: look, i didn't take part in clash. i have NO interest in clash, i just want to queue up with my brother and have a fun game, yet, i can't do it because of a couple of babies who NEED to feel like LCS. nobody wants clash, they should just stop forcing it onto us.
"Nobody wants clash" i wouldn't say that tho, since most of the player base was really excited for it. And it does bring variation that this game needs, cause even tho those games we played was bugged, we still had a great time and was probably playing the most coordinated match we have ever played.
: But even Riot's own design interview on Zoe told us that her big ability is supposed to be her Q not her E
That's kinda stupid. Her E is her most unique ability and fit's her the most. It should be her Big ability.
: > [{quoted}](name=XBionicX,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=bIrv6Ixo,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2017-12-08T18:26:40.681+0000) > > i do see that, but it's like complaining about Viktor and Twisted fate. They both build lich bane and use it on a low cooldown. they have to go into AA range in order to activate it tho, Zoe ults in, has her aa range and teleports back out even if she gets stunned
The enemie's still got time to react. And since she is so squisy, they can do a lot of damage.
Smerk (EUW)
: It was easy to land, it is fast and hitbox is quite big. Also you clearly don't understand what that nerf for W was, you will still hold your spell for whole minute, but they won't lay on the ground for that long anymore, so either pick up fast or lose it
Ah, my bad then. I thought it was the other way around. Sorry for that. Also, if you actually look at the E's Direct Hitbox. It's smaller than Zed's Q.
Maluber (EUW)
: Your match history shows you've played zoe 5 times since she came out. You said it yourself, she has a high skill ceiling. Meaning that her winrate is expected to be low until people master her. Watch this and listen to what he is saying, it will prove you wrong. https://youtu.be/0XFLYjnVINo?t=48m8s > [{quoted}](name=XBionicX,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=bIrv6Ixo,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-12-06T14:12:23.820+0000) > but if you gonna listen to low-elo player's who cries about a champion without even knowing what they do or how to counter them. Then it's a problem. Are you not a low elo player crying about nerfs to zoe in the hope riot will listen to you? Did you just describe yourself in your post?
Well, i did go from Silver 4 to Diamond 4 in 2 month's ish (i got silver 4 in placement's and quit ranked until July). So i would consider myself a DECENT player
: > [{quoted}](name=XBionicX,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=bIrv6Ixo,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2017-12-06T16:22:43.567+0000) > > Her passive at lv 18 Deals 135 damage with a 25% ap scaling. Which is honestly not that good comparing with other mid laner's. (i know with lich bane it can deal a really good amount of damage) The combined damage of lich bane and her passive is quite a lot for an ability with no real cooldown
i do see that, but it's like complaining about Viktor and Twisted fate. They both build lich bane and use it on a low cooldown.
: > [{quoted}](name=Dividedby0error,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=bIrv6Ixo,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-12-06T14:46:38.340+0000) > > If she uses her R to poke with an empowered AA she is often dead, as she will be hit by basically any skill shot CC aimed at her starting point. > Not really talking about poke here, talking about using it as a free damage source in teamfights. Yes, poking will get you killed, but in the fight the whole enemy team can't just hold onto their skillshots until you ult, especially since you can just position yourself behind minions/tanks and your ult has like 3 seconds cooldown. If you use R for the autoattack and a short range Q, that's easily 1000+ damage with little to no risk (depends on the teamcomps aswell, of course)
well, to be fair. it probally woulnd't do that much damage. her Q as a short range deal's 120 (66% AP) at lv 18 and her passive is 135 (25% AP) at lv 18. Obviously this can be changed with lich bane and such, but that's just the effect of the item.
: Problem with champs that got particularly powerful skillshots combos, is that a good deal of players will be completely unable to dodge them, and maybe they won't even try to do it in the first place. Player who farm while getting freely harassed, that charge in a straight like without trying to anticipate anything that the opponents may shoot at them, players who will ALWAYS chase for kills, no matter what. So RioT got no choice but to step in and help these players. Imagine it like setting a certain level of difficult for a champ, and then having to lower it over and over because most of the playerbase won't reach it. Same thing.
Not to be rude, but you can't step in and help player's who don't even TRY to do anything and just cry all the time. Riot can't keep helping lazy player's who has no idea how to play the game. They can't make every champion for newbeginner's, because then it's nothing left for the people who have spent a lot of time in the game and actually don't cry over thing's being too hard.
: If she uses her R to poke with an empowered AA she is often dead, as she will be hit by basically any skill shot CC aimed at her starting point. I played her a bit and played against her a bit and her 2 main problems are her overloaded E and her complete lack of defense. If you are behind against Zoe, her E is obnoxious with the extra range through walls and trap on miss. Especially the trapping mechanism is annoying as every missed E still zones hard. On the other hand being behind as Zoe is also terrible with her E not doing that much on defense. Her R is close to useless defensive, so her only defensive tool is getting a defensive summoner from W. Overall it ends in a champion that's almost always in an extrem, either you are ahead and nuke everything or you are behind and die a lot. Ends in a pretty ok (even slighly bad) winrate but it's offen frustrating. Basically the Yasuo problem, where being balanced means destroying half of the games for the enemy and leaving your team in a 4v6 in the other half.
A lot of champion's got one overloaded ability. It makes them feel more fun and unique and powerful, while not making them too strong since their kit is balanced around it.
: I stand with my opinion that her passive is the OP thing, not her E+Q combo. Tons of free point click damage in combination with R. Her E could have become a bit too strong, so they adjustet it. They can always buff her again if the nerfs hit too hard. Didn't get to test Zoe yet, today, I'll see if I change my mind.
Her passive at lv 18 Deals 135 damage with a 25% ap scaling. Which is honestly not that good comparing with other mid laner's. (i know with lich bane it can deal a really good amount of damage)
Smerk (EUW)
: That nerf isn't even big. And it was needed nerf, her E was way too easy to land. Also 20 seconds for W is not enough? lol, are you kidding me? Most of the time you take it right away, so even 10 would be good, plus it adds some nice counterplay for opponents, which is also good. Keep in mind that I'm telling this as Zoe player, not someone who hates playing against her
"way too easy to land" yeah say that when you actually look at it's hitbox, considering how hard it is to land in the laning phase and 20 seconds for W is not enough. What if you get teleport or cleanse or anything that you can't use right away? not having an W for a fight is devestating.
: Imho the main Zoe problem is how overloaded her E is, which makes it really hard to play against post-laning. On the other hand, she basically has no defensive utility and is super squishy. So shutting her down is easy which is the main reason for her bad winrate. I don't know if that is a good game play pattern, easy to destroy but super hard to avoid if you are the team on the back foot. But she is not and has not been OP, I'd still call her unbalanced though and those changes didn't help with that imho (E is still overloaded and she is even easier to shut down now)
Thing is, a lot of champion's has that 1 ability that is overloaded. But they are still considered balanced. It's there to balance out their kit and make them unique and powerful.
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: [Unpopular Opinion] Shaclone doesn't deserve permaban
well tbh shaclone deserves the ban, toxic and int is more than enough and if you honestly int after a champion that you really like got banned ( out of 138 champs) and you gonna int you got a problem
: mastery returned to 0 after the patch 7.16 update !
same happend to me xD lost 6-7 lv7 champs ;_;
: Oh, simple. "FLUTCH: from a gay guy" Instaban. I mean, everyone knows. Can't you just keep your pants on, it's freaking 2017.
Taric is considered a gay champion
: Yeah, no. They were not. The system replaces insults with a number of '%' that is equal to the number of letters in the word replaced. "shit" is a 4 letter word. So that leaves 2 possibilities: A well known 3 letter homophobic slur on the english language, or an acronym that tells people to kill themselves. Both are reason for an immediate ban.
no it doesnt... i had sometimes written something in my language over 6 letters and gotten 4 "%"
: "Gay" is not replaced by the system. "f a g" and "k y s" on the other hand are. And both are reason for a permaban.
: Let me guess whats behind this: >FLUTCH: %%% 3 letters, repeated multiple times...hmmm, what could it be...oh wait maybe the rest of your chat could tell us: >FLUTCH: from a gay guy Here is the deal, sunshine: Homophobic slurs instantly elevate your punishment level to 14day ban, or, if you were toxic before, and judging by your log that is quite likely, a permaban.
well tbh taric is considered a gay champion which is what he meant "from a gay guy"= taric
LA Losty (EUW)
: Its the Q and E nerfs that made Rengar a pretty bad pick, not the item nerfs. The Q and E nerfs were quite harsh and it happened quite a while ago.
Thats the nerf? it worst than i thoght. how much did it actually nerf?
: His W at 5 stacks heals for a crap ton and you armor and mr get buffed to jax ult standards alos really funny to 1 shot carrys from ult with it
is he ult the only thing that use ap? i have played him alot before but i dident play for a year and my acc got deleted.
: Watch Nightblue3's streams playing AP Rengar , and then come back and tell me he needs buffs lol
He is probally a good player tho. im talking like the average player base. And Rengar AP??? what attack does he has that use ap?
Kjelldor (EUW)
: Yeah Rengar is good enough. The -5- AD on Youmu's really isn't going the make the difference wether he can one-shot squishies or not and that is kinda his job.
yeah ik the Youmu thing i dident think matter i just wrote it there.
: Tbh renger is still a good pick and can still do well if you main him and play a lot of matches with him then no matter how much riot "nerf" him you will still be able to play him. The problem is people play champs that are freelo purely for the fact they are over buffed and the second riot touches them they move on to the next "op" champ as the last one is now useless in there eyes. as an example Ahri yes she might be nurfed by riot but i have seen ahri mains still carry a game purely for the fact they are good with her. TL:DR If you main a champ then you will always do well. ^_^
Okey i just thoght about it because people means that he is not that good anymore because he get outclasses by champs like zed,talon etc. and i just think that he doesnt does that much damage anymore.
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