: > BTW: Swain's ultimate has got WINGS so bonus movement speed at his R will be realistic at all. Being 'realistic' should take a backseat to balance. As it stands, Swain is really strong, so buffing him is pretty counterproductive.
i am not talking about buffing but balancing , that means one part is buffed and other nerfed, maybe his basic ult dmg should be
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: You say that he's OP, but that he has massive counterplay... It's one of the other, it can't be both.
That's right, i said he is op but he has counterplay.. almost every champion has counterplay no matter how op that champ is, not even yasuo, even yasuo can do nothing againist jax or darius, and still one of most broken champs in this game. But this counterplay on swain is just too much, its enough to stand in front of a minion and his e is useless because it will trigger on minions, but its enoug to let him ult and run away, that must be changed
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