: It is a bug, yes. But it adds a mechanical feature that may actually benefit the game more then if it were to be taken out. There has been a few of these in the past. For example, Gragas body slam hitbox was somewhat of a "bug" which made the hitbox of his body slam to be massive, to account in for his huge size. Once he was getting picked a lot in competitive and had a very high pick rate in soloq, Riot decided to fix this "bug" by giving a quality of life change to Gragas. I think this is one of these bugs that are way too overrated as well. It's the same as headbutting someone into a wall, you get around 0.5 seconds more cc, which is the optimal way to play alistar anyway. Similar mechanics would be headbutting an enemy into their team then flashing and pulverising. Headbutting someone against a wall then follow up with pulverise after the stun finished.
this bug is far different with just hitbox bug, if i have to make an example it would be something that totally removes the risk of using it. skarner not disabling his kits while ult and being able to attack the target, vayne not knocking back the enemy but stunning for short perious in same place as the enemy was. jhin being able to root the enemy even if none of ally or his q,e or autoattack damaged enemy. still sounds not overpowered yet?
Foxì (EUW)
: as I said it was not intended, but obviously going to be happen in the way they implemented the "new" w-q combo. Only becuase you step to far into an Alistar and get stunned 0,5 second longer its not Riots fault dude
yeah but not fixing it or even not giving any official IS their fault. 0.5sec of course it sounds nothing, but NOT KNOCKING BACK and extras stun time to ALISTAR? IS a big deal.
: It is a bug, yes. But it adds a mechanical feature that may actually benefit the game more then if it were to be taken out. There has been a few of these in the past. For example, Gragas body slam hitbox was somewhat of a "bug" which made the hitbox of his body slam to be massive, to account in for his huge size. Once he was getting picked a lot in competitive and had a very high pick rate in soloq, Riot decided to fix this "bug" by giving a quality of life change to Gragas. I think this is one of these bugs that are way too overrated as well. It's the same as headbutting someone into a wall, you get around 0.5 seconds more cc, which is the optimal way to play alistar anyway. Similar mechanics would be headbutting an enemy into their team then flashing and pulverising. Headbutting someone against a wall then follow up with pulverise after the stun finished.
the thing is that it's alistar that who's getting 0.5sec stun duration, he's already one of the most op supp in korean challenger or pro scene now, and let's think about WHY riot made his w only stun then when it's against a wall. alista has safe chain to make aoe knockup. targetted dash and aoe stun around him. sounds op, right? that's why riot made his w knock BACK, because if the targetted (almost, i'll keep saying targetted cuz it's annoying to write downa all time) aoe knockup was one skill, then it would've been way too unblacned. single knock back has risk to make enemy be able to survive, single aoe airbone around it can be hard to hit. but this bug COMPLETELY removes the risk. you can just rush into one and stun it. your team can easily chain the cc and you can use your q later. overall it's EXTRA cc to yourself or if your teammates can chain the cc you can save your q and use it somewhere else. if you want to cancel kata ult, nunu ult or smth like that but don't wanna knock them back or use both of your long cd skills? don't worry now you can! let's think about the situation that you get tower dived. use this bug to enemy who just damaged your teammate. not knocking back. don't use q. the enemy will either keep damaging your ally, try to kill it asap and go back before it gets too late or just try to run away right away. you know what's left? his knockup AND stun from e. after alistar can use E first and then q, you will 100% be dead because the way the alistars kit works NORMALLY, is that after the combo, you should run away asap because otherwise you'll get hit by his stun autoattack from e. but with this bug, you can just only stun them with the bug, and use your e first and then use your q. and THEN stun him. if the enemy dashes out after the w bug? don't worry you still have q and e, you can stun the next enemy who's still diving, if no one is diving anymore? jobs done! sounds not fair enough yet? it's a WAY huge deal than just weird hitbox don't you get it?
Foxì (EUW)
: you just don't understand that it is NOT A BUG. It may was not intended, but with implementing the easy w-q combo-buffering it was also invented that you could interrupt your w with the recall. There were several users of this all the time...
so RIOT OFFICIALLY once said ( casters as well say this several times in pro game scene when they have alistar in the game), "you're gonna have to be really careful to use your combo as allistar, because he DOES have scary combo but after you have to use TWO SPELLS at the same time for the combo, the risk will be a lot big. " some kinda stuff. why did they say that anways? after you can just use some bug and make your champ stronger? why didn't they just let the players know then? it is OBVIOUSLY a bug, it's not a bug that happend in some KOF that made players to have better play experience and made the game big, it's obviosuly not RIGHT for the alistar's kit and obviously affecting bad to the players who play agianst alistar as well. because alistar's w meant to not knock away and stun them ONLY when alistar used it against a wall. which is even WROTE DOWN AT HIS W SKILL detail. but if you can use that feature WITHOUT a wall, is that FEATURE that riot wants or just a bug that people are using because it's broken? think again mate
AD GLOVE1 (EUW)
: Ehhhhh
it's basically grinding such as all the RPG games, if you play as good as one person, your general winrate will stuck at 50% and stay at the elo, good as one and half person or as two people, your winrate will stay at around more than 50% but not 100% for sure, which means you have to play hundred and hundred games go climb up until the point that you start to play as good as one person at the elo. unless you're dominating enemies as 'smurf' climbing won't take time. but if you are wanting to 'climb', you'll have to grind the game as much as you can. that's also why most of people have such hard time at dimond 5 is that after diamond is a huge checkpoint, really a lot of people doesn't really try as hard as they were climbing so the d5 elo is basically dice-roll about how trying teammates you get :D
: > [{quoted}](name=8EEEEEEEEEEEEEED,realm=EUW,application-id=ETj6EdvQ,discussion-id=P5JZKc9F,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-12-04T08:59:03.064+0000) there's no champ who has similar name as ALISTA as allistar {{champion:429}} am i a joke to you
so kalista has a knockup with q, knockback with w, and stun with e? aight then
: > [{quoted}](name=8EEEEEEEEEEEEEED,realm=EUW,application-id=ETj6EdvQ,discussion-id=P5JZKc9F,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-12-04T08:34:05.626+0000) > > if you press w and then press the bq at the same time, what do you mean with bq?
literally b and q, key for the backport and q
Foxì (EUW)
: first of all he is called "Allistar", not "Alista". I won't be the only one thinking you mean Kalista... Yes they know the Bug, no they won't care about it, because it's a Feature. Maybe they fix it soon, maybe never (Mordekaiser would be ashamed would they fix it before his REALLY gamebreaking bugs)
your both points are ridiculous i would say, not everyone is playing with english client so it can surely happen that someone knows the champion's name wrong, there's no champ who has similar name as ALISTA as allistar, after i even wrote down about q knockup w knockback and e stuns. that just seems like you wanna tilt me with nothing and second, if the jhin's 'ult shooting at one second bug' was in the real server not pbe, and if everone in high elo was winning LP with that bug, would they just 'let it be'? let's give an another example as support champion who has cc, if tahm kench's passive was not dissapearing after tahm used w to enemy, so that he could stun the enemy right after he finishes his w with his q, would that be something that 'riot shouldn't care' and 'let it be'? if braum's passive stack didn't have cd and if lucian braum could infinite stun the enemy, would that be something that riot can 'let it be'? i'm seriously wondering your elo with your comment, sorry for being a %%%% but i do
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Lawetz (EUW)
: From which part of Korea? This comes from the village 멀리 멀리 where I lived for four years and learned Korean. Maybe you have different dialect. Please be respectful.
there's no villiage called as 멀리 멀리,,,, if you translate it it's just 'far far' villiage,,,?
Lawetz (EUW)
: Do you know what they call ARAM in Korea? They call it 랜덤 총 전쟁 which translates to Random Total War. That's what Riot is getting from its player base soon if things don't start going right. Too many changes and too much instability over these past few days.
i'm korean but no, we don't say that, that word right there you said is full of cringe not even 5 y.o korean boy is gonna use it. from where were you so sure about that? google?
Hüret (EUW)
: Pls help Nunu (40% winrate)
maybe also because when people troll they pick nunu and cleanse ghost
: That's a good idea but we already have the R timers (the green circles) and maybe its just me but isn't it better for the team if you just ask the guy with a good skill (blitz/thresh etc.) what his cdr is so you can keep count. And you still have the ping cd if needed. anyways a good idea but don't know if they use it because its good but not something we miss. (still upvoted for you <3)
yeah but my idea was that if you want the information and if the person doesn't ping it for you, you need to actually 'type' and ask how much seconds does the one have. and after ping is the way not to be having to chat, i thought it was gonna be better if you could directly check the cooldowns not waiting or asking by chat. with ultmate as well you eventually need to ask if you want to know the 'seconds' left.
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: You don't have to play ranked? You could just refuse? Also despite the fact, that you don't have the d5 label with a new account, you still are the same player and you are actually hurting match quality more than compared to, if you would just go into flexQ with your main account and let the match making give you opponents that are up to the challenge. I am sure there are a lot of things that a D5 player does better than a bronze player, even if he sucks completely with a particular champion, you know, overall game knowledge, csing, map awareness and so on.... I am not familiar with the limits of flexQ because I don't care about it, but i thought this is exactly what flexQ is for. And if not: again you could just play normals. This whole "smurfing to play with friends" just doesn't make much sense. I myself would not make a new account to play ranked with friends (which is equivalent to boosting them). But then again in principle I am also not interested to play the game competitively with friends that are way below my skill level, if anything I would try to teach them first, but certainly not in ranked. Back to topic though: the leveling up process sucks and it should be removed, but it's also kinda naive of you to make this thread acting like Riot does nothing to fight bots, just because you stumbled on the issue, that has been there all the time.
what's the point then, i did play few normal games with my friends, there still goes silvers and bronzes and golds all the time, so if i play my champ of course i stomp them, but if i play so called first time champ or unfamilir positions,(after i'm mid taliyah otp, and ex-adc player, going top and jg or supp is 100% losing at ranked) i would never say that i stomp them with my skill and more oftenly i lose. so why not having an another account only for practicing my weakest positions? eventually i can make myself better overall, also with my friends, having some goal again, even if it's lower than my current elo. what's wrong with that if my top, jg and supp skills are not on my elo level? and afterall if i get used to other positions, i can actually 'autofill' the game in my main account as well. just like i practiced taliyah with my friend's account when i was suffering as adc main, and at the end i'm taliyah mid main in my main account as well? and actually came back to diamond from plat cuz i gave up on adc at this season cuz of taliyah? what's wrong with having some group fun and group goal with my coworkers?
: they are trying to fight bot and scripters all the time, changing some stuff behind the scenes(things i dont rly understand so...), instead of only banning accounts that will easily be recreated they are trying to fight the source but people always adapt to their changes
i've heard they're doing some extra security program 'demacia' in kor server. just wanna know why are they not doing that stuffs here?
: What is stopping the bot users, that mostly rely on automated stuff, to make new accounts and keep doing it? A few of them will NOT get caught and hit level 30. But those few are enough for the botters to have the results. Whether they sell the accounts or use thm for themselves... I don't know. The game starts at level 30. The majority of the community doesn't care about bots. I don't care either. Imo they can remove the complete leveling up process because it only makes getting into the REAL game harder, it distracts you from the important aspects that matter once you reach level 30. PS: Just to make this clear, there are NO BOTS at level 30 and in ranked. In all those years i played, I didn't see a single bot, not even one, absolutely zero. Maybe ive seen one or two bots when I leveled up, but I couldn't tell the diffrence back then, because I was still overwhelmed by all the stuff that i had to learn. xD If you smurf thats kinda your problem. Doing all the leveling up BS again... why would you even do that?
i just need another account, because i found out that my coworkers plays lol, and they are around bronze ~ silver and they would like to play ranked with me, and i can tell that i'm totally trash when i don't play my main champs, which is really really few ( i'm kinda the otp player) so i thought it would be good if i have another account that i can play some champ that i'd like to learn or position. but i can never play with them (solo or flex ) cuz my elo is not fitting with them. ( i'm d5 and p2 in solo and flex)
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