: https://media.tenor.com/images/46a47af9391baecca2de1c444e51f6dd/tenor.gif I dunno, but I think it's highly unlikely. People fought for it to come back (including Rioters), and I think they found a pretty good compromise with the limited availability. Remember: The reason Normal Draft was originally removed because a new queue was added: Ranked Flex. No such changes are being made in the upcoming pre-season though :)
Last season I didn't even thought about doing anything with Normal Draft, and see what happened. When Normal Draft was re-enabled they said that they are looking for a solution about creating a queue by merging Blind and Normal Draft and replacing both of them with it. There is a new queue type in the PBE servers and I'm afraid about that it might be that "solution".
Rioter Comments
: Viktor 47% winrate
I think Viktor is fine, he's just week in the current meta. Viktor is a disengage champion, he can't touch the back line as long is a big ass front line is up. (Yeah you can flank, but it's hard with Viktor) I'm playing with Viktor a lot in Ranked, and it's not that rewarding as before, but it's fine. Currently he's not a champ that worth to main if you want to climb. Currently the best mid lane champs are not the carry midlaners, they are just supporting the adc in some way.
: Galio = OP
I like that "Why should you play Veigar, when you have Galio?" video, where Galio oneshots Veigar with his Q and deals more damage than Veigar's ult. XD
Ìxeas (EUW)
: Same would happen with any other mage. Your only defensive item is {{item:3151}} which gives ONLY health. Next time build some MR and you'll see the difference.
Yeah, you should build full tank then you might live 0.1 sec longer. It's the build's fault dude! :D Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.
: even then, you would probably end up with 10% first pick, 90% last pick and 0% rest. So still tons of "autofilling" and players beeing pissed because they did not get their position
That's why the determination of the position in the champion select should be done after the queue has been accepted by every player. Also, we should declare that we want to pick in the First, Second or Third rotation of the Champ select to lessen the pressure.
: But everyone would choose last pick
Not everyone. Just as I said in the post, depending on the meta there are power picks, and the ones who wants to play with them probably chose first pick. For example, in the current meta the supports are power picks, and there are several games where our support asked us to pick him Janna or Lulu. In this meta the supports probably wants to pick as early as possible.
Perilum (EUW)
: Everyone want's to last pick. It's random, because it's fair to everyone.
Not everyone. Like currently the supports are the most important picks. There are several times when someone in the champ select asks that pick Janna or Lulu for him. He want's to pick as early as possible. There are players who doesn't care as well.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Maybe I was not clear, but I'm speaking about the position in the champion select, not in the game. Like you are the first pick and like that.
Rioter Comments
Ìxeas (EUW)
: Might work on higher elos when players are interested in winning more than quests. However, gold and below players will focus on these missions for rewards. Trying not to ruin their KDA, dumb dragon/baron calls, spamming wards wherever.
I see what are you saying. It's true, but I think it's still better to risk that they make bad calls, than running over the map without purpose. Also, wards everywhere would be pretty cool! :D About KDA, the early game is crucial about winning the midgame fights, so watching over the KDA is not a bad thing, if we focus on the **early** game with the missions.
Rioter Comments
: Treating Flex Queue like Normals should be a reportable offence.
Yeah, this is exaclty why the disable of Normal Draft was the biggest mistake Riot made in this season. Most of the players started to treat the Ranked Flex like Normals. I agree about treating Ranked Flex as not real ranked should be a reportable behavior. In the past, when there was no Normal Draft in EUNE I tried to play Flex as Normal Draft, but I just couldn't do it because I felt guilty if we lose because I tried a new champ and my performance was bad. I just stopped playing Lol at all, because there wasn't any platform where you could practice or improve your play without making fun of others. And no, Blind Pick is not a good platform to practice for Ranked games. Ranked Flex was ruined in EUNE in that time. I don't know how's it doing now, but my opinion is that the Ranked Flex is a fail as a Ranked Queue.
qkex (EUW)
: THIS NEEDS TO STOP (lethality is cancer, especially the duskblade)
As a mid laner I'm tired of that every single AD champion oneshots me. Even if I buy Zhonyas to avoid 1 attempt there is already someone else who's there with this fkin item. I'll definintely skip this patch and play something else.
Bluéliht (EUNE)
: wtf roit why you take the draft again where is the draft!!!!{{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}}
> [{quoted}](name=Riot Husker,realm=EUW,application-id=slFBEUB8,discussion-id=plAP1j6x,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-02-09T12:53:08.532+0000) > > Hi all, > > **TL;DR** - We are re-enabling Normal Draft on EUNE between the hours of **12 P.M. CET (Noon) and 12 A.M. CET (Midnight)** from Friday, February 10th.
: Well well well.. good news normal draft is back on eune!!
Yeah, I do a marathon today!
Husker (EUW)
: Normal Draft Returns to EUNE
It's not the best, but at least something. Thanks!
DarkG0d (EUNE)
: You do realize that you are full of excuses right now ? please rethink your argument. I am not trying to win in a conversation with you. but stating that you can still use it like that and not white about it. your last post was full of excuses. I liked the 1st the better where you actually defented an opinion pretty well. anyhow have a good day this is my last reply to you.
It's not an excuse, I'm just wanted to show you that not the wining is the only enjoyable content of the game. Also, you are right, my comment is not as clear as I wanted to. So to answer your original question, I play Ranked for the win and I play Normal for the basic gameplay.
DarkG0d (EUNE)
: and if you are not playing to win why do you play ? is there a reason for you to play any game if not for winning ? or you basically play to lose and say to your self its fun? are you kidding me man? is it all about whining ? accept the fact already.
There is a thing called "gameplay". Not all the people going for the win. In ranked sure, everyone is playing for the win but in Normal you can play for the basic experience that the game provides you and enjoy it. For example I can make a big play and get a penta but after that we still lose. After the game I'm still excited about my penta because I enjoyed it and I don't care if we lost that game becuse it's still a good experience.
Purejoyce (EUNE)
: http://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/alpha-client-discussion-en/gEYcfa7n-draft-pick?comment=0002
Well, we expected the update to be in today's patch and all of the complaining is becuse it's not there.
Husker (EUW)
: Hey! We are listening and I wanted to stop by to let you know we'll give an update on ND in the next couple of days. I'm just waiting to get some final answers on the main questions being asked by all of you.
Thanks, at least someone is trying to help us!
Gornian (EUNE)
: Why not create blind pick without draft and ban phase, only with role (mid, tope etc) in queue picking. Like queue in draft and other part from blind. It should be work.
Yea, it would be better than the regular blind, but for me it's not a solution because I hate the mirror match, I hate that I can't chose my Summoner Spells, Runes and Masteries with caution and I hate to play with and/or against Yasuo every game. I need normal draft.
DarkG0d (EUNE)
: How are you ruining peoples games by playing flex-q as draft? I dont remember saying troll flex-q
Flex is a Ranked queue, Normal Draft is not. I played multiple Flex games where I played it just like I would play Normal Draft and my thoughts is most of the Flex players playing for the win and for climbing. I stoped playing Flex becuse I don't want to make fun of these players. It's not about trolling, it's about how seriuosly are you playing. If you don't understand this then play the Flex, it's your decission.
: EUNE Normal Draft. <??>
Riot doesn't give a shit about EUNE. The only thing you can do is to not buy any RP until they solve this for us.
DarkG0d (EUNE)
: why dont you just use Flex-Q as draft ? like almost the entire server ?
Because there are people who don't want to ruin other players games.
: [Suggestion] Add "Random Champion" button to champ select
I agree. Sometimes I don't know what I want to play then I just press the random button until I got something interresting. I miss this function from the new client.
: I didn't think about that, you're right. There must be done something else to solve this anyway.
They should make the free champion rotation to 16 champions to allow all players to play Draft. There are already 134 hcampions in the game so they can't make a full rotation in a year now. I think the 16 champions per week is not that extreme idea.
: > [{quoted}](name=tiger4545,realm=EUNE,application-id=VnI9tlaf,discussion-id=gEYcfa7n,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2017-02-04T07:46:18.254+0000) > > Hope it will be a good update on the current situation. Ever since Normal Draft got removed, I barely even enjoy the game. Exactly. Me too.
: @Riot This bonus IP weekend has so far made for the most satisfying experience i've ever had.
I'm realy unsatisfied due to the missing Draft Pick. I played some Blind games with premades but I just hate the Blind. I don't want to play this game if the only option is the Blind Pick. Bring back Normal Draft!
HrS Sylar (EUNE)
: EUW has draft pick.
This is the most simple reason. On EUNE you can only play League of Legends Light Edition.
: Even in Draft Mode you dont get your role all the time.
Yeah but there is a reason why you chose a primary and a secondary role on draft.
ZeeDrakon (EUW)
: It's not a random excuse, its what riot has said is the reason draft was removed. And I've seen more than enough people complain about the Queue times on EUNE.
The players on EUNE waited 10-15 mins instead of 2-5 in order to keep themselves away from Blind Pick and I don't know who is complained about the long queue times on Normal Draft. If you want to play quality games then you need to wait longer.
: > [{quoted}](name=kezeslabas,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=rRPtM5Li,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-26T08:53:49.025+0000) > > That&#x27;s a reason why the EUNE&#x27;s avarage skill level is lower than on EUW. > > With the removal of Normal Draft they said you suck so we don&#x27;t care about you then they made harder to be better becuse you have no place to practice the ranked games. Thats a myth. They simply have better players in Master-Challenger.
Still harder to be a good player in EUNE and the Normal Draft has a big part in it.
Snowman Arc (EUNE)
: Yeah but there are people who take it seriously, or at least try to climb on it, including me. I won't accept anyone messing it round, because there is no normal draft, even though I understand why people would use Flex as the new Normal Draft. Rito seriously %%%%ed up and all we can do to fix it is complain on boards and not buying RP.
I aggree with you, also I play the Flex as Normal Draft becuse I bored of not playing and waiting for Riot to do something. In holidays I wanted to surprise myself with an Elementalist Lux but Riot surprised me with the missing Norml Draft so I bought No Man's Sky instead. (Still better than playing this game without Normal Draft tho) Also I'm sure I won't buy any RP until they fix this problem. Neither after that, they lost my trust with this...
: Make Co-op vs AI or a custom game if you want to try new champs.
If I want to **learn** a new champ then what type of game I need to start?
Infernape (EUW)
: That's not accounting for the fact that most players on EUNE commonly played normal blind pick over normal draft.
That's a reason why the EUNE's avarage skill level is lower than on EUW. With the removal of Normal Draft they said you suck so we don't care about you then they made harder to be better becuse you have no place to practice the ranked games.
Lauralf (EUW)
: You do though, you could start a custom game with the title "Practice game S4 - G5" and get players of the right skill level to join you for practice that way. Seeing as this is a major issue on EUNE right now you could probably get a community started to spread the word and increase the number of people looking for practice games in Custom mode.
It's sounds good but I don't know if it is a working conception. I'll give it a try tho.
D4RKEVA (EUW)
: so just dont dodge? its still ranked i understand that it sucks for eune but there is no need to play non competetive builds Most stuff is ok but for example ap panth isnt good for it
And what if I want to try Camille as a Full Tank and it goes wrong?
: > [{quoted}](name=kezeslabas,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=oMEGElTe,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2017-01-22T00:31:52.224+0000) > > It&#x27;s like riding a bicycle is not real riding, it&#x27;s like kiddie motor biking? > You can couse accidents with a bicycle too. and just like riding a bicycle anyone can practice it until they get good. unlike a motorcycle which, well, you cant unless you have a license.
You can ride a bicycle alongside a motor bike and if you can't ride safely the biker will get angry about you, just like a player who plays the Flex as Ranked.
: Well it is still Ranked and theres a lot of people who take it seriously so I think who use the mode for "Training (Champions they don't know how to play etc.) lack general respect when they force their mentality on people.
We have no other alternative on EUNE becuse of the missing Normal Draft. Also, I aggree with you about this but I waited months and I want to play the game so I need to make a deccision.
C9 Top Die (EUNE)
: Well I played flex ranked just as a joke and placed in platinum II, so I think its acceptable if you are trying your best to improve
I'm a little bit lucky and I got placed to Silver II so it's not that high level gaming but if I had got placed in Plat just like you I couldn't have played the game at all becuse in that level I can't make fun of the efforts of other players.
Aezander (EUW)
: So ... You want an answer from a Rioter, though you can use Common Sense? ... Ok. From my point of view, using Flex Queue to practice is not an acceptable behaviour, as it is a Ranked Queue. It is, however, an understandable sentiment, in lieu of what Riot did to Normal Draft in EuNE.
Yeah I want an aswer from a Rioter becuse this is not a simple question but it's realy important for the players on the servers without Normal Draft. For me to play Flex as Normal Draft is not acceptable, but I have no other choice on EUNE if I want to keep playing the game. So if I can get an answer from a Rioter I can say on the queue chat that it's not a punishable behaviour according to Riot, also my feelings will be better a little bit about doing it.
: > [{quoted}](name=kezeslabas,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=oMEGElTe,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-01-22T00:22:06.440+0000) > > So I need to ask before every game if they aggree with that I&#x27;m just practicing? Yes,because unlike you who wants to practice the rest of your team want to win the game.Get it? I want to win > i want to practice If you force your tactic to your team mates you'll only cause negativity will likely get reported.
But if I dodge too many times then I will get punnished. I can't keep asking the teamates forever.
: flex queue isnt REAL ranked. its like kiddie ranked, so practicing is ok.
It's like riding a bicycle is not real riding, it's like kiddie motor biking? You can couse accidents with a bicycle too.
: I think every game, no matter if soloq, flexq or normal 5 v 5, is practice. And as long as you do your best while practicing... who cares? I wouldn't.
I think the Ranked is the queue where you can match your skill and game understanding with other people. This is why I'm unconfident about the Flex as Practice Q, but on EUNE we have no other real solution.
: No,it's not.Solo/duo and Flex games are supposed to be competitive for you to test your skill.If you try to "test" new champions,builds(like AP pantheon) or any other tactic without your team agreeing to it they have the right to report you.
So I need to ask before every game if they aggree with that I'm just practicing?
: if you play to win sure i see enough people play slakish on their mains
Well, if I practice a champion the win is just secondary, my primary objective is to test out what that champion capable of, what is his/her limits and how the basic combos work. In order to do it I need to go agressive and a lot of times I die.
: Sure I'm fine with that. Most of my games are carryable, so one unexperienced player more or less isn't that much of a problem. That's the upside of low elo, you don't need to care about what your team picks.
I see, so you are an EUW player then. I appreciate your answer!
Valzuuuh (EUW)
: Flex Q is same as normal ranked, but you can play alone, with 2, 3 and 5 premade, but not as 4. Of course you can practice in Flex if you're not intetionally feeding or doing any other offenses.
So you want to play with me if I want to improve my Jungle skills but I learn slowly and our first 10 game is a lost mostly becuse of my weak performance in ganks and farming?
: Wahtever Champion I play Zac with 400k mastery points or karthus with about 0. Im not perfect in it so Im practicing while playing it in ranked so yes it is acceptable
So you are fine with it if I play 2nd time Zac Top in your promos?
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