M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: To be honest, gankplank has a starting item: thats a sheen, or phage, or nashor, or even gunblade component, depending on build path. Critplank is a bit more difficult to pull off, but still has plenty of starting items, most of them use shyv or tiamat for more indirect poking, or again sheen for direct poking. Graves...is difficult. He is pretty darn strong and borderline broken in right hands. But she has some serious drawbacks, which are needed, considering he can burst you down, take some damage and KITE the shit out of you.
Im saying he is not playable I don't see him in pro play and playing him seems like 4 item first then fight
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Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=VorenDier,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=RKQEdoIH,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-07-16T09:35:21.870+0000) > > Don't wanna be rudde dude but jsut fix the game That moment when you don't even know what is his position at Riot, but you still assume he can "fix" anything.
are u guys delusional or what xD every single streamer is complaining about the game .... u dont see that every single day there is client crash and a bug report u guys jsut wanna ignore the fact that the game is not fun to play and toxic garbage and when people complain u somehow u come up and defend them for what ?
: Well, no one else is going to pick my nose for me. (No, that's not my job. :P)
It's actually amusing that you think I'm making a sarcasm. Well if not casual gamers like me maybe you should just look at IWD stream maybe that will tell you that you suck at your job :) Don't wanna be rudde dude but jsut fix the game
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Cypherous (EUW)
: > NA i don't mean it like that just one AFK you do and you 6 hours ban like a vacation in Nightblue terms XD A 6 hour ban is pointless and doesn't punish you, the LPQ punishment on the other hand does, which is why it exists over a ban :P > I've said it multiple times I don't want the punishment to be removed but you give punishment so players don't repeat their mistakes and mis-behaviour. Sure, and the 20 minute LPQ is the punishment that does that, i mean it made you come on the forums to post about it so it must be annoying you, as punishments should > It's isn't meant to take away a players interest trust me I have a 2 year old account and I'm already on 20 minutes ban It's frustrating You realise this is the point of a punishment right? > Just make it a 6 hour ban isn't that cruel too but like at our age when we don't get to play our game continously it makes me wanna quit I just want it changed a little so I don't loose all my love for the game. I mean, if it makes leavers quit the game i'm not seeing this as a negative, you seem to think punishments should be meaningless
Give me one reason why do u think the current system is good like one ....... I don't like I've gotten 14 days bans couple of times and I came back to the game and played with a little more respect ofor the game and other players.... 20 minutes queue restriction has literally kept me from playing on my main account for weeks now I want this system to change.... Look the punishment isn't getting any worse It's just being changed in such a way so that the players don't feel bad about playing the game after getting that punishment..... Understood I literally cannot play on my main account coz I have this stupid 20 minutes bans that I have to get rid of and I don't have any reason to do so. ...... What problem does a 6 hours queue restriction for 1 game has ... why is it not better then 20 minutes queue restriction at least after a ban I will change ... and I will at least come back to the game again ........... Well it's pointless not like any rioters are reading boards or anything... so why am I wasting my energy people are literally %%%%% cats on this game now xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
: Contact Riot and log a connection problem with them, they can investigate your connection problems with you. Screaming about it like an infant will get you nowhere fast.
What makes u think Im crying Im telling them the problem and giving them the solution maybe riot cared about the player they would have asked me and join the discussion
: Then don't leave games.
I didn't leave the game I got power cut Unlike u i live in rural area .... I haven't played on my main account for a whole month just because I don't wanna play 20 minutes queue ..... I've quit on the account just because the punishment is so frustrating.
: The system want you to be punished, not to make you take a break.
look dude the punishment isn't meant to make player wanna quit I haven't played on my main account for a whole month just because I don't wanna play 20 minutes queue ..... I've quit on the account just because the punishment is so frustrating.... what's wrong with 6 hour or a day ban oly for 1 game ... It's a punishment that that is completely logical .... How is it not a punishment you AFK coz u got tilted u got 6 hours ban and now u play again and fine with a good mental state ......... It's a video game dude how can I even play the game if it's not fun to play.....................
Plus0NE (EUW)
: In that way you could easly dodge those 6h, just by going to sleep and cya no more 6h, the 20min restriction is most acceptable comparing to your idea
look I'm gonna tell you why I hate it 20 minutes restriction break momentum and it's straight up frustrating when you to wait 20 minutes for 1 game look I don't get 20 minutes ban all the time but I have a main account 2 years old on which I have this ban and I haven' t played oin that for a whole month.... This ban is literally making me wanna quit ... I'm loosing interest I don't wanna go to my main ... I don't even wanna open the client I'm literally on a verge of quitting it and I don't want to do it... I wanna play on my main account again please understand I don't want the punishment removed just make it so it doesn't make people's interest in the game decrease ... Please understand this. It's a problem ... It seriously is.
Cypherous (EUW)
: I mean, if you want to sit in a 6 hour queue instead of a 20 minute one sure, but they have to add a check to make sure you're actually at the computer for those 6 hours :P
NA i don't mean it like that just one AFK you do and you 6 hours ban like a vacation in Nightblue terms XD you understood XD look ... I've said it multiple times I don't want the punishment to be removed but you give punishment so players don't repeat their mistakes and mis-behaviour . It's isn't meant to take away a players interest trust me I have a 2 year old account and I'm already on 20 minutes ban It's frustrating absolutely so much that I haven't played on my main account for months(1 month xD ) I hate it man why can't they just change it a little ... Just make it a 6 hour ban isn't that cruel too but like at our age when we don't get to play our game continously it makes me wanna quit I just want it changed a little so I don't loose all my love for the game.
: A punishment HAS to feel unpleasant. If it would feel fair or "oh just 2 hours imma fo something else in that time" Afk's heavily hurt games for sother players. Quit complaining, swallow, playthe restriction out and quit going afk
That is the whole point at least I will get to play the game consistently .... look I'm not always AFK its true that I have 20 minutes ban but that's on my main account... and that account is 2 years old so I have been AFK a lot of time on that account in 2 years certainly more than 3 times which is al you need to get 20 minutes queue restriction ......... It's a video game if I have to care about 20 minutes bans every time what fun am I gonna have .... if you don't think 2 hours are enough make it one day max just make it or one game please every single game watching 20 minutes queue restriction just makes me wanna quit and that's what I don't want punishment is fine but it isn't meant kill you ... and that is what this punishment does 14 days ban perfectly fine understandable wait 14 days play ....... 20 minutes every game it's cancer dude
: Can we buff jax for a bit or maybe rework jax ?
Dude trust me jax is the only champ that is not overpowered and hated by all like AAtrox, Irelia and Akali don't tell them to reword they will ruin it.
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Hananim (EUW)
: Nope. Low priority queue starts at 5 minutes, then 10, then 15, then 20 and lastly 25 minutes. This means you are a chronic afker. And if you afk in base for 3 minutes you deserve to get punished, you want your teammates to play when you are 3 lvls behind because you had to sit in base?
Dude if u just cannot read or understand English I suggest you don't comment :).
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: Well, considering you got the 20 minute one, it means you are leaving/afking games a lot and this isn't certainly the first time. There comes a point after which you are not really welcome anymore.
Come on man how many times do i have to write this......... u get top 20 minutes queue bans if you AFK three game the ban stays like that forever it will stay 20 minute regardless of how many times u have been AFK... i've been playing this game for over 1 year I already have 20 minutes and I get it more often like 2 to 3 times in a month...... Even when I AFK on a game that result in a remake.... coz of my bad internet I live in a small town I play on 200 ping bro its the only video game I like surely something can be done about this ...... again i don't want the ba nremoved just change it instead of 20 minutes over 5 games make 2 hours on one game ... that my suggestion
: After the first time of 5 min your accound is flagged. You can play for a while without afking but as soon as you do you'll get punished again. It takes a hella long time until you can "safely" afk again. Ofcourse Ranked games are punished way mire harsh. Riots system is designed to force a change. If you were punished for afking, just playing those games out won't allow you to go afk again afterwards. The system wants you to continuesly keep playing without afking, if you don't, the stystem sees you asan accound with no improving behaviour and will continue to restrict you. Once punished the tolerance point for your actions is shortend quite a bit
I don't know what are you saying this discussion is not about if AFKs should get punished or how the system decide to punish them...... It's more about what kinda punishment a player should get for AFK......... My suggestion to AFK is a queue restriction on the first game after the game the player goes AFK. But the time should be more like in normal u get 20 min queue restriction that means 100 minutes right. how about they just give a queue restriction only on the first game after the AFK game for 2 hours (120 minutes) that will keep players interest in the game and players can play the game with more consistency after the 2 hour or whatever time you think is good enough. Just playing a game after 20 minutes queue restriction for 5 games seems like really demotivating and non fun .....
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: Because the punishment is not necessarily meant to be strict equivalent of the harm done? I mean if I brutally murder a 100 years old grandpa I'm getting 25 to live sentence, despite the fact that he probably didn't have more than two or three years left. And yes, that example is obviously overblown and in no way near close the AFK situation in League. It is onlymeant to ilustrate that punishment is not just the mirror of whatever was done to the victim.
I don't really understand if you want me to explain everything to you from the start I will but I'm not saying remove the AFK punishments, I'm not saying you to change punishment for people who AFK in middle of the game I'm saying people who AFK at the start of the game that resulted in a remake should not get this punishment maybe they just change the punishment to a one time queue restriction of significantly higher time like 120 minutes ban if you AFK instead of 20 min queue restriction every time u try to queue because honestly I don't mind if I get banned for 1 whole day for an AFK but 20 minute queue restriction seriously takes my desire to play the game ever again. I hope you understand what I'm saying.
: It's not an entire day you loose, whether you have time and patience for the queue restrictuon us up to you. Earlier you said 5 games and not forever. I just straight up din't believe it's only 3 times. You go from 5 to 10 to 15 to 20 min fir afking. I've had bad days/weeks where I quit up to 3 games per day and went afk and I got no punishment
I got the punishments when I AFKed and I know first time I got 5 minutes second time 10 third 20minutes........ There has been times when in time of powercuts sometimes it doesn't register as an AFK.... but it's obvious that 3 AFK games where you get reported is pretty easy specially in ranked AFKs it register coz of reports too..... You got no punishment maybe you are lucky ..... but after 3 times you get 20 minutes that what happened to me
: Because afk is still afk. You wasted everyone's time and that is not ok.
That doesn't mean the punishment should make me wanna quit the game.
signedL (EUW)
: ***
What are you saying I don't understand ......... Remake doesn't make you wanna quit the game or stop playing it. 20 minutes queue restriction when I AFK unintentionally at the start of the game that resulted in a remake is the worst feeling out there. At least for me.
Tarolock (EUNE)
: >At least it doesn't makes player interest drop down to zero right. but thats the whole point of it, to discourage you from going afk in the middle of the games
I've said it countless times in the discussion that I don't mean it for people who AFK in the middle of the game ... just change it for people who AFK at the start of the game ...... I know it is meant to discourage people to AFK but nobody AFKs at the start of the game "INTENTIONALLY".
: Again you waste around the same time on average for 9 other players. You do NOT get a 20 min restriction from having connections issues or going afk once in a while. **IT TAKES MANY AFK'S IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME TO TRIGGER 20 MIN LOWER PRIORITY QUEUE**
Dude once you get 20 minute queue restriction that is when you AFK "3 times" from from 3 different games....... It sticks forever it doesnt't go and for someone who has been playing for 1 and a half year 3 AFKs is not a big thing.... Special when you consider the person might be living in a rural area........... I'm not saying stop the punishment please .... just understand I want it to be changed ......... One AFK at the start of the game of your first game of the day (REMAKE) ruins the entire day of a player.... 10 minutes of 9 players does not equals an entire day of 1 player .......... If you think otherwise...... Explain.
: Seems like the system works as intended! Nice
I don't mean to say that the system don't work as intended AFK's should get punishment it is true .... But it is obvious that not all players AFK just to make people gameplay experience bad ... It does makes people experience bad for sure .............. But imagine a situation ... when you queue up for the first game of the day and u got into the game and you have 5-14 fps..... and you have 400 ping you exit the game and you have to restart your router or maybe your graphic driver crashed so have to restart your PC not everyone is playing this game with a gaming PC this might be the only multiplayer game that can run superbly on a average PC and average PC specially old one like mine have issue and I cannot fix them for personal issues ....... and because of my AFK it was a remake 10 minutes wasted of 9 players for that you got 20 minutes queue restriction for 5 games worst outcome right....... How is that fair for the guy who has to play 5 games with 20 minutes queue that take a whole day ..... How does 10 minutes of nice players equal to a whole day of a player who AFKed a game ...... with no intentions at all ......... How is that fair Tell me and I delete this.
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: Then don't play an online game.
: You complained about a waste of time if you get the 20 min queue restriction. 2 - 8 min queue time, 5 min pick and ban phase, 2 min loading screen, 3 minutes into the game for a remake. 9 other players waste 10 - 20 minutes of time just because of YOU, not to mention to play one game they have a way longer time until they actually get to play, ontop of all dodges in the select lobby. So you really want to argue about it not being fair? A 20 min restriction comes up after many afks/dc's in a short amount of time/games. If you want to talk about fairness, please consider ALL perspectives and not only yours alone as if you deserve special treatment Punishments are for breaking rules. You either improve your behaviour or whatever is the case or you don't play. Riot clearly stated that they want punished players either to react and fix their issue or to quit the game.
I mention that above mate I know how much time an average person will lose if it results in a remake....... but that won't make anyone wanna quit the game or just no one is gonna be like ahhh this is a bad day.. I got 5 remake(Impossible btw) ... It does waste time but remake just gets u into a different game and it happens 1-2 times in a day that doesn't mean someone who got into an internet problem in the first game of the day should play the rest of the day waiting 20 minutes for a single game for 5games .... it's 100 minutes wasted ... And you have to just sit in front of the computer think once this ban ends i will start ranked games and then u realize it's already 10 pm or if u play at night that queue restriction take the whole night ... and i'm not even having fun just because I wasted 10 minutes of 9 players... a whole of mine where I wanna play my fav just gets taken away from me just because 10 minutes of 9 players.......... I'm not saying remove the AFK system for people who leave in middle of the game but come u and i both know that an AFK that results in a remake should not have that cruel of a punishment where the whole day of a player is ruined just because of an internet problem that happened at the first game of the day ........... Like if u still think that the 20 minute queue are ok for remakes........... just explain to me how is it justice.........
: > [{quoted}](name=VorenDier,realm=EUNE,application-id=ETj6EdvQ,discussion-id=NcJy7mp2,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-03T05:16:47.861+0000) > > I don't even understand if u can understand what I'm saying do u kid? u are kinda delusional boi . Dont go Afk u aint get a punishment Just because u cry here wont change a thing. Dont try 2 change the System just because you dont like it. Since u cant live with ur punishment u earned by urself and just have 2 make a new Acc cuz u fked up so it is. Keep making new acc´s Unlucky they removed the old punishment ... up to a 14 Days ban Edit just noticed this is posted in the Bug Board ... proves something else i expected
: Its meant 2 be annyoing af. When u change this punishment it aint annyoing anymore. For myself i wish we had the old punishedment ... which went up to a 14days ban i think :)
I don't even understand if u can understand what I'm saying do u kid?
: First of all, just missing for 20 - 30 seconds early on can result in already huge losses for your team. Ontop of that you are playing jungle, not only does it throw your clearpath havily back in time, it gives a huge opportunity to abuse your little dc and snowball heavy of it, especially with jungle splitting in north and south happening quite often nowadays, not only do you give the enemy jungler free controll about the map in the first 10 - 15 minutes, but you also risk that he gets much more EXP and gold on the first clear. Ontop of that, just saying "Wäääääääähhh LoL is the only game I have a bad ping on, so it must be on their side" is absolutely false to say. Check your own location and where the location for the EUNE servers are and compare them to other games. Maybe check your connection pathing, there are legitimate adds Riot allows for a more stable connection since it doesn't affect the game at all, it only affects the path your connection takes to the server and back to you. The fact you got a 20 Minute Lower Priority Queue automaticly states this isn't a one time thing for you, it happens a lot in short periods of time. The reason this restriction is a thing is because Riot can't forbidd you to play, but they also can't bare that by not doing anything your connection issues ruin other people's games. Either live with it, since they want to reduce the number of games per day where people with horrible connections play, or quit. One of the reasons this Restriction also exists is intended to ANNOY the players so they stop playing with their bad connection until they fixed their issue.
Guys please understand I'm not saying just remove the punishment or what are the affects of AFKs are on the team............ I'm saying when you AFK at the start of the game probably the best time to AFK coz of the improved REMAKE system ... Players who AFK at the start of the game should not get a punishment like 20 min queue restriction for every game for 5 games......... It literally wanna make me start a new account or not play at all ... I've still not touched my main accounts which have 20 min bans for a month now........... It's a waste of time honestly ........... Btw the fact that I got 20 minutes ..... 1 thing that u don't realize buddy is once u reach to 20 minutes queue you cannot drop down ..... So every time I AFK even for valid reasons (I know I deserve punishment even for valid reasons)... But punishments are not supposed to make people quit right? That's what happening with me I dobn't wanna play on my main account coz the 20 minutes seems way too much almost a waste of time......... If u wanna make it cruel 1 AFK can mean 1 day ban and I'm ok with that 1 day is not so hard .... At least its not a waste of time....... right?
Tarolock (EUNE)
: >And now that queue restriction is so long (20 minutes) that I just don't even wanna play the game. the first time you get nothing, to get a 20 min leaverbuster you have to leave a lot of games and you have to leave them constantly, and at that point i would just remove your ability to queue at all... riot is too lenient with leavers with that 20 min, 20 min should be the first punishment for afk, that would make ppl think about dodging/leaving games
I've been playing this game for 2 years bro ... If you AFK three times in the middle of the game .. you get a queue restriction it increases from 5 10 to 20 max............ I know what it is........ I got to 20 by AFKing in 3 games .. dude.. 3 ......... Now I'm not saying stop the punishment........... I'm saying change it to a punishment that doesn't waste player's time............ 2 hours ban from queuing .... instead of 20 minutes queue restriction every time .. is far much more better ......... At least it doesn't makes player interest drop down to zero right.
Cypherous (EUW)
: > dude doesn't matter isnt a part of an argument......... if it doesnt matter to me why would i even care.... don't use doesn't in a discussion ........ I'm not saying just remove the punishment I'm saying change it ..... understand? Why exactly? All leavers should be punished because there is no way for riot to tell who did it on purpose and who did it by accident, as a result riot has to punish everyone as if they were intentionally leaving The important part you're missing is that the system already accounts for occasional leaves by players and you're only punished if you have a history of leaving, and if you're not connecting to games on multiple occasions then why haven't you looked in to fixing that? If i were to go and join a match and then leave i wouldn't get a punishment because i don't have a history of leaving matches, as such the system works fine
Not all leavers are leaving the game for toxicity and making ht game worse for other some jsut have to leave and the best time to leave is at the start of the game coz that results in a remake I'm Saying just change the punishment for leavers who leave at the start of the game not for people who leave in mid game that results in a bad experience for other players remake isn't a bad experience...... and if gonna throw an argument about even remake result in 10 minutes of time wastage for 9 other that still doesnt't explains why a player who left the game at the start and ended up helping his teammate in not having to waste time in a lost game ......... should not get a 100 minutes queue restriction -.-
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: You Know what? Riot should bring old and good system were you got banned by dodge and afk i still remenber that :P was first ban i got 1 day ban for disconect or crash i still have email somewere @Edit i found it http://prntscr.com/o5idww
seriously ... they jsut banned people who dodge xD its over xD
: yea but not how its supposed to work. had a game yestraday. adc went afk 3 sec after start of the game and we couldn't remake. he came back after 20 min+ but that didn't change much though. and since he came back i doupt the system whould really punish him for it.
If u cant remake it's a bug ...... i'm not talking about what will happen if the game continues ... I'm jsut just becoz 4 people wasted 5 minutes and were able to remake ... why should be punished with 5 20 min bans? like that 100 minutes... that considerably big is it like a punishment or what....... that is so cruel ...
Cypherous (EUW)
: > I specifically said change the punishment for players who afk at the start f the game .... Coz no one afks at the start of the game willingly...... Doesn't matter "why" they AFK'd though, they still wasted 3 minutes of game time, the time it took to load and the time it took to queue and complete champ select And the system already accounts for "occasional" leaves, you have to reach a threshold before you get punished so you need to have left multiple games and at that point you really need to fix whatever is causing you to leave that often
dude doesn't matter isnt a part of an argument......... if it doesnt matter to me why would i even care.... don't use doesn't in a discussion ........ I'm not saying just remove the punishment I'm saying change it ..... understand?
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: an automated system can't detect if u got a power down at your location. its hard but i don't think theres much u can do about it. had my fair share with those issues to already.
It can detect when the player was afk whether it was at the start of the game that resulted in a remake or in middle of the game ...... I jsut want them to change the ban system for player who afk at the start of the game coz no one afks tat the start willingly.....
Cypherous (EUW)
: > It's really cruel Its meant to be, it reflects the time wasted by the other people in the match as the average match is about 20 minutes long, you're basically forced to waste that same amount of time
I specifically said change the punishment for players who afk at the start f the game .... Coz no one afks at the start of the game willingly......
Scoliidae (EUW)
: Exactly. You don't get 20 minutes from two games. :) The first one doesn't give you any low priority queue at All, I think. And then it starts at 5 minutes.
No I didn't get 20 minutes for afking 10 games obviously I've afked multiple times coz of busy life style but like u can get 20 minutes queue restriction for AFKING 5 games its true .... I had 10 minutes ban and i AFKED twice after that coz of power cut and graphic card failure.... But i AFKed at the start of the game ...... Like instant as soon as i got into the game...... they were starting games of the day so I wasnt aware.......... My point is not that I got the punishment it's about the affect of this kinda punishment ....... It's important to punish obviously but like a punishment ... like this just makes me not wanna play the game.... so they should change the punishment at least for the people who afk at the start ........ Right... no one wants to afk willingly at the start ...... So why punish people the same way others are punished
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Cypherous (EUW)
: Remakes will stay at 3 minutes because thats the limit of what i would consider as being short enough of a time that if you make it back you're not too far behind, at 5 minutes you're basically cannon fodder in the lane so that isn't likely to change And you won't get that penalty for a single match, you have to have a record of leaving in the past or have left a certain percentage of recent games to be considered for a penalty, so it owuld seem this isn't the first time you've encountered this issue Now, you say your graphics drivers "crashed" are you by any chance using an Intel CPU that has onboard graphics? because it would sound more like a scenario where the IGP is being used instead of the discreet GPU, and this can be prevented by disabling the IGP in your BIOS
IDK .............. feels like i shouldn't have gotten that on my first game when it was a successfull remake like my teammates wasted 10 minutes in one day and i have to wait 20 minutes for it every time i was play a game ........... maybe there was jsut a game restrction like u get when u dodge when u ant play for 20 minutes straight ........... maybe after an afk game i get 60 or 120 minutes restriction once and then i can play coz 20 minutes break before every game is so cancer to begin with .... IDK maybe they do something
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