or get stuck in a mission if you succeed in defending an onslaught that should have killed you. Sadly support for the game is gone and it even doesnt appear in companies homepage. --- And personal favorite in crashing cars? Ofcourse the allmighth flatout 2 and it's remade(buffed and crazed out version) ultimate carnage. Not to mention, half my gaming music comes from these series. --- First person action, it's metal gear rising revengence. A game of patience, strategy and micromanagement. You have to know when to do and what. And you need to apply that knowledge fast to get the S grade and most resources needed to upgrade your blade.
Matuš (EUW)
: I tested Riots ban system: HOW TO GET BANNED WITHOUT ANY FLAME
At this point your intent was hostile towards riot company. As such, whether they unban you or not is their decision. In your place i'd file a ticket cause right now your arquementation is incomplete.
: Ultimate green dot removed. Intended or bug?
: Community asks,-developers deliver,and thats how the game makes the community and community makes the game.So dont put everything on the community.
Dont need to, the community does it themself
: Tank support with dmg and cc: my favorite is {{champion:223}} Supports with dmg are usually the supports that are used mostly as mid lane such as:{{champion:1}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:161}} . Some more champions with high dmg are :{{champion:143}} , {{champion:43}} ,{{champion:555}} ,{{champion:63}} ,{{champion:9}} . And one of my favorite off-meta support is {{champion:78}}
Oh yhea, fiddle support is just bonkers
: Sorry, but are you kidding me? I can do shit with those imho with a "bad team scenario". Can you explain why do you say those pls? I might miss something important.
You asked for tons of damage cc support tank. Nami is one of those who can go full tank and still deal eecent damage, always has cc and her heals are just plain stupid if you can get them to bounce. She is easy to pick up but very hard to use properly. Also...if you manage to get a lead and go ap nami, then that thing is just busted
: > [{quoted}](name=DarkGargos,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=xl921ggU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-06-15T09:26:13.882+0000) > > That was one of my intentions, but I need to learn how to support with him. As I see, its just a crystal cannon to do damage but LITTLE SUPPORT. Isn't it? so, you want a tank that heals does damage and has cc ? XD
Ahem...pyke. with FoL
Glaiver (EUNE)
: What patch changes made this crazy meta where supports are mid and fighters replacing adcs?
The fact that one class actually got balanced when rest of the classes are still overpowered. The power needs to be toned down and redistributed on all classes. That, quite frankly, is an update that would require a whole season canceled, which means that it would also require ALOT MORE people paying so the game can continue development when esports can't sponsor it. So instead Riot is doing it step by step trying to keep the game as close to balance as possible
: WTF Has This Game Become?
It's the community that makes the game, not developers. Developers only give us the game the community asks for. And right now, the comminity is showing that this is the bullshit they asked by their own bullshit behaviour.
: Why dont we have country flags yet?
To avoid comments like "stupid french, stupid poles, stupid russians" etc
: Hiring lyte was one of the worst decisions they made. Good thing he was fired. But then they go ahead and hire ghostcrawler right after blizzard fired him. They hire the guy who ruined wow to balance their game. 195 iq moves rito.
you mean the guy who basically singlehandedly smoked every little "I got unfairly banned" thread? errm...I rather have more lytes if it wasnt for his other side
: WTF Has This Game Become?
{{item:3123}} bb vlad. basically another qq thread...with quite a lot of senseless rage at that. i dont really see why people are complaining
: Astronest: Not a moba Much smaller developer Mobile rather than PC I ain't even saying you're necessarily wrong, but the phrase "apples to oranges" comes to mind.
: ahead of the botlane meta
lol? you even ask? {{champion:76}} always at the top of foodchain %%%%%es:D but to be honest, i dont find them any problem to deal with. while they have more than enough damage to wipe me out right away, they first have to get close to me and nobody gets near me if i'm all trapped and netted{{champion:51}}
: I dont get it? What is the problem?
people thinking that if you dont play perfectly like lcs you deserve to be flamed at?:D Or if you dont pick a bruiser instead of adc in botlane you are a troll. oh and if you didn't know already: picking a shielding support is now considered a troll as well:D
Rioter Comments
DDEK123 (EUW)
: This game is so "freaking crap" right now.
Remember the eve nerfs in season 1? This is nothing compared to that.
: How long until we get back to normal
The whole god damn issue is that build paths and thus playstyles have changed so drastically people don't know how to adapt. Also add the fact that earlygame short ranged bullies are very strong and ranged champions kiting abilities is not only gutted but also getting more changes due to support changes..there's no wonder the game is a mess
: Whiteknighting is protecting riot in everything they do no matter how %%%%ing terrible it is
lmao…. yhea then you totally misused that word
: it's riot games unwilling to adapt to people with actual knowledge instead of listening to riot whiteknights.
The people with actual knowledge are people who use their champions and the game mechanism to the fullest. Season 6 and 7 had the most diversity in picks. However preseason changes tossed it all up as people were asking more than riot could deliver. So eh... probably different views on knowledgeable people. What is whiteknight?
: > [{quoted}](name=Scrinnid,realm=EUNE,application-id=slFBEUB8,discussion-id=5NE5oiGi,comment-id=000500000003000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-11T23:28:09.573+0000) > > The point was that i rather fire(Ban, to be more precise) crybabies who think it's easy to code multiple blocks of code that have to interact with the rest of the game, live test it, track in real time, find the issue and all at the same time relay how's the issue evolving/being tracked/solved to community while maintaining calm when all the players here do is demand compensation or go full ape insulting riot. Tbh, i wouldn't be surprised if after such uproar they would just cancel the clash completely. Its reasonable to demand compensatikn. Enabling urf isn't that hard, and the majority of players would stop whining...
Not in my eyes. Keep in mind i'm on the majority who lost the rewards as well.
karolmo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Scrinnid,realm=EUNE,application-id=ETj6EdvQ,discussion-id=EynaKXxE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-11T19:26:32.263+0000) > > there is a thing called technical support, where you write down all your suggestions and if they consider it worthwihile to try, they will try it. However if it is something they already have done before they wont be trying it or even bothering answering so you're saying someone should fix for free what riot can't do
So you're whining over a free game that had a major breakdown maybe twice in last 4 seasons?
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: The data gathering from multiple sources about the same issue is the best way to identify the issue. Sole reason in it is that some parts and bits of information can be only viewed on the receiving end. However, to analyze the system completely, you need info on both ends. Hence why i always send reports whenever I have any issues with league. Even if they have their own data, a quality report can ensure that a detail invisible at their side comes visible thanks to receivers data. I said, "is always on fire." not "was already on fire." The difference is that I said EUW is known to have platform issues. And thus I for once expected it to crash. And it seems, i was not the only one. What you said, tho, is that EUW already was having delays and other issues before the clash started and clash only amplified it. That is incorrect. The nuance of wording matters, padawan
> [{quoted}](name=Krazzos,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=jn5jF5uj,comment-id=005f0000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2018-06-12T00:03:19.167+0000) > > Well on that note let's end this with a misunderstanding then rather then further divulge and spend more time debating an issue which occurred a few hours ago. Also... wow Star Wars, "YUCK"...... wow XD :) I have to agree here.
Krazzos (EUW)
: Ok I am curious, how much time do you actually spend on these forums Scrinnid? Cause you seem to be able to type an awful lot and talk in many things too.(btw this is off topic thread so don't report me for not being on the topic XD)
Quite a bit. On all 4 regions i can waste a whole day:D
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