Yup . the common skins but as u said , legendary and epic are so unfair but after patch 8.5 im so cool with ultimate skins but before patch 8.4 i was pissed off , it gives you 650 OE only , and u need to upgrade it for 2950 OE , thats the pretty unfair one but thank god they changed it , but still , you need a huge luck for that XD

im sitting on 1k :)

:( gimme :( , i want to get project ashe , gimme some XD , anyway , gj for saving them :) thats great , have fun of gettin some skins :)

oh i understand but i never met this meta before tbh even in ranked

ali compared to other supports , he is not that good

Udyr is early , he is like pantheon , they do good in early , start to be weakk in med and weak in late

remeber that yi is med and late game jungler , which he will make it hard for early game junglers , but still this 4 seconds u are talkin about is so great , with his max attack speed + lethal tempo , thats great against tank , and the hard cc skillshots can be missed by his Q , also if they know when to use their CC then they can counter him too , also yi dont have just slow immune he have escape , and if he is in bad situation he can escape using his R movement speed and if they try to slow him ( like nasus ) they wont and he will just keep his way + if you have blade of ruined king that will make your escape better + everyone can be countered even the best champs in the game ( irelia , zed , graves , xin ) they can be countered and the only counter for yi is the CC and i agree but that completly useless if u use it early against him

yup , but still , she is the best at top , do u know that she handled the S tier for all the lanes since her rework

tbh i never met a irelia or vlad in botlane

yasuo is bad at patch 8.12 , he got hotfix , i think draven deserves his position

yea :D

ezreal is good for S + , S for miss fortune maybe but lucian maybe he deserves A- to A + , jhin is great adc and he deserves the S , draven is great but varus isnt , jinx and twitch and xayah are great af , you cant say that they are b :D , cait is great damage and she can escape if u are good with her , kalista is the worst adc i guess but that doesnt mean she is bad .

i dont know what champion u are talkin about thats why , but i agree brand have winrate , but he isnt better support :D , winrate means that the champion have specific winrate but not role called . he counters morgana , but morgana is better as supp , ( 3 sec root , stun , shield ) thats enough for one of the best supps , this tier is about stats and kit and how the champion can do in his lane

camille maybe :D , shen is better as supp cuz his ulti is like useless if he went top , singed can be countered easily if u just dont follow him or u have nice mobile , many people say that taliyah is great jungler , but i dont think she is good in mid cuz she can be countered easily , but she isnt the best jungler , xin is one of the best champions in jungle and i agree :D

nice one , they are good champions tho :D

yup ( if you want ) , but i prefer the ones in your opinion are the best

i agree with your list that kennen needs to be in adc and tahm at top , but u know what tier they will get low tier , but iwill edit it for ya :D this is patch notes 8.12 , ornn will be bad at this patch :D i forgot about morde , i will put him now :D ty :D

bro , irelia isnt S????? Camille isnt S ?????? , do u know she handled the S tier since her rework released , and actually this is patch notes 8.12 tier list , also this is ur personal not anyone , your put the S most of the top champions bro , i put this as a stats and kit not anymore , like nasus im too good with him but i didnt put him in high tier , there's difference between ur own tier list and the tier list itself also vlad is like swain , he works mid and top :D about yasuo , he become average champion in 8.12 , either if u do good or bad :D

nah, graves and xin and yi have the best winrate :D check rankedboost :D

i mean you can escape from taliyah easily everyone has counter '' picks '' , even irelia sol deals damage bro , but in clearing and roaming he is good , but can be countered easily just by standing inside his balls :D , zed have good mobility and insane amount of damage , he can escape from yi easily , and you cant say that most of people like to play taric tho :D so .... and again everyone have counter picks , this tier list is just about stats and kit :D

elise is bad af , trust me , also taliyah can be jungle but she isnt the best , yi attacks speed + true damage + slow immune + ms with his ulti , he is great , but people need to learn how to gank with him and when , he can get adcs with nearly 3 hits

taliyah can be countered easily :D , aurelion deals damage but he can be countered easily , tf is good if u play him so great , vlad too , but u need some tactics to counte rblad , le blanc and zed are gods if u know how to play them , irelia is goddess of league she even deserves S+++++++++++++ and the recent changes of yasuo made him weak , in patch 8.12

:D she is fun to play tho , like how her kit works :D

yea im so excited for aatrox rework , the root is ez to hit for me , im sniper , in ashe , i miss my ulti just like 2 times or 3 times maximum

and who is that champion you are talkin about ? is it brand ? , also lolalytics isnt my only references , also they are taking the 8.11 not the 8.12 , this is tier list for 8.12 patch notes :D , go to rankedboost , he is my main reference :D

shit , i forgot him , he is C tier :D , i will edit the tier list now :

i like vi too :D you are good with her maybe , but normal players do shit with her , like my 1st time with her i went 0/15 so.....

her CC is awesome + champion that you are sayin can be countered by other champion , its about stats and kit to supp :D

ty for the informations i will answer you for the questions 1) what i think + personal experience + B isnt bad champion at all , this is compared by how the champion can do on the game by normal player but if you are experienced with him , it can go for S , like diana , she is tier D , but im really good with her , and i can defeat zed easily , thats why we cant compare champions like S can defeat D , its about the player , thats why its my opinion example , if zed is S and im bad with him , what is the point of the tier list :D 2) its just about kit and stats of each champion , i cant say champion A when fully mastered is better than champion B when fully mastered , because Champion B can counter champion A , so i cant depend on this , also itsnt about pick up and be good , because 1) this game is designed for fun and entertainment 2) itsnt about the champion how powerfull he is , its how about you play him and every champion even from S if you play him 1st time , you wont do that good 3) Irelia : if you can do her combo 100% correct , you will do alot of damage , her defense is good , she have nice mobility Darius : his defense and damage is good , even if you go tanky items , you can still manage to deal damage Graves : his damage is great , his ganking is very good at early , he can play the full game ( early , med , late ) master yi : the counter of the tanks + fighters , yi is easy to play champion , his true damage is massive , his attack speed + basic damage is great , and we cant forget about his movement speed , he is immune to slows + blade of the ruined king + R , his Q is so effective against skillshots abilities and ultimates , i advice people to gank when they get lvl 6 , but he can gank at lvl 1-5 , but it wont be effective as lvl 6 with ulti Zed : his damage is massive , his mobility is good tho , he can escape from any ability with his ulti , he is great midlaner Kai sa : escaping from kai sa is impossible if she have ulti and plasma on you + every 5 attacks she deals a massive damage with just 1 basic attack , her E is great for engaging and escaping , Q deals nice damage if you go with ad , and W deals nice damage if you go with ap even tho you can use it to put plasma then go to your enemy using R Nami : she is good for crowd controls , heals , buffs for allies , she is just the best supp in the game in my opinion but i couldnt compare her with morgana because nami is supportive support and morgana is ap support morgana : good damage , alot of crowd controls , 3s root , shield that protect you from ap + crowd controls , she is great supp 4) my main goal is to help newer players ( let them train an S champion so they can do good in games instead getting flamed by toxic players :D ) + if i was wrong , the more experienced players can give me advices :D ty for the comment and this questions :D {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}

this is her combo , tactics with her is hard still , like you need to know when to flash , where to use ur ulti , there's no reason to put her difficulty = hard if she depends on skillshots + her combo which is (E , Q , R , Q ) , she isnt ezreal that fully depends on skillshots + her mobility is weak and she can be killed easily if she missed her E

it does , as i said , zoe , zed , yasuo . they are hard but still they deal alot of damage , but first you need to do some tactics , if it comes to zoe , its optional to have tactics with her but her mobility , her defense , thats something gives her the balance tho , yasuo and zed needs tactics and without it they dont deal that much damage , thats why difficulty plays a role

I agree with you about camille , camille is unbalanced , im in wrong :D ty for the information {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} she still unbalanced in patch notes 8.12

the reason is simple , she is fighter , which means balance between health and damage , and i can see that with camille , she deals more damage but still her difficulty can make her balanced too , alot of fighters are dealing alot of damage + they are tanky like darius , volibear and nasus i want to know your opinion about nasus :D

yea , zoe is difficult , you might see her easy , but there's tactics with her :D , not everything with combos , zoe combo is easy , but her tactics is hard af , in my opinion .