Lari (EUNE)
: You did not get what i am saying, the joke is referring to the "recipient " of the insult if you are playing a game which you obviously want to enjoy and there is a crazy dude spamming these insults, you should not take them seriously and just convert the word into something else more nice, so that you will not get mad or ruin your mood. That is all :)
>you should not take them seriously and just convert the word into something else more nice That's not how triggers work - and no I'm not meme statusing the word trigger here either, that's a whole different thing. For example, I have a few triggers myself from some rather traumatic past experiences. When they happen I either: A. Have the mental strength at the time to deal with it OR B. Don't have the mental strength and spiral downward. Most people experience this in a similar fashion - it's different for everyone but these are the most common two options when you deal with a trigger. So turning into a "joke" doesn't really help here, because it kind of just makes the whole situation focus on that trigger.
: I don't think this is limited to internet activity, but to life in general. It's a lot easier to condemn someone's actions behind their back than it is to say it to their face. It's also easier to assume the worst in people who you don't know personally. For example, if you are driving along and someone cuts you up on the road, most people will naturally assume that that person is either doing it on purpose or is a complete idiot. They probably won't think "oh, that person made a mistake and didn't see me in time". The exact same thing happens in game. As yourself honestly, when you see someone die in a stupid way do you automatically think? a. "that guy is an idiot" b. "that guy is trolling/inting" c. "that guy made a mistake"
>I don't think this is limited to internet activity, but to life in general. Definitely. Again, it's the case of you remove the factor of an immediate or physical consequence, and suddenly people forget they exist. >c. "that guy made a mistake" Usually this one. Unless it's me. If it's me: >a. "that guy is an idiot" {{sticker:vayne-pose}}
Lari (EUNE)
: Dude it is a joke/ advice why can not you think out of the box? But i guess you have the Riot rules to follow :(
Because it's not funny. You need to consider for a moment here that mental health issues, whilst not widely talked about, affect pretty much the vast majority of the world population to some degree. That means that there is a large number of people who have had some interaction with self harm - wether it's themselves or others. When you see someone make a mockery of something that is serious, of essentially someones death, it's not funny. There is no joke here. Just a poor attempt to excuse being crude. >But i guess you have the Riot rules to follow :( I'm held to the same standards as you. I don't have any special rules to follow.
Lari (EUNE)
: %%% is misunderstood
Yeah that's not how it works. Almost no one uses them in that context - those phrases are not commonly abreviated to that. It's an awful attempt at a joke. That's why there's zero tolerance on the phrase. It may not be as simple to see why it's abhorrent, but for those of us who have been affected by suicide... It's not a joke. So don't.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: Cognitive Dissonance
I find the stance of anonymity and the internet incredibly interesting actually. I don't think it's a case of people forget that the person at the other end of the screen. I think it's more that the thought processes that we have include taking into account all the consequences of our actions (most of the time. Me on the weekend does not do this. Poor life choices yay!). I think when we remove the factor of a physical consequence from the equation, people are more likely to act... wrecklessly. ---------------------- The reason I believe this is the stance vs forgetting it's other humans is purely from the Battle.Net saga from a few years back. Some people may remember this, or those of you who are familiar with the inner workings of the Blizzard franchises (mind you it was pretty much just WoW, Starcraft and Diablo at these stages). There was a proposal to have forum users be marked by their RealID - meaning you could detect alts, know who the person was etc. Uproar from the community immediately followed - because people wanted to protect their anonymity - it had nothing to do with the fact it was people on the other screen. It's because people on the other screen would now KNOW who you are, and so there was a weight of consequence attached. Their final idea of it didn't even expose too much personal info at all, just kind of let you pick up on people trying to post from alts to troll. It never went through in the end, although I think it would have been a rather interesting experiment.
: > That's not true at all. I've seen a few bans over my time lurking on the boards be overturned because it was a false positive - It's not very common because false positives are super rare. One thing to remember is when people post chat logs, that unless they post the screenshot directly from the client, you need to take it with a grain of salt. It's super easy to edit the text in posts to make it look like they weren't doing anything wrong when in reality, they were. This is part of the reasons that most Emissaries, for example, won't specifically say who was in the right or wrong in all these theoretical situations, or take sides. Because unless we have that screenshot data, we have to factor a chance that it's been edited to a degree. Maybe it does happen, maybe not. All I know is that the last I heard of this particular case, (and saw the screenshots as proof) Riot support had refused to remove the ban. If they did remove it afterwards, I don't know. I'm just going by what I saw. And yes I'm well aware that chat logs that are copy-pasted onto the boards can be editted, although I'm not sure why someone would bother, since we the players have absolutely no control over how a person is punished and Riot have the unaltered logs to refer to. > Again, to reiterate. Swear words are fine (to a degree, we all know the scale of ok to extreme here). Swear words directed at other players are not fine. > > The IFS can tell the difference. So your proposed scenario here is actually not accurate at all. You haven't really addressed my issue here. Let me give an example how how I believe the system works and how it is flawed. Player A and Player B are on a team together. Player A makes a genuine mistake and Player B thinks that Player A is trolling. Player A then says to Player B "omg you suck at that champ", but Player B doesn't take offence to that. At the end of the match Player B reports Player A for trolling. The IFS activates and identifies the phrase "omg you suck at that champ" as negative and issues Player A with a punishment. Player A has effectively been punished for flaming even though Player B didn't take offence to the words said, and instead actually submitted a false report.
>And yes I'm well aware that chat logs that are copy-pasted onto the boards can be editted, although I'm not sure why someone would bother, since we the players have absolutely no control over how a person is punished and Riot have the unaltered logs to refer to. Because some people have the silly idea that if they can rally the community behind them their sins will be forgotten ;). > Player A makes a genuine mistake and Player B thinks that Player A is trolling. Player A then says to Player B "omg you suck at that champ", but Player B doesn't take offence to that. At the end of the match Player B reports Player A for trolling. The IFS activates and identifies the phrase "omg you suck at that champ" as negative and issues Player A with a punishment. Not quite how it works - honestly the outcome in a scenario like this would depend heavily on a few variable factors. What else was said in the game? Was that the only negative line? It's unlikely anything will happen then. Is this a type of behaviour you display often? Whilst only mild at best, it's still not exactly sportsman like or nice. If this type of behaviour is displayed consistantly over multiple games, then yes it's likely there will be a consequence. Edit: To add to this, unless you are intentionally feeding, or display extreme toxicity, or cheat etc. You are very unlikely to be banned or restricted from "just one game".
Paper1 (EUW)
: > It can. It just doesn't factor in the other persons typing - because your responses are your conscious decisions, involving a thought process in which you type the answer, and have to send it yourself. > > So if we're defining "context" as other peoples logs, then no, it's irrelevant. > They may have provided the spark, but when you retaliate, you're just throwing gasoline on it, along with a bunch of lit matches. Are you saying that the toxic players side of the chat log is all the context or enough of the context? I see a lot of this argument on the boards where "It doesn't matter what they did, only you", and my response is like "yes, but you're missing half on the conversation". It feels like people want their first judgement on the matter to be correct without accounting for all the text. Some posters on here do try to explain what they're responding to, but it gets shot down by "it only matters what you did". That sounds pretty ignorant of then.
>Are you saying that the toxic players side of the chat log is all the context or enough of the context? I see a lot of this argument on the boards where "It doesn't matter what they did, only you", and my response is like "yes, but you're missing half on the conversation". It feels like people want their first judgement on the matter to be correct without accounting for all the text. Here's the thing. If you're backed into a corner, with 0 way out, and the only response is to flame back. Sure, then the other persons logs become relevant. But that's not the case. Every single person has the tools to mute these people, and report them so that the person in question can learn that that behaviour is not OK. The reason the rest of it is irrelevant, and isn't a "self defence" thing, is because when you retaliate in such a fashion, you've ignored the defensive measures provided that would resolve the situation. Instead it's a more "offensive" approach, which escalates the situation, drags more people in and all the rest - which does pretty much put you on the same level as the other person, just your triggers were different (e.g. they were triggered by X act, you were by their behaviour) - so there's really little difference between the two here tbh.
Inaphyt (EUW)
: Just me or Karma mid sleeper brohoken?
Problem is her damage is all loaded into one spell, esentially. Miss that and you're suddenly just "surviving" until its off CD again. I will agree with you that it's really strong when you're playing a protect the ADC comp, though.
: > False positives happen super rarely - I'm familiar with this example too, and the decision was eventually overturned iirc. Was it? The last I heard Riot support refuse to remove the ban despite the context. > That's not how it works at all. Two reasons: > > You need to be reported for the IFS to check anything. So if you're not reported, it doesn't matter what you say really (don't use this as an excuse to go off the rails - it's just a statement). > > It doesn't just hone in on "swears". Sure, there's a zero tolerance list which it will hone in on for the super bad stuff - but the system is actually in a position where it can distinguish the context - e.g. "son of a b!!!!h in game would be glossed over and not really counted. "You're a b!!!!h" in game, however, where it's directed at someone is completely different and likely to be logged. Yes, I'm well aware of that. However, if a teammate reports me for trolling the IFS will still scan the chat and will punish me for words I have said that it deems punishable, even if I wasn't reported for flaming.
>Was it? The last I heard Riot support refuse to remove the ban despite the context. That's not true at all. I've seen a few bans over my time lurking on the boards be overturned because it was a false positive - It's not very common because false positives are super rare. One thing to remember is when people post chat logs, that unless they post the screenshot directly from the client, you need to take it with a grain of salt. It's super easy to edit the text in posts to make it look like they weren't doing anything wrong when in reality, they were. This is part of the reasons that most Emissaries, for example, won't specifically say who was in the right or wrong in all these theoretical situations, or take sides. Because unless we have that screenshot data, we have to factor a chance that it's been edited to a degree. >Yes, I'm well aware of that. However, if a teammate reports me for trolling the IFS will still scan the chat and will punish me for words I have said that it deems punishable, even if I wasn't reported for flaming. Again, to reiterate. Swear words are fine (to a degree, we all know the scale of ok to extreme here). _**Swear words directed at other players are not fine.**_ The IFS can tell the difference. So your proposed scenario here is actually not accurate at all.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: still is obvious flame and works slow , or it have hundreds of cases to analys , is not an independent system for every server?? And regarding other stuffs i sayd?? or pointed.
The IFS acts instantly (hence the name, so there's no cases of it "working slow") nor backlog or anything like that. The IFS also behaves differently for each server, as each region has different stances on what is and isn't ok (e.g. swearing is a lot more prominant in OCE - but that's because Aussies and Kiwis just swear a lot in general - but never an issue so long as it's not directed at someone - which is generally the same everywhere but a bit moreso there from memory). Here's the thing. It's not as simple as "you said a bad word, you get banned". When you've been detected breaking the rules, it takes a lot of things into account. The main 3 are typically: How extreme was the toxicity? How often does this happen? What sort of history exists with this behaviour? If that was someones first time offence, for example, after 3 years of a spotless record - they'll likely get a warning, as we're all humans and have bad days. If it's extreme toxicity, or it becomes a regular pattern of behaviour is when the IFS steps in. It's also worth noting that you technically have no way of verifying if someone has or hasn't received a punishment anyway; so honestly they might have a chat restriction - you just don't know these things, only Riot and that player do.
: Context is very important. We've seen cases on these boards of people using certain terms in a non-inflammatory way, but get punished by the IFS for it. One case in particular that I remember is a guy who told a teammates to kill themselves (using the infamous acronym) and got suspended for it. What he meant was he wanted the player to execute to the turret in order to avoid giving gold to the enemy team, not for the player to kill themselves in real life. Sure, that's an extreme example so let's look at another one. If I'm talking about my female dog I will often use the correct term which is "b.i.t.c.h". I have no doubt though that if I use that term in-game and get reported for trolling, the IFS will activate and I will be punished for using that word, even though I didn't use the word offensively, nor did my teammates take offence to me using that word (they didn't report me because I used that word, but for other reasons). Context is very important, and the IFS cannot distinguish context.
> One case in particular that I remember is a guy who told a teammates to kill themselves (using the infamous acronym) and got suspended for it. What he meant was he wanted the player to execute to the turret in order to avoid giving gold to the enemy team, not for the player to kill themselves in real life. False positives happen super rarely - I'm familiar with this example too, and the decision was eventually overturned iirc. >Sure, that's an extreme example so let's look at another one. If I'm talking about my female dog I will often use the correct term which is "b.i.t.c.h". I have no doubt though that if I use that term in-game and get reported for trolling, the IFS will activate and I will be punished for using that word, That's not how it works at all. Two reasons: 1. You need to be reported for the IFS to check anything. So if you're not reported, it doesn't matter what you say really (don't use this as an excuse to go off the rails - it's just a statement). 2. It doesn't just hone in on "swears". Sure, there's a zero tolerance list which it will hone in on for the super bad stuff - but the system is actually in a position where it can distinguish the context - e.g. "son of a b!!!!h in game would be glossed over and not really counted. "You're a b!!!!h" in game, however, where it's directed at someone is completely different and likely to be logged. >Context is very important, and the IFS cannot distinguish context It can. It just doesn't factor in the other persons typing - because your responses are your conscious decisions, involving a thought process in which you type the answer, and have to send it yourself. So if we're defining "context" as other peoples logs, then no, it's irrelevant. They may have provided the spark, but when you retaliate, you're just throwing gasoline on it, along with a bunch of lit matches.
: Permanently Banned - A story of the 0.006%
>To provide context for the chat log: I was getting flamed by someone for dying continuously botlane, mainly because the enemy team had lane prio and was able to accomplish 2 dives back to back. I start by defending myself and the conversation becomes a back and forth devolving into flame as we go. Here's the thing. You've actively broken down yourself as to why it's not a good idea to engage in these sort of things. Yet you did it anyway :/ I'm not going to bother breaking down this point more, I just thought it was worth noting. >Rito Janglez: %%%got Leauge of Legends and Riot have a zero tolerance stance on homophobia, along with racism, sexism and pretty much all forms of discrimination. Using words like this will pretty much yield an instant ban in most cases, as it's a word that society in general, not just Riot, has deemed unacceptable. To add to this, the other player never made you use this word. Or flame back at all. These were all concious decisions that you made, albeit even if your judgement was clouded. I'd suggest removing that word from your vocabulary tbh.
Lari (EUNE)
: " What did you do all game, you are a f*ng Noob"
Also want to clarify that Rank =/= ELO Whilst Elo does directly affect your rank, they are not the same thing. This is why you can be a higher ranker playing with lower ranked people, or vice versa. This is also what impacts your LP gains - you'll notice that if you're on a winning streak, your LP gains will be larger - this is so that your rank can catch up to and reflect your actual ELO. Same works in reverse on losing streaks. So when you're judging someones performance purely based on rank... it's not really accurate to say they're lower ELO than you, as you are placed within a fairly small range, especially at that level where a large chunk of players are similarly positioned.
AsianZed (EUW)
: Can we get HARVESTEROFSOULS to see this. (please it's my birthday tomorrow)
Always good to hear positive feedback for Player support :) those guys do an amazing job. And I wanted to drop a Happy Birthday messsage for you too :D Edit: Hmmm How many colours can we get in here I wonder.
Lester the (EUNE)
: Am I the only one who thinks that Leona is unhealthy for the game?
Her weakness is the fact that she HAS to commit. Whether her engage was a smart decision or not she's in the middle of everything, and nothings going to change that. So you need to learn how to create situations where you can punish her for it.
Father Tios (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=zTKBam4F,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2019-03-13T22:13:27.699+0000) > > That's.... ridiculous. > > Most countries DON'T speak English as a first language, why on earth should English speakers of all people demand that of others? (Native English speaker - Australian, not biased). > Because it's the Lingua Franca, and it is well-mannered to use a common language when in an environment with others. You can't assume other people to speak Russian; you can assume other people to speak Englando. > Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's immediately negative either. If it bothers you that much, why don't you try to learn another language to get a better grasp of it? > I'm currently learning German myself. You can start to see patterns between languages when you pick them up too. > While learning languages sure is a good thing to do (for self-development), it would be RIDICULOUS to expect others to pamper to you by learning your native language, when there is a language that is commonly used to communicate between cultures. > Sitting in the bubble of "it's not in English so I don't like it" is going to close a lot of doors for you. I think the problem stems from being able to communicate while in company. Take some of the chinese/korean pro players for example; in many of the interviews it was brought up, that they were struggling because of the language barrier; and that for example Huni was learning English partly for this very reason. Now, I am not saying that you should abuse people who don't speak English. I am pointing out inconsistencies in your post, as to why one should use a common language when in an environment with people from multiple different countries/cultures; not doing so is actually quite ignorant. (And my personal experience at least is, that it is more common to have someone lob insults at ME in their native language, than seeing someone flame them for using their native language) I for one am Finnish, and I don't expect ANYONE to speak Finnish when I go somewhere that is, you know, NOT FINLAND. Because FINLAND is not the center of the world, and most people in the world do NOT speak the language. And yes; even in FINLAND, it is not uncommon for me to use ENGLISH, because there actually are people who don't speak the language. IN MY COUNTRY. Can you believe it. Funny, though, that people from %%%%ing AFRICA and everywhere seem to, somehow, be able%%%%use English. I wonder why that is. (Sorry for the sarcastic remark in the end; I could not resist as I dislike the type of argument that you should pamper to someone who isn't willing to cooperate; someone who is not ready to learn a common language to work with others, is hardly someone you should work with.) I actually enjoy speaking with people who aren't from my country, and most of them are very fluent in English (and my circle has people from all over; Brazil, Russia, Germany, Africa, Afganistan, Iran... All of them fluent in English; Should I instead learn to speak all of their languages, instead of all of the different groups speaking a universal language..?)
I'm not asking you to pamper. In fact, if anything you're asking that of others by asking them to speak English. The EU community spans many languages, there a lots of boards for different regions and the such - that's why you don't see so much of it HERE compared to in game. Because it's moved to its respected area. All I'm saying is that it's not fair to demand someone to speak English just because you don't understand it, and automatically assuming that they're talking bad of you because you don't understand it is getting pretty close to xenophobic levels. I didn't tell you to learn another language to "cater" to them either. That was more a personal recommendation to help you get around your issues when people speak other languages around you. 99% of the time it's not about you.
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: Well, first of all, reading a foreign language that I don't understand is both confusing and makes me feel inferior because I have no idea what you're talking about in the chat, for all we know you could be talking shit about someone on the team. Second of all, if you know people will talk crap about Russians, just use simple English phrases and don't speak Russian. Don't draw attention to yourself if you don't have to, simple as that.
That's.... ridiculous. Most countries DON'T speak English as a first language, why on earth should English speakers of all people demand that of others? (Native English speaker - Australian, not biased). Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's immediately negative either. If it bothers you that much, why don't you try to learn another language to get a better grasp of it? I'm currently learning German myself. You can start to see patterns between languages when you pick them up too. Sitting in the bubble of "it's not in English so I don't like it" is going to close a lot of doors for you.
: I understand where you are coming from but what bothers you or not could vary depending on your emotional state at the time.
And thats 100% going to affect whether I do or don't. I'm not going to lie and say my report finger is less trigger happy when I've had a bad day, for example. Hence why I don't set a yard mark.
: When do YOU report your teammates for flaming?
When it bothers me. That's it. There's no yard mark for that. They either bother me with the toxicity or they don't. And I'll act appropriately from there.
Hansiman (EUW)
: Nono, I'm totally made up.
m3dyz4 (EUW)
: Scream of my soul about racism!
Hi Denis :). I'm sorry you're experiencing negativity :(. Most of the community are good people, just remember that. Regarding the bad ones you've stumbled across flaming you for that - it's best to report them, and mute them. The report system picks up on this sort of behaviour too :).
Avalia (EUW)
: Why do you guys buy RP and Skins in LOL
I'll answer this question the way I live my life: "If I can't do it looking pretty, then what's the point in doing it?" {{sticker:sg-ezreal}} P.S I own too many skins. send help
Vanderlin (EUW)
: A Two Week Ban is a Bit Extreme
As others have mentioned, there are zero tolerance words within League of Legends. These include racist, extremely violent, sexist, or homophobic comments and slurs. The homophobic slur used here is one deemed unacceptable by most of society. It's not any different here.
radetari (EUNE)
: The reason why LoL messes up your mentallity
I think the problem is more underlying than just saying "Lol League ruins you" - as someone who's been playing this game for a good 7 years now, I'd like to say at least my temper is in check. (not opening the can of worms on the rest of my mental health kappa). I mean, these scenarios you're explaining are no different to when that jerk in the office screwed you over on X project. It's not appropriate to yell and curse and swear or whatever in that setting, so why is it different when we place a screen infront of someone rather than that? (also saying because you get paid doesn't cut it here - I'm sorry but if part of the reason you're being paid is "not to yell at someone", there's definitey underlying issues here). The issue here, I believe, lays with the internet itself and peoples current expecations and thoughts on it. If you spend time in unmoderated communities, then yes it's a cess pool where anything goes, and we become desensitized (I've logged my hours on 4chan back in the day). But then you shift to somewhere where societal norms (And I want to highlight this, behaviour that is actioned upon in game is behaviour that most, say bars or cafes or whatever, would also remove you from the premises for) are expected, but you still have this concept of very little consequence for interactions over a screen.... which leads us to scenarios like this. Where we blame it on a physical thing, without looking at the bigger scope, and assume the company that runs it is the problem, because they hold the community to a.. well normal standard really.
: yeah I get dat but they should be banned too if those RULES were in fair use. When you get banned they cant just look at your logs. They must see logs from the game and if they did they would at least ban them but they didnt. My problem is that I am the only one who got banned because I played champion who everyone dislikes so they reported me just for that whole reason. I dont care if I get banned the thing is that the others dont get banned too. It is not fair at all and Riot should remake their ways of doing things
>yeah I get dat but they should be banned too if those RULES were in fair use. How do you know they weren't? It's also not as simple as "ban or no ban". If it's a one off behaviour from an otherwise really well behaved player, for example, chances are they may not be given a ban, but it will still be recorded against them. If it escalates past "once in a blue moon", then that's when restrictions and bans come into play. >My problem is that I am the only one who got banned because I played champion who everyone dislikes so they reported me just for that whole reason. That's not why you got banned. Amount of reports changes nothing. 1 report has the same value of 9. All a report does is trigger a review of the game. If you did nothing wrong, nothing will happen. If you'd like clarification on why you got banned, it was because of this: >Anata ha baka: u should prepare your rope rn :* Not going to lie, the rest of your logs aren't exactly great either, but you're indirectly telling someone to do something pretty awful. (Personally I don't even understand it as a joke - as someone who's been affected by it, it's really not funny at all).
: Riot locked my accaunt
>So I played till level 3 or 4 and some days later I gave the accaunt to my cousin (he was playing 2 years in the accaunt and then he stopped) This is where your problem is. Account sharing is against the Terms of Use. You were likely flagged when playing on a new computer different to the previous user, along with patterns of behaviour etc. When you create an account, it's important that you _**don't give your password to anyone**_ . This includes family members and friends. If they'd like to start playing too, get them to make a new account. That way you can even play together, and you won't run into problems like this down the track ;)
: I forgot to mention, this player even made someone else from the team quit the game and AFK. Im totally digusted with this system.
And that sucks. I agree. But that doesn't give you the go ahead to start flaming back. Looking at your logs, you literally had ample oppurtunity to stop and report and move on. You just kept escalating the situation. To be honest, what the Garen did or did not do is irrelevant. This discussion is focusing on what you did, and how it's not appropriate. Systems not perfect, not here to argue that, god knows it could use improvement. "He started it" is not a valid excuse for the below behaviour though, sorry.
: Unbanning reformed players.
The Tyler1 ban was completely different. He had a total ID ban. Any account found to be his was immediately banned, no questions. That was the ban that was lifted. All those permabanned accounts are still permabanned. Permabans exist as a reminder not to break the rules further should you decide to make a new account. They're supposed to "suck", because it takes a fair amount to get to a perma before you actually do. If you want to continue playing, learn from your mistakes and start over on a new account.
: I guess i will do that after they lift my ban at some point, thanks, at least somebody that understands the fustration.
I would discourage you to do what's been suggested to you. Breaking the rules as well doesn't help anyone. On top of that, it's more than just about you and the other person. There are 8 other people playing the game; it's not fair to forget about them, and force them to deal with double the nonsense because of this "eye for an eye" nonsense. Especially when it can be picked up and punished at times.
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: When and why did League games go from somewhat normal to super oppressive?
In my opinion it's a combination of two things: Constantly trying to lower the duration of games (I remember when playtime average was 40 mins +.... and miss it like hell). Constantly trying to create new kits and interesting different champions, resulting them being overloaded with new abilities whilst older champions wait their turn for a rework.
No0bZed (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=R7GJWEAy,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-02T16:50:14.328+0000) > > Hi No0bZed, > > You can submit a ticket to player support [here.](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us) > > It's usually best to utilize the in-client report function though. hello,i was searching there,but i didn't find there to send image and video about fedeer
You need to click on the "submit a request" at the top of the screen to open a ticket interface.
: quick Q to riot
Because he's a juggernaut. He's supposed to be able to survive a bit whilst he charges in. The downfall is that he has to charge in to get to you. It's quite heavily broadcast, and with good positioning, easily kiteable whilst you wait for his abilities to go on cool down.
No0bZed (EUNE)
: report about fedeer
Hi No0bZed, You can submit a ticket to player support [here.](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us) It's usually best to utilize the in-client report function though.
ScorpioGG (EUNE)
: Lets see what RIOT thinks of this!!!!!!! Ranked games only with MINIMUM LVL 5 champs and ABOVE!!!!
Champion mastery means very little in the long run. There are some champions I have level 5-7 on that there's no way I could play comfortable at my current ELO. There are champions I've just picked up that I get the hang over in 2-3 games. There's no accurate gauge on how to "measure" someones preparedness for ranked, because everyone's required amount of preparation or practice is different. That's why a system like this would likely change very little, and just serve as an irritating gate keeper to playing ranked matches.
: ***
He's one of the few (possibly only) people to have one of these types of bans to the lengths that it went. They opted out of it when he reformed. Sure he's still toxic at his viewers, and yells at his mic - but as long as that doesn't make it in game it's fine (hell I've yelled at my screen more times than I can recall). So they decided to treat him like a regular player again. That's it. The only special treatment he got was a harsher punishment than anyone else could get - even if temporary. Edit: No point apologizing to me, I'm just another player.
: ty sir & good luck in the field of justice (just thought if riot did unban super toxic streamer TYLER1 so why not asking maybe its not abt the streams)
Because Riot never unbanned Tyler1's accounts. Tyler1's "ban" was a total ID ban. Any account found associated with him, or found played by him was immediately banned regardless of whether rules had been broken or not. Riot lifted the "ID ban" from Tyler1, however none of the banned accounts were re-opened. So you're being treated exactly the same really. You're being given the opportunity to create and play a new account if you want to continue playing, just like Tyler1 was, stream or no stream ;)
AΙistar (EUNE)
: Perma banned 3 years ago
Hey Alistar, Whilst player support do tend to use a lot of "template" replies (purely for the volume of tickets they handle every day), your case will be reviewed by a person (past the blitzcank-bot auto response of course). Also worth noting ticket response times can... vary. I'm sorry that this has happened, and if the circumstances you've mentioned are true, just be patient and see what Player Support can do :).
: can u define "banned in error" cuz i think my behavior require 1 month ban ir 3 maybe but defiantly i dont deserve the perma ban
Banned in error would mean you were banned by the system by mistake. It wouldn't impact your "duration" if there was an error. There's only 2 types of actual bans - the 14-day and the Perma. You have to already have had a 14-day to get a Perma. I've looked at your logs below, and I'm sorry, but this ban looks pretty justified to me, and it's incredibly unlikely it would be removed.
: I really dont understand this ... if you ban me from the game ... why dont do the same for the forum !!!
Because the boards and in game are two completely different communities. Riot also don't tend to handle boards bans or moderation - that's done by the volunteer team (more on us [here](https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/announcements-en/gmQTWs7V-reintroducing-the-volunteers).) And we don't take into account in game behaviour because we have no any extra information than any other player. So yeah, unless you break the boards rules (well the more severe ones anyway), you're still welcome to post. Edit: broke mah links.
: Sorry but do YOU have in particular the script codes for the bot handling reports/punishments? Do YOU have a precise insight in what patterns get punished and how "many" such games are needed for you to receive a punishment? Do you have ANY waterproof material to back your words up? So everyone has just enough reason to take what you say as complete rubbish as you take mine as.
I’ll happily provide red posts on how they’ve openly stated how the system works when I’m back home and not on mobile ;) but they’re definitely there.
: Nothing new that punishments are given out on pretty vague players. "He started it" might not be an excuse for breaking the rules, but give us atleast the satisfaction to give the player triggering others into missbehaving atleast the same punishment, if not a harder one. Erring is human and not everyone posesses ALWAYS enough patience to resist emotions taking over. Someone might have had very stressful past days, maybe even a death of a relative that set up a really bad mood already. Getting across players who quickly start to flame other people for their dumb mistakes and might even start trolling cuz "they aren't the star of the game where the entire team guards up their butt so they can feel like Faker", that might be the drop that makes the barrel of negative emotions overflow. I have come around countless games as jungler, where one or multiple lanes did stupid actions where majority of the cast would put the mistake equal to "just running it down". Countless games where me and my Duoq Midlaner have set up really good vision controll, the enemy jungler passes FIVE, i repeat; FIVE freaking wards walking to botlane. I wrote in chat "care enemy jgl bot inc", spamm pinged on every ward he passed. Yet the botlane had to greed so heavily that they both get caught with less than 20% HP (and no summoners) and obviously give a double to the enemy jungler. 10 seconds after they die, classic "if you lose your lane, blame your jungler" mindset comes up. Classical "better jgl wins" or "jgl difference again". Now tell me, isn't it human to loose your nerves at some point when you come across dull people like that all day, or you already had a hella bad time lately and thus are easier to crack into breaking the rules? Isn't it justified for the jungler to get mad who has twice the CS lead over the enemy jungler due to counterjungling, solokilled the enemy jungler twice? Set up a lot of deep wards gaining vision controll to take the enemy jungler completly out of the game? And then the greedy botlane, who refuses to listen to the rest of the team, puts the enemy jungler back into the state of being equal in strength or getting a huge comeback ruining all your ingame efforts for the first 10 minutes of the game, putting you back where you started. Now I just mute those people and accept the defeat if they refuse to cooperate with the team in most cases. But if I wrote a SINGLE comment back to defend myself, I would've run into the risk of getting punished for 2 other players being hella toxic and basicly trolling the game. What I personally mean when I say "but he started it" isn't that my behaviour was appropriate, it's about the most toxic guy in the game who started the entire cluster%%%% to get a punishment aswell. I have countless examples where I litereally needed inhuman patience equal to a monk training for his entire lifetime to hold back and not say anything inappropriate back. What I also see very often, that normal communication or actual good critism towards your fellow players gets recognized as toxic behaviour way to often. I once got a chat restriction of 10 games for blaming adc/mid for not building morelloes/executioners when the enemy team had darius, warwick, vladimir and a soraka and just overran us with all their heales. I haven't said anything that should've been considered toxic. All I said is "Guys stop fighting, you didn't even realize you had to build grievious wounds and yet you blame and insult others for the lost game"
>I once got a chat restriction of 10 games for blaming adc/mid for not building morelloes/executioners when the enemy team had darius, warwick, vladimir and a soraka and just overran us with all their heales. I haven't said anything that should've been considered toxic. All I said is "Guys stop fighting, you didn't even realize you had to build grievious wounds and yet you blame and insult others for the lost game" That's not how it works at all. You don't get a chat restriction for one game, it's when it's a becoming a regular pattern of behaviour that restrictions kick in. I'm sorry. I don't believe this example, especially without screenshots of your reform card to back your claim. ---------------------- To err is to human sure. That's why you won't get banned for just one game (unless you're going way over the mark with zero tolerance words/intentional feeding/death threats etc). You will only get a restriction if it becomes a pattern of behaviour. So the "erring" excuse kind of fades away here, because it has to be done multiple times.
Oxyy (EUNE)
: Is there any way to open ticket about people behaviour?
Hi Oxyy, We don't allow naming and shaming here on the boards :(. ----------------------- If you'd like to report a player post game, then your best bet is to do so via the in-game client. If you missed the oppurtunity to do it there, you can submit a ticket to support here: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us Your best bet is to block and remove that person from your friends list. In future, don't accept friend requests from people you don't know.
: 14 day ban unjustified
You were banned for the homophobic slur you used. It's zero tolerance, and deemed unacceptable by most of society, not just Riot. I suggest you remove it from your vocabulary.
Scarlesh (EUW)
: Riot empowers trolls and baiters into getting their victims restricted
"He started it" isn't really a valid excuse in these scenarios, nor in most similar verbal (text here) conversations or exchanges. You have the power to be the bigger person and ignore it. If you take the bait and break the rules yourself as well... well I'm sorry that's on you. No one forced you to make that decision, it's a conscious decision you made yourself. This is all regardless of the fact that the person baiting you is held to the same standard. The system doesn't randomly pick and choose who to ban. That's not how it works. So if you report them, and it's more than a "once off" then it's likely they will face repercussions too. It's also worth noting that these restrictions are based off regular patterns of behaviour, not once offs. Reform cards just provide the most recent examples. EDIT: >does so by actively rewarding chat toxicity and punishing those who've been victim of it. Can you provide a source for this? I see toxicity punished on the daily. Most of my posts are usually player behaviour related at some point. I've also never had an infraction or restriction, and I've been playing since season 2 - and I can pretty much assure you that I'm not toxic...nor have I ever seen toxic behaviour been rewarded in my years of playing.
: CAN YOU PLS UNBAN
Hi Omega Squad H, Permanent bans are just that. Permanent. Unfortunately, if it was justified, it won't be removed. If you think you were banned in error, you can submit a ticket to player support here: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us ------------ If you'd like some input on why you got banned, feel free to post your reform card or chat logs here :). Although bear in mind that we can only critique and advise why you got banned, and how to avoid doing so on a new account in the future. No one on the boards has the power to remove your ban.
Pavle2001 (EUW)
: I'm... disagreeing with Riot here to an **extent** .
> [{quoted}](name=Pavle2001,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=z75AYGpz,comment-id=000a000000000001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-27T21:29:58.224+0000) > > I'm... disagreeing with Riot here to an **extent** . Am I going to deny there's questionable deaths? no Am I going to agree it's ban worthy? also no.
: > But the punishment pyramid at current is so black and white. And it also opens question to the debate of what punishments should be in place and at what point is it differentiated for someone that's escalating? Exactly. I understand that Riot have to show a strong front when enforcing bans, if they unbanned one player they'll be inundated with support tickets for an unban (which I'm sure already happens). When the Soraka boasted that she'd gotten "millions of players like me banned and I won't be logging on tomorrow" I honestly laughed at her. I've never been banned before, and this wasn't a game to be worried about since there was no way (in my opinion) could it be deemed inting. It's such a shame that my account is now in jeopardy of being permenent banned for another infraction. I've honestly never felt so vulnerable as a player as any next game could be my last due to a support ticket. If you haven't watched the Youtube clip I've provided I implore you to do so and make a decision for yourself, is this really ban worthy?
My honest opinion? There are definitely deaths in there that are questionable, you and I can both probably see that. However, if you don't have a history of any type, no I'm not of the opinion that this should be an immediate 14-day ban. Not in an URF match. But that's just another players opinion to you. It doesn't hold any weight, it's just my view.
: > Everyone is entitled to their own opinion This is my ban in a nutshell. The Rioter that responded to the Tweet said it seems harsh for an URF game. The majority of people in this thread agree that it's way to harsh a punishment. Riot support said no, you inted and that's that. Both of the greens in this thread agree with Riot and I respect your opinions. What i'm frustrated by is that I feel like my ban could have gone either way depending on which Rioter reviewed the initial case. Since one Rioter deemed it was int, it puts Riot in the awkward position of admitting fault with their system if they revert the ban.
I'm... disagreeing with Riot here to an extent. I'll explain how below . To be clear. I thought I'd established that. > Since one Rioter deemed it was int, it puts Riot in the awkward position of admitting fault with their system if they revert the ban. I think the problem here doesn't so much stem from the review of it, but rather the fact that this was escalated to an immediate 14-day ban. If you have a clean slate, as you say, given the circumstances then in my own (and I heavily emphasize this is my own opinion) that should be something like a warning. A "Hey, this is your one off. Try not to do this again". But the punishment pyramid at current is so black and white. And it also opens question to the debate of what punishments should be in place and at what point is it differentiated for someone that's escalating? It's an imperfect system. I'm not here to argue against that. It's just unfortunate that sometimes it works out... not so well.
: Renekton Otp Name
: I feel like Zoe is weak rn. Isn't she supposed to one shot people late game? I played against one and she could hardly 1v1 me when I played Camille when in reality Zoe should win 1v1 skirmishes late game.
Depends. Zoe is all about getting the pit. The first hit. Late game if you can master weaving in and out of combat for those hits, you can wreak havoc. Sleeps allow you to set that up, whilst also offering an already decent downtime to be punished on an immobile champion. Especially since it's short range unless you have conditions, meaning when you do collapse on her it's significantly harder to use effectively. I don't understand why the need to extend that window, personally.
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