: Chat restriction (Mute) removal appeal.
You can be toxic without using swear words. Your logs show that you were blaming your teammates, threatning to report, threatning people that they will get banned, arguing all the time, creating negative atmosphere in general. All of this is punishable if done in large amounts frequently. If you don't change your behavior you'll keep getting punished.
iaapvper (EUW)
: 10 GAME CHAT RESTRICTION FOR THIS???
Wow, this punishment is so unfair. That Rito. You should contact support and ask them to change your chat restriction to 14-day ban, because that would be a more correct punishment.
: Penalty Unfairness
> Can you, Riot staff members, tell me what is the problem here? Unfortunately these boards are rarely visited by Riot staff members so you're out of luck there :/ > Why is there no penalty for those who purposedly troll in games? There are instant 14-day ban as soon as troll/intentional feeder is spotted. The problem is that the punishments are carried out by an automated system and it's not easy for a computer to detect when someone is trolling or feeding on purpose or just playing poorly. And because there are millions of players playing the game, it's unrealistic for Riot to hire that many employees to spectate games and punish trolling/intentional feeding. > Why hasn't any message popped up in my screen, saying that the user I reported for trolling has been banned? Never in my 3 years of experience have I seen this coming to life. You don't get a message for each punished player. You get these messages very rarely. It's strange that you haven't gotten any in 3 years. I personally get like one message every few days if I play actively and report people. Then again I don't really get trolls and inters in my games and only report flamers and the system doesn't have hard time detecting flaming.
CJXander (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Shozis,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7UcApNhp,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-12T17:26:50.610+0000) > > They might be unacceptably bad or have an unacceptably bad game for their ELO but it's still doesn't necessarily mean that they are inting. It's not about a softer punishment but about the fact that people shouldn't be punished for playing a video game and underperforming. Ok, so if you're saying dying with 3 Actions per minute (APM) isn't intentional feeding for a diamond game, or even below, then dude, you are clearly defending this type of behaviour. Any player should have an average of 90-100 APM in this game, just to let you know .
> [{quoted}](name=CJXander,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7UcApNhp,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-12T17:44:15.340+0000) > > Ok, so if you're saying dying with 3 Actions per minute (APM) isn't intentional feeding for a diamond game, or even below, then dude, you are clearly defending this type of behaviour. > > Any player should have an average of 90-100 APM in this game, just to let you know . Oh, didn't get the APM part. Thought it was something to do with CS. But in that case APM on their own would be an indication of some afk/trolling/inting, and the score is only confirmation of that.
CJXander (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Shozis,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7UcApNhp,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-08-12T14:24:42.461+0000) > > People can have ironlike scores even in higher ELO if that's what you meant. Doesn't make them inters - just bad/unskilled/dumb/tilted. Happens even in the highest ELO if you watch some streamers. > > When I used to watch Dyrus or Bjergsen I even thought to myself: 'These players almost always win their lane, but if they'll go 0/1 or 0/2 they will end up 0/10 because of the tilt of because they'll keep playing agressively trying to get back in the game.' It is unacceptable for a diamond player to have 0/8/0 with 2 APM if that's what you mean. I would instantly call that intentional feeding and issue a permanent ban straight away, no need for softer punishment.
> [{quoted}](name=CJXander,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7UcApNhp,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-12T16:24:39.197+0000) > > It is unacceptable for a diamond player to have 0/8/0 with 2 APM if that's what you mean. I would instantly call that intentional feeding and issue a permanent ban straight away, no need for softer punishment. They might be unacceptably bad or have an unacceptably bad game for their ELO but it's still doesn't necessarily mean that they are inting. It's not about a softer punishment but about the fact that people shouldn't be punished for playing a video game and underperforming.
Bombard1r (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Shozis,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=BJe0JlQi,comment-id=00010000000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-12T14:04:16.900+0000) > > You could compare permaban to life imprisonment without a chance for parole. These punishments are not meant to rehabilitate or reform someone because these prisoners will never be released back into society and are pretty much locked up for life to protect the society from them. > > So what would be an acceptable and humanlike solution then? Riot tried different things like more punishment steps and chat restrictions that could escalate to thousands of games, but nothing was effective. Sure, no system is ideal, but currently it's the best we have. I honestly belive that banning a player for a long period of time is more effective. player that have lost his account for good has nothing to lose anymore and will more likely to be toxic\negative with a new account. this is why with every season the players become more and more toxic and negative. if you get a ban for a 2 month it is more likely that when you regain your account you will vaule it much more. even if you are still toxic, it is much less then with an account you are not afraid of losing. and please don't tell me about riot experiments over the years.
> [{quoted}](name=Bombard1r,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=BJe0JlQi,comment-id=000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-12T14:26:52.820+0000) > > I honestly belive that banning a player for a long period of time is more effective. player that have lost his account for good has nothing to lose anymore and will more likely to be toxic\negative with a new account. this is why with every season the players become more and more toxic and negative. > if you get a ban for a 2 month it is more likely that when you regain your account you will vaule it much more. even if you are still toxic, it is much less then with an account you are not afraid of losing. > and please don't tell me about riot experiments over the years. They tried more steps with longer bans before permabans, but it still didn't work. They've even made an experiment where they gave permabanned players a second chance but it failed misserably because these players were stil toxic. I guess they've just the decided that the current number of punishment steps is enough and if the player doesn't reform after that it's unlikely that he/she will reform even if given more second chances so there's no point allowing them to ruin even more games for other players, even if they will do it in 2 months, in 6 months or in a year. I mean, if you can't control your behavior for the sake of your account after a 14- day where it's says that it's your final warning, what makes you think that you'll be able to control yourself after 2 months ban, 6 months ban or even a 1 year ban? If I'd receive a 14-day ban I would probably turn off chat completely and rip out my 'Enter' key because it's not worth losing my 6 years old account over this.
CJXander (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Shozis,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7UcApNhp,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-08-12T11:29:41.426+0000) > > Intentional feeders are already instantly banned for 14 days as soon as they are spotted. The only problem is that the punishments are carried out by an automatic system, and it's hard for the system to detect when a player is really feeding on purpose, and that's why it often feels like inters and trolls are running free unpunished. Creating an algorythm to make detection more obvious is easier than it sounds, all they have to do is take stats into consideration with division/rank thresholds. I could probably engineer it by myself, but they don't want such a system. It will end up with people being banned at a daily basis.
> [{quoted}](name=CJXander,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7UcApNhp,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-08-12T11:59:42.261+0000) > > Creating an algorythm to make detection more obvious is easier than it sounds, all they have to do is take stats into consideration with division/rank thresholds. I could probably engineer it by myself, but they don't want such a system. It will end up with people being banned at a daily basis. People can have ironlike scores even in higher ELO if that's what you meant. Doesn't make them inters - just bad/unskilled/dumb/tilted. Happens even in the highest ELO if you watch some streamers. When I used to watch Dyrus or Bjergsen I even thought to myself: 'These players almost always win their lane, but if they'll go 0/1 or 0/2 they will end up 0/10 because of the tilt of because they'll keep playing agressively trying to get back in the game.'
Bombard1r (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Shozis,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=BJe0JlQi,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-08-12T10:58:26.252+0000) > > You should understand that permanent bans are not given to reform you or make you a better person, but to show you the door and tell you that you are not welcome in this game anymore because you failed to reform during the previous temporary punishments. maybe each country should take example of riot acts and exile her criminals instead of putting them in jail for rehabilitation? lets show them the door and just get rid of them. because if you failed as a citizen the government (riot in this case) can and should find you unsuitable and unworthy within the majority (as you mentioned before). is that sound right to you? your words just describe what I am arguing about, permanent ban is unacceptable solution. even if the minority does not act as you expect there are other ways of punishment which is much more humanlike
> [{quoted}](name=Bombard1r,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=BJe0JlQi,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2019-08-12T11:48:13.914+0000) > > maybe each country should take example of riot acts and exile her criminals instead of putting them in jail for rehabilitation? lets show them the door and just get rid of them. You could compare permaban to life imprisonment without a chance for parole. These punishments are not meant to rehabilitate or reform someone because these prisoners will never be released back into society and are pretty much locked up for life to protect the society from them. > permanent ban is unacceptable solution. > even if the minority does not act as you expect there are other ways of punishment which is much more humanlike So what would be an acceptable and humanlike solution then? Riot tried different things like more punishment steps and chat restrictions that could escalate to thousands of games, but nothing was effective. Sure, no system is ideal, but currently it's the best we have.
iaapvper (EUW)
: Do you also think RIOT should give 14 days ban for feeding on purpose in one game?
Intentional feeders are already instantly banned for 14 days as soon as they are spotted. The only problem is that the punishments are carried out by an automatic system, and it's hard for the system to detect when a player is really feeding on purpose, and that's why it often feels like inters and trolls are running free unpunished.
Bombard1r (EUNE)
: You choose to delve into the least important issue of course riot should punish for inappropriate behavior my point was that permanent ban is never a solution. do you think that give up a on person makes him a better person? should we as a society remove all the Less cultural as well?
> [{quoted}](name=Bombard1r,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=BJe0JlQi,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-12T09:48:43.325+0000) > > my point was that permanent ban is never a solution. do you think that give up a on person makes him a better person? > should we as a society remove all the Less cultural as well? You should understand that permanent bans are not given to reform you or make you a better person, but to show you the door and tell you that you are not welcome in this game anymore because you failed to reform during the previous temporary punishments.
Bombard1r (EUNE)
: Riot Ineterest Behind Permanent Bans
> if the reason behind permanent bans was to create a better gameplay for the players riot whould have done something about the trolls, afk and the long queue timers. Wrong conclusion. It's actually quite simple really. The punishment system is based on an automatic system, but it's quite hard for a bot to distinguish inting/trolling from simply playing bad or having a bad game. And you can't really expect Riot to hire tens of thousands of employees just for reviewing every game manually. > the real reason is: > Profitable interest That's true, but not in the way you think. It's more profitable and better for the game in general to get rid of players who scare away other players. If someone comes to my restaurant and starts insulting my other customers and dancing naked on the table, I'll show them the door because they'll just scare away my normal customers and I will lose profit. > Riot does not lose anything by permanent banning player They could lose their reputation and players if it turned out that they are punishing players unfairly or doing that only for profit to force players creating new accounts and spending cash again. But the facts are that only a small number of players get permabanned and automatic system rarely makes mistakes when punishing players. > my advice to those who get permanent bans : like every good doctor, i first recommend you to Wean off from the addiction. > you should reaslise that if the company is not accepting your behavior it is not worth of your time or your money. Very good advice. You should stop wasting money if you are unable to change your behavior because you will just lose your account and all the invested money again. Even better advice - why play and even spend money if you don't like the game, the developers and feel ripped off? Isn't it kinda insane? > riot company exists thanks to its players and not the the opposite. Exactly. That's why Riot has to think about the majority (well behaving players) and not the minority (toxic players) who will just scare away the well behaving players.
: WOWOWOWWOW...this is another reason i ll stop play this shitty game: COMUNITY. I CANT BELIVE ALL OF YOU ARE BLAMING ME FOR DIFFERENT THINGS BUT YOU OBVIOUSLY MISSED THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT....seeing that none of you didnt saw that...i dont even know if i still should waste my time but....lets say i ll be good this time also (play since 11 years and im so done with trollers and afk)...from 10 match, 6 are trolls and afk...the other 4 depends on my team...do u thiink this is called FAIR? NOW, as i said, you all missed the most impoprtant info: when game started, i allready told them what to do in order to win (because i am main JUNG and i almost never loose invade and FBlood, but to give kills at the beginning, that was the worst scenario) SO : what u all miss: when game started i told go invade and BOT, go to my red and ward red at 1.30. Why the fk pyke comed?I could also solo invade instead of have all the team there for a kill/buff....so i knew, in order to not loose XP (my team), i only needed me the JUNG, TOP and MID....but pyke camed there, he also got out of bush and also flash at lvl 1....IF ENEMY WOULD HAD FLASH he would had wasted it for no reason....so when i told him dont come, he came, stay bush,he didnt, i came for red/count JUNG, he was going for kill... i have allready 5 infos that he didnt respect....and its not about his lane is about my jung path and i know whats better for me/my team.... So no one care about his worst troll beginning, but you all blame me for what i did after.....WOW just WOOWWWW. Its like i shoot someone in the chest/hand/feet with no reason, then i give him a baseball stick....normaly he would hurt me....but i will not report him for doin that due to the fact that it was me the one that started (by shooting him) so i dont know whats this idiot systhem, to calculate the rest when the beginning that i knew how to do it its trolled. The same i got banned before for 2 weeks, same account because i had 1 afk and 1 troller that said from beginning he troll..and thats what he did....so normaly i expressed my feelings....guess what...the afk/troll didnt got nothing but i did....like its my fault i had almost 2 afk...l just wasted time instead of going to work or doing something worthy and got into a game wishing its 5v5 but apparently from min 1 its 3v5....why to play this shit...why to count who was toxic on who when the game was still lost...the purpose of the matches is to win not to see who s toxic...cuz if i have 2 afk its allready lost so i dont see how saying a bad word would make a difference...i allready lost cuz of them and they should be banned for that...for INTING...which in my opinion its more 'dangerous' then being toxic....and its not my type of being toxic...i can show the report from lol from the match from before where, the team told me that they never saw such a positive atitude in their life.....so that feedback its not important but they only care of the bad feedbacks....so its only a matter of time untill accounts get banned. Im a tech support and im working on different languages and country, curreently worked for EA, UBISOFT, GAMELOFT and my last job NVIDIA and i can tell you i was TOP PERFORMER and got different diploma/rewards/medals awards for being the best but this game its really shit because its only a matter of time to have 1-2 kids in team that dont give a fk about winning and we get stress, we tell them things but after its us that gets perma ban...like it wasnt enough that we lost match/time and so on...DO YOU FOLLOW ME GUYS?....DAMN SO PISSED OFF!!!!!!!!!!
> [{quoted}](name=Lorenzo Wet Whip,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=wAgKEFeB,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-08-10T10:12:16.578+0000) >from 10 match, 6 are trolls and afk...the other 4 depends on my team...do u thiink this is called FAIR? Since you accused Pyke of trolling even though he wasn't actually trolling I don't trust your definition of a 'troll' and your ability to distinguish between a legit troll and someone who just plays bad/makes mistakes/plays differently. And that's a problem of a lot toxic players who claim their games are full of trolls when those people are actually not trolling. > NOW, as i said, you all missed the most impoprtant info: when game started, i allready told them what to do in order to win (because i am main JUNG and i almost never loose invade and FBlood, but to give kills at the beginning, that was the worst scenario)SO : what u all miss: when game started i told go invade and BOT, go to my red and ward red at 1.30. > Why the fk pyke comed?I You see, you are not a leader, shot caller or an authority in the team. No one in your team is obliged to trust you or listen to your calls. No offence, but this season you have 46 % winrate and pretty bad KDAs with a lot of deaths. Even if it weren't the case how would your team know that you're some prodigy jungler with a solidproof strategy? You had one strategy in mind. Pyke had another strategy - to invade together with you, to catch someone with that surprise flash. Who decides who's strategy is better and who is the 'troll'? Maybe in his eyes you are the troll because you still stayed in enemy jungle after knowing they've seen you. I hope you see my point.
: Riot is on crack
You yourself admit that you were toxic. The reason doesn't matter. Toxicity achieves nothing, It only ruins the experience for other players.
: RIOT WASHES OUR MONEY WITH THE BANING SISTHEM - PROOF AND ALL
Watched the whole thing. Just wow! You shouldn't be playing teamgames. Flaming whole time while playing poorly yourself - like going top for no reason when molten is up, so the enemies are getting it for free. And this game once more convinces me not to trust people who claim that there are inters and trolls every game. You accused Pyke of trolling even though he wasn't. On top of that he has the same level as you that game being a support and better KDA. Please, don't come back and don't ruin the game with your flaming for the community. But if you decide to create another account and come back, then at least take some lessons from your friend Nasus who stayed chill both over the mic and in game chat. See, it's totally possible to act like a decent human beeing even when things are not going your way. So why didn't you follow his example?
: RIOT WASHES OUR MONEY WITH THE BANING SISTHEM - PROOF AND ALL
Yeah, you totally got banned for 'no reason'. Not even for the reason that you harass your teammates from first minutes of the game.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: Couldn't acces the board..
Why should Riot support be wasting time on someone stubborn like you? You were explained why you were banned both by support and on these boards, but you refuse to accept your punishment and keep spamming both support and boards. No surprise that you got banned from support because you kept spamming them because you didn't like the answer. It's your right to disagree with Riot's rules based on your own moral code, but at the end of the day it's their game and their rules.
Xalin (EUW)
: This board is actually full of toxic people
No, just punished players trying to make up excuses for their toxicity and seeking sympathy, and then getting offended when others tell them that their ingame behavior is not OK.
Satanță (EUNE)
: 14day ban instead of mute
Is %%% KY$? There are some zero tolerance words that will give you instant 14-day ban instead of chat restrictions.
: Can I get unbanned ?
People get permabanned even for less. Sorry, but your logs are very toxic and contain lots of insults.
: ¿Is this question toxic?
I'll have to agree with Humpelstilzche despite the many downvotes. What the point of such question? To me it's passive aggressive blaming to make the person feel guilty. So, you know that someone made a mistake so why bring it up? I also sometimes get these questions: 'Why did You engage? Why did you use flash? Why did you overextended?' What answer do you expect? If I made a mistake I probably already know it and there's no need making me feel bad about it. And even it was some complex and calculated process of decision making I'm not going to waste my time explaining it, because this time can be more effectively used for playing the game and winning. However, it's unlikely that you'll get punished for such question. But you might get punished if you act passive aggresively constantly in a lot of games.
: Petition to introduce Perma Mutes
Riot already tried this and when toxic players were permamuted they started to express their toxicity by intentional feeding and trolling. And as we all know it's much harder for automated system to detect intentional feeding and trolling. That means that a person who would be easily permabanned for their toxic behavior will now freely ruin games in other ways that will be harder to detect by automated system. It's inevitable that some of the punished players will keep creating new accounts, but how long can you keep up with it? Each time you will lose all your progression, levels, champions, skins etc. At one point you'll either have to give up or start behavior. Plus, as far as I know newer players get punished even faster if toxic to eradicate toxicity in its roots.
HaGever (EUNE)
: is calling my teammates "noobs"= toxic?
Calling someone a 'noob' is toxic, but if it would be the only thing you said you wouldn't be punished. However, your log is full of blaming your team, constant arguing, creating negative/unpleasant atmosphere, surrenderism and threats to go afk. This is all considered toxic behavior and is punished if done frequently and in large quantities. Toxic behavior is not only calling someone names, wishing death and using rude language.
Etarga3ut (EUW)
: never did its a 14 days ban my first ban
> [{quoted}](name=Etarga3ut,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=aM8EWEEg,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-25T20:42:28.241+0000) > > never did its a 14 days ban my first ban That's strange. Usually you get straight 14-day ban only in extreme cases like homophobia, racism, ky$. I would contact support.
Etarga3ut (EUW)
: yeh but the question is do i deserve a ban for these things I said or just a chat restriction? I didnt feed i didnt int I didnt afk I just talked
> [{quoted}](name=Etarga3ut,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=aM8EWEEg,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-25T19:13:49.966+0000) > > yeh but the question is do i deserve a ban for these things I said or just a chat restriction? I didnt feed i didnt int I didnt afk I just talked Did you have any punishments before? Is it a 14-day ban or ar permaban? If you got punished before then it's deserved.
Aryęnzz (EUW)
: People using LoL as a chat room instead of a videogame (SUGGESTION TO RIOT)
It won't work for the same reason chatbans didn't work - because once they won't be able to flame they will start expressing their toxicity by inting and trolling games. System detects negative chat much easier than inting/trolling so just let them flame so that they can get a fast permaban because if they will resort to inting and trolling the system will have much harder time punishing them.
pikalov3r (EUW)
: can we talk about attitude towards junglers
Well, realistically jungler is the only one they can blame because he is the only one who could really impact their lanes. It's not like toplaner will start blaming botlane for not helping him out. But, yeah, the frustration is real. Whenever I played jungler it went like this: on minute 3 every lane has already died at least once without enemy jungler ganking, all three lanes are crying for ganks and then threaten to report you because you can't be at three places at once. This completely discouraged me from trying to learn this role.
Kabs (EUNE)
: PERMA BANNED
You claim that you only said 2-3 toxic words, but in reality almost every line in your chat logs are negative because you argue with your teammates and insult them. Nevertheless, here's the thing. 14-day ban which I assume you had is your final warning. After that you are on a very thin ice. That means that you will be permabanned as soon as there is the smallest sign of negativity in your chat - even if it's 2-3 toxic words. It's not really about the severity of you chat, but about the fact that you failed to change your behavior after several punishments from Riot.
: I got banned for 2 weeks after tilting one match in my entire lol history....
Can you post your chat logs? Usually you get insta two week ban only if you said some zero tolerance things like KY$, racist or homophobic slurs. If you wrote no such things and are absolutely sure that you had no prior punishments feel free to contact support.
VorenDier (EUNE)
: A direct 6 hours queue restriction for AFK seems like a better punishment then 20 minute restriction
No, because punishments aren't supposed to be pleasant or comfortable.
Synax (EUNE)
: 10 game chat restriction
Where are the first two games? If we look at this particular game then: > Synax: poppy and elise both reported Report calling is considered negative. Just report if you feel like it. Your one report is enough so there's no need to ask others to report someone. > Synax: sad toxic kids Insulting > Synax: rpeort poppy and elise Report calling again > Synax: why would i cry? you the one who is getting banned in normal game > Synax: so enjoy ur report and mute :) > Synax: flame as long as u like iron, u both banned in normal :) Again creating negative atmosphere, report calling and 'promising' them that they will get banned. Ironic considering that you are the one being punished.
VorenDier (EUNE)
: RIOT's automated system can't detect players for trolling and inting, but it can detect verbal abuse
It's not that Riot doesn't care. It's just that the system is automated and it's much easier to detect negative chat than to tell if the player is bad at the game/having a bad game or actually trolling/intentionally feeding. It would require a manual review of the games to punish trolls/inters more effectively, however, it would be unrealistic to employ that many people for this sole purpose. Some could argue that this could be done by voluntary players, but I personally don't trust the community which doesn't even know what troll/trolling is and accuses of trolling anyone who simply doesn't play the way they want.
Yuna348 (EUW)
: Why am i banned?
Did you have a 14-day ban before? After that even one small case of negativity can lead to permaban, and you were quite toxic.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: you know they started to ban people for kinda nothing ... , i am an exemple of such a case , probably they over reacting to what means to be toxic or negative , 3 lines are enought for them to submit permanent ban ,is just stupid.
> [{quoted}](name=RayleighTT,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=KRF1rY4I,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-12T21:48:24.555+0000) > > you know they started to ban people for kinda nothing ... , i am an exemple of such a case , probably they over reacting to what means to be toxic or negative , 3 lines are enought for them to submit permanent ban ,is just stupid. I have a solution for you. Don't get to a 14-day ban, because if you only say 3 negative lines with a clean record you won't get punished. But if you already had bazzilion punishments and keep typing negative stuff, well then you had it comming.
Firon 09 (EUW)
: I got a perma ban but do I deserve it ?
Did you have a 14-day ban before? After 14-day ban every small sign of negativity can lead to permaban, and you yourself admited that you flamed and were negative.
: PERMABANNED FOR PRIVATE CHAT - Update and conclusion
I think you're in the right here. While you were indeed toxic in private chat it's not the point in this case. The point is that everyone should receive equal and fair treatment. Either they punish everyone who is toxic in private chat or no one - no exceptions. But frankly it's not the first case when Riot can't give a clear position on some of the issues and when one member of the support staff will give you one answer while the other one will say something completely different. Perhaps it's just the human factor. Unfortunately, I don't think you can get any justice. Riot has protected themselves legally pretty well through terms of agreement we all agreed to. If they wanted they could close your account without any reason or explanation and still be in the right from legal point of view because it basically stated in terms of agreement that all accounts belong to them and they can do with them whatever they please. P.S. As someone said try NA boards, NA support or Reddit to get more attention. Reds are pretty inactive on EU boards. Please provide us some links if you decide to create topics on NA/Reddit so we can follow your case.
Lemexis (EUW)
: Does opening a support ticket along with a chatlog increases chances that toxic players get banned?
I doubt that reporting toxic player to support would do anything, since the automated system is pretty effective on its own, but it might be different with trolling, inting, cheating which is much harder for system to detect. If I'm not mistaken I've even seen some support replies among the lines: 'Thank you for your feedback, but next time we encourage you to use our ingame report feature.'
Arkokos (EUNE)
: Ranked rewards after 14-day suspension
What Call me Teddy said. You have to be at least Honor level 2. But I want to add one important thing. If/when you will unlock your Honor it won't mean that your punishment level got reduced. After unlocking Honor some people falsely assume that their punishment level also dropped, so they start being toxic again and instantly get permabanned. Also a friendly warning if you didn't know this: after 14-day ban you are on a very thin ice and even one small thing can cause permaban. So try to stay away from any arguing, blaming, report calling and other forms of negativity. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: Ban/perma ban system might be broken
Did you get chat logs together with your punishment? If you copy them we can explain you why you got punished. If you don't have the logs you can contact support. Also did you get a 14-day ban before your permaban or is this your first punishment?
NoFr1end (EUW)
: RIOT CANCER
You yourself have some lovely games where you went 0/13 5/11 2/12 1/10 0/11 etc. But of course only your teammates are bad and deserved to be flamed to oblivion.
Deprecious (EUNE)
: So, lets say i used to flame in chat, now i don't flame in chat anymore, but if i don't use the chat it means i'm still flaming in chat? what? What %%%%ing logic is that ? {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
> [{quoted}](name=Deprecious,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=4E0uE7bM,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-26T21:29:48.166+0000) > > So, lets say i used to flame in chat, now i don't flame in chat anymore, but if i don't use the chat it means i'm still flaming in chat? what? > > What %%%%ing logic is that ? > > {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} Since you don't use chat at all there's no telling if you have actually changed and won't flame when you are allowed to fully use the chat and not get banned on the spot.
Deprecious (EUNE)
: > a) Not typing anything for months - punishments don't get reduced I just don't get the reason behind punishing people for not using the chat at all, like i don't find the reason behind permanently banning players for being negative Forcing people to behave only in a certain way seems a little bit too much for me..
> [{quoted}](name=Deprecious,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=4E0uE7bM,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-25T21:55:22.178+0000) > > I just don't get the reason behind punishing people for not using the chat at all, like i don't find the reason behind permanently banning players for being negative > > Forcing people to behave only in a certain way seems a little bit too much for me.. Well, you have to show that you have changed. I guess simply not using chat would be to easy and it doesn't indicate if you have actualy reformed.
Deprecious (EUNE)
: So, you are telling me that i am forced to communicate only positively using the chat, and i am also forced to communicate using the chat ? wow, and i thought north korea was opressive
> [{quoted}](name=Deprecious,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=4E0uE7bM,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-25T13:08:11.896+0000) > > So, you are telling me that i am forced to communicate only positively using the chat, and i am also forced to communicate using the chat ? wow, and i thought north korea was opressive I don't get your point. You are not forced to do anything. Either don't use chat at all or use it in a positive/neutral manner like it was supposed to be used = problem solved.
Deprecious (EUNE)
: Yeah, sure riot will pay people to stay and check your chat logs to see if you got more positive, good joke
> [{quoted}](name=Deprecious,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=4E0uE7bM,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-05-24T03:30:26.473+0000) > > Yeah, sure riot will pay people to stay and check your chat logs to see if you got more positive, good joke I'm pretty sure bot can easily check that. a) Not typing anything for months - punishments don't get reduced b) Type negative - get punished c) Use chat for several months without typing anything punishable - punishment level reduced. P.S. A little clarification: the bot doesn't have to know what 'positive/neutral' chat looks like, however it already knows what 'negative' chat looks like and punishes for it. So basically the only conditions that need to be met are: a) player is actively using chat - it would surely be easy for a bot to detect. b) player doesn't type negative things - bot already knows what 'negative' behavior is so the lack of this negative behavior would mean that the player is using chat in a positive/neutral manner.
Morogoth (EUW)
: Questions about the punishment system and reform system
Yes, punishment levels drop, however, only Riot knows how long it takes - some people say 3 months. But one important thing - for punishment levels to drop it is not enough to not write anything in chat. You actually have to show positive attitude in chat.
: Banned for being trolled
You were not banned for being trolled. You were banned for being toxic.
: WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports "We don't ban people for asking for reports" Why do people like you exist huh? You come here, make some stupid lie, and think people will believe you?
> [{quoted}](name=virtualworld4,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=lZVHEhba,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-05-23T10:42:05.456+0000) > > WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports > > "We don't ban people for asking for reports" > > Why do people like you exist huh? You come here, make some stupid lie, and think people will believe you? You should read the whole discussion. Here are some things RED said in that topic: > Report calling is often a **minor negative thing**, but say there's a spectrum of chat where 1 is hyper-friendly, 5 is neutral, and 10 is literal death threats, this is like a 6. > **Report calling is bad but its not that bad** (by what the community tells us through reports). Basically, it's a negative thing, but not negative enough to deserve punishment on its own. But you know yourself that report calling is not the only negative thing you said. Especially since you are not showing us at least one more game.
Shamose (EUW)
: People that greet you in champ select and those that say "GLHF" when the game starts. 9/10 times those people wind up either feeding or toxic, so seeing it happening already puts me on tilt.
> [{quoted}](name=Shamose,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=5VlQogaj,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-23T10:19:59.742+0000) > > People that greet you in champ select and those that say "GLHF" when the game starts. > > 9/10 times those people wind up either feeding or toxic, so seeing it happening already puts me on tilt. LOL, the classic. So polite in champ select and at the start of the game. Like, 'GLHF. Let's win this guys. Let's play as a team and help each other.' And then the first ones to go apeshit if someone makes one small mistake.
CJXander (EUNE)
: What's your tilt catalyst?
No particular order: - Teammate makes an obvious misplay, but blames me. - Threats to report someone only because they are bad at a **video game**. Almost wish that 'report' would be added to zero tolerance list, but probably bad idea. - Someone acting like the center of the universe and throwing game only because something doesn't go their way. Recent example: toplaner was losing his lane and crying for ganks all game. Meanwhile jungler applied so much pressure to mid and bot that we were destroying them. Even though it was a certain victory toplaner got offended that His Highness didn't get any ganks and went afk which lost us the game. Such players should be banned from team games for life because obviously their mentality is 'Me, Myself and I'
Dr Lav (EUW)
: but is the not "punishment" over when you unlock you honor level?
> [{quoted}](name=Dr Lav,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=osHFhii0,comment-id=000100000001000000020000,timestamp=2019-05-22T10:26:17.410+0000) > > but is the not "punishment" over when you unlock you honor level? No. As far as I know it has nothing to do with honors. It would also be to easy, because a punished player would know they can go on a toxic spree again as soon as they would unlock their honors, but Riot wants you to reform completely. So you can never really be certain that you are off the hook and that your punishment level dropped.
: this crappy punishment system
> Why are people allowed to run it down in my game 3 games in a row yet theyre still playing while the second i call someone out out of frustration. Boom 14 day ban. Inting isn't banned so effectively because it's hard for an automated system to detect if the player is actually dying intentionally or playing bad. While it's not hard at all to detect toxic chat. > Say something --> chat ban > > run it down -> banned from playing. Riot tried chat bans, but they didn't work because frustrated toxic players while muted started inting to ruin games in other ways. Just think about it. You hate inters, but in this way the number of inters will only increase. A player who could be easily permabanned for toxicity now can int freely because system struggles to detect inting. Is that really what you want? > The only reason to explain your current system is the fact that riot wants people to lose their skins and other crap they wasted their money on. Yes, one of the reasons Riot bans toxic players might be money, but not the way you think. They don't ban you so that you start new account and rebuy skins/champions. They do this because toxic players scare away their other paying customers, and that way they lose profit. > do you really think banning people will make them less toxic? Permabans aren't there to reform you. They are there to show you that you aren't welcome in the game anymore because you failed to reform after your previous punishments. > And if you don't trust me on that, try making a new account and look at the players there. levels 5-20 are the most toxic place of all places. As far as I know new accounts are punished even harsher than the old ones to cut toxicity in its roots so I don't see a problem. > But just remember. It's not the people that are toxic. it's the game that makes people toxic and brings out the worst in them. Yet most of the players don't have any problems beeing positive/neutral and not getting banned. I'm playing League for 6 years and never been punished. > There are very few reasons to respect other players as human beings Very lovely attitude you have. Maybe some single-player game where you don't have to deal with other people would suit you better? I can suggest a few good ones.
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