: I got banned for inting when I wasn't
Yeah, your deaths don't line up with a bad game. Also your response was from the support bot which just shares the statistics it behaves off. That BIG RED BUTTON that says "Request Human" will get player support to review it. Though I doubt you'll be successful.
: Premades of LoL, do you report your own friends?
Personally if I see my friends stepping out of line, I'll mention it to them the first time (I only tend to play with friends on voice chat and mention it to them there). If it continues I remind again. 3rd strike is I won't play with them again really and report it. Of course they can skip all 3 in my eyes if it's something super extreme too.
Kraungard (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=fRJNgaz3,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-09-19T11:31:02.632+0000) > > It sucks and the system definitely needs improvement - I've experienced it at a high volume as well the last few days (did receive IFS notifications a couple of times which was nice though). > > Just walk into the mentality that a ranked game is the same as a normal. Because at the end of the day, it is - the only difference is there's a score attached to one. > When you start adapting that mentality and just playing your best, I found that I got phased by this a lot less. Oh, I did try doing that and I understand that it's just a game after all but the thing is, that very score is what makes it hard not to get stressed out. I mean, we play Ranked because of that score and when that score goes down because we lose we kind of feel bad about it. In Normals there's nothing really to lose, nothing really to gain either but still, Normal and Ranked will always have a different feel to me just because of that.
>Oh, I did try doing that and I understand that it's just a game after all but the thing is, that very score is what makes it hard not to get stressed out It's difficult, but once you master the art of ignoring toxic players and focusing on you, I promise this sort of stuff just rolls off your back. >I mean, we play Ranked because of that score and when that score goes down because we lose we kind of feel bad about it. In Normals there's nothing really to lose, nothing really to gain either but still, Normal and Ranked will always have a different feel to me just because of that. Just pretend there's no score. I play almost exclusively ranked. I don't play normals because if I can play the same game and get a score for it, why not right? But I also don't treat it any differently to standard normals and just play my best as I would anyway. Having this attitude has made me kind of disregard the number scoring that gets attached, and just focus on playing. But everyone has different management skills for these things, I thought I'd just offer mine as suggestion :).
Gerbster (EUW)
: I'd like to play SR again but I can't be dealing with all the negativity it brings. It seems like everyone expects everyone else to play perfect, when in actual fact even pro's can make mistakes. Your'e either trolling/noob/insert various swear word, low life scum/etc... It's a real shame as this is a great game but the more vocal players tend to voice their "opinions" quite voraciously even though thoughts aren't facts! - I'm aware that certain people just want to "run it down" but until RIOT applies more attention to this we will just end up "banging our heads against walls". The game has definitely changed for me since the beginning and I don't just mean in patch sense, it used to be a lot more "game focused" instead of "$ focused". Now I want to get something straight here, business need to make money in order to run(1), but in the last few years in seems the game focus has fallen by the wayside. (1) I feel it's important to say that I've bought a fair amount of RP over the years I've played and I don't regret it, I don't play SR anymore but love ARAM.
>I'd like to play SR again but I can't be dealing with all the negativity it brings. It seems like everyone expects everyone else to play perfect, when in actual fact even pro's can make mistakes. Your'e either trolling/noob/insert various swear word, low life scum/etc... I feel it becomes a bit more hyper-critical, definitely. It's a matter of learning to tune those people out and just making sure you played your best. As long as you did that, nothing else really matters. >(1) I feel it's important to say that I've bought a fair amount of RP over the years I've played and I don't regret it, I don't play SR anymore but love ARAM. Money doesn't change too much - I've spent an obscene amount on this game (not too far off my 600th skin actually), but I've had fun doing it, so that's all that matters to me. If your fun is in ARAM, then that's also fantastic :) Maybe we can play one together one day.
Legend NL (EUW)
: NERF OR REMOVE THIS STUPID YUUMI CHAMP TY RIOT
What is {{item:3123}} ? This item is so undervalued and it is quite irritating when ADC's don't rush this item into Yuumi, or Soraka for that matter. It literally cripples them in lane.
WORLDBraker (EUNE)
: Im done with this shit game
Player behaviour is assessed individually - just because someone else is breaking the rules doesn't mean you can to. Your logs are also heavily edited - you've skipped Game 1 logs entirely - without unedited logs, your story is unreliable and you won't get much input other than that really.
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=fRJNgaz3,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-09-19T11:31:02.632+0000) > > It sucks and the system definitely needs improvement - I've experienced it at a high volume as well the last few days (did receive IFS notifications a couple of times which was nice though). > > Just walk into the mentality that a ranked game is the same as a normal. Because at the end of the day, it is - the only difference is there's a score attached to one. > When you start adapting that mentality and just playing your best, I found that I got phased by this a lot less. to me its what is acualy ruining the game. people playing rankeds casualy as if it was a normal game " oh i pick gp who cares"
> [{quoted}](name=XtraThic ,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=fRJNgaz3,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2019-09-19T11:38:00.799+0000) > > to me its what is acualy ruining the game. people playing rankeds casualy as if it was a normal game " oh i pick gp who cares" Different thing all together. Each game should be treated as "I want to win". That's it. Normal or ranked does not change this. People assuming they can do stupid things because it's "normals" without coordinating with their team mates will yield the same reaction from people playing normals as it does ranked really. That's a problem with the players interpretation of Normals as opposed to what I was suggesting.
Kraungard (EUNE)
: Don't you love it when people run it down and go unpunished?
It sucks and the system definitely needs improvement - I've experienced it at a high volume as well the last few days (did receive IFS notifications a couple of times which was nice though). >Honestly I don't see a purpose of playing Ranked anymore if these people roam around ruining games. I guess I'm better off with Normals then if I have to play with them. Just walk into the mentality that a ranked game is the same as a normal. Because at the end of the day, it is - the only difference is there's a score attached to one. When you start adapting that mentality and just playing your best, I found that I got phased by this a lot less.
Not Yasuo (EUW)
: I get banned unjustly :( thanks riot
Quick glance at your match history and your story doesn't match the death timers, nor explain how if you're emulating their behaviour you _**somehow**_ ended up with the _**most deaths**_ .
: Is that an acknowledgement of the fact that _deleted_ posts can be seen by any Emissary? Or mods only?
That's starting to progress to areas I can't discuss.
: Oh, I can give you full context, because I am that other guy. I already removed the topic in question, but basically it was a gameplay suggestion in "Creations & Concepts", concerning supp items' mechanics. I suggested to change them and added a poll to see what other people think of this. Very soon I get a comment that you can see on the screenshot provided by TS. Ten minutes later after I run out of ideas of what could I answer to that 'stop having ideas' message, I just hit 'report' and choose 'offensive' checkbox. It seems, the message have been removed after all. And several hours later I killed the topic, because most people said me my suggestion was bad. That's all the context you can get.
For reference, I can still find the data when I'm in front of my computer with the tools to do so ;).
Forte (EUNE)
: > I don't know the full context of the thread to be honest, but personally I agree that this was maybe a bit OTT. But I also don't have your history handy either. There's a decent amount of contributing factors that go into these decisions, not just "this comment has a bad word or is mean". It didn't look like the one that took down that comment made his decision based any other factors. Mostly because there weren't any, just that one word. And it was more than enough for them. Either it was lazy work or just being oversensitive but who am I to judge. > But it's also to hone in on having _**debates**_ rather than arguments - argumentative indicates that the situation has deteriorated at that point. I completely agree, but the thing is that, I didn't argue with the guy. I actually told him that his idea was brilliant, but then I just added some spice to my comment (aka sarcasm). http://prntscr.com/p7qo2y
>It didn't look like the one that took down that comment made his decision based any other factors. Mostly because there weren't any, just that one word. And it was more than enough for them. There's a lot of things that we can check out here that you can't see or may not be aware of - not defending the action, I can't view any of that from my office computer (I'm totally working right now lul), just more a note to know that it's not a case of "BAD COMMENT BAD *deletes* ". >I actually told him that his idea was brilliant, but then I just added some spice to my comment (aka sarcasm). As mentioned, my _**personal **_ stance is that I don't really see too much issue with the comment - I'm all for sarcasm, you should ask the other volunteers what it's like to be with me on voice chat. But yeah, if you feel you run into another situation where you've been unfairly modded, just contact us on Discord or in the client and we can check over it :).
Forte (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=YQF8MFNG,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-16T18:36:01.931+0000) > > It's worth noting that different mods have different ways of looking at actions - we're not all necessarily on the same wave length because we all have different views on where to set the bar. > > That being said, if you want to dispute a moderation action, always welcome to reach out to us on discord or through the client - Happy to discuss these things and review when prompted. Nah. I'm not gonna create a witch hunt over something as insignificant as this. I agree all people have different points of views, but this is just being oversensitive to something random for no reason. I didn't flame anybody, simply stated what should be the obvious, but I guess my choice of words gave the other party the ''upper hand''. Rendering the entire text as ''offensive'' over one word that wasn't used as the mod describes. ''Don't respond in an argumentative manner'' ....this is how arguments work...you argue.. that's why it's called an argument. But the thing is, I didn't respond as they say in their text ''in an argumentative'' manner, I responded in a sarcastic manner.
>Nah. I'm not gonna create a witch hunt over something as insignificant as this. There's no witch hunts involved. If someone wants to dispute a moderation action, it just ends up in a discussion and review. No one gets into trouble, so there's not really anything to worry about there. If anything, these are actually helpful (when legitimate). There is no set bar for these things with how "mean is mean" and how "we're being oversensitive". These end up fostering discussions where we can kind of realign a bit better. >I agree all people have different points of views, but this is just being oversensitive to something random for no reason. I didn't flame anybody, simply stated what should be the obvious, but I guess my choice of words gave the other party the ''upper hand''. Rendering the entire text as ''offensive'' over one word that wasn't used as the mod describes. I don't know the full context of the thread to be honest, but personally I agree that this was maybe a bit OTT. But I also don't have your history handy either. There's a decent amount of contributing factors that go into these decisions, not just "this comment has a bad word or is mean". >''Don't respond in an argumentative manner'' ....this is how arguments work...you argue.. that's why it's called an argument. But the thing is, I didn't respond as they say in their text ''in an argumentative'' manner, I responded in a sarcastic manner. Yeah this is more to clarify on the point of maliciously worded posts, like the above that I answered to attempt to foster discussion. But it's also to hone in on having _**debates**_ rather than arguments - argumentative indicates that the situation has deteriorated at that point.
Pxerkza (EUNE)
: the moderation of the boards both EU and NA is an absolute joke Being supportive of people that shit on the game and shitting on the people defending the game is how the boards work i've even seen mods themselves shit on the game ie the boards are an absolute joke both moderation side and user side filled with intollerable assholes that get protected by mods because they are "not disrespecting people" i honestly despise half of the rules of these boards. they serve nothing but to propogate toxicity and silence discussions on the basis of "disrespectful" if you even spend 2 words out of 10 paragraphs saying how somebody is being a waste of oxygen The NA mods are a tad more lenient in general but i still feel that ranting especially in the form it is currently is nothing but a stage 4 brain cancer for these boards and little by little people will stop visiting this place and you will have your best dead league boards ever For a 200m monthly player base having 500 people that visit the boards should speak for itself but i guess not
Honestly, feedback is important. Probably worded a bit more nicely, but it is. One thing to mention is we're not all "delete and ban" bots - personally, and I know a few others, actually prefer to edit posts rather than delete or moderate them - I don't like deleting content provided is contributing to the discussion. >For a 200m monthly player base having 500 people that visit the boards should speak for itself but i guess not Open to suggestions to grow this. One thing I miss about the OCE player base and boards back when I lived and played there was the fact that we were a small server, but a lot of us were on the boards, and community meet ups and events were common. I'd love to get back to this, so seriously, any suggestions and (constructive) criticism is good, and we do take on board. But don't word it like this post. This is just unnecessarily malicious.
Forte (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Pxerkza,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=YQF8MFNG,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-16T14:21:26.268+0000) > > the moderation of the boards both EU and NA is an absolute joke > > Being supportive of people that shit on the game and shitting on the people defending the game is how the boards work > i've even seen mods themselves shit on the game > > ie the boards are an absolute joke > both moderation side and user side > > filled with intollerable assholes that get protected by mods because they are "not disrespecting people" > > i honestly despise half of the rules of these boards. they serve nothing but to propogate toxicity and silence discussions on the basis of "disrespectful" if you even spend 2 words out of 10 paragraphs saying how somebody is being a waste of oxygen Yeah being oversensitive to basic stuff is a thing nowadays. There is a huge gap between saying a word that someone might not like and actually being offensive. But that's just how people are, always playing the victim.
It's worth noting that different mods have different ways of looking at actions - we're not all necessarily on the same wave length because we all have different views on where to set the bar. That being said, if you want to dispute a moderation action, always welcome to reach out to us on discord or through the client - Happy to discuss these things and review when prompted.
: this is exactly what is wrong with this community. READ. When did I say it was not FLAME. I asked if this was PERMA ban worthy, which it really isn't. It was flaming, however i never made any racial remarks, inted, or any other sorts of offensive language. Even streamers tell people to uninstall or do other sorts of things but do they get perma baned? NO.
Perma bans are based on patterns of behaviour as well as content itself. Would this alone be perma ban worthy? No. Would it be if you've already received other punishments for toxicity and continue to display it? Yes.
Red Erica (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ZpVFGGFq,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-09-15T13:10:24.628+0000) > > As I Questionable I pointed out, both do get punished, one is significantly easier to detect, and as a result is seen more frequently. > > For intentional feeding, it requires a computer to determine the intent of the person behind the screen - that's not really an easy task. Setting a standard pre-requisite of or whatever doesn't really work too much either, because then you'd have newer players, inexperienced players or players having a bad game having the possibility of triggering something compeltely by accident. > > Where as with toxicity and verbal abuse, the evidence is right there. You said it. It's in writing. There's no disputing the intent because it's directly laid out infront of you. > > So it's a matter of "System has to figure out patterns and determine thought processes of person behind computer" to "person clearly said something bad, I have it in writing" as to why you see toxicity bans more frequently. > > Inters get punished to. > > Not saying the system is perfect, it can definitely use improvement, but this whole "They prioritise toxicity over inting" is nonsense - again, one is an easily detectable issue, the other isn't always necessarily. Yes, you should change the wording to just feeding. You can just implement your 0,5 deaths per minute standard (or whatever algorithm you come up with) above platinum for example. There are already elo specific things in place like: - Decay in diamond and above - Promo Helper: Failed promotions lower than Gold 1 grant a free win for the next time the player enters promotion. This does not apply in the case of forfeited series. - Promotion skipping up to Platinum 1 Well by saying toxicity is easier to detect you are admitting yourself that they prioritize it over inting and such. For technical reasons sure. However those are, to a large degree, just an excuse to make more money, both of us know that.
> Well by saying toxicity is easier to detect you are admitting yourself that they prioritize it over inting and such. System doesn't stop it's checks on griefing to do toxicity checks. Both run simultaneously. There's no prioritising. One is just easier to detect and punish. That's not prioritising. >However those are, to a large degree, just an excuse to make more money, both of us know that. Not really. Toxicity and griefing is the main contributing factor to players leaving most games like League. Leaving it to run rampant actually costs money so to a degree yes. But only because then the player is literally causing problems. Banning the player is also not proven logically to increase revenue - think about this logically as you'll likely have two scenarios: 1. Banned player won't come back. 2. Banned player makes new account but now wont invest money knowing they may get banned again. Neither option is particularly profitable.
GLurch (EUW)
: how dare you snipe me
My glorious return requires glorious sniping. {{sticker:draven-pose}}
: a boards bug?
You're not authorised to know that. Jokes aside, I get this rarely, I think it's just a browser issue and requires a relog, typically fixes it for me - this is using chrome, I've no idea if it's replicated within other browsers. Maybe one of the wrenchmen has better insight and will see this though {{sticker:sg-ezreal}}
: Hey, i'm that friend who got banned. I got this reply by a rioter. He even said himself that the automatic bot is flawed. Anyway, heres the screenshot of that part he said it. https://prnt.sc/p6deg8
It's interesting you blacked out the text after that. I'd imagine it indicates something along the lines of a pattern of behaviour rather than the actual words said?
: I was the one helping him write his tickets and saw their reply legit two people said it xD I think one got in trouble though because after he replied to that person he suddenly got switched to another support team member
Tickets quite often bounce between support staff so that wouldn't be the case. I get mine answered by multiple people frequently. Player support/Riot do lift bans occasionally when they're unjustified - I've seen it on multiple occasions. It's just quite rare that it's unjustified (not implying anything within the op's situation).
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ThbAtjHV,comment-id=00040001000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-15T12:59:11.935+0000) > > I don't understand what context was missed in the provided screenshot that would make saying that in general, let alone with another person outside your friend group is seeing it too, where this would be acceptable. > > IFS can detect context to a degree - no where near perfectly of course, but it can. Have you ever seen the film "Rush Hour"? There's a lovely scene that highlights this kind of thing perfectly. A black guy says "what's up my [N word]" to another black guy and everyone is cool with it. But then Jackie Chan says the exact same phrase and the whole place turns crazy. And no, the IFS cannot detect context in any way, which is why I get punished for going afk in a 3v5 match where my 2 remaining teammates refuse to surrender and the enemy team intentionally drags out the match as long as possible. There's a reason why courts still use a human judge and jury to decide who is guilty even though it would be a hell of a lot faster and more efficient to have a computer do it instead.
> And no, the IFS cannot detect context in any way, which is why I get punished for going afk in a 3v5 match where my 2 remaining teammates refuse to surrender and the enemy team intentionally drags out the match as long as possible. No, I'm assuming you got punished because you reacted negatively to your team mates not surrendering (which is not breaking the rules). Edit: >Have you ever seen the film "Rush Hour"? There's a lovely scene that highlights this kind of thing perfectly. A black guy says "what's up my [N word]" to another black guy and everyone is cool with it. But then Jackie Chan says the exact same phrase and the whole place turns crazy. Not an accurate comparison, at all. Also multiple slurs used in quick succession. Come on man, don't even try to justify what was said in this screenshot. You can do better than that.
Red Erica (EUW)
: Inting and leaving unpunished
As I Questionable I pointed out, both do get punished, one is significantly easier to detect, and as a result is seen more frequently. For intentional feeding, it requires a computer to determine the intent of the person behind the screen - that's not really an easy task. Setting a standard pre-requisite of or whatever doesn't really work too much either, because then you'd have newer players, inexperienced players or players having a bad game having the possibility of triggering something compeltely by accident. Where as with toxicity and verbal abuse, the evidence is right there. You said it. It's in writing. There's no disputing the intent because it's directly laid out infront of you. So it's a matter of "System has to figure out patterns and determine thought processes of person behind computer" to "person clearly said something bad, I have it in writing" as to why you see toxicity bans more frequently. Inters get punished to. Not saying the system is perfect, it can definitely use improvement, but this whole "They prioritise toxicity over inting" is nonsense - again, one is an easily detectable issue, the other isn't always necessarily.
: > [{quoted}](name=Legendsofthedark,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ThbAtjHV,comment-id=000400010000,timestamp=2019-09-15T11:24:49.741+0000) > > Speaking of context, it's not the system that's at fault. You're right, it's not the system's fault. It's Riot's fault for implementing such a system.
I don't understand what context was missed in the provided screenshot that would make saying that in general, let alone with another person outside your friend group is seeing it too, where this would be acceptable. IFS can detect context to a degree - no where near perfectly of course, but it can.
: Suspensions for chat.
I really don't understand the thought process behind "These people are ruining the game. I'm going to do exactly what I hate other people doing. That will show them!". What do you hope to achieve with this? Legitimate question.
: Riot Employee replies on boards.
This thread is probably _why _ they don't post as often. People seem to hold the expectation that if they reply to one thread, they have to reply to them all. So they just pop up occasionally instead *shrug*
CJXander (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=6iYy6Bib,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-28T10:29:49.589+0000) > > A little toxic? > Electronic jihad: I ll decapitate you > > How is this acceptable at all? I'm surprised you only got a chat restriction. You're essentially sending death threats, and making sexual assault jokes in other bits of your logs (seriously, that's not a joke. Don't use it as one). > > There's a difference between slipping up every once in a while, and _ essentially threatenting someone and making wildly inappropriate comments._ > > The system already allows for people with good records to slip up occasionally without punishment - god knows I've had a few games in my time where I've said some not so fantastic things - we all do. > However the level of toxicity here is way past that acceptable level. > > I'd say your good record is the only reason this wasn't harsher tbh. Am i right? How about taking this case for a manual review, pretty sure death threats fall under ZTOL, this guy needs a permanent ban, not a chat restriction. Make good use of your connections and do something to benefit this game.
>Make good use of your connections and do something to benefit this game. Doesn't work like that, unfortunately.
: For an old player, it isn't a big difference; but for a new player it is a big difference. If I lose my promos/a game I lose promotion chance/LP and an unranked player doesn't actually lose LP. So who will take it more seriously? The difference between unranked and ranked players is Experience. If player A is ranked with 10-20 games and matched with an unranked player, that isn't big difference; but if player A is ranked with 50+ games and matched with unranked player, there is a difference in experience. This grows bigger, especially if the unranked player is a new player.
>an unranked player doesn't actually lose LP. Yes and no. LP is tied with MMR. Whilst they don't have an LP metric to be graded on, their MMR CAN be and is. LP gains reflect your MMR - if you're receiving higher LP gains, it means you're performing better than where you are, and the system is trying to catch up with your MMR to place you correctly. Same in reverse. Literally the only difference is that they don't have a rank or LP metric. Their MMR metric, which LP is based off, is measured exactly the same (albeit it can be a little wonky as it figures out where people need to be, but they still face the same repurcussions from a loss - actually they lose more if they lose a fair amount of games early on I believe).
: So if cyber bullying is constantly happening in their own game and isn't prevented due to system cutting so much slack , if someone god forbids commits suicide due to this, Riot isn't liable anyhow? Won't take any actions? With this system "toxic one can shame you publicly, but won't get shamed back" is flawed on so many areas. Nobody that enters the game has any safety when it comes to toxic people. For example, Riot is ALLOWING a message to be sent in chat even if it contains swear words, racism etc. Instead of not allowing it to be sent and keep the chat clean so people don't have to mute each other or get frustrated from it, they give this person a 'freedom of speech' . Other specific games won't allow you to sent these kind of messages from the start or would modify them so there aren't any swear words and if it does have, it would completely change the sentence. With all this said, Riot purposely commits to 'oh i told them not to in the rules so i'm not viable' and doesn't take any actions regarding this.
>So if cyber bullying is constantly happening in their own game and isn't prevented due to system cutting so much slack The system does work, however expecting 100% accuracy is incredibly unrealistic. Could it be improved? Sure, it definitely has areas that needs work, however it does catch a lot of the things that are said. Riot are actively trying to reduce the amount of toxicity in games, behavioural or verbal. There is zero financial or business gain for them not to do so - toxicity and trolls is typically the biggest cause of player loss. > if someone god forbids commits suicide due to this, Riot isn't liable anyhow? Won't take any actions? They're not. There's been multiple legal cases with Facebook and other messaging platforms where precedent has been set. They offer the tools to stop these things, and actively try to mitigate it, but with millions of players, again expecting a 100% accuracy rate is just not reasonable. That doesn't mean I want to belittle the impact of toxicity on real players. It's a serious issue and can have adverse effects on mental health. And yes, Riot and us, the players, should be doing everything we can to mitigate it. >For example, Riot is ALLOWING a message to be sent in chat even if it contains swear words, racism etc. Instead of not allowing it to be sent and keep the chat clean so people don't have to mute each other or get frustrated from it, they give this person a 'freedom of speech' . Because you can have games of 5 v 5's that are pre-arranged, or teams of 5 that are all friends, who can realistically say whatever they want to eachother (provided they don't report eachother) - I mean, it's morally wrong with discriminatory subjects and jabs, I agree no one should spurt a lot of the vitriol that happens to be, but if they're keeping it within their private friend group, then they're not breaking the rules. > Riot purposely commits to 'oh i told them not to in the rules so i'm not viable' and doesn't take any actions regarding this. Again, they ban accounts all the time. Spend a week on the boards. I'm replying to those posts daily. There is zero sense for them not to combat it for the aforementioned reasons. But you can't expect them to be legally responsible for all the millions of players that play. That's like holding facebook legally responsible for any messages sent regarding illegal activities between users. It just doesn't make sense.
: Apologize
It happens sometimes - where things out of our control can cause us to AFK. I'm sure your teammates appreciate the apology, but don't beat yourself up over it :).
: While I agree that it is bad to generalize unranked= bad players, can't agree that giving only one team an unranked player is fair. I am always confused how can they have same mmr as someone from G4 or S1 or S2, with just few games played; this is more frustrating especially when they come in promos and their lane is lost within first 5 mins. They actually try to do something for team, but with less experience and not enough micro+macro, they just run down to 0/3/0 or so in first 10 mins. There should be an option for players to have some sort of prerequisites to be filled for their team mates if the matchmaking is going to be unfair and many don't really need their game within 5-10 seconds of queueing.
> I am always confused how can they have same mmr as someone from G4 or S1 or S2, with just few games played; Because it's not accurate until they're in the latter half of their placements. That's why you can gain or lose insane amonts of "lp", and your rank can change pretty drastically within the 10 games. >can't agree that giving only one team an unranked player is fair. Why? The only difference between them and someone that is ranked, is that the ranked people have already played their 10 games. That's it.
Huntér (EUNE)
: No it wouldnt be because both accounts are mine, I created them and Riot gives you no limit for accounts you can create. Also my friend plays on his account not on one of mines.
If they're on their own account it's fine.
Huntér (EUNE)
: Playing duo with my friend.
>So if I have 2 accs, both are mine created by me It would be considered account sharing, as both accounts are yours. Account sharing is a bannable offence, and I wouldn't recommend it for security reasons either.
: So cyber bullying, wishing death and racism isn't against the rules but this is?
>So cyber bullying, wishing death and racism isn't against the rules Pretty sure they get banned regularly, just spend a day here on the boards to see the countless "I was banned" . And technically that is illegal, but Riot isn't liable for their behaviour, so it's not something that faces legal ramifications on their side. I suppose you could pursue someone for Cyber bullying laws outside of it if you really wanted to, but again, Riot wouldn't be the liable party in this case - the person who flamed you would be. Riot publically outing someone, on the other hand, by their own actions and saying "this person was banned" would be a breach of privacy laws, and they would be liable for it as it's their actions.
: People often don't ask for much except to get a notification that this specific person is punished for his doings. Not even for that huh?
>except to get a notification that this _**specific person**_ is punished for his doings Yep, it still violates privacy laws. It's why IFS notifications are deliberately vague. The struggle with policing and internet culture is actually really fascinating, especially with GDPR making it's apearrance and the such.
xStyrosx (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=2fjIMMTK,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-28T10:48:40.421+0000) > > I mean, you've set the expectation now. If I don't log in on 26/6/2133 and see a post from you, I'm going to be quite disappointed. > > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} > > > (jokes aside, it's just to do with the way the boards bans work). I don't think you can stay alive more than 100 years and me too
> [{quoted}](name=xStyrosx,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=2fjIMMTK,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-28T10:52:58.867+0000) > > I don't think you can stay alive more than 100 years and me too Not with that attitude.
xStyrosx (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=2fjIMMTK,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-28T10:43:19.758+0000) > > I'll look forward to your first post in 2133. its possible only if someone already creating cryocamera
I mean, you've set the expectation now. If I don't log in on 26/6/2133 and see a post from you, I'm going to be quite disappointed. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} (jokes aside, it's just to do with the way the boards bans work).
: why i need to play all the %%%%ing time with unranked player when i get promoted to silver 2?
Unranked doesn't necessarily mean they're bad. It just means they haven't played their placements. This automatic assumption that someone that's un ranked is immediately bad is so weird. _**We literally ALL start off unranked. **_ Every season. Amazing. At Silver elo, you're also hovering around the average to slightly under average mark. Players who are doing their placements will likely wade their way through here as they move up or down the ladder to their appropriate rank.
xStyrosx (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=2fjIMMTK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-28T10:39:16.405+0000) > > Riot don't handle bans. The Volunteer team do. If you want to discuss your ban, you can reach out to us on the EU boards discord. > > If it was a thread that was similar to many others (such as the recent spam of TFT threads), then yes, especially any with questions where a Rioter has responded, we are trying to consolidate them within one space, to avoid a page of essentially all the same threads. > > Unfortunately I can't really check your history when I'm on my mobile :(. no no , i don't need to discuss ban, its just pretty funny when ingame you can get perma ban and on boards you get 2133. Riot team really think this game can stay alive until 2133 ? {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
I'll look forward to your first post in 2133.
xStyrosx (EUNE)
: RITO WE FINALLY DID IT
Riot don't handle boards bans. The Volunteer team do. If you want to discuss your ban, you can reach out to us on the EU boards discord. >PS what a clown deleted my message and marked it like " spam " if i post it only 1 time. Racist rito ? If it was a thread that was similar to many others (such as the recent spam of TFT threads), then yes, especially any with questions where a Rioter has responded, we are trying to consolidate them within one space, to avoid a page of essentially all the same threads. Unfortunately I can't really check your history when I'm on my mobile :(. Edit: Typing too fast and forgot words lul
: Creating LoL Miniatures (legal?)
As others have indicated, if it's for personal use it would be fine. If you're looking to sell these and create a profit off the basis of anothers intellectual property, then you would need to set up with an agreement with them to continue, otherwise it could get pretty messy legally.
: Human patience has a limit
>I admit that I was a little bit toxic A little toxic? >Electronic jihad: I will murder u till u die Electronic jihad: I ll decapitate you How is this acceptable at all? I'm surprised you only got a chat restriction. You're essentially sending death threats, and making sexual assault jokes in other bits of your logs (seriously, that's not a joke. Don't use it as one). >but how can you expect a person to stay calm after getting grief every game? There's a difference between slipping up every once in a while, and _ essentially threatening someone and making wildly inappropriate comments._ The system already allows for people with good records to slip up occasionally without punishment - god knows I've had a few games in my time where I've said some not so fantastic things - we all do. However the level of toxicity here is way past that acceptable level. I'd say your good record is the only reason this wasn't harsher tbh.
: Bot Lane Meta all over again.
>When I'm playing mid, and I'm farming, the moment I hear from bot lane "an ally has been slain", followed by "enemy double kill", I already know that from that moment, the game is already over, and there is nothing you can do to return. Roam and assist. You can roam early as well, to help them get a lead (pre 6) if it is something you're running into commonly. Especially if you have a lead - it's good to use this elsewhere as well, rather than just stomping the same person in your lane over and over.
ShadWooo (EUNE)
: Yes it is happening, I just did that twice in normal game (not trolled but was not playing, doing jungle or just afking) because in this season game IS decided in champ select almost everytime. I can count even games in this season on fingers of my hand and I played hundreds of them. Games are extremely onesided and snowbally. And most of the time there is no way to comeback especially if you don't have the right champions. Level advantage was never so powerful before runes reforged. Now with each rune scaling with level, even items scaling with level, summoner spells scaling with level player with right champion can 1vs5 teamfight (if his team goes in first and baits out some cooldowns). Good luck getting single cs after you died to enemy gank in toplane while you were shoved under tower and you didn't have tp to go back. Good luck killing fed tank or bruiser if you play mage and you lost your lane. The game is so incredibly one sided that this kind of player behavior is to be expected as the state of the game simply encourages it. So I don't blame players, I blame balance team for this mess.
>Yes it is happening, I just did that twice in normal game (not trolled but was not playing, doing jungle or just afking) because in this season game IS decided in champ select almost everytime. No it's not. I've seen awful team comps beat really good ones frequently. It's about your objective control and mastery of the champion. Of course it's going to be "decided" _**if you walk into the game deciding for yourself **_ that it's already lost, though.
Danitao (EUW)
: Yes, in my case I didn't know the follow up was a permabann after the 14 days warning. I know claiming not knowing it was the last chance,it's not a reason. The thing is I might be greedy to try change the whole system only because something happened to me, but with all honesty if someone can prove they have changed and improved and can keep on with the new improved mentality, what would be the big problem of giving them final chance? You all pointed facts which I understand, weres the heavyness of the perma bann if it can be removed, the heavyness I l Is in logging on seeing you permabanned ( my hearth stopped)and understanding you messed up hard u really just shot yourself in the foot there. After that if there's a way to get it back I can only talk for myself I would do my absolute hardest to get it back and sometimes it only requires a bit o faith and lot improvement ;)
>The thing is I might be greedy to try change the whole system only because something happened to me, but with all honesty if someone can prove they have changed and improved and can keep on with the new improved mentality, what would be the big problem of giving them final chance? It's not greedy. There's always room to challenge things (if done correctly of course), provided we all accept the fact that it may not necessarily slide in our favour. Side note: I'm glad your behaviour has improved though, if anything this back and forth indicates that you've become incredibly reasonable. Whilst that may not have been the case in the past, I feel that is worth highlighting here.
: Oh I see, not bad. And yeah i meant on time. You can stop playing games because you had enought of getting warned (like me lol) but you mean that if you get warned once in 100 games it's over. 100 games is like average 30-35 hours gameplay unless you stopped completely with the bad humour or you get banned because of 1 or 2 bad games in the time between you restart playing and the average 30 hours ending. But anyone that is tilted easely will have to mute everyone each game what makes the system imperfect but well rules are rules
>but you mean that if you get warned once in 100 games it's over. 100 games is like average 30-35 hours gameplay unless you stopped completely with the bad humour or you get banned because of 1 or 2 bad games in the time between you restart playing and the average 30 hours ending. I honestly don't know how many games are required. I pulled the number 100 out of thin air as an example. Riot are deliberately vague here as to avoid people gaming the system. >But anyone that is tilted easely will have to mute everyone each game what makes the system imperfect but well rules are rules And they'll progress slower. Again, positive behaviour will speed up the process, neutral (such as muting and not talking at all) will progress it slowly, and negative behaviour... well yeah.
n1lce (EUNE)
: You are right but I got banned again for the same reason but that time we were all friends and they were saying to and we were having fun and I got banned for 2 weeks.
Your behaviour won't be reviewed if no one reports you. So you did something in that game that caused someone to do so, possibily a comment in all chat. Or one of your friends reported you.
: You're right, only sad thing is that Riot's warning system doesn't decrease on time. If you had 2 warnings 1 year ago and the third is yesterday as exemple. It's over for you but that no one knows it and one tilted game can end you hahaha
>only sad thing is that Riot's warning system doesn't decrease on time. It does decrease, however _**the metric is not measured on time elapsed.**_ It's measured on games played, and your behaviour within them. If you played 100 games over a year, or 100 games in a month, with the exact same behaviour in both, you'd have equal progress to resetting it. It's all about your behaviour within those games that affect it. Positive behaviour will push it faster. Nuetral will progress, albeit slowly. Negative will regress, or result in further punishments.
: It also seems that someone reported the other that game. Since the bot doesn't check games unless there is a report.
>It also seems that someone reported the other that game. Since the bot doesn't check games unless there is a report. That would be correct. Sometimes when people are playing with groups of friends in 3's and 4's, they forget that there's a couple of others tagging along for the ride, and can be, whilst completely normal to them, inappropriate for the other parties involved. That's why the whole "I was with friends" thing doesn't fly. Because there was somewhere there that wasn't a friend, and was obviously pushed enough to utilize the report feature.
n1lce (EUNE)
: no 1 player reported me the ather 3 are my friends
And obviously you've said something that has upset them and is against the community guidelines, otherwise we wouldn't be here. All of this is irrelevant without your unedited chat logs.
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