: > [{quoted}](name=SoloVayneFTW,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7PU7xg1o,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-06T21:16:24.490+0000) > > We didnt' swap. > > Tell me another reason to prove I am / am not wrong, and I will do it. Cause enough of this shiet. *shrugs* I'm just pointing out what I see. I have no need to prove anything to you, and you have no need to prove your innocence to me.
Last time im replying to you, but I was jungle. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: > [{quoted}](name=SoloVayneFTW,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7PU7xg1o,comment-id=0005000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-06T20:20:04.943+0000) > > why you do think its correct? > what else can i do? > > - you want me to find any way possible to prove you i was jungle? Because that is the order it is always displayed on that website. No offence but I trust the website more than I trust you. The only way the order would be wrong is if you and hecarim swapped roles, and judging by the pre-game chat log this didn't happen.
We didnt' swap. Tell me another reason to prove I am / am not wrong, and I will do it. Cause enough of this shiet.
: you will not get unbanned ,if you get i ticket myself riot games and ask them then to unbann my account in my case too ,cause the low toxicity is punished , anything after 14 days ban if breaks terms of condition can raise permanent ban , according to riot ,this is extremly fairplay ,and really rise many chances since you touched 14 days ban to reform ,if you consider an option to be absolutly clean ,having problems of behaviour in past ,to stay further more 8-9 months ,so basically , yeah , i consider from my side that's not likely to encourage you to be a better person , because once you have a fresh start , you are less stressing about your behaviour ,as long as you have nothing to lose ... , until probably you touch again the 14 day ban and then you start to consider if you can change or not.. Sincerly , i think Riot likes to laught of them community ,when is quitly obvious ,that chances for someone to reform throught the punishment system are extremly low , and the chances to piss out community and make people more angry/loss them interest in playing good , or chances to make them to increase the toxicitiy of them beahaviour is even higher than what riot actually sayd they try to do , but hey ,we have this system and as long as everyone suffer ,thinghs have to stay like that . I never seen a much more lazy company than this one ,and no offence , the all 3 sides loss , the game developers lose community good players who had interest to play good and pasion , and dedication ,they also lose them players confidence about them sells and accounts content etc.. . The 2 nd part from this equation , is the players who get punished permanent and loss lot's of progress gained among time , time where they been honorable and sometimes unhonorable ,and more than this , they lose time to ,buy back what they lost , if they eventually buy thinghs or they not even bother. Th3 3 rd part and which i consider most important is the normal players , i take myself as an exemple , i played daily adc , and this game just fills your games with toxic behaviour without limits , being adc main had to experiment hundreds of toxic autofill supports from toxicit adressed into chat , to team toxicity due to lack of performance from supports without experience + the fact some of them were likely troll/grief or even did that.. , so basically , the normal players keep suffer the others toxic beahviuor , while riot actually don't seems to have tihis situation under control ,or to get it into normal parametres ,which in fact provs the actually huge problem riot don't want to rise ,and to admit that the toxicity exceded the parameters bans barrier , and people become much more cleaver and finded new ways of being toxic without getting punished once they get angry or feels like the game ain't worth attention. As long as this game keeps evolvee in that direction , and they ignore this , is more than clearly just a matter of time since people will actually bring this in powerful revolution , and they will make riot to make steps into this direction in improving the gameplay among changing and improving system of punishments. Until then , i still no care about this game ,because last time when i care , and i meet a troller/griefer autofill support , still i had to pay with my progress and account , on the fact i tryed to convience someone to don't troll/grief as there are pretty strong punishments for that , but the problem is riot considered that as threat and form of neagativity , i am the negative player , because i haven't leaved riot community players to ruin games and to be toxic , i must let them to be toxic/grief/troll so they can be banned by riot , if they ever get detected for them toxicity , cause that's and nowadays is questionable , if a guy who grief hard as support player no get banned after 8-9 months since i got permanent ban that's likely riot likes to ignore people who grief/troll and make you loss games.. .
I empathize with you. I believe that riot really emphasizes on banning people due to toxicity instead of focusing in the real negative people, that really destroy the game, that they also dont get banned, the trollers, the griefers, the inters, that are 100 times more toxic than any other dude insulting others by destroying a game, and losing 30 minutes of your life. Cause in the following toxic guy, you could've just muted him. I've played several other games, and only riot does that in such a level.
: I had a similar situation some weeks ago. I got banned for simply speaking in all chat too much. The only offensive I said that game was "Please go kill youself" directly after I said that I said "to the next turret, if you so badly want to lose". Everyone on the forum and the support said I ain't allowed to lifethreat, yet I never did lifethreat. They all completely misunderstood. I still got chat restricted for 10 games. And I feel it was 100% unfair. But I guess that's life, even if you are about 100% honorable and tilt proof, simply talking in chat and say a thing that could easily be misunderstood, you can be banned for 2 weeks. I just accepted it and went on with my life. All I did was losing my honor 5 after all, I can get back that easily since people often give me 3 honors for shoutcalling and tilt proof when I play ranked. This happened 3 weeks ago, and I'm already back to honor 2.
Oh, I see. In case you missed my update: I was updated from the riot support team, that I was banned due to bad behavior in recent teams, just logs weren't updated or something like that. Fine by me, getting banned for a reason > writing nothing toxic and getting banned.
: > [{quoted}](name=SoloVayneFTW,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7PU7xg1o,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-06T19:10:04.915+0000) > > Dude, I was jungle. > > End of the converastion. > Dunno how i can prove it, but I was jungle. Ask rito. > Don't answer me like this, " I was assigned a particular role when I wasn't. It happens. " I ain't tripping. Then why does your OP.gg page say you were in the support role?
why you do think its correct? what else can i do? - you want me to find any way possible to prove you i was jungle?
: > [{quoted}](name=SoloVayneFTW,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7PU7xg1o,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-09-06T18:19:47.488+0000) > > I have no reason to lie anyway, I wasn't banned for trolling but for negativity. > > PS: Hecarim was support, but went jungle after me banning his support "Yasuo". Although he did not tell me not to, or picked it in the start. > After seein I banned his yasuo, he saw what i was going for, and banned my twitch. Then he instalocked Hecarim jungle. > > Idk how i can prove it. > I usually record games, cause its easy with nvidia. > But, it crashed in that game. And i have only a short video of 3 minutes. > Syndra was keep spammin that she was recording xD, and both us will get perma banned. > > Idk. I'm just going by what the op.gg page says, plus there have been times when I have thought I was assigned a particular role when I wasn't. It happens.
Dude, I was jungle. End of the converastion. Dunno how i can prove it, but I was jungle. Ask rito. Don't answer me like this, " I was assigned a particular role when I wasn't. It happens. " I ain't tripping.
: pictures of logs
I will just screenshot some of them, Im bored to do all of them, since riot now answered ( see my update in the edited post ). http://prntscr.com/p2t2qc http://prntscr.com/p2t2tz
: Don't lie please. You got 14 days ban 2 years ago and during 2 years you should've hit honor 5 like couple of times. Logs or didnt happen
Wait, logs or didnt happen? How can i prove that? Explain more, im new to this lol.
: I do not lie man. I made this account like 3 years ago. And ever since my 14d ban i stopped playing for a while, logged for some games after months or so. I came back about 2 - 3 weeks ago, and now 5-6 days ago, this happened.
I had also some rare icons, from a project event that happened really long ago. But ye, w/e. That's not the point.
: Don't lie please. You got 14 days ban 2 years ago and during 2 years you should've hit honor 5 like couple of times. Logs or didnt happen
I do not lie man. I made this account like 3 years ago. And ever since my 14d ban i stopped playing for a while, logged for some games after months or so. I came back about 2 - 3 weeks ago, and now 5-6 days ago, this happened.
: I was jungle, no offence, but idc what that op.gg says. I was jungle, idk how i can prove it.
I have no reason to lie anyway, I wasn't banned for trolling but for negativity. PS: Hecarim was support, but went jungle after me banning his support "Yasuo". Although he did not tell me not to, or picked it in the start. After seein I banned his yasuo, he saw what i was going for, and banned my twitch. Then he instalocked Hecarim jungle. Idk how i can prove it. I usually record games, cause its easy with nvidia. But, it crashed in that game. And i have only a short video of 3 minutes. Syndra was keep spammin that she was recording xD, and both us will get perma banned. Idk.
: Are you sure you were assigned to jungle that game? The reason I ask is because on your op.gg page: https://eune.op.gg/summoner/userName=SoloVayneFTW For that game (the most recent, featuring a hecarim and a syndra) your name is in the support role. In the overview tab for each match the players are always sorted from top to bottom in the following order: Top, Jungle, Mid, ADC, Support. If you were assigned to support then it's no wonder you got reported and banned.
I was jungle, no offence, but idc what that op.gg says. I was jungle, idk how i can prove it.
Vertinhol (EUW)
: RIOT is like a dictator, instead of fixing the causes of the problems she directly cut off the head of the consequences, it's very normal for being toxic because there is some dude messing with your patience, will make you lose time and LP and he will make you feel angry, this dude is completely protected by RIOT, his account will remain active, he will continue to ruin the game and he won't feel a thing about it. Trust me on this, I tried so many times in this forum to contribute against this kind of behavior, and nether the community (almost everyone 96%) or the moderators will try to think or discuss properly about what you're saying, I really hope someday to cook an egg on a melting RIOT server to enjoy the beauty of the world.
I actually agree so freakin much on this. Although before getting banned due to bad behavior they may also take into account why you were flaming for. I mean, inting hard in a match or griefing or trolling in any way possible is actually a billion times more negative in my opinion. Instead of trying to talk to the team. Especcially, if you used in a polite way like I did. Anyway gonna open a new account, 0 faith in gettin me unbanned. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: > [{quoted}](name=SoloVayneFTW,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7PU7xg1o,comment-id=0001000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-06T17:01:11.572+0000) > > As I said, I dont wanna use that as an excuse for me getting unbanned. > > I just believe i was not by any means toxic. > > I was not flaming on my own, I was literally replying to what the said, this is not a spam, everyone was included. > > ~ The game was lost, since both of us lost xp, and we had 2 junglers, with the troller saying that he wanna ff 15 ~ > > Whatever tho, If you believe that I was fairly banned, cant argue with that. This is what im actually seeking here, your opinions and points of view. > > ~ But, look, I was trying to win too, and it was not a fun experience dealing with all of that troll, but still i remained extremelgy cringely positive in my opinion ~ > > Already contacted support, I dont have a chance. > > But, I still believe i was so god damn positive in stead of toxic. It was not a spam. I don't think you have been so positive. However, the only "positive" thing to do when someone try to lure you into a flame war (whetever you actually intend to flame or not) is to mute them. They won't change their attitude. They won't learn the game just because they are talking with you. At best, you lose time and achieve nothing (and you lose your focus on the game), at worst...well, you know. Mind this, next time. Apart from that, some days ago a poor sod was banned for int feeding because he had a bad game. When he talked to the support, they told him that he was reported 17 TIMES for int feeding even tho he was definetely not feeding in those previous games. His ban was lifted because, simply put, he had only ONE bad game to uphold that. All the rest was the work of flamers reporting him out of rage. So, who know? Maybe something similar happened to you and the support will judge your ban exaggerated and lift it, if you REALLY didn't do anything wrong in any other game. It's worth a try.
Ye, already contacted em, they did nothing. Maybe imma open a new account. Btw, I muted em all after a while. But, ye, ok. My intention was not to flame or to be toxic by any means, the least thing that passed through my mind was me getting banned in such a game. But whatever, i guess :D. PS: The thing is, that is my second perma ban. And ever since then I tried to write possitively, even if im burning of tilt cause of my team. Seems that not the way to get away from getting banned. Next time not using chat, they won't listen to a god damn call out anyway.
Flow1999 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=SoloVayneFTW,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7PU7xg1o,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-09-06T17:07:44.899+0000) > > And, one more thing, as easy you think leveling one account to level 30 is why the unban thingy isnt? its not about being easy its about whats more profitable
Not gonna try such methods. Maybe will put an xp boost. Ive heard some got banned after trying it. whatever im in a bad mood, maybe stop playing this game for a while.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fast Enough,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=x16huHsj,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-09-06T16:50:53.603+0000) > > Riot said I will get banned if I kept flaming. I stopped and got from honorary lvl 0 to 4 in like 6 or 7 months. People change Well, tell that to the guy who just opened a thread to complain about his ban. Apparently he was banned for a single game that happened 2 YEARS after being suspended for 14days. If i were in that situation, i would NEVER feel safe to write even "gg" in the chat. Never. However i too once had the "warning" about being flamey, and i immediatly changed my ways as a result. Nothing ever happened to me after that. So yes, people can live without flaming, and if you ask me is not that difficult. But it would be better NOT walk all the way toward the last straw, rather than having to live with that sword hanging above you forever.
Haha, now its a lesson! Once 14d suspended, never ever using chat again to communicate with the team :D for whatever they are saying, since they make feel like im negative for whatever reason they have. PS: As the guy said, I would never consider about getting honored level 2 :D, but not getting perma banned my guy. Haha, be carefull.
Flow1999 (EUNE)
: you wont get unbanned dude thats it, you cant defent yourself and boards its the last place you can find justice, 90% of the ppl here think licking riots ass will do anything to them. Hopefully this teaches you how unfair life can be. Also if you banned for toxicity you should've been chat restricted before. Trust me I know it from 1st hand, IT IS EXTREMELY hard to get your 1st chat restriction, you really have to flame a lot and consistently but when you do the system just targets you and you can get consecutive punishements extremely easy, almost from nothing. I srsly dont believe you deserve a ban but in the end of the day you are more likely to just make another account and eventually pour money into it than just quiting the game right here and now, riot does not have any reason to unban you and they will get backed up by the (this comment will be deleted if i say what I think they are) in boards.
And, one more thing, as easy you think leveling one account to level 30 is why the unban thingy isnt?
Kurotsu (EUW)
: Since you're looking for a distinctive answer and you're first time on the boards, I'm on the boards for years and people have been banned with chat-logs similar to yours And the only thing you have in common with the other bans is this: spam. Permanent because of the 2 weeks ban, but I would have thought they would lift it after 2 years.
It's so sad man. I wouldn't say it was a spam, as I said in another guy, it was done in a lengthy game and I was not talking on my own, others were talking too. Like, wth, why people dont have a chance getting unbanned after getting permamently banned, maybe the system was incorrect? No? K, whatever.
Flow1999 (EUNE)
: you wont get unbanned dude thats it, you cant defent yourself and boards its the last place you can find justice, 90% of the ppl here think licking riots ass will do anything to them. Hopefully this teaches you how unfair life can be. Also if you banned for toxicity you should've been chat restricted before. Trust me I know it from 1st hand, IT IS EXTREMELY hard to get your 1st chat restriction, you really have to flame a lot and consistently but when you do the system just targets you and you can get consecutive punishements extremely easy, almost from nothing. I srsly dont believe you deserve a ban but in the end of the day you are more likely to just make another account and eventually pour money into it than just quiting the game right here and now, riot does not have any reason to unban you and they will get backed up by the (this comment will be deleted if i say what I think they are) in boards.
The thing is i really invested time in this account and it is such a pain having it lost in such a way. If a flamed the %%%% out of em, I would enjoy the justice system. But, I dont know I feel like the logs dont support my ban. Im just posting here, last chance of me getting unbanned, that's what I thought at least. But, the irony is real, trolled and inter didnt get banned, the real flamer that called me kid and gave up didnt get banned, me ( the guy that jungle was taken, and my champ was banned right of the bat from champ select was banned) got banned.
: > [{quoted}](name=SoloVayneFTW,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7PU7xg1o,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-06T16:43:00.171+0000) > > No seriously, please expand, not only an emoji. > > The I was only defending my self thingy was only my excuse lets say. > > But still, can you find something toxic? > > Im not toxic anywhere dude. > > Dont think, i say that like an excuse to get "unbanned", because Im not toxic anywhere, that's my point. Sorry for bad english, but I think i shew you the wrong image, cant explain some things correctly. > > Dont facepalm is something I said, focus in the topic :D, where's the toxicity? Man, have you the slightest idea of how many players came here telling the same thing in 6 or so years that i'm here? "I was only defending myself"? No, you are new. Well, now you know. Here's the next lesson: don't ever argue with flamers. What happened to you is literaly the worse thing that can happen. In a sense, you nailed it. That being said...yes, i would have reported you, because i may not even see that someone called me a nood, or trash, or whatever else, during a game...if that happens, say, ONCE, or not so much more. What i can definetely see, however, is half of my team arguing about useless rants by spamming the chat while, obviously, being completely disconnected by the game. I don't like having to read that, i don't like being disturbed continously by an endless stream of trashy test WHILE, you know, i MAY be trying to focus on the game to win it. So yes, i would have muted and reported ALL of you. Definetely. What happenend next, i don't know. My idea is that you were still not "free" from the curse of your 14days suspension. So you were still on the brink of the abyss even after two years, and that report triggered the final fall. Try to appeal to the support. However i would not expect much if i were you.
As I said, I dont wanna use that as an excuse for me getting unbanned. I just believe i was not by any means toxic. I was not flaming on my own, I was literally replying to what the said, this is not a spam, everyone was included. ~ The game was lost, since both of us lost xp, and we had 2 junglers, with the troller saying that he wanna ff 15 ~ Whatever tho, If you believe that I was fairly banned, cant argue with that. This is what im actually seeking here, your opinions and points of view. ~ But, look, I was trying to win too, and it was not a fun experience dealing with all of that troll, but still i remained extremelgy cringely positive in my opinion ~ Already contacted support, I dont have a chance. But, I still believe i was so god damn positive in stead of toxic. It was not a spam.
: Alright, so far spamming? Well, ok, I have nothing to say about that. Even thoough, I feel like replying in my teammate's messages. When someone is telling me something, I usually reply. In my point of view, it was not much of a spam, since more than 1 person talked at the same time. And in advance, if im not mistake, I was not banned for spamming just for negativity and toxicity. So.... *thinking*
And if i was still banned for spamming it was not done in a minute or two, it happened in a length of about 30 minutes or so. So, i think thats irrelevant. (And, as I said, I was not talking alone)
: > [{quoted}](name=Cypherous,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7PU7xg1o,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-09-06T16:30:08.883+0000) > > If he was toxic enough to be reported then he was toxic enough to earn a ban, people seem to think you have to be extremely toxic to be banned when all you have to do is continually break the rules He was spamming the chat while bickering uselessly with the team. That's probably part of the metrics of the system, i would not be surprised: spamming the chat is obnoxious for those who may want to, you know, play the game, and you distract yourself and other from doing the same. Definetely i would report it way more that someone who throw some random insult and then shut the f@@k up. This, plus the fact that he has been already suspended, probably did the trick.
Alright, so far spamming? Well, ok, I have nothing to say about that. Even thoough, I feel like replying in my teammate's messages. When someone is telling me something, I usually reply. In my point of view, it was not much of a spam, since more than 1 person talked at the same time. And in advance, if im not mistake, I was not banned for spamming just for negativity and toxicity. So.... *thinking*
: No seriously, please expand, not only an emoji. The I was only defending my self thingy was only my excuse lets say. But still, can you find something toxic? Im not toxic anywhere dude. Dont think, i say that like an excuse to get "unbanned", because Im not toxic anywhere, that's my point. Sorry for bad english, but I think i shew you the wrong image, cant explain some things correctly. Dont facepalm in something I said, focus in the topic :D, where's the toxicity?
That was like a little excuse between the conversation of the two of us. I believe that someone that doesnt "defend" himself in a right way, should get banned too! Just, I think i did in a proper way, and i shew no negativity.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: I've heard of several people that got unbanned after telling Riot that there was a mistake with the ban. Although you probably need to wait until Monday to try it again, because it's weekend, and your request would be reviewed by a bot again.
Alright, w/e. I dont have much faith in the suppor team, since they told me that any more messages considering my unban will be possibly ignored.
Cypherous (EUW)
: > i guess you were a little toxic but def not toxic to be banned. If he was toxic enough to be reported then he was toxic enough to earn a ban, people seem to think you have to be extremely toxic to be banned when all you have to do is continually break the rules
Exactly, can you tell me why i was report for? Where's the negativity?
: > [{quoted}](name=SoloVayneFTW,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7PU7xg1o,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-06T16:17:12.924+0000) > > I WAS ONLY DEFENDING MY SELF. > {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
No seriously, please expand, not only an emoji. The I was only defending my self thingy was only my excuse lets say. But still, can you find something toxic? Im not toxic anywhere dude. Dont think, i say that like an excuse to get "unbanned", because Im not toxic anywhere, that's my point. Sorry for bad english, but I think i shew you the wrong image, cant explain some things correctly. Dont facepalm in something I said, focus in the topic :D, where's the toxicity?
Silent Note (EUNE)
: I'm not saying it's toxic. But the banning system is learning from previous reports. It's an automated system, so maybe it started considering the phrase "I won't get banned" as something negative. Again, it's just a guess, I can't say that for certain. When did you send them the ticket? If you sent it during weekend, then it was a bot reviewing your request, because Riot support is only working on weekdays.
So, Isn't it really %%%%ed up me getting auto-perma-banned? I mean, shouldn't they re-think about that ban? Maybe chat restricted as I mentioned before? (Although i was not toxic, but w/e, I want my account back) I firstly send them a ticket and a literal robot answered but then I requested a human. But still, the way the answer things is too hypocritical, and like they've had them ready from before. They don't take anything into account. Just saying phrases. And then sorry you can't get unbanned. ( Idk if im allowed to post what they've said ). They did nothing pretty much.
: Dude, no offence, but idc in which game i was banned for. The logs say that game, so I was banned for that, I won't look up riot's games mistakes too! It says I was banned in this game, so that's it.
And wdym little toxic, LIKE COME ON. I didnt harash anyone, I WAS ONLY DEFENDING MY SELF. They were calling me kid, troller etc. ( You must see the logs) AND I STILL REMAINED POSSITIVE, and played this game.
Zineus (EUNE)
: i guess you were a little toxic but def not toxic to be banned. Usually you get banned after being toxic in more games than one. so either you didnt post the second game or you just got banned for no reason
Dude, no offence, but idc in which game i was banned for. The logs say that game, so I was banned for that, I won't look up riot's games mistakes too! It says I was banned in this game, so that's it.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: That's weird. Like 95% of people asking why they got banned, they had a good reason to get banned, but I don't really see anything that I would consider toxic in your chat log. I would recommend sending a ticket to Riot support. My guess is that ": I wont get banned" triggered the punishment, because a lot of the times toxic people or trolls say that right before they get banned, so the system may have registered it as a 0 tolerance expression, although I'm really not sure, it's just a guess.
Dude, first thing first, I've already sent a message in support. And they just reply like they are robots. They say sorry summoner etc. you can't get unbanned for whatever reason you got banned. I wrote "I won't get banned", cause in my mindset right there. Like look. I had a griefing hecarim in my team. And some teammates that were telling me that I was the troll, whereas I did nothing wrong, and were calling me a kid. And I was like (look at this troller) for sure I wont get banned, but he will. Such an irony tho. But look, that "I won't get banned" is not toxic, LIKE COME ON, is it. >.<
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