RayleighTT (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=HGebZGJF,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2020-01-19T12:55:29.403+0000) > > Until there is such a situation that a Riot employee is sitting behind you forcing you to be toxic, toxicity is _**always**_ the players fault. > > It's the players conscious decision to be toxic. Toxicity is a problem created by players. That's the bottom line. You seems to say like , we are guilty for getting all the time , players who are toxic who troll/grief , who play extremly bad and are totally accepted into the game ,even if them performance is extremly close to hundreds of mistakes that shouldn't be in someone ranked gameplay performance ... , well and not everyone is perfect ,but there are players who don't deserve ranked acces due to them lacks of experience . Now let's move on the other part ... , if you realise that autofill is a riot system , and everyone is toxic when getting support assigned and he doesn't want , if you stay to add the fact they tend to be toxic , to troll/grief and leave you die and just walk away from support duty and play all the game mid ,or not even to protect you , then i think there is a first thing which seems to be Riot fault. Now let's add the fact that Riot doesn't aim for cleaver solutions of promoting good gameplay , and that seems to be visibile in this game, not adding the fact that every season you start with so many tiers divisions behind your last season rank , which is a totally waste of time for those who can be good , everyone gets same starting season division , if someone finish plat IV , then everyone from plat IV will start from silver 2 or idk what rank they start ... and progress according to those 9 games performance. That been sayd is obvious important if someone troll/grief your provisional games, is much more important when you loss like 40 lp... , when you have 3-4 feeders with negative score and you are on positive score struggling to perform in those conditions to a win ,talking about 2 9 scores -4x times or something close to those performance. In such conditions a provisional game should feel really frustrating , is like instead of winning 2 games progress you loss it and don't get anything... And there is more i could add, everyone who face permanent bans , will not proceed that easy to cut toxicity ,and they may even get more into behaving toxic ,as the fact they lost an account ,while they still face toxicity around for months/years .
>You seems to say like , we are guilty for getting all the time Yes. The player who committs the toxic act is guilty all the time. The same way that I would be if I committed crimes anywhere else. _**You're accountable for your own actions.**_ There aren't any exceptions to this in League really, unless, again, you literally had someone behind you forcing you too, in which case you probably have larger issues, such as security in your property, to worry about. >Now let's move on the other part ... , if you realise that autofill is a riot system , and everyone is toxic when getting support assigned and he doesn't want , if you stay to add the fact they tend to be toxic , to troll/grief and leave you die and just walk away from support duty and play all the game mid ,or not even to protect you , then i think there is a first thing which seems to be Riot fault. You don't get the position you wanted, that does not entitle you to feed or troll. This does not give that person the green light to. This is a decision made by that person to do so. Not Riot. If this person reacts negatively to not getting their way, then A. they're likely to receive a ban soon, and B. they're in for a rude shock when they hit the real world. >Now let's add the fact that Riot doesn't aim for cleaver solutions of promoting good gameplay , and that seems to be visibile in this game, not adding the fact that every season you start with so many tiers divisions behind your last season rank , which is a totally waste of time for those who can be good , everyone gets same starting season division , if someone finish plat IV , then everyone from plat IV will start from silver 2 or idk what rank they start ... and progress according to those 9 games performance This isn't new, nor unique. Part of playing ranked is the climb. You get placed lower, you climb. If you've improved during that climb, you'll climb even higher. There is literally zero reason to decide to feed or be toxic because you got put behind a few ranks. That's only going to contribute to dropping your rank further in most cases, and is incredibly counter productive. But, again, if they behave like that, it's their own conscious decision to do so, albeit a stupid one. >That been sayd is obvious important if someone troll/grief your provisional games, is much more important when you loss like 40 lp... , when you have 3-4 feeders with negative score and you are on positive score struggling to perform in those conditions to a win ,talking about 2 9 scores -4x times or something close to those performance. In such conditions a provisional game should feel really frustrating , is like instead of winning 2 games progress you loss it and don't get anything... And it sucks when this happens. Hell it happened in mine, I got put back in low gold and am currently trying to resolve that. But Player A who is doing this is the one at fault. That's his behaviour. Riot can do their best to mitigate it but it's pretty much never going to not be a thing - no one can actively predict if someone will do that before a game starts. However, joining in on said behaviour is again, a decision made by the next player, and again, incredibly counter productive - it doesn't benefit anyone in any way. >And there is more i could add, everyone who face permanent bans , will not proceed that easy to cut toxicity ,and they may even get more into behaving toxic ,as the fact they lost an account ,while they still face toxicity around for months/years . So the alternative is to ignore it and let it run rampant?
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=HGebZGJF,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2020-01-19T11:35:14.216+0000) > > I don't understand how people's actions are Riot's fault. > > It sucks that this happened, but: > > 1. That's that players fault - it's their actions. > > 2. There is zero possible way for anyone to know in advance that someone is going to AFK or intentionally feed, unless they announce it - in which case reporting it will pick it up pretty quickly. > > To add, if we're saying feeding as in they lost their lane, this is a game where someone has to win, and someone has to lose. That means that's going to happen on your team sometimes - sometimes in streaks as well, however this is an opportunity for you to win your lane and learn to apply your leads so that you can pick up the slack for the ones not doing so well. Everything is Riot fault , they have this system of 5 years , and toxicity haven't been removed , it just burn and brings the things into a much more toxic behaviour and troll/grief , and everything else than a positive result , how the hell is relevant then that permanent bans still exist and nothing good happens from them. People stand to work against this system more and more , and be more smart than the system itself , Riot banning system in 4-5 years made no progress , and seems to struggle to do something ,which honestly show that: How much you would try to control chaos, the chaos will never be under control... , I believe that even if a player stops from flame and grief/troll , still will be some other 300-400 flamers to take toxic actions ... ,and when they will stop from being toxic will do what others done to them ,will troll/grief others because they got hit by this a lot and Riot never care about them. It isn't players fault ,as long as the players don't own the game ,and don't have the power to take decisions.... , neither have power to change things , while Riot owns all the power and don't give anyone the power to speak or to say things should be changed to this game and be applied. I feel like Riot is extremly in high measures guilty of all the community behaviour evolution , because everyone learn to outplay banning system ,which seems to be like Riot can't do anything about. You can still be toxic and still Riot will have 0 possiblity to even detect you ... ,because now you leaved just your system to handle chat toxicity ... ,so there are no anymore cases of manually chat toxicity to analys ,as Riot leaves them system to work blinded and not under surveillance , this meaning that anything can go wrong ,imagine companies who produce cars ,would leave a robot to assemble a car , without to surveillance the process ,and if there would be something wrong in the programming it .. , then that robot or more robots woulded do cars who would be a danger to driving safety or anything else , seems like this AI system , have same impact and may result in some cases where toxicity is there and nothing will be done. If riot heard about karma... , let's say someone do a bad thing , he gets banned permanent , he will return , what are the chances for him if he doesn't succes to control his behaviour to be more toxic, and the after a secondary permament ban to be more and more toxic until he boring ... . And in fact everyone is addicted to this game , so toxicity is addicted to this game . If someone do a bad thing and you answer back with same coin , then nothing good will be happening ,and neither a positive enviroment will be encourage by this ,because toxicity tends to be higher and higher.
>It isn't players fault ,as long as the players don't own the game Until there is such a situation that a Riot employee is sitting behind you forcing you to be toxic, toxicity is _**always**_ the players fault. It's the players conscious decision to be toxic. Toxicity is a problem created by players. That's the bottom line.
: RIOT. Tell me one motherfcking reason that your punishment system is not Shiiit.
I don't understand how people's actions are Riot's fault. It sucks that this happened, but: 1. That's that players fault - it's their actions. 2. There is zero possible way for anyone to know in advance that someone is going to AFK or intentionally feed, unless they announce it - in which case reporting it will pick it up pretty quickly. To add, if we're saying feeding as in they lost their lane, this is a game where someone has to win, and someone has to lose. That means that's going to happen on your team sometimes - sometimes in streaks as well, however this is an opportunity for you to win your lane and learn to apply your leads so that you can pick up the slack for the ones not doing so well.
: Admission of guilt is worth more than proof. If someone admit they do it you do not need proofs. Is very simple.
I'm actually the Queen of England. I admit it, this burden has weighed on me for a very long time.
: Cheater admits it...
Did you utilize the report function, or submit a support ticket? If not I would recommend doing so. >Obviously nothing If you haven't followed up on either of the former, unless the system detects him via the programming, then yeah. Just coming posting to the forums and saying "nothing will happen" doesn't tend to yield much if any result.
Mffn (EUW)
: 44780111 is my ticket number, really appreciate it. :D
Just to add, it's best to keep an eye on your inbox - if PS look into this, they won't share any information with me to protect your privacy, so they'll reach out via ticket. If it's any consolation, I know that that bug was patched this morning and won't happen again in future :x.
NiceFAIL (EUW)
: But with WoW the problem is that those casual changes completelty ruined the experience for more hardcore palyers like I was in WoW. While shorter game times in LoL doesn't ruin the experience. It's just a short game experience. And I stated in a comment above. That I still have 40~45min games around every 10th match. And even thought it's fun to have a match like that every now and then. I am very happy that my average games last for 20-35min. Which is a perfect time for a match in my opinion. Especially in ranked games for example. A 45min ranked match can be very draining actually!
>While shorter game times in LoL doesn't ruin the experience. It's just a short game experience. The longer games resulted in different methods of play though, and also allowed much bigger opportunities for come backs, so it does change it, albeit slightly. >But with WoW the problem is that those casual changes completelty ruined the experience for more hardcore palyers like I was in WoW. Yep, I was in one of OCE's top raiding guilds from BC to MoP - that's when I called it quits because it was just becoming tank and spank too regularly :(. I like complex and challenging things!
: Games are to short, and champions deals to much damage.
I miss the frequent 40-60 minute long games from season 3 and 4 :(. I mean I get why they do it, shorter games is more attractive to a larger client base, less time required means more people can play, but still :(. Kind of makes me think of the "Heroic Dungeons" in World of Warcraft for example - back in the day you had the CC and do smart pulling, but as the player base grew, they made it easier and more accessible so more people could do so.
Mffn (EUW)
: 44780111 is my ticket number, really appreciate it. :D
Perfect, thanks - I'll see if I can get in touch with anyone at PS - again I can't promise anything however - all I can really do in these situations is poke them with a stick and say "Hey, look at this please? :3".
SwayZeee (EUW)
: Friendlist is bugged.
>Instead i had 3 General Groups filled with friends from ages ago (who don't even play anymore and were deleted by me) or total random names from very different regions (EUW, EUNE, OCE, ...) i never heard of. See, this is super interesting - I had this happen as well, I logged in with about 30+ requests from NA and OCE servers - however I did have this account on those servers previously, and they were all people I had added when I was there. I assumed it was only related to accounts that had had server transfers previously though - as the client does "store" info of the servers your account has been on, so to speak. Have you transferred to/from any of those servers? It's likely some hiccups with the migration from the old League ID to the Riot ID sort of thing. That's my best guess until we see a red post anyway.
Mffn (EUW)
: Banned because of Sett
Hey Mffn, Can you provide me with your ticket number? I've seen this bug as well, and it definitely shouldn't have resulted in a ban.... I can't promise anything, but I can poke around and see if I can get someone to look at it.
xStyrosx (EUNE)
: thats why i'm saying, urf is useless mode because if somebody know how to play broken champs its instant lose. That mean no point in playing mode where you lose on pick phase {{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}}
To be fair, you shouldn't really be playing URF with the explicit intent to win all your games. It's going to be unbalanced, and it's a game mode that's put in purely for screwing around - yes there are some champions that are going to be busted (I can't stand Vladimir), but you just use the time to do silly plays and fun things that you would never be able to try in the rift. This is basically what it's for.
: ARAM only player considering to return as a Midlaner on the Rift, looking for main
My advice, even whilst you've said that you are good at picking things up mechanically, would be to stick with the simpler champions with more reliable damage to begin with - Annie would be a good example. Malz sort of falls into this as well with the list you gave too. Two reasons for this: Pretty much all the champions you listed run in the "High Risk, High Reward" category, except maybe Malz. They're champions that rely on getting ahead, and don't offer much if you don't, which it isn't as easy to recover from behind in the rift vs ARAM. The second is because the less you have to focus on your mechanical abilities, the more time you have to pay attention and get into the habits and routines of things like map awareness, warding, rotations etc. Once you have those things under your belt comfortably, as it's something you get almost no exposure to in ARAM, then I'd start looking at the more mechanically adept champions. ;).
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=JIGu6mTu,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-15T20:17:11.289+0000) > > All I've done is ask for a source or anything to back the claim you have. If you can provide that, I'm happy to shift my view. > NO that is not all you have done, you have said: I don't buy this. sorry - without going into too much detail (treading into territory I can't discuss), if they had thought it was a legitimate concern, they would not immediately cut off contact. A selective memory is not good to have. > I volunteer here. I participate when I have time if I have time. I don't work for Riot. I don't "work" for the boards. Just to clear that up. And Im a regular customer here. I try to do my customer things but its really hard when the people who is "supports" and "moderators" trying to harass me all the time and justifies this behavior with: "we deem you toxic" > > I can also actually count the amount of perma bans I've given out on one hand still (and this is over the course of... a year now?) - I exhaust every single avenue before going down that path. Its really important for you to understand that not everyone thinks like you. Not everyone have the same morals and principles as you, we are all rasied and brought up differently. I was brought up with respect, morals and principles... that's why I dont lie about being able to handle the truth as an example <- > > It seems you're much faster to label us tyrants than the other way around. I have not used the word "tryant" once <- I dont label you, you have labaled yourself with the actions you make. If you kick a football, didnt you actaully kick a football? Call things for what they are. If a person kills another person he is a murderer/killer <- Very simple. > > I've actually shot a message across to someone in NA - I havent seen a response as of yet, and I can't even promise they'll discuss it with me - that's up to them. Im not looking for promises and you notive that I sit here and dont say "I dont buy it" and Im not asking for proof nor sources for what you did <- I actually believe you because I dont think I have a reason to not beleive you, even though you did lie about beiing able to handle the truth. I chose to believe you <- Its that simple. > > Part of why I haven't said I had is because now that I said I have, if I run into a situation where they won't share that info with me (which they can do), then I'm now stuck where you've expected something that I had no way of being able to committ to deliver. > Here it is again: Its super important that you understand Im a unique person and you cant read my minds, you have no idea what I expect... and if I share with you my brutal honesty about what I expect from you, I have experience taht "you dotn buy it" <- so no reason for me to tell you what I expect from you, but you are dead wrong about assuming what I expect from you. You can not read my mind and I cant read yours. > ----- > > I've asked for you also to provide screenshots of what happens when you submit support tickets_** so I can troubleshoot that with you.**_ In order to submit a ticket you need to be logged on. As soon as I log on in the support area it logs me out, on all the accounts where they removed my access to the support <- It would be a screenshot of "You have been logged out" <- Its a lot of work for me and it will resuilt in nothing <- > As the reason you've provided doesn't make sense and I don't think it's true - I'm not accusing you of lying, but maybe there is some level of miscommunication in here that both sides are misunderstanding. I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE! GUess what: THat is why Im here! IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE HOW YOU ACT TOWARDS OTHERS! FACTS OF THINGS THAT MAKES 0 SENSE THAT YOUR COLLEGES HAVE DONE: Banning me for promotion of services for making a forum thread about "How can I end a loss-streak?" <- They made the claim I did brag about losing. Riot-support saying its extremly hard to trust me becuase his research of me didnt correlate with what I had said. Fact: He had researched the wrong account <- When Explaining this to him he didnt apologize, he just ran away and the tickets were closed and I was not allowed to talk about it. Permanently banning me for explaining how "zoning" works to a support mid-game. (there is a thread with chat log about it here in these forums) FACT: Riot-Tantram eneted that thread and everything he said was a lie <- WHen confronted about this he ran away. When confroted about it 1 year later he did nothing about it other then trying to trigger a reaction out of me. <- FACT Want me to keep going ? I have so many stories about your colleges doing things that doesnt make sense... or you. That you claim you can handle the truth but when the truth is presented to you "you dont buy it" <- Fact > > But I can't do squat if you're just going to sit there and say "You're out to get me, the world is out to get me, you have to believe me - they did all this! But I don't have anything to back it. But it's the brutal truth and if you don't believe me it's because you can't handle the truth". You are not out to get me, never made that claim. I am making the claim that you are trying to speak for me, heck you done it twice in your post so far. And this is a behavior that is very common among moderators I have noticed. So yes, it doesnt make sense what so ever the way you act towards me. <- I 100% agree with this. Again: I have asked you to doublecheck everything I say with people who have access to these things (because I dont due to being restricted) . Do that , find me lying once <- GOod luck.
>You are not out to get me, never made that claim. I am making the claim that you are trying to speak for me, heck you done it twice in your post so far. I'm sorry: >YOu are much faster to label and life-time ban someone her Is this not a similar comparison to what you're complaining about here? Anyhow, I digress, at this stage I only see this conversation devolving further if it keeps going - you're pretty much just being aggressive for the sake of it at this point. I'll post if I hear anything back though, regarding your NA ban.
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=JIGu6mTu,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-15T19:38:00.902+0000) > > I don't buy this. sorry - without going into too much detail (treading into territory I can't discuss), if they had thought it was a legitimate concern, they would not immediately cut off contact. That's what they did, and you dont "buy this" ? Okey, good to know that a person I never lied to in a place I never lied in and who have 0 reasons to think Im lying due to 0 experience of my lying, thinks Im lying. Remember what I said about being able to handle the truth? <- YOu cant handle the truth and here is your proof of it, you have to live with this, I dont. > > I can if you can provide something to back it. The way you've described the chain of events that lead to this doesn't line up with the info I do have. Well I did and you couldnt, now in fact you are lying to me. I told you the truth, you said you didnt buy it and you have 0 reasons to suspect me of lying to you. <- This means you cant handle the truth. I also asked you to double check this <- You wont do this, again: Because you cant handle the truth. Just becuase you cant handle the truth doesnt mean you have to lie to me about being able to handle the truth <- and this is the reality, you did lie to me. > > I'm open to changing perspective and sides in things - this is how humans grow. > No you re not, you are a riot-related person and you judge someone based on nothing but your own feelings, you made that very clear. You understand that you asking for proof from a person who is extremly restricted? <- I dont think you understand this. And even if I were to present you proof, you wont be able to handle the truth as you made perfectly clear. > But what you're claiming is something that's pretty much unprecedented and doesn't line up with the info I do have - so if you can provide something to back it rather than just saying "I should handle it because its the brutal truth and I don't lie" :/. > Maybe because you dont work over at support-tickets and you never have. YOu work here, in these boards and you have different rules here. YOu are much faster to label and life-time ban someone here. Over at ticket support each and every account gets a new chance, here your colleges have explained that you take previous history in to concideration when dealing with a person... <- This means that you will allways treat me with disrespect becuase that is what you have labeled me as... Hence why you "dont buy it" even if I never lied. You understand Im too old to lie and I dont see any point in lying? RIot-related people obivously do. > Can you provide screenshots (removing all the personal data) of what happens of when you try to submit a support ticket, for example? Yes I can, but there is no use because you cant handle the truth, something you have shown perfectly clear. I have given you basically a guide on how to help me and you refused to follow that guide. You also refused to explain why you didnt follow that guide. <- That's the level of support you are providing me with. Again: I used to work as a support, I know when you are supportive and when you are not trying to help me what so ever.
>Yes I can, but there is no use because you cant handle the truth, something you have shown perfectly clear. All I've done is ask for a source or anything to back the claim you have. If you can provide that, I'm happy to shift my view. >Maybe because you dont work over at support-tickets and you never have. YOu work here, in these boards and you have different rules here. YOu are much faster to label and life-time ban someone here I volunteer here. I participate when I have time if I have time. I don't work for Riot. I don't "work" for the boards. Just to clear that up. I can also actually count the amount of perma bans I've given out on one hand still (and this is over the course of... a year now?) - I exhaust every single avenue before going down that path. It seems you're much faster to label us tyrants than the other way around. >I have given you basically a guide on how to help me and you refused to follow that guide. You also refused to explain why you didnt follow that guide. I've actually shot a message across to someone in NA - I havent seen a response as of yet, and I can't even promise they'll discuss it with me - that's up to them. Part of why I haven't said I had is because now that I said I have, if I run into a situation where they won't share that info with me (which they can do), then I'm now stuck where you've expected something that I had no way of being able to committ to deliver. ----- I've asked for you also to provide screenshots of what happens when you submit support tickets_** so I can troubleshoot that with you.**_ As the reason you've provided doesn't make sense and I don't think it's true - I'm not accusing you of lying, but maybe there is some level of miscommunication in here that both sides are misunderstanding. But I can't do squat if you're just going to sit there and say "You're out to get me, the world is out to get me, you have to believe me - they did all this! But I don't have anything to back it. But it's the brutal truth and if you don't believe me it's because you can't handle the truth".
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=JIGu6mTu,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-15T19:18:35.128+0000) > > Do you have a source or something for this? > > I've been around for a while and this claim is a new one - and knowing some of the PS guys, one that I'm pretty skeptical of. Depends on what you are looking for, Im a regular user and I cant access my own support tickets, and before you think of it.... I used a temporary mail to sign up all my accounts since you permanently banned my first one for trying to explain to my support player what zoning was during a game <- I can be brutal honest with you, can you handle the truth? <- I doubt you can but this account is ruined anyways. I said wrote something along these lines "DO I have to kill myself , be reborn in order to have a clean slate with you and not get unfairly punished?" <- They missunderstood this as me being suicidal and refused to help me and used the excuse "We are not trained to handle suicidal people" . Im a person who actually worked professionally as a support , I know when someone refusing me service for "bs" reasons like these. So they refused to help me with my actual case (that I had been chat restricted) and focused on me saying that line... labeling me as "suicidal" and therefor refusing me service. <- This is the brutal truth, now can you handle it? I doubt you can. And again: I urge you to doublecheck this, I have yet to lie once to you regarding anything.
>They missunderstood this as me being suicidal and refused to help me and used the excuse "We are not trained to handle suicidal people" I don't buy this. sorry - without going into too much detail (treading into territory I can't discuss), if they had thought it was a legitimate concern, they would not immediately cut off contact. >I can be brutal honest with you, can you handle the truth? I can if you can provide something to back it. The way you've described the chain of events that lead to this doesn't line up with the info I do have. I'm open to changing perspective and sides in things - this is how humans grow. But what you're claiming is something that's pretty much unprecedented and doesn't line up with the info I do have - so if you can provide something to back it rather than just saying "I should handle it because its the brutal truth and I don't lie" :/. Can you provide screenshots (removing all the personal data) of what happens of when you try to submit a support ticket, for example?
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=JIGu6mTu,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2020-01-15T19:09:05.172+0000) > > I don't know anyone on the NA team. I think very few of us actually do. And no, I have no special accesses on NA boards - I jump over onto those ones and my account is a normal account, so I don't have any different information at my fingertips than you do regarding NA moderations. > I do, I know them all.... The most resonable (but still far from resonable) is Deep Terror Nami <- Try to reach out to her. Im not asking you for special access. > This is a known bug, you have to log out of your boards profile completely, and log into the support page directly - this should resolve the issue of "instantly" logging you out before having the option to support tickets. > Or, they removed that support account like they threatened they would, just like they done to 3 other of my accounts and this "bug" only happens after an altercation with the support.... very strange, its not a bug mate. Its them removing my access to talk to them becuase they dont want to help me. <- Its as simple as that, go ahead and make a ticket asking them yourself. I have allways given riot the ability to show my logs and my behavior as long as they dont take things out of context (and they do this all the time) > On top of that, as mentioned, there are discord servers where you can reach out - a two second glance yielded this result: > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/qVlculPP-boards-moderation-discord?show=flat&page=5 > I believe I have explained that IM banned in their discord (twice). A moderator did lie about my behavior , I confronted him and he didnt like it.... so they banned me <- So again: Why dont you go over there on their discord, ask to speak with "Deep terror nami" (if she is still a mod) , link her to this thread and BAM! Problem solved(?) > > And the server is still active with moderators and the such currently online. > > Discord, as mentioned ;). > > Edit: Copy pasted the wrong link like a snarky potato. Im banned, as mentioned ;)
> Its them removing my access to talk to them becuase they dont want to help me. Do you have a source or something for this? I've been around for a while and this claim is a new one - and knowing some of the PS guys, one that I'm pretty skeptical of.
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=JIGu6mTu,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2020-01-15T07:33:20.436+0000) > > As others have high-lighted, NA moderation is handled by the NA volunteer team - so no one here is really going to be able to answer why. > That is not true, I have been able to get information from cross boards before and other people have asked me to do x, then why dont you do X and gather the information for me since Im unable to due to being restricted in those areas? <- You are not. > You can try putting in a ticket for support, or see if the NA team has discord servers and alternative methods to reach out to like we do here. Again (because I said this many times before, even in here): Riot have chosen to remove my ability to make tickets, when I try to log in to the support it logs me out straight away, this happen after then missunderstood a problem and refused to see the truth, they rather get rid of me then deal with me because Im a "Hard case" . You ask of me to reach them with alternative methods.... Okey, the last 2 things I can do is: creat an NA account , try to add moderators as friends and ask them that way: <- I have done this with EUW riot-supporters, they removed me instantly and then yelled at me in the tickets. <- Fact The second and I never tried this for obvious reasons.... try to look up who these people are and confrot them IRL asking them what's up <- I bet noone will suggest this. So what other alternative methods are there A Snarky Cyclone?
>That is not true, I have been able to get information from cross boards before and other people have asked me to do x, then why dont you do X and gather the information for me since Im unable to due to being restricted in those areas? <- You are not. I don't know anyone on the NA team. I think very few of us actually do. And no, I have no special accesses on NA boards - I jump over onto those ones and my account is a normal account, so I don't have any different information at my fingertips than you do regarding NA moderations. >when I try to log in to the support it logs me out straight away, this happen after then missunderstood a problem and refused to see the truth, they rather get rid of me then deal with me because Im a "Hard case" . This is a known bug, you have to log out of your boards profile completely, and log into the support page directly - this should resolve the issue of "instantly" logging you out before having the option to support tickets. On top of that, as mentioned, there are discord servers where you can reach out - a two second glance yielded this result: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/qVlculPP-boards-moderation-discord?show=flat And the server is still active with moderators and the such currently online. >So what other alternative methods are there A Snarky Cyclone? Discord, as mentioned ;). Edit: Copy pasted the wrong link like a snarky potato.
: Lets Bring Back The Puns
I came here looking for humour, but it seems my efforts were in {{champion:67}}
: why would you destroy their lawn - thats not cool
So that the grasses are only greener on _**MY**_ side.
: Why life-time ban me from these boards?
As others have high-lighted, NA moderation is handled by the NA volunteer team - so no one here is really going to be able to answer why. You can try putting in a ticket for support, or see if the NA team has discord servers and alternative methods to reach out to like we do here.
: {{champion:2}} CTRL 4 sorry for the stress hahaha
It's no stress *shrug* I have time, and this subject is always interesting for me, as pretty much every time I've poked and prodded enough to ask for an example of something that "can't be said anymore" is really just something discriminatory that used to be overlooked in the past, but you now face consequences for - as it should have been. It's almost never anything constructive or actually useful in any way,
: In your own team or enemy? I only tend to see Dravens feeding in my team.
: Adolf is a name used in German-speaking countries, Scandinavia, the Netherlands and Flanders, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal and in various Central European countries. Adolf is not as popular now than what it once was. Therefore people who are called Adolf nowadays are in a minority group, and as such should be protected from bullying... wouldn't you agree? Or is it because he is most probably indigenous? Madam is a polite and formal form of address for women, often contracted to ma'am. Nothing to do with marital status. Just respect to a female. Like if you were to talk to Lux in real life (might help). When referring to something being "PART OF THE REASON" does not mean " THE REASON". I'm not that stupid to believe that there is any one reason a person could say why Britain leaves, or wants to leave more to the point. "What can't you say now that you could previously?" lots of things it's just a long time ago now and biting the lips has become the norm in certain situations I am not inclined to type about here on "the LoL boards" XD Good day, lets try sitting on the fence a while and keep people from being bullied.
>Adolf is a name used in German-speaking countries, Scandinavia, the Netherlands and Flanders, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal and in various Central European countries. Adolf is not as popular now than what it once was. Therefore people who are called Adolf nowadays are in a minority group, and as such should be protected from bullying... wouldn't you agree? Or is it because he is most probably indigenous? I'm aware, I live in Germany. However there is not active discrimination happening here. It's the same way I can't have "gay" in a summoner name - I'm not being discriminated against here, however allowing access to it is likely to foster more toxic use of it than positive. That's the same principle applied here. Access to the game is still available and the same, it's just use of certain words or names are not agreeable for the aforementioned reason. If we were saying _he wasn't allowed to play LoL at all because his name is Adolf_ , then you would have a grounds for discrimination/bullying here. edit: >Madam is a polite and formal form of address for women, often contracted to ma'am. Nothing to do with marital status. Just respect to a female. Like if you were to talk to Lux in real life (might help). Also aware of what it means and where it stems from, and actually technically Madam and Miss is relative - anyhow, you were saying somewhere it was deemed sexist, I'm having trouble locating a source for this? It's still used frequently without issue as far as I'm aware. >lots of things it's just a long time ago now and biting the lips has become the norm in certain situations I am not inclined to type about here on "the LoL boards" I mean, the only things that are frowned upon nowadays is discriminatory terms or jokes at the expense of a group. And if that's what we're complaining about can't be said anymore, then maybe we need to look at the fact that the "over PC" reaction is 95% of the time just people getting upset that they're now being held accountable when they're being trash towards others.
Shaebadu (EUW)
: Your permabans
Draven - something about this champion just tilts me off the face of the earth.
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=2TdF9P3n,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-14T12:18:13.059+0000) > Same way you don't yell and rage and scream at people if you were playing a saturday morning football/soccer game with friends if someone makes a mistake or isn't playing their best - just because there's a computer screen between you and the other person now doesn't make either of you any less human :(. That's different, because they don't intentionally play against you and then prevent you from leaving the field all while trying to offend you and then after the game the enemy team comes at you and says ez. If one or multiple of your teammates told you before a soccer game they are gonna score own goals, you wouldn't even play the game. In league that's different because you get punished for dodging and then cannot surrender because guess what, they won't let you. It's nice that you can stay cool throughout all of this, other's can't anymore after 90 games. Logging off and coming back again a week later won't change the community either. So it's not solely my mentality if I go through the same experience 90% of the games.
>That's different, because they don't intentionally play against you and then prevent you from leaving the field all while trying to offend you and then after the game the enemy team comes at you and says ez. > >If one or multiple of your teammates told you before a soccer game they are gonna score own goals, you wouldn't even play the game. In league that's different because you get punished for dodging and then cannot surrender because guess what, they won't let you. And the fastest way to fix this from being a thing is to not give into that mentality or give into feeding it. The amount of people that get sucked into the trap of "but they did it and it made me mad so now I'm going to do it too" is mind boggling - especially when the logic at a basic principle drops down to that. Some humans are always going to be garbage (gasp) - by getting upset with them to a level that you devolve to their stance is just getting trash on yourself - it's better to stay clean and just report them, and move on. Personally I like to find the humour in it when these things happen - As much as I hate flaming, I get a good kick out of how devoid of logic it is when I am witnessing it - sometimes you can make light of these situations as well (after you report them of course ;) )
: I wish that one day any of you rioters gets to enjoy the average games we have. and then stay friendly and nice throughout all of them. I challenge any of you, idc who.
Green tag's don't mean Rioters - we're volunteers, we don't work for Riot. >I wish that one day any of you rioters gets to enjoy the average games we have. and then stay friendly and nice throughout all of them. I've been playing since season 2, I play a hefty amount and almost exclusively ranked - so yeah I experience the bad games too. But at the end of the day, that's just what it is. A game. Treating it as such and looking at it in that way typically results in getting less angry or frustrated and resulting in flaming etc. On top of that, contributing to flaming etc. means that you're actually now part of the problem - this is part of why I typically don't respond or just kinda tune it out - otherwise you're now just wasting time responding to it. Same way you don't yell and rage and scream at people if you were playing a saturday morning football/soccer game with friends if someone makes a mistake or isn't playing their best - just because there's a computer screen between you and the other person now doesn't make either of you any less human :(. I've held this mentality and I've never had so much as a restriction - it's not difficult.
: As if a players name of "Adolf" is going to inspire someone to cause harm to others! It's been a funny world the last 20 years or so. They call it Political Correctness or PC. So ridiculous. I remember they deamed ma'am to be sexist, when it is actually a show of high respect. Daft. Not Riots fault though, they have to fit in with country's petty rules wether they like it or not. Hence the UK leaving the EU, it's been part of the reason why we're leaving.
Uhh... Not to drag politics into the LoL boards, but Brexit has nothing to do with "over political correctness". Most of the leave campaign was built on the premise of "independence", which was already pretty much a thing. I digress, I'm not going to get into a Brexit debate here. Can you source the Ma'am case? I'm unable to locate an example outside of the general "Ma'am is for married, miss is for single and that's weird" (which it kinda is that we change titles based on that but you know, whatevs). You'll find the reason it's censored is not for the name itself, but because if it wasn't, the names **_containing_** it are incredibly likely to be anti-sematic or intentionally inflammatory. Stopping people from doing that isn't "over political correctness", it's basically preventing "hey, you're making fun at other peoples expense for no other reason than to be a jerk by including that in your name". The sins of those who would do this unfortunately ruin it for the few fringe cases that might actually be legitimate and not want to do so in an inflammatory way, >It's been a funny world the last 20 years or so. They call it Political Correctness or PC. So ridiculous. What can't you say now that you could previously? I always love asking this question, because typically it boils down to something that is borderline inflammatory, such as "I can't make ____ jokes anymore" or "_____ people are _____ everything!", which is kinda of... well yeah - you're belittling someone based on who they are, which shouldn't have been OK then and is good that it's not now. Outside of these, and changing some terminologies from what were previously slurs to more appropriate words, there's really no extreme limitations on what you can and can't say - it's just you can't do it at the expense of minority groups anymore.
Beolius (EUW)
: Morde is just so broken. He can carry anything no matter how much feed he had.
> Whoever invented this broken mess should get sucked! ( ಠ ͜ʖಠ)
: It is still bs to me, that NA Servers are Stable as shiit and EU Servers are just complete trash over all These years, even tho Riot is Cashing out like hell! I mean, shouldnt they have enough Money to get a Stable EU Server running? It wasnt that hard getting the NA Servers running perfectly right? Well, all the complaining wont do anything anyways so im gonna be out :) See ya!
NA did have it's crashes too, though. I remember more than a few when I was playing/living there. It's not unique to here.
7Crows (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=ETj6EdvQ,discussion-id=xxu9nYls,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-20T11:57:12.450+0000) > > Depends on the severity of the issue, which we just don't know. > > Things take time to fix. Sometimes it's short, sometimes it's a bigger issue. This is what needs to be understood here. > They'll want the servers up as much/ as fast as everyone else does. > > Likely not getting responses in here because a lot of the Rioters that frequent the boards are from Tech roles, which means they're likely working on the issue rather than responding here. I know you're only doing your (volunteer) job here and I appreciate your responses. Thumbs up for you deffo. Meanwhile... {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
Actually, posting in any of these isn't part of my "job" and I'd likely be posting the same responses with-out the green title (if you go far enough back in my post history, it doesn't shift much pre-green and post-green). It just baffles me that people have this weird expectation that issues get fixed immediately. I've worked in tech and I work in operations depts. of various companies right now, which are depts. all about fixing and resolving - so from this side of the fence it's just confusing that the immediate assumption is "Just restart the server and it will be fixed". 1 line of coding in any patch can cause loads of wonky things to happen (remember Irelia's eyes? lul), so taking time to make sure it's resolved correctly rather than micro patching and running into the issue a lot more frequently for shorter periods however... yeah. Or if it's a deeper hardware issue, arranging Data Centre approvals and accessess, diagnostics, part ordering, part replacement etc. These all take time. Especially if the Data Centre has convoluted processes. Edit: Also this whole weird assumption that Riot don't want the servers to come back up or are ignoring it (seems to be the consensus) - it doesn't make sense. Why would that be the case?
: But how come, NA Servers are working JUST FINE while EU Servers are Crashing left and right? Over multiple years? Kinda bs to me tbh!
We as players don't know the issues plaguing the server, it could require a full overhaul maybe at some point, similar to what they did in NA when they relocated the data centre from Portland,OR (at least I remember that being where the original was) to Chicago, IL - infrastructure was updated at that time I believe for NA as well, which is why it may be running into these issues less frequently. However, I'm running off memory and dribs and drabs of information I picked up back when that happened a few years ago, and when I was living in the US so paying more attention to what was happening on NA. I really don't know, I can only form educated guesses off the little tid bits of information that you pick up over time.
Tmenov (EUW)
: Riot kissers
Because things break....? Happens with every service, every game. I'll be called a "kisser" for that, I'm sure, but realistically, getting mad about the servers crashing one in a blue moon (and yes, it doesn't happen super often, but it happens, same with pretty much any online service), doesn't really make sense. Technical limitations and failures are part of every online company, every gaming company etc. At least we don't lose any financials here since the game is free to play :) I remember the weekly/bi-weekly posts on the WoW servers back in the day demanding game time back as compensation. Those were always a blast to read through.
7Crows (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=ETj6EdvQ,discussion-id=xxu9nYls,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-12-20T11:36:13.988+0000) > > Being aware of the problem is the first step to fixing it. > > Sometimes things aren't a matter of "it can be fixed immediately", things take time to be patched, make sure the patch works appropriately, and then shipping to live servers. > > It sucks, yeah, but they're working on it so we just have to be patient. I can be patient for a couple of hours... hell, been patient for 14h now... many others for longer... Tech Support sucks and that's it.
Depends on the severity of the issue, which we just don't know. Things take time to fix. Sometimes it's short, sometimes it's a bigger issue. This is what needs to be understood here. They'll want the servers up as much/ as fast as everyone else does. Likely not getting responses in here because a lot of the Rioters that frequent the boards are from Tech roles, which means they're likely working on the issue rather than responding here.
7Crows (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ratatouka,realm=EUW,application-id=ETj6EdvQ,discussion-id=xxu9nYls,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-20T11:20:41.423+0000) > > to be fair, they said they were aware of the problem. To be fair only means they can read forums
Being aware of the problem is the first step to fixing it. Sometimes things aren't a matter of "it can be fixed immediately", things take time to be patched, make sure the patch works appropriately, and then shipping to live servers. It sucks, yeah, but they're working on it so we just have to be patient.
Elramus (EUW)
: 0 Statements from riot about this bug. Seems like no staff here rn.
Riot don't moderate the boards, the Volunteer team do, so they wouldn't delete it. That being said, the only thing that would warrant it being deleted was the end of your title, which I tweaked for you to avoid this thread being deleted ;)
: No, everything seems to be fine. There's no status message anymore, and I seem to be able to queue up. Did that just change in the few minutes since you posted? --- > the euw servers particularly lackluster and riot are too cheap to upgrade them or what? I doubt it's as easy as downloading a bit more RAM... Servers are a complex issue that neither you nor I should claim to understand. ^^
>Servers are a complex issue that neither you nor I should claim to understand. Needs better hamsters to run in the wheels.
: Ty RIOT.
Why are you continuing to queue for games if you experience this issue "almost all the time"...? Might be better to look for a resolution, such as the patcher or reinstalling the game, or checking your drivers on your graphics card etc.
Hananim (EUW)
: The main point you made was "honor level is mostly based off receiving honors from team mates" which is interesting because it conflicts everything riot and your buddy hans have said which is "honors received only quicken the honor progress by a little". Edit: When the new system came out riot assured everyone that you can level in honor without getting honored at all which directly contrasts your statement.
Then I made an error on that part - I was under a different impression. Surprise, we're human.
Hananim (EUW)
: Funny considering riot and hansiman have stated that honor is based on good behaviour and games played, not on honors recieved. Here we have another example of riot competency. At least sync your stories before posting.
Positive and neutral behaviour can maintain and increase it too. Honors received also impacts. The main point I made is negative behaviour cancels out honor gain. If I can be shown a disco nunu with honor level 5, I'll stand corrected.
: Honor system is also abused... You can lose 35 games in a row by playing disco nunu, while saying "we can win trust me" or "good job guys we can win" and stuff like that. Your honor level still rises because some shitty algoritm finds those positive words and gives you level up in honor level. Of course system I suggested can be abused, but it can be made hard or unrewarding to abuse it. Also it could be punished by losing right to take part in these votings. Also diminishing premades vote worth is one thing that could be done (1/2 vote in premdes).
>while saying "we can win trust me" or "good job guys we can win" and stuff like that. Your honor level still rises because some shitty algoritm finds those positive words and gives you level up in honor level. Honor level is mostly based off positive behaviour, and also impacted by receiving honors from team mates, and is cancelled out by negative behaviour. Edit: Corrected.
: Solution to toxic behaviour.
A system like this would be abused. You could hold people hostage over who gets the vote, or have premades abuse it, or have people rage when they don't get it.
: 1. Bots are not a problem in every online videogame. If a company cares about his community there won't be any bot. 2. 1 massive ban every year is not "wave ban" it's just being careless and lazy. 3. Bot developers probably can fix a bot to work 1 day after Riot patched whatever they patched, waiting 12 months to ban is stupid. 4. Banning in waves prevents botting? Yeah, that's why you encounter a bot in your team probably 95% games vs AI 5. You must be the emissary of jokes because your post was pretty funny.
>Bots are not a problem in every online videogame. If a company cares about his community there won't be any bot. Deifnitely present in multiple, much more noticeable here than other MMO's because of course the interactions are much more reliant on other people, as opposed to ones where other people are just "present". >1 massive ban every year is not "wave ban" it's just being careless and lazy. Bot developers probably can fix a bot to work 1 day after Riot patched whatever they patched, waiting 12 months to ban is stupid. Banning in waves prevents botting? Yeah, that's why you encounter a bot in your team probably 95% games vs AI It's more than once a year, but this is how it works. It does limit the use of programs for botting however. Preventing =/= eliminating - I'm not saying the problem is gone because of this, but it limits the amount of programs that can be used, ergo adding a level of prevention. >You must be the emissary of jokes because your post was pretty funny. Was just explaining how it works, nothing more, nothing less *shrug*
: in low elo it is like that, but once you get past gold you will not be protected anymore since there are a lot of support players in higher elo
I still get protection in Platinum - from low to high in that division (I bounce from 4 to 1 a lot). It's purely based on the queue times and positions available at the time of play, it's not division related.
: Why can't riot display owned skins right by the default skin intead of off the screen?
YES. PLEASE. I hate having to click through 7 or 8 different skins to rotate through the ones I want. It's clunky and sometimes slow and results in the skin you didn't want if it's not fast enough and you happen to be fiddling with rune pages etc :(. +1
: > the amount of bots increase a bit 4 of your teammates being bots after dodging the queue once every day is more than "just a bit".
If you want to hone in on my wording here, by all means. I wasn't intending to downplay the issue, just explaining why it's handled the way that it is.
: Trollers don't get punished, Riot loves toxic behaviour.
Just dropping a note that naming and shaming is against the boards guidelines, so I've removed the names/links in question from the post so as to avoid deleting your thread. It's best to use the in-game function, or submit a support ticket if you want to further follow up on these people.
: Serious BOT problem in co-op
Bot's are pretty much a problem in every online game. With League, they get banned in waves - so sometimes it takes a little bit for them to be removed. The reason for this, is that if they were banned instantly, the developers of this software would be able to figure out what was causing detection each time, and refine it to avoid doing so. Banning in waves prevents this, as with some alotted time racked up, and multiple different programs with multiple varying codes are banned at the same time, then yeah, they can't figure out what caused detection. It does mean that unfortunately between ban waves the amount of bots increase a bit, but there's a reason the bans for these accounts operate in the way that they do. If they didn't do it like this, the problem would actually likely be _**worse**_.
: That's what I did, called them french %%%g0ts and boom, 20seconds after I got banned.
> [{quoted}](name=Kayn you ff yet,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=k5fn2KQe,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-12-16T14:26:43.442+0000) > > That's what I did, called them french %%%g0ts and boom, 20seconds after I got banned. That would be because you used a homophobic slur - something that Riot has a zero tolerance policy on and carries harsher punishments. Any sort of discriminatory slur carries that, whether it be homophobic, racist, sexist, transphobic or whatever else. These words are what the majority of modern society has deemed unacceptable, and really have no place in LoL either. So yeah, use this as an opportunity to remove it from your vocab.
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