: It's not bronze, it's plastic League :) Welcome welcome! Enjoy the dravens having 12 kills 11 deaths and the Master Yi's carrying your a$$. Don't forget to thank them And also: There's alot of "wannabe - act like I know all" While alot of plats do know alot about the game and will still carry your a$$, there's some that don't. /mute all is your best tool :) if you think someone has the balls to correct you Good luck and survive plastic arena! ;)
> [{quoted}](name=Talon Nadéd,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=sEVr4LGt,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2018-07-03T19:38:46.280+0000) > > It's not bronze, it's plastic League :) > Welcome welcome! > > Enjoy the dravens having 12 kills 11 deaths and the Master Yi's carrying your a$$. > Don't forget to thank them > > And also: There's alot of "wannabe - act like I know all" > While alot of plats do know alot about the game and will still carry your a$$, there's some that don't. > /mute all is your best tool :) if you think someone has the balls to correct you > > Good luck and survive plastic arena! ;) Yeah, I agree. And I dont mind them being toxic, if they flame me I mute them, if they flame eachother I dont react to it, but my problem isnt about them being toxic, its that they're not focusing on game and they are just ruining fun in this game and positive game experience which I really had in Gold elo. And toxic players are far better than trollers runing it down mid or just trolling with build (ap Jhin). If its like this in Diamond I really dont want to climb. Next season, I hope I get placed in Gold, and Ill make sure I stay there and enjoy the game at its best. Because being in game 25min when you have 1-2 teammates trolling from 3rd minute is everything but fun. Riot should really focus on this problem and give us mentally normal players, who are stuck in game with obvious troll, a way out of that game without making a penalty. LP loss is okay, but dont make me wait that long to lose LP.
fawkes (EUNE)
: Is platinum new bronze?
Saddest part is that, as I'm climbing up I have a feeling its getting even worse. Is diamond like this too? Because if it is, I'm sure I wont get there even if I get close to it. This is just disgusting and not fun at all. Game before my last, which we won in the end, mid laner ganked us at bot in 4v3 tf and they won, and we realized our midlaner is afk. Then my adc and jungler started raging in all chat FF GG REPORT MID AFK and they literally wrote that every 2 minutes in chat, and he even came back, being afk just 2-3min. And every mistake they made in lategame they wrote the same thing in all chat. Last game, minute 3rd, so understand its the beginning of the game, its third minute, and top gank goes wrong way and enemy gets double kill. And I even got 1st blood in the game, so its not really awful start.Top laner rages and decides to troll, jungler rages back but doesnt troll, and my adc joins the party with insulting and raging at 1 of them. And the party went on until they destroyed our nexus. I wrote them dont think you will surr this at 15 because you wont, and I voted no even tho those were just wasted 25minutes. Its really indescribably disgusting.
Rioter Comments
: the enchnater supports nerf
I agree, I played 5-10 games as Karma this patch and I really cant understand why they had to nerf her shield too. She really does need a huge buff because its unplayble on top and mid right now, and even "troll supports" have higher winrate than Karma support. Sad thing.
Gathar (EUNE)
: Draven is impossible to play against
op.gg --> he has 53.3% winrate. So that proves its possible to play against him. He has higher winrate this patch because riot nerfed other adc so he has even easier time in lane. You guys just give up without even trying. Couple days ago my team won vs Karthus/Nunu strat. I explained everything what midlaner and jungle need to do to beat them. And I roamed as a support, and in 4-5 min they ended up dying twice and our midlaner hit lvl6 at the same time Karthus did. From that point on it was a normal game which we even had an advantage because Nunu was useless (lower exp and gold even if they get ahead + they didnt get ahead) and we won it. I got 4 honors so I guess I coordinated my team well. But couple of teammates were spamming ''dodge someone pls'' in lobby. Luckily noone dodged. Now thats a proof that everything is winnable and you can counter everything in league if you play it right. Some champs/strats are easier to counter and some are harder. And some are completely useless when countered and some are just less op when countered. But still. Now Draven. Yeah if its Draven main, you gonna have a hard time in lane. Just keep your distance, watch out for lvl2 allin, your adc needs to farm and try to poke him as much as you can. You see where will he go so punish him with landing a skillshoot. If he doesnt take axe then he has really silly damage. And he falls out in lategame really hard, especially because in late-game teamfights its really hard not to lose an axe. And you have one ban in every ranked game. You dont know how to counter Draven? Ban him every game.
: Plat 4 player looking for some elo boosting with Taric/Yi strat, i can play both roles
Leto GT (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=TeddyFreddie,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ZfBEQr2T,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-06-06T10:10:26.388+0000) > > You can go 2 0 3 in early game with pyke, get a duskblade, hit all your spells and combos, and get outdueled by a 0 2 2 kayn or most other dueling type junglers (if they got ult, and even if they miss half their spells lol) If you play him support yes but not on other roles. Besides, If a support comes to 1vs1 a laner that have items, there's a big issue. He's banned in pretty much every game now, that's for a reason.
> [{quoted}](name=wG Got2Cool,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ZfBEQr2T,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-06-06T14:51:23.915+0000) > > If you play him support yes but not on other roles. Besides, If a support comes to 1vs1 a laner that have items, there's a big issue. He's banned in pretty much every game now, that's for a reason. Well I play mages supports really often, and if I'm 2/0/3 and enemy Kayn is 0/2/2 and we 1v1 then he's dead. With Pyke, thats not the case. I consider him to be AD version of AP carry supports but I think that mages have more carry potential than Pyke. Also, meta doesnt go to his favor, you see assassins in every game. Zed, Talon, Yasuo (he's nerfed but Yasuo mains still do their thing and feed), and other AP assassins are really frequent on mid. And you'll see your team needs AP much more than AD, if you're picking the right support for team comp.
Acheron16 (EUW)
: I just realized Pyke's problem
First of all, he's a support, like it or not. Yes, assassin support. And I think his problem his that he's an assassin who has a no way out. You go in, do your assassin things, kill a squishy enemy, and you have no escape plan because you used everything on the kill, and Pyke's cd are way too long. Kha, Talon, Zed, ect can all get out when they finish their job, but not Pyke. Once I killed enemy midlaner when he was just slightly out of position, and I instantly wanted to go away, enemy Gangplank (so low mobility champ with no dashes) went after me and I got just on the end of his 2nd barrel and died. And usually when I make a mistake I blame myself. but this time I didnt think I made a mistake, I just felt it was unfair that I couldnt run away because I did everything good, and I wasn't really that close to other enemy champions.
: First impressions of Pyke?
I main support and I played couple of games as Pyke today in ranked. I think he requires pretty unique playstyle both in lane and in mid/lategame. In lanephase you are definietly supposed to roam and watch for jungle/mid teamfighs. And in lane on bot he's pretty weak, you need to land that hook to make a play and, because of the cast time, its easier to hook someone as Thresh than as Pyke. Not to mention Leona, Alistar and Blitz engages. He gets poked down a lot and he has no poke at all, because if you use w + e combo that is going to be an all in because he is so squsihy, either they die or you. I think he should be played with adc who poke by themselves like Ez or Jhin so you can go in when they chop enemy hp a bit. Its really hard to do anything when your adc is hypercarry like Trist or Twitch. For mid and lategame, here is a quick tip - dont engage with Pyke. And he has really low damage even if you get ahead both in lane and in game. Positive things: enemies turn red when they are low enough to be deleted with your ultimate - didnt expect this one and I consider it to be really important. When you casted your ultimate and someone else kills him while you are casting - you get 300gold to activate in your inventory. If your inventory if full - you get 300gold right away. I didnt play him as jungle or mid but I highly recommend you not to play him in those lanes. It comes down that he has really unique kit and different role in game in comparison to any support, so it will take a while to get used to play him. I play Lux support alot and we could compare those 2 because both should be "carry supports". When I get ahead with Lux in lane, and my team gets ahead in game - I'll do insane amount of damage. With Pyke damage on same gold is no where close to Lux. So its weird that he is kinda assassin support but still cant solo assassinate anyone when he is ahead.
Enjutsu (EUNE)
: You could try Ashe support, that's gonna be an even bigger challenge and your team will be even more likely to flame you. LoL
> [{quoted}](name=Enjutsu,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=6GRaxfdr,comment-id=000400010000,timestamp=2018-05-25T13:14:42.304+0000) > > You could try Ashe support, that's gonna be an even bigger challenge and your team will be even more likely to flame you. LoL Its simple, she isnt a support and can't be played like one, unlike Lux. Cheers bro.
Enjutsu (EUNE)
: Last time i saw this thread i ignored it, but now i see it again and for some reason, it got downvotes so now you got my curiosity. Maybe we should call things for what they are, you want to carry and feel like carrying, Lux isn't exactly a very difficult champion. It's harder to get that feeling with enchanters. Jumping from Lux to the likes of Thresh or Bard will cost you rank, they're played completely different from Lux. It would be easier for you to stick with enchanters since they share similar playstyle.
> [{quoted}](name=Enjutsu,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=6GRaxfdr,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-05-25T04:37:56.656+0000) > > Last time i saw this thread i ignored it, but now i see it again and for some reason, it got downvotes so now you got my curiosity. > Maybe we should call things for what they are, you want to carry and feel like carrying, Lux isn't exactly a very difficult champion. It's harder to get that feeling with enchanters. > Jumping from Lux to the likes of Thresh or Bard will cost you rank, they're played completely different from Lux. It would be easier for you to stick with enchanters since they share similar playstyle. Well I'm looking for a challenge, not a way to climb. Downvotes are from enchanter players and I get it why they downvote this thread. While I understand why they downvote, I'm also stating facts here, they are easy in terms of mechanics and more dependent on game knowledge in laning phase on bot, knowing how to play mid/lategame, when and were to ward, not getting caught while warding/clearing wards ect. Those things arent easy and you can carry games with Janna and I know that. I also know that she is really easy to play in terms of champion mechanic. I also know that you can make wonders with her tornado, because you can stop leesin/kha/trist rushing in your teammate. But also, if you cant disable them while they are doing that - no problem, you have much other uses in teamfights too. I agree that Lux isn't hard, but it gets really harder to make skillshoots as you climb, thats the reason she has low playrate when you move up the ladder. She's also easier to pull off as a midlane mage rather than a support because as you climb people understand how to punish you for picking Lux support and you got to react to that. You have no utility and with at least 1 teammate flaming from the lobby pressure to play good is even higher and I really like that. Thats one of the reasons I main her.
: > Well thats an example on how to land it, but everyone who main supp or adc will know that Nami trick and if they have good reaction time they wont let themselves just to walk into a bubble. Wrong, they will react to other stuff i.e you auto attacking them then you have to guess if they'll step back or if they'll want to trade with you/ punish you and that's how you land the bubble, them moving up or down will already be a response to another action so what you said isn't necessarily true. Also pro tip: they'll chose to trade you 80% of the time, the trick is that you need be in range to actually threaten the possibility of that back step. About the ult. Just goes to show how little you actually played the champion, while your statement is true you're trying to make it sound way easier then it'd really be in a live plat game.
> [{quoted}](name=Ashe mage AD,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=6GRaxfdr,comment-id=0000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-05-25T11:56:14.621+0000) > > Wrong, they will react to other stuff i.e you auto attacking them then you have to guess if they'll step back or if they'll want to trade with you/ punish you and that's how you land the bubble, them moving up or down will already be a response to another action so what you said isn't necessarily true. Also pro tip: they'll chose to trade you 80% of the time, the trick is that you need be in range to actually threaten the possibility of that back step. > > About the ult. Just goes to show how little you actually played the champion, **while your statement is true** you're trying to make it sound way easier then it'd really be in a live plat game. Bubble is hard to land and thats a fact. With the ult its more about timing rather than hitting a skillshot and thats a fact too. Like it or not. I'm here talking about champion mechanics, not overall game knowledge.
: > [{quoted}](name=fawkes,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=6GRaxfdr,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-05-23T11:19:06.069+0000) > And how do you guys even build tank supports? I did play quite a lot of games with Alistar and Leona but I kind of want to build tank items like Sunfire cape and Omen but I see most of them building Locket, Kings vow, Zeke's ect. That makes my team better but I really dont feel like a tank with those items. Well.. supports are there to .. support. If you like to play Lux bot with deathcap and Alistar with sunfirecape.. just play top and mid dude. Also enchanters can deal alot of things like peeling and engaging. Using Nami R to just hit someone is kind of ... all im trying to say is that unlike the 4 "skill"shot Lux. Most enchanters skills have more than 1 use during LP and TF.{{sticker:sg-lulu}}
> [{quoted}](name=Taste of Purple,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=6GRaxfdr,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-05-24T17:44:24.835+0000) > > Well.. supports are there to .. support. If you like to play Lux bot with deathcap and Alistar with sunfirecape.. just play top and mid dude. Also enchanters can deal alot of things like peeling and engaging. Using Nami R to just hit someone is kind of ... all im trying to say is that unlike the 4 "skill"shot Lux. Most enchanters skills have more than 1 use during LP and TF.{{sticker:sg-lulu}} Im absolutely aware that enchanters have a huge impact in game, I didnt say they dont. I just dont find them too complicated and therefore not too interesting to play. I'm asking for tank support build because I dont have that much experience with them, and probably tank support mains could help me out. With Rabadon Lux I have experience, its fun, I'm climbing and its more challenging to play than mid Lux, and thats the type of challenge I want with other supports too like Thresh or Bard. So all good and just asking for advice in terms of mechanically most difficult supports.
: The way to hit the bubble is to throw it where they're about to walk next but that in itself is super hard cuz you need to guess where that is, and yes, you have the E to try and slow them 1st in lane for example but discarding Nami as 0 skill is just {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}} also.. you mentioned her ult being easy to land when everyone just side steps it 50% of the time lmao let alone the enemy having a Yasuo or Braum to completely fkin negate it.
> [{quoted}](name=Ashe mage AD,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=6GRaxfdr,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-24T16:22:09.519+0000) > > The way to hit the bubble is to throw it where they're about to walk next but that in itself is super hard cuz you need to guess where that is, and yes, you have the E to try and slow them 1st in lane for example but discarding Nami as 0 skill is just {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}} also.. you mentioned her ult being easy to land when everyone just side steps it 50% of the time lmao let alone the enemy having a Yasuo or Braum to completely fkin negate it. Well thats an example on how to land it, but everyone who main supp or adc will know that Nami trick and if they have good reaction time they wont let themselves just to walk into a bubble. Its hard to hit the bubble, and I didnt say it isnt. Thing is none is expecting you to hit it regularly and her kit isn't based on hitting the bubble, unlike Lux kit is based on hitting Light bind. She isn't like Garen in terms of mechanics, but even when you ''screw'' up you didnt ''screw'' up all the way, you'll still be very useful in teamfights and that is my point. You dont have to play her perfectly to climb. And her ult, thats more dependent on overall game knowledge that it is a skillshoot. You just need to ult at the perfect time and I dont consider that as mechanically a skillshoot, like bubble is.
xt002 (EUW)
: If you hit that bubble non stop then you are a god tier challenger vs lower ranked teams. Its SO EASY to dodge that it makes one of the hardest skillshots in the game to land consistently. TBH if you are a true support you should know by now that nami is way way harder to play correctly then lux, just because nami her kit is build better then lux her's to support doesn't make her an easier champ to play or master. Also, there is a huge difference between a good janna and a bad one,from how you talk I'm pretty sure you're the type that just stands in the back shielding his adc and pressing R whenever enemy engages.
> [{quoted}](name=xt002,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=6GRaxfdr,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-23T14:59:22.804+0000) > > If you hit that bubble non stop then you are a god tier challenger vs lower ranked teams. > Its SO EASY to dodge that it makes one of the hardest skillshots in the game to land consistently. > > TBH if you are a true support you should know by now that nami is way way harder to play correctly then lux, just because nami her kit is build better then lux her's to support doesn't make her an easier champ to play or master. > > Also, there is a huge difference between a good janna and a bad one,from how you talk I'm pretty sure you're the type that just stands in the back shielding his adc and pressing R whenever enemy engages. Obviously there are huge differences between Diamond and Silver Janna/Nami players, in terms of mechanics, but the thing is even when you dont play teamfight perfectly you will have a huge impact. For example, I played couple of Lulu games and I was really bad but still I managed to polymorph enemy in our frontline, shield the one who is being focused, ult the one who is gonna die, q closest enemy to me, and activate locket when tf starts. And I know I played her bad but still I had huge impact on teamfights. One time our jungler got caught when I was on my way from base, i just boosted my ms with w, flashed to him when I was in range, shielded and ulted him and slowed 2 enemy players which then backed off. Everyone was like omg wow lulu wp, but I literally just pressed buttons. 0 skill required for that particular play. With Nami, she has one of the toughest skillshoots in game, and thats a fact, I stated that you just need to know when to use it, when they are slowed or exhausted already, when another CC is applied to enemy you're focusing, or just use it as a zoning tool to make enemy dodge it so you can catch up to them while you are chasing. You need to know thats hard to nail that bubble and you should play like that. And, even if you never use your q in entire game you will still have a huge impact in teamfights with W, E and R. But this discussion wasnt really my main goal here, I was just asking for an opinion for most difficult supports to play.
: Nami 0 skill? pff, go see how consistently you can hit the bubble or get the W to bounce twice just to begin with then come back and tell me how 0 skill she is.
> [{quoted}](name=Ashe mage AD,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=6GRaxfdr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-23T12:12:58.078+0000) > > Nami 0 skill? pff, go see how consistently you can hit the bubble or get the W to bounce twice just to begin with then come back and tell me how 0 skill she is. Oh yea. The bubble. I was playing 4 skillshoots champs and really that 1 skillshoot in her kit isnt challenging to me. Dont dare to say ult is skillshoot because you just cannot miss it. She's not really as easy as Janna for example, but not really challenging and exciting to play for me.
Rioter Comments
Acaim (EUNE)
: Is Pyke an actual support?
I main Lux as a support and I climbed with her on support role from Silver3 to Plat5 this season. So you dont have to play peeling, shielding, healing support, you can play carry support and climb with it so your vision of support is totally wrong. Pyke will be great for supp role and I hope he isnt placed in jungle or mid. I cant wait to play him because I feel he will be AD version of Lux supp, high risk - high reward kind of support. He seems like you can do wonders with him, but then again 1 wrong move and you are dead before you actually did anything in teamfight. Thanks riot for this new champ.
L0onster (EUW)
: Knowing when to dodge? is it a skill to help you climb?
I recently won a game in Gold1 supporting Lulu ADcarry. He was bad, like you'd expect, but we got carried. So dodging could be good thing, but you never know how good your teammates are and how bad their team is. You might want to dodge if you see malph + yasuo in opponent team combo, but all malp+yasuo team comps I ever played with or against, lost. All of them. So its just matter of luck and I dont really think dodging should be frequent thing to do, if someone trolls then do it, if otp talon mid gets to play jungle or something you can dodge too, or if someone is just so toxic even in lobby.
Pyrosen (EUW)
: I don't see how Pyke is designed for support
Hi, I'm Lux support main (I'm not even joking) and I know I'll be playing him as a support, a lot. Where ever community puts him after he's released, Riot stated that he's a support and dont flame me in lobby.
fawkes (EUNE)
: Perma for inting?
You just dont seem to realise, which is weird for such a smart person showing it on lol boards, that I'm not crying. I'm just writing that this game has a serious issue which needs to get attention and fix. I already stated that I had numerous of trolls because people flame them but never have I had a troll who decided to do that for no reason at all.
: [Here's a game where you went 0/8/3.](https://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/1927193254/39941599?tab=overview) I'm sure this is just because shit happens and everyone gets outplayed every now and again. But an angry teammate who was looking for an excuse for the lost game could just as well convince themselves that you were inting. Now would you want to get permaban for the game I brought? Probably not. Which is why it is way more difficult for Riot to punish people who are intentionally feeding and/or trolling than people who are flaming. Flaming is easy - you either did it or not and that's done. But feeding happens and much more often than not it is a normal variety of someone having bad game and not someone trying to ruin it on purpose. Thus the bans for intentional feeding are, sadly, much less common than bans for griefing. But they do happen.
> [{quoted}](name=The Smith of Lie,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=UO74kLFH,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-03-16T07:09:14.332+0000) > > [Here's a game where you went 0/8/3.](https://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/1927193254/39941599?tab=overview) I'm sure this is just because shit happens and everyone gets outplayed every now and again. But an angry teammate who was looking for an excuse for the lost game could just as well convince themselves that you were inting. > > Now would you want to get permaban for the game I brought? Probably not. > > Which is why it is way more difficult for Riot to punish people who are intentionally feeding and/or trolling than people who are flaming. Flaming is easy - you either did it or not and that's done. But feeding happens and much more often than not it is a normal variety of someone having bad game and not someone trying to ruin it on purpose. > > Thus the bans for intentional feeding are, sadly, much less common than bans for griefing. But they do happen. Everyone has a bad game, and in thread I stated it, but there is a slight difference between having a bad game and trolling from lobby, and I repeat it again, for no reason at all. Quick look at players item build and chat could tell the difference between bad game and trolling. It can be done, everyone with an average IQ knows there are solutions for this problem but the riot just needs to WANT get rid of these kind of players, or at least, a majority of them. These 2 I played with, are mental enough to do it in ranked, and if someone happens to be in promo: If they dodge they lose If they play they lose a game and time Trollers get no punish at all Do you guys even understand that there is a problem here? But lets better fix on Ahri's snowballing when she gets ahead
fawkes (EUNE)
: Perma for inting?
The point is, this game is so full of trolls and both devs and sadly some part of community thinks that its a normal thing and nothing to work on. I've played some games similar to league for short period of time and I didn't face any troll. I've talked to people who play that games more than lol and they agreed that league has significantly more raging kids/toxic people/trolls/inting players than any other game of similar gameplay. But nothing to worry about, better nerf zoe
: I can give you the answer, but I am still wondering why do actually people still ask such ridiculous, meaningless, questions. Go and check how many people play lol world-wide. Now imagine even only around 40-50 % of them currently online. Now imagine that you get for those 10 %, only 2 % of the games a report for inting. Now that you have the number, imagine that those reports are submitted every. And now in numbers, and again, this is just best case scenario. Worst case, it will be much higher percentages. Now to put it in numbers. 27 million players per day according to wiki. Lets give you again best case scenario and say that at one time you get only 10 million. Now lets apply the percentages - 2 % out of 10 million is 200,000 reports every 40 minutes for inting. Now explain me if it is humanly possible to address in 24 hours (1440 minutes divided by 40 is 36. And if you multiple 200,000 times 36 that is 7.2 million reports per day for inting. Now tell me in what world, would any company have the human power to address only 1 kind of report by watching the entire game OF 7.2 MILLION REPORTS. I mean think about it. This is only less than half the % of the daily active players are playing, and only 2 % of those games get inting report. Now if we are realistic, those numbers will be much larger for how many int reports you get. But surely you understand that there are countries with as many people as the worst case scenario for daily inting reports would be, and that it is IMPOSSIBLE for someone to watch your game from start to finish and confirm that. Those reports will be legitimised only if it is extremely obvious based on stats. And it is not riots fault, nor anyone elses. But it is just not possible to track that. I dont even get why would you ask such a redundant questions without even giving it even a second for thought. Get your emotions on point and stop posting unnecessary topics that make 0 sense and have 0 logic in them. {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}} Again this is best and absolute best case scenario possible. if you are ready to argue on that they can, I can give you some maths for best case scenario of how much salary they would have to invest to keep that going, and you tell me if this game would even existing a day if that is done considering they will have to get sponsors and invest all earnings used for servers, developers, events, support ect. Crying about that is the same as crying about people dying when they get old. It is impossible to be immortal as it is impossible to have enough people to watch your every game from start to finish.
> [{quoted}](name=Katarization,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=UO74kLFH,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-03-15T23:58:29.720+0000) > > I can give you the answer, but I am still wondering why do actually people still ask such ridiculous, meaningless, questions. > > Go and check how many people play lol world-wide. Now imagine even only around 40-50 % of them currently online. Now imagine that you get for those 10 %, only 2 % of the games a report for inting. Now that you have the number, imagine that those reports are submitted every. > And now in numbers, and again, this is just best case scenario. Worst case, it will be much higher percentages. Now to put it in numbers. > > 27 million players per day according to wiki. Lets give you again best case scenario and say that at one time you get only 10 million. Now lets apply the percentages - 2 % out of 10 million is 200,000 reports every 40 minutes for inting. Now explain me if it is humanly possible to address in 24 hours (1440 minutes divided by 40 is 36. And if you multiple 200,000 times 36 that is 7.2 million reports per day for inting. Now tell me in what world, would any company have the human power to address only 1 kind of report by watching the entire game OF 7.2 MILLION REPORTS. I mean think about it. This is only less than half the % of the daily active players are playing, and only 2 % of those games get inting report. Now if we are realistic, those numbers will be much larger for how many int reports you get. But surely you understand that there are countries with as many people as the worst case scenario for daily inting reports would be, and that it is IMPOSSIBLE for someone to watch your game from start to finish and confirm that. Those reports will be legitimised only if it is extremely obvious based on stats. And it is not riots fault, nor anyone elses. But it is just not possible to track that. I dont even get why would you ask such a redundant questions without even giving it even a second for thought. Get your emotions on point and stop posting unnecessary topics that make 0 sense and have 0 logic in them. {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}} > > Again this is best and absolute best case scenario possible. if you are ready to argue on that they can, I can give you some maths for best case scenario of how much salary they would have to invest to keep that going, and you tell me if this game would even existing a day if that is done considering they will have to get sponsors and invest all earnings used for servers, developers, events, support ect. Crying about that is the same as crying about people dying when they get old. It is impossible to be immortal as it is impossible to have enough people to watch your every game from start to finish. Yeah, umm, I dont know where I pointed out that they should watch every game someone reports for inting, just looking at chat would be enough. I played Rengar in that game and destroyed my lane. "Look at me, Im Ussain Bolt" - runs down mid and getts killed "Rengar is from Korea but Im from Uganda" "Uganda > Korea" And this was even before I wrote anything to them. And they dont have to watch replays, they could just have a quick look at chat or on build. Inting ad carry in my gold promo had mobi boots and 5 rejevujation beads in his inventory for the last 10min of game and writing free kill while going at them. But I didnt create a topic about that situation, I faced many trolls and inting players but noone has ever inted for no reason at all, starting from banning champs in lobby. They were clearly on dicord and said "hey, lets f this game up". Being able to send riot a letter, once a month, about a troll in game, with evidence, and if its not inting and someone is just ragewriting a letter your next letters wont be taken in consideration, ever again. There are ways if you want, and I wonder how you, since you seem so smart and considering me stupid, havent realise that. Mods can delete this topic and they're the ones who deceide whether or not it should be deleted. If we have mods at all because of 20+mil daily active lol players.
: They'll ban you for being toxic to them.
> [{quoted}](name=Centur,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=UO74kLFH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-15T23:46:41.158+0000) > > They'll ban you for being toxic to them. I wasnt that toxic, I just asked them couple of times why are they doing that. Well I got inting ad carry in my gold promos while I was his support. I had a bad early game (2 deaths till 6lvl) and he decided to int saying I'll never win my promos, and he said he does that all the time when his supp is playing bad and never got banned. I lost that one but few days later I got to another promo and won. Well thats a bit softer version of inting because he had a reason, he played well and I played bad so he decided to int. Stupid reason but still better than ''you'll lose this game because of us'' mentality which started in lobby, for no reason at all. Anyway, if this isnt bannable, I dont know what is. I understand (not really, but ok) that riot doesnt ban this kind of players, but at least I hope I'm not the only one who thinks these kind of players should get perma baned.
Rioter Comments
: This is exactly what I'm talking about. I do think I'm pretty good on my mains Rakan and Leona, I stopped counting how many S+ I got on them, but if even one player is shit, then I could be plat and I still wouldn't be able to do much if an enemy is fed, they'd just melt me even if I were on full tank Leona. So, I guess I'll try focusing on mage supports a bit more. Thanks :)
> [{quoted}](name=The Sugarlicious,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=EB3NE2AR,comment-id=000e0000,timestamp=2018-01-25T00:10:18.527+0000) > > This is exactly what I'm talking about. I do think I'm pretty good on my mains Rakan and Leona, I stopped counting how many S+ I got on them, but if even one player is shit, then I could be plat and I still wouldn't be able to do much if an enemy is fed, they'd just melt me even if I were on full tank Leona. So, I guess I'll try focusing on mage supports a bit more. Thanks :) Try them out in normals, see which one fits you and learn to play them. It'll be rough time at the beginning but you'll learn to play them eventually. I was awful with lux when I started to play it, 0/7/3 score was normal to me :D Whichever you chose you'll have rough time in lanephase because they are squishy and mostly not made for botlane. But be careful even when you master them, you can win yourself lots of games if you play them right but if you fail a game (miss skills in teamfight) its probably you who will be the most responsible for lose. Because if you miss an ult with lux, or you dont have enough gold with her, you aint gonna do much. With Janna on the other hand you can't miss an ult and its guaranteed that you'll do something in teamfights no matter what your score is. Btw never ks your adc, you need gold but when you get good enough kills will come because, well, if you dont kill them noone will.
: How to climb as support?
I feel like I need to explain. I love all kinds of supports, the ''real ones'' like Soraka, Janna, tanks or AP supp mages. But in low elo you wont have a good time with regular supports because if your team is trash you cant help them and you'll be more or less worthless. I've been there and I know how does that feel. Yes you can try your best, ward, be supportive in chat, be a leader in team but isnt that the thing you can do with mage supports too? Yes it is. When its lategame and you have a bad team and you play Janna, you can ult, but enemy will come right back at your team and kill them. You will feel like you did nothing, but probably you did your part nearly perfect in that teamfight. Yet you guys were destroyed. But with mage support, Lux for example, you can try to make a game-changing play, (or at least you have some hope that you can do it) you can take someone 1v1 in lategame (I killed many ADC farming or pushing in lategame 1v1 which lead to our team victory), or you can punish someones bad positioning before teamfight, and your team takes 5v1 kill. And then Nexus is your next stop. I love Leona or Thresh too, but there were many times when I engaged and it was good timing to engage, but my team (or some of my team) just didnt follow so I mostly ended up dying. With AP mages as supports you are much more likely to carry yourself every now or then (if you master couple of AP mages). Playing AP mage DOES NOT mean that you troll supp or something like that. All tips people have given you should apply when you play AP mage as support too. Warding, pings, map awareness, team leader, supportive in chat, ect. + you are mage and you can make game-changing plays in mid or lategame.
: How to climb as support?
Play mages and carry yourself. Ward and do a support job but in lategame make your ult count. Last year I had 17 games winning streak with Lux support :)
fawkes (EUNE)
: Mage supports
{{champion:99}} can support, believe me :D I'm okay with shielders and healers but you cant do much with those in mid/lategame when players in sivler/gold elo tend to make stupid decisions. If you master mage support you can carry your team to win every now or then, and you'll sure have greater chance to carry yourself with {{champion:99}} than with {{champion:40}} if you have the team that isnt really great. {{champion:1}} is op btw thats why I put her in the list, I dont play her much because she is boring to play for me but long range (for farming), q to poke in lane, w with passive activated and ult is just too good both in lane or in lategame. {{champion:63}} , {{champion:161}} , {{champion:163}} and {{champion:101}} will be next on my list to try out in normal games and hopefully I'll be able to play them in ranked too.
: Overall I'm happy with the changes cuz now it'll be easier to one trick as supp or rather it'll be a bit more rewarding having a smaller champ pool, at the very least that's how I feel about it. I believe I can get away with spamming Karma for example after these changes go through on a more consistent scale then before since I'll have a bigger impact in carrying the game alongside the other roles compared to before.
> [{quoted}](name=Ashe mage AD,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=0QEGvMdt,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-23T23:56:22.356+0000) > > Overall I'm happy with the changes cuz now it'll be easier to one trick as supp or rather it'll be a bit more rewarding having a smaller champ pool, at the very least that's how I feel about it. I believe I can get away with spamming Karma for example after these changes go through on a more consistent scale then before since I'll have a bigger impact in carrying the game alongside the other roles compared to before. I've read the update now, its pretty nice actually. I've read about these mage champs being played for supports and from what I've found and what you wrote I guess that: Brand, Velkoz and Malza as support is a thing and is played Taliyah and Xerath could be pulled off if you play it right And a big no to Fiddle, Aurelion Sol and Cho. Correct me if I'm wrong? If anyone else has something to add correct me I be grateful.
: All of them are getting a huge buff actually with the removal of sight stone in tomorrow's patch. I think Rabadon's Deathcap on supports won't be a meme after 8.2 anymore but anyways, imo it's Brand, Vel and Zyra for dmg, Karma will be huge on 8.2 as well cuz she can build her usual support builds that give her AP out of mana regen with Athene's and now has a free slot for Rabbadon's or Void staff also and of course there's also Lux which can be played with the exact same build I just mentioned or she can be played full AP like the others. Aside from these I'd also consider Morgana (by default she's viable supp), Malzahar mostly for his ult and the silence, Xerath and Taliyah only if you're doing exceptionally good with their kits and Annie will be Annie in team fights but I find her laning to be lackluster, maybe if you get a good match up or in low elo but otherwise I wouldn't put my money on her, I know she's real good while having a good game but I think it's unlikely you'll get to have a good game too often cuz you'll get stomped in the laning often if you pick her.
> [{quoted}](name=Ashe mage AD,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=0QEGvMdt,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-23T23:07:25.737+0000) > > All of them are getting a huge buff actually with the removal of sight stone in tomorrow's patch. I think Rabadon's Deathcap on supports won't be a meme after 8.2 anymore but anyways, imo it's Brand, Vel and Zyra for dmg, Karma will be huge on 8.2 as well cuz she can build her usual support builds that give her AP out of mana regen with Athene's and now has a free slot for Rabbadon's or Void staff also and of course there's also Lux which can be played with the exact same build I just mentioned or she can be played full AP like the others. Why on earth would they remove sightstone?! I already mastered Lux and I'm pretty good with Karma/ Zyra/ Morgana/ Annie. Thanks for tip about Brand and Vel, I guess they will be my next champs to play in normal draft mode.
Rioter Comments
: Thanks for the answer! Although I'll have to disagree on the "you can climb by just playing more" thing. I'm playing quite a bit and I still felt the need to make this thread, even after being Gold and Silver. Things are not as linear. Especially in Bronze, which is bizarro world.
Why I wrote that by playing more you will get out of bronze is pure mathematics, you dont belong there so you are sure to have 1 good player in your team and that is enough to win 60% of the games which is more than enough to climb. When you start out the numbers might not be friend of statistics because you can win like 3/10 or get 8 wins out of 10 games. Its not just 10, it could be bad statistic in first 20 or even 50 games but it evens up after some time. Playing aggressive is another great advice like someone wrote before me. And I'm writing this one because its so important and never forget it, you will be playing vs autofilled or vs just so bad supports most of your games. Win your lane then! They dont know some things on bot lane like thresh all in in lvl2 or something like that. You must take advantage of it! If you feel you dont have synergy with your adc then write! Like ''ashe when we both hit lvl6 I will engage so be ready''. Again, no matter how bad they are, they will be ready for a fight when they hit 6!
: That is definitely how I feel most comfortable, and I do find out A LOT of "bronze things" in the opponent team aswell that I can capitalize on. But regardless of if I can make a correct read, or if I make a good play, in the end of the day my carries have to follow through, otherwise it just becomes redundant. I can't, as support, stop a splitpush solo, the enemy will just ignore me. I also can't solo an inhib or drake if my carries preferred to go full-thirsty for a kill they'll never have (and a kill that even if they'd manage to get, would be useless). I do hope this is just a bad streak, because I've never felt that my gameplay was so useless in all the time that I've been playing LoL. Thanks for the advice!
Well not winning hard and not losing hard your lane should make you win every 2nd game, thats my opinion. Play your best and you can get just over 50% in wins. Dont expect your team to punish every ''bronze move'' of opponent team and dont get angry because of it. When they make a mistake just explain that they did a mistake and suggest them what to do next time. Because, after all, its hard not to notice the mistake if someone is chasing enemy to their base and ends up dying. They realize its a mistake too and with your friendly suggestion they shouldnt really do in again in the same game. I often find myself in games like that in normal, like my teammate recalls every time we ace them, instead of pushing to inhib which we should. I just explained him that he shouldnt recall when we ace them next time, he said okay, and next time we got them the inhib was down. I really find most of the players willing to cooperate if you write to them in a friendly way, even if they are flamers or just so bad. Because its ranked, they just want the win same as you do.
MrKulit (EUW)
: I tired lux in ranked, followed your advice and got 26 assist and 1 death in my first match! That resulted to an S. Thank you for your tips and good luck to you!
> [{quoted}](name=MrKulit,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Pgao69eO,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-26T23:01:43.934+0000) > > I tired lux in ranked, followed your advice and got 26 assist and 1 death in my first match! That resulted to an S. > > Thank you for your tips and good luck to you! I'm glad you liked Lux. Good luck!
: Thanks for taking your time to read and answer! First of all, my problem is not with the ADCs in particular, but rather with the entire teams. I feel like I'm playing alone, I can think stuff out, but even if I execute it, noone follows up. If it was just the ADC, I'd easily just "ditch" the guy and lean towards another teammate that can follow through better. > but the chances are that enemy ad and support arent really good players too Absolutely. That's why I said that in the few wins I got, they were independant of me playing particularly well or not, just simply because the enemy team managed to do even more stupid stuff than my teammates. As luck would have it, as of right now, I feel my teams were always the worse one in macro play, always getting outrotated. Not because the enemy team has made some huge play, but because my teammates have been extremely prone to baits and to chasing kills for no reason, while there's always at least someone in the enemy team who knows enough of the basics to take advantage of that. I end up having to stretch myself to many ends as a Support, when more often than not, support champions can't cover the needs that need to be tended to by the champions that the other players are playing. I can't kill an inhibitor alone if my other four teammates chose to dive through their nexus turrets just to get kills, when we could've easily taken in and went baron, because one of the enemies was dead. I can't defend a splitpush alone from a fed toplaner, if the rest of my team is thirsty for chasing kills after min 30, being kited all around the jungle by the enemy until they die. The guy just ignores me and gets his objective with no issue. And kills me after if I'm still there. > So supports with damage, and those will mostly be mage like Lux, Zyra, Morgana. I love Morgana, I just don't build damage on her. Zyra is the kind of case I explained. Lux is something I don't even bother classifying as "Support". > But if you arent really good with mage supports which you wrote I'm as good with mage supports than with tank supports, I play Soraka, Janna, Morgana as much as I do Thresh, Alistar, Leona. I just don't like the ones that need to build damage :P > Try to act as your team capitan if you think you are making right decisions I'm not arrogant enough as to say that I always make the right decision, but comparing to the people I'm getting, at least I'm making decisions, instead of mindlessly chasing whoever appears in front of me until either that guy dies or I die, regardless of whatever else is happening on the map. The problem is, people don't care to listen. They just think they're always right in what they do and if it doesn't work, it's someone else's fault. Most of the people in bronze just tell me to "stfu" if I suggest something at all, however little it may be. People here don't want to listen. They behave like they're the gods of LoL, and if things go wrong, they just keep doing the same thing, hoping that clicking harder will make it work next time. > I wrote that we should play def until he joins us, but they didnt listen to me. Exactly.
Seems like you're just having a bad streak. Since you seem most comfortable with going on full support items and playing support I suggest you should continue to play like that. Be friendly, spam those pings, write to your team, dont make bronze moves and punish bronze moves from enemy team, and take advantage of your lane since you are an experienced support because you'll be playing mostly vs autofills. You should make your way out of bronze quickly, the more you play the chances are better. Good luck.
: Support mains - a fellow Support main needs your advice
Believe it or not I read the whole post :D You have couple of options, you're not really in Bronze V or IV and it doesnt take that much for you to get in silver and play with decent ad carrys. You can just play the support you feel like and carry yourself out of bronze. The thing is, yes you might be a support to an idiot ad carry every now and then, but the chances are that enemy ad and support arent really good players too. Or if the enemy ad carry is really better than yours, chances are that you'll have really good ad carry in your next game and the enemy ad carry wont be that good. Another thing is that in Bronze people will get autofilled as a support and they should get a tough time when they face you as an experienced support. I would recommend you to play some aggressive supports so you can win your lane as you will already have that advantage because you will mostly play versus troll support or really, really bad support because they are autofilled. Another thing I would recommend, but I dont know do you like this one, is that you should play with supports that can do well even when your ad carry is really bad. So supports with damage, and those will mostly be mage like Lux, Zyra, Morgana. I played those and carried myself from B1 to S3 in short period of time. If I see that my ad carry is good (checking his early game and checking his scores on websites while the game is loading) then I try to peel for him, and if he is bad I just try to win teamfights on my own and that is real possibility with Lux for example. Because why would I peel for him if he's going to die anyways. But if you arent really good with mage supports which you wrote and you could get some practice, you might as well practice with some meta junglers or broken champions on mid or top. You could also play ''regular'' supports like lets say Lulu and peel for the player who can carry you in game, no matter is it top, jugnler or mid, if your ad carry is bad. Because why would you want to ult your ad carry as Lulu if he is rubbish. In my opinion you should continue with supporting rather than changing your lane because it will take you more time to learn how to carry as a jungler (if you are bad jungler) and even when you learn you will face some junglers who want to do the same thing and they could be jungler main for 2-3 seasons. With support you are already good, your opponents are mostly bad so you can use it to win your lane. Bronze mentality is rough, you are playing with bronzes but you are facing them too! Use it as your advantage then. If you are playing Blitz ward their buff and pull it when they are about to get the 1st buff, most often they wont see it coming. I play as Lux and every few games I get good chance of ganking top lane. They just dont expect a support coming top, and if we get the kill we make the enemy on tilt as he ends up raging in all chat. Try to act as your team capitan if you think you are making right decisions. Spam red pings if your team wants baron and you think its bad idea. Write lets get drake when you think you should. I act as a capitan mostly and even in Bronze my teammates mostly listened to me no matter how bad they are. If you see someone farming bot for example, when you are going to have a teamfight 4v5, write that teammate to come and write to others that you should wait for him. Dont end up going in 4v5, losing the teamfight and then wondering why did your teammate farm at that stage of the game. Yeah, its stupid idea, but you can prevent it. I had this exact situation once (not with bronze, I played vs and with gold players in that game) and we lost the teamfight and after it we lost the game, others were flaming our ad carry who was farming on sidelane but I just wrote to them its our mistake and not his because I saw it coming, I wrote that we should play def until he joins us, but they didnt listen to me.
: Plat Support what now
> [{quoted}](name=IIIIIlllIllIIlll,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=4EmQ91fz,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-12-25T08:52:55.971+0000) > > Hey guys this is my first time writting here in the forum, if I make any mistakes pls dont flame me if this is the wring board for my discussion :p! > > So last season I got Platinum while playing support only. It rly is my fav position. But during my placement games i want to play something else to get back to platinum and start playing support from there on. Is there any lane u can advice me to play to carry games? I know that sounds a bit silly because u can literally carry from any lane (says the supp main), but what lane is the best to carry with the most impact on the game right now? > > Happy Christmas and Holidays! Jungle would be it I think. But you'll have to practice a lot to gain Platinum jungler skill to get yourself to Platinum. You could just play your placements as a support too, cant see the reason why wouldnt you do it.
: >Karma is nice, since you can make a warm welcome to enemy botlane with that R+Q combo on lvl1 I love doing that! It's a statement of intent. "Don't mess with me!" :)
> [{quoted}](name=Wa5abi65,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=TMriHml2,comment-id=00060001,timestamp=2016-12-24T15:53:02.707+0000) > > I love doing that! > It's a statement of intent. "Don't mess with me!" :) Dont forget to write ''welcome to my lane'' in all chat when you get both of them in combo on lvl1 :)
Sgurd1g (EUW)
: Nasus stacks
Stop these rework threads and learn how to counter champions. Its easy to win vs Nasus in lane and to take many objectives while he farms at top. Finish the game before he gets his stacks and that would be it.
: Are riot ignoring everyone even though we are asking for draft mode since its gone?
There is no guarantee you will play your role in draft pick too. Try expanding your champion pool, try out free to play champions and get better in other lanes too.
: I really like that as a support main i like playing against autofilled supports :)
> [{quoted}](name=Fasolea ta,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=vcgA9Xnt,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-12-24T13:59:07.431+0000) > > I really like that as a support main i like playing against autofilled supports :) Thats is. I like to end the game with "this is why you shouldnt play malphite as a support with ignite" in all chat.
: Can'y win games anymore
> [{quoted}](name=Nigalo,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=PmEilFeE,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-12-24T15:33:21.189+0000) > > I don't believe it's possible to win games in bronze, because even if the enemy team sucks, Your team sucks harder. I can win lane as many times as I can (atm 50% of the time), but I will be the only one. any smurf account that can get me out of this hell hole? Play meta champions that can carry hard, be sure to help other lanes when you win your lane by ganking them, do not flame as it really doesnt help and try to act as a capitan on your team, telling your team when you should get dragon/baron, when you should group, when someone could splitpush ect.
MrKulit (EUW)
: What do you suggest I build on Lux? She can do a lot of damage but i want the vision element of a support as well. And do you initiate with your q or e and when is a suitable time to w? Seeing as you have won a lot of games with her how do you play Lux so well?
> [{quoted}](name=MrKulit,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Pgao69eO,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-24T13:13:26.465+0000) > > What do you suggest I build on Lux? She can do a lot of damage but i want the vision element of a support as well. And do you initiate with your q or e and when is a suitable time to w? Seeing as you have won a lot of games with her how do you play Lux so well? Every game with her I rush sightstone, then i get upgraded boots and eye of watchers. And since I have hybrid penetration runes and not just magic penetration runes for AP support I get void stuff as my 3rd item. I consider it not too hard to buy since its 860 + 435 an then 1300g+ if I can remember for full item. With those 2 items you have nice amout of ap as well. Then I usually go for Zhonyas. Another reason buying Void Stuff is nice is because you dont want enemy team stacking MR since you can often find yourself playing with AP mid and AP top/jungle. And amost everyone has some magic resist runes, mostly scaling runes with level, so I want to get that effect as low as possible and as soon as possible. I'm pretty sure that someone in high elo reading this and getting Void Stuff as 3rd item on support Lux isnt really smart thing to do, but then again it really works well for me in this elo as you can see. Why I have good score with her is because I just play her smart, I dont get caught too often and I use my ult wisely, and not to get the kill steal like Lux midlane mains do. I noticed that in teamfights they tend to ult just 1 enemy player and securing that kill, even if they are really really good with Lux, which doesnt make much sense to me since you can easily ult more than one. Notice that players will learn to dodge your q as you climb higher, so you got to learn how to get even better and hit the q even if the enemy is good at dodging. There are few tricks I use when people are dodging my skills but I didnt really need them in bronze I because almost noone dodged my q. Few games ago the enemy Vayne was really good at dodging my q with her q and we did get ahead by 1 or 2 kills but couldnt get the turret. Then we pushed them to their turret and I tried something that worked out really well. I had her in range for q and no minions between us and we were in straight line but I q'ed on a side where there wasnt anyone. When she heard that noise Lux make while she is casting her q and the animation of q enemy Vayne used her q by reflex and that meant going straight into the q. So if Vayne just didnt do anything I would have miss that q by far and it would look really stupid. By that lucky trick we got the kill, turret and dragon. I'm glad my ad carry understood what was I doing because he was really amazed by that move. But this is some higher plays with her, so if you want to play her you got to learn the basics first. And note that in teamfights I dont engage, I just q them and if my team wants to engage its their decision and not yours. Ofc follow up if they engage. I found myself losing some teamfights because my team engaged after I hit my q, but all I wanted is some poke and not going all in into them, or in bot lane when I hit my q on adc and even when i hit double q on both of them my ad carry goes all in and we lose it. That isnt really my fault and I just write to them that they dont need to go all in when i hit the q, a nice poke is good too. Other tips on playing lane, mid and lategame I pretty much wrote in last posts. You can get {{item:3165}} as well instead or before Void Stuff because its awesome item for Lux. All in all, every AP item is okay after you get your eye and boots. Also with Void stuff and not this item you'll have to manage your mana pool pretty well. Another thing you need to know and its not really something hard is that you should try to hit q and even try to ult if its up when you see you are about to die. Some q I hit just before I died secured my team 1 or 2 kills in that teamfight. Good luck :)
MrKulit (EUW)
: Thank you for the long comment! Im going to main support this season and i am pleased you wrote so much. :) Rushing sightstone, more map awareness and the Morgana tips are really useful, so thank you! I'll try Nami later and decide whether to get her, Lux or Karma. :D
> [{quoted}](name=MrKulit,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Pgao69eO,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-24T00:30:23.914+0000) > > Thank you for the long comment! Im going to main support this season and i am pleased you wrote so much. :) > > Rushing sightstone, more map awareness and the Morgana tips are really useful, so thank you! I'll try Nami later and decide whether to get her, Lux or Karma. :D Those Morgana tips worked well for me, feel free to test your own build or see what Morgana guides recommend for her, since I dont really follow guides. But I really recommend you to test my build in your normal game and see how it works. Then again, you'll be getting more and more experienced while testing your builds since you'll be getting better with Morgana so build that doesnt work out well now could work out pretty good after 10 games with her. :) Karma is more team dependent than Lux, so be sure to know it. Lux is really OP as a support in low elo because you can win your lane by playing good, win some mid game teamfights by getting that q which triggers the teamfight to start, warding places near objectives your team is going to get in midgame, and roaming mid and top if you won your lane since if you land that q that is often a kill for your team on mid or top since you should have your ult by then. People raging when you gank and kill top after you kill enemy top laner who was winning his lane before you ganked them is priceless. Seeing that ''since when is Lux a jungler'' after you get a toplane kill for your team is sweet as 1hr game victory. But those ganks are risky because you could easily fail those ganks and you basically went mid/top for nothing, lost experience and might even got your ad carry killed because he couldnt handle 2v1 situation so I recommend you to do this when you really feel that you mastered Lux really, really well. And in lategame hitting q on at least one enemy player and ulting at least 3 of them is the play that you win games for yourself. As a support. Try to force jungle fights in lategame, since enemies in low elo dont realize that gathering all 5 players in one bush in lategame vs Lux isnt really smart thing to do. You just q 2 of them and triggered a teamfight, e all of them, ulted all of them and its 5 for nothing in your team favor if you got your items for lategame. So there you go, as a support you can win your lane by playing good which isnt the news really, you can help your allies win their lane with those risky ganks which I wouldnt recommend to you but be sure to ping them when you see that they are about to be ganked, you can win your midgame for your team as I explained and you can win your lategame teamfight by doing your combo almost perfect. And thats it my friend, you are a support which isnt a douchebag that's rushing full AP before wards and that isnt stealing kills from your teammates and you still carried early, mid and lategame for your team! I'm on 12 game win streak with Lux, and I have 30 wins out of 42 games with her this season :) She has much cons too, really squishy, all skillshoots, pretty hard to master on botlane in my opinion and it will take you some time to learn your matchups and mechanics so I'd recommend you try her in normals. Dont be like me, playing Zyra just one game in normal before playing her in ranked. Lost so much LP because of this, took me about 3-4 games before I even realized that I get different plants from my e and q :D
: Rengar Damage makes no sense [READ PLEASE AND LEAVE FEEDBACK]
His rework was supposed to give him more counterplay, yet he still one shots any squishy targets. This right here is the thing, he cant if you counterplay him which is easier now. He is still OP in killing carries but he cant do much to tanks, so if your team is able to protect you (I assume you are ad carry main since you are complaining about Rengar) then you are making him usless and easy target, then there you go, their assassin is dead and you have the advantage in teamfight. As a Rengar main in season 3 and 4 I've played tons of games with him, and its interesting how, for example, I rape Nasus before lvl6, I deny his q and his minions in general, I go like 3/0 before 6, I have much more minions than him, I buy my core items and still he manages to kill me 1v1 when we both hit lvl6 and start fighting when we're both full hp. Its not just Nasus, any tanks are going to counter him in toplane no matter how good you play in early game. That being said its again interesting while I was playing him that I just didnt care how much the enemy botlane would get fed because I know that I can oneshot their AD carry even if I'm like 3/0 and they are like 7/0. While I was playing him I've met some really smart ad carrys who I couldnt kill because they and/or their team just knew how to play against me, and I was useless even tho I'm really fed. Before his ferocity stacked up while ulting, his ferocity didnt delete when out of combat so you could make sure you enter teamfight with 4 ferocity, and now you are most likely entering a combat with 0 which is worse even tho there are 4 ferocity now and not 5. He isnt invisible anymore so he cant just walk by the frontline, if he does your frontline will smash him, if he chose some other path to get to ad carry that should take some time to your team to get a nice advantage to your team when he is not around. You can see when he ulted and be prepared to use your w if you are Tristana, e if you are Cait ect. and dont get surprised that Rengar is going for ad carry in every teamfight because that is pretty much what Rengar does. So please dont get me started on ''he is even more powerful now''. You are basically asking that he cant oneshot ad carrys and riot might as well delete this champion then since he would be useless. So please stop complaining about every single thing in this game that you cant handle and learn how to counter some champions. Now you are going to write this on Rengar, next game Riven is going to get fed and destroy your team and then you are going to open new thread with ''pls nerf Riven'' title and so on so please just stop it. Thanks.
MrKulit (EUW)
: Iv juts finished my placements and got into bronze 1 (this is my first ranked season) and finished 9 of my placements with Morgana, the last one with Ziliean. I did well in my first couple of placements with Morg but the last couple i struggled as i found i got focused when i ulted. I went on a losing spree then decided to switch to Zilean on my last match (i won that one). I like the style of ranged disables and helping the carry with buffs and shields. I want to find a champ that i can climb with, but is not mechanically too challenging. Bard seems fun but i find him somewhat inconsistent (probably because i suck with him!) I haven't tried too much Zyra or Sona. Im intrested in Nami and Karma but i want a supp that is consistently good with any adc in high bronze and low silver and any hints in warding, team fights and positioning would be nice, :D
> [{quoted}](name=MrKulit,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Pgao69eO,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-12-23T22:29:05.256+0000) > > Iv juts finished my placements and got into bronze 1 (this is my first ranked season) and finished 9 of my placements with Morgana, the last one with Ziliean. I did well in my first couple of placements with Morg but the last couple i struggled as i found i got focused when i ulted. I went on a losing spree then decided to switch to Zilean on my last match (i won that one). I like the style of ranged disables and helping the carry with buffs and shields. > > I want to find a champ that i can climb with, but is not mechanically too challenging. > Bard seems fun but i find him somewhat inconsistent (probably because i suck with him!) I haven't tried too much Zyra or Sona. > > Im intrested in Nami and Karma but i want a supp that is consistently good with any adc in high bronze and low silver and any hints in warding, team fights and positioning would be nice, :D Forget about Bard, he is really hard to play and even if you master him your allies wont follow your plays. I see you are struggling with Morgana, just like me when I was learning to play her. People just focused me before I finished my ult or before I even get a chance to activate zhonya, and even when you get that ult+zhonya combo you dont do really much damage and you will probably get killed right after zhonya expired. There we get to the point where you need some HP too, and I found rod of ages really working well, since I have no problems in lane and mid game with Morgana and I get gold for it fairly quickly so it stacks up nicely. With a few stacks of it, and hp, mana, and AP this items gives you in general, you will be able to survive longer in teamfights if you want that ult on the backline of the enemy team, and you will deal some nice damage as well. After rod, buy zhonyas. So my item list goes rushing Sightstone, getting the Eye and Boots of mobility, then rod, zhonya and then get whatever you feel like. This is build I have success with from my experience from playing as, with, or against Morgana in lower elo. To be honest I never saw Morgana doing well while rushing {{item:3165}} , zhonya, or some other ap item that doesnt give hp. Dont forget to put shield on your carry, and never shield yourself in teamfights. I made that mistake once that costed my game, I was shielding my ad carry the whole game but in last teamfight I shielded myself while ulting because I thought I would win it if I get them all in stun, but we lost it and its because of me even tho I played really well before that. You can really make some nice plays with her, like predicting when Sona or Ashe will ult your carry and shielding your carry in that milisecond so you deny their ult. Shielding them earlier gives your carry safety and it isnt a bad call too, but you probably wont get that Sona/Ashe ult out of your enemies because they probably wont ult your carry when they see the shield is on. Nami is awesome support too, but that q is really hard skillshot to land. Even if you arent really hitting most of your q's you are still useful because of your heals, your e, and your ult which is really awesome in teamfights. I find her not so hard to play if you forget about that q, she is free to play now so go and test her out if you dont have her. Karma is pretty good in early game with her R+Q harass as it deals tons of damage in early levels. In teamfights I try to position myself of getting that R+Q combo on their carrys, but that is more aggressive style. Shield your carry or someone who is trying to escape, W someone you're chasing (in this case shielding yourself is nice too so they are less likely to escape that stun) or someone who's attacking your carry. I rarely use R+E combo, but its pretty nice if someone got caught and your team is trying to escape 4v5 teamfight in lategame or your whole team is chasing someone. You can peel for your ad carry pretty well with your W and E too, + your Q is a slow that deals nice amount of damage. In high bronze and low silver any support is good if you play them right, so focus on improving your game. I would suggest you dont play Bard, Thresh or TK because they are pretty hard to play and your team must follow your plays which isnt always going to happen. Play the supports you like and try to improve them while expanding your support champion pool. While improving yourself with one support and learning others then try to to pick support that goes well with your carry or counters enemy botlane since you should have few supports that you can play by then. For example I started mastering Lux and Morgana while learning Zyra (am still learning) and now I got to the point where I actually chose which support to take depending on my and enemy team since I know to play other supports too but I dont really like to play them often. As for warding, there arent really any super pro tips, just get your Sightstone, buy control ward and rebuy it if enemy destroyed your 1st control ward. If the lane is equal try to gain control over that river bush on botlane, and if you're winning your lane you must control it. If you're losing and the enemy is pushing you, warding that bush near your turret is a smart call since you will be able to see if enemy jungler and/or midlaner are going to dive in for you. In this losing your lane scenario warding above the dragon on blue side, or in front of dragon in the river if you are on purple side is also smart because it gives you more time to react since seeing the enemy walking in that bush near your turret might be too late if they will go right in to dive you. Dont forget to get sweeping lens after you get Sightstone, and buy oracle when you hit lvl9. Warding game isnt hard to win in this elo since others dont seem to rush Sightstone, they dont buy it at all or they just buy it because they know they should buy it but they dont really use it properly. Dont forget to ward the drake too. Let your ad carry know you are going to ward by pinging them so they can play safe until you come back. And try to engage if you see enemy support went to ward drake for example. Mid and lategame warding is also very very important which players in low elo dont seem to understand. In midgame ward bushes and places near your team (for example if you gathered on mid on 3v3/4v4/5v5 in midgame ward those bushes and try to check for enemy wards if you can and if its safe). If you roam top, ward that top bush, your job isnt just to ward the botlane like in earlygame. Dont forget midgame/lategame control wards, and dont forget to ward baron and drake in mid and lategame but be sure to ping your team that you're going to do it, since you dont want to get caught and killed because you wanted to ward. I've won many games by ''lucky'' lategame wards, where someone was just waiting in bush to try and surprise us and by that ward my team is aware of it, we kill that sneaky player and we then win the game by pushing and killing others 4v5. One more thing, since you're support you dont have to focus on getting lasthits and thats more time to check the map. If you see enemy jungler ganked top, he wont be getting bot soon so you can play without pressure of gank coming soon. And check on the enemy midlaner since you dont want to rely on your midlaner pinging miss or following his lane enemy. Because you have some more time to check out the minmap ping your team if you see a mid or top gank is going to happen. They might not be aware of it and you just did an amazing job by pinging them to back and saving them from death. If you warded nicely and you backed to your turret or to safe distance, enemy jungler will probably stay there for 5 seconds or so and then go somewhere else since he will realize that he wont be getting any kills in your lane. Then he is probably going to try to gank mid so make sure you notify your midlaner that gank is about to happen. If you do this and your midlaner listens to you, then congratulation because you just might won the midlane for your ally just by those pings since one successful gank can get the advantage on the lane and put the enemy player in that lane ahead. So by doing this you can say that you helped you ally a lot to win their lane since we dont want to get cocky and say we won the mid lane for our ally, dont we. I really wrote a lot, I hope I helped you at least a little bit as I'm support main who got to Bronze I after placements too, and I've carried myself with supporting to Silver III. Its fun how I supported those ad carrys who dont even realize they get the gold only for lasthit on minion and ad carrys who were in PlatV in last season, all in one week. All in all, its just about understanding the importance of wards which low elo supports dont really understand. Just by winning that warding game over your enemy support you've done your job well if you're not making some really bad decisions and plays in teamfight, and anything more than that is just a huge bonus which you should tend to get. And the ceiling of supports having the impact on the game result is really huge so be sure to understand your bad calls and try to improve more and more.
: I usually go boots and the combined sightstone/gold item (forget its name) rather than frostqueens, as it gives pretty much the same combat stats in a single slot. For Brand I go for Rylais and Liandries, and on Xerath I get Luden's Echo and Morellonomicon.
> [{quoted}](name=midnight illusio,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=c9pLTAOf,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2016-12-23T01:41:21.613+0000) > > I usually go boots and the combined sightstone/gold item (forget its name) rather than frostqueens, as it gives pretty much the same combat stats in a single slot. For Brand I go for Rylais and Liandries, and on Xerath I get Luden's Echo and Morellonomicon. Thanks for the tips, cant wait to get IP to buy Brand and try him out. Xerath seems like rare support option and not really great on this role like Brand, but he really seems interesting and could work if you play him well. Gotta try him fast, before I reach gold :p
MrKulit (EUW)
: Who else should i play for support?
Well try them out, it depends on many things such as do you want tanks or not, do you play agressive or not, do you want to just peel for your ad carry like Janna or you want to make plays that wins your teamfights like with Lux or Morgana. And it depends on your elo. Some supports arent really great in low elo. Do you want to climb or you just want to have fun matters too. For exaple, Lulu is fun but you cant do much even when you do your best in your game (dont get me wrong, you can climb with her too), and some supports can make you win your games in lategame because of their ultimates, like Sona, Lux, Zyra, Morgana. What I mean is, if you do your job really well in lategame, and that would be ulting 4-5 players with these champions, your are more likely to win the game than to doing your best with Lulu, which is ulting your ad carry in most cases, shielding him, slowing and making the assassian who tries to kill your ad carry into a squirrel. Hafe fun, because supports are fun, and dont forget to ward :) If you have any questions feel free to ask
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