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: League is dying...?
> It obviously has less fans now, which is normal for a game that old, but still, it is not dead _~~yet~~_. Yeah but League will die for sure because a tons of players are getting bored of these huge changes over the last seasons and now in s8 adc is not even a good thing (only some play it). I miss the old seasons and the good old days of League. Hope Riot can make a game that would be like a season, for an example they make a game that is "season 4" because then players that have been bored will probably come back to the old seasons where they enjoyed playing league for fun... #Makelolgreatagainwithagamethatislikeaseason
Boulhya36 (EUW)
: No they can't or current league will die because it suck so hard seriously fak season 8/7/6 from the bottom of my genital, anyways they don't have a data from old seasons so it will be hard
> [{quoted}](name=Boulhya36,realm=EUW,application-id=Mpd1UjGe,discussion-id=dgcIR0bA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-15T18:01:14.648+0000) > > No they can't or current league will die because it suck so hard seriously fak season 8/7/6 from the bottom of my genital, anyways they don't have a data from old seasons so it will be hard Yes then if they don´t make it good again with the early season like 3 and 4 then league will die for sure, it just gets worst day by day and now adc is not even a thing...... #RiotRevertLeagueToSeason3Or4
Smerk (EUW)
: No, it's not possible and they woudn't do that either way.
> [{quoted}](name=Smerk,realm=EUW,application-id=Mpd1UjGe,discussion-id=dgcIR0bA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-07-15T18:17:39.097+0000) > > No, it's not possible and they woudn't do that either way. why not possible?
Boulhya36 (EUW)
: No they can't or current league will die because it suck so hard seriously fak season 8/7/6 from the bottom of my genital, anyways they don't have a data from old seasons so it will be hard
I totally agree with you ever since after s4 it has just been so strange metas with Mordekaiser adc in s5 and now in s8 he is back, s6 with not a single good thing and the meta with not even a adc in s8 and Rekkles is stepping down at the moment because adc useless with the funnel stratergy.
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Boulhya36 (EUW)
: why not revert league to season4?
<3<3 Would be the best riot have done since s4
: > Man just look at how they rework almost all the champs, players are starting to get tired of Riot. > They reworked, leblanc, katarina, aatrox, gragas, evelynn, trist -e, Maokai, Gankplank, Talon, Galio, Graves, Irelia, Poppy, Warwick, Rengar, Sion, Urgot, Xin Zhao, Vladmir. > Think about all the people that played this and had them as mains, I am one of them with the old Gragas. Riot just makes thing they want and it is starting to get pretty ....... not even adcs anymore..... Players aren’t getting tired... every single one of these reworkscwhere ones that we asked for, as a community we decided these champions where unhealthy and asked riot to rework them, which they did. Only the minority don’t like the reworks riot aecdoimg and that shouldn’t stop the majority from enjoying them. And before you say anything yes I have lost a main to a rework, I know exactly what it’s like... trust me when I say it gets easier if you just learn why the rework happened. > there is other champions that can one shoot not lb, but they disigned Zoe thatsexacly the same as the sniper Gragas once was. Zoe just E charm and Q and you are dead, exacly like Gragas Q-R combo. Just see they don´t learn, just rework a sniper because irelevant plays happend and then making a champ that is the same..... Zoe has several telegraphs and delays on her kit... her Q has to be fired backwards first which shows people it’s coming, and her E is delayed so you can reposition, cleanse, or get something defensive before you go to sleep. These are counter play and make Zoe healthy. Gragus just pressed 2 buttons and you died instantly... that isn’t healthy. Not only that but Zoe is immobile meaning if you get on top of her she dies, and she is squishy with no sustain... gragus has a pretty spammable mobility spell, innately tanky with W, and high amounts of sustain... he was a burst magethat even if you got on top of or bursted him down he would still probably kill you, Zoe you can very realistically kill her before she can kill you. Balance isn’t “this champion wasn’t allowed to use two spells to kill so no other champions can” it’s giving ways to counter this burst in a meaningful way... whether that’s blowing them up, bullying them in lane, or using the telegraphs in their kit to prevent the damage. These are things you’ve completely ignored, you just see the damage and assume it’s the same principle... which isn’t how balancing works. And like with the ori example why would Zoe being able to burst make it so that gragus should get reverted... surely if old gragus and Zoe was as healthy as each other and gragus got reworked for that then Zoe should get reworked instead... no point moving backwards when forward is a better option.
If your cleanse is on cd and you get hit by a charm (Zoe E) you are dead to 100%. Man do yourself a favour and check the winrate on Gragas at s3 Worlds, it 7 wins and 8 loses and in the s4 spring it was not even over 50%, so I don´t get the problem reverting him because other champs has/had so much higher winrate then old Graggyyy
: Nope. Alpha was the best. Before Season 1 started. Let's revert lol to ALPHA ! # #REVERT TO ALPHA
Season 4 was the perfect season with the new "ward" "oracle" system and the meta.
: > [{quoted}](name=AdgaR,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=49Wtu3bP,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-10T21:15:26.562+0000) > > They designed Zoe that is exactly the same as the sniper Gragas once was. Zoe just E charm and Q and you are dead, exactly like Gragas Q-R combo. Just see they don´t learn, just rework a sniper because irrelevant plays happend and then making a champ that is the same..... So if Zoe is still here why not have anoter sniper because Zoe fits in to this meta really well man? Firstly, Zoe is more akin to Old Nidalee, only with more set up required. Secondly, unless she is uber fed, there are tonnes of ways to work around her set up. Gragas just insta-bursted with two abilities. Whilst being tanky. Whilst being almost impossible to force out of lane.
Okey man I guess you don´t want old Gragas back but I do and some others to, and I will say that sure he were op but just get the point that there is so many other op champs to. Just do yourself a favor and check the winrate on Gragas season 3 World, its not even 50% and not over 50% in s4 spring so where is the problem? Other champs got much higher winrate. So I guess you can work around gragas to not only Zoe??
: > [{quoted}](name=AdgaR,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=49Wtu3bP,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-07-10T20:48:26.192+0000) > > He is not useful as Ap trust me, 77000 and lvl 7 with him only playing ap. He lose against any matchups unless you great this R into barrel. Orianna is to safe man just check the last seasons how it has gone with Orianna in the mid That was because she is extremely safe and the meta was generally scale to late game and baby the ADC, three things Ori is good at. Of late, the meta is more geared towards snowballing, which Ori can do but does much less effectively. Also, as a point against old Gragas, his mid had very little agency for the enemy. You couldn't poke him out because he had too much sustain from his passive. You couldn't wait for him to go oom because his W restored mana. He could clear waves instantly with his Q and the RQ combo was too easy and did far too much damage without much recourse.
They designed Zoe that is exactly the same as the sniper Gragas once was. Zoe just E charm and Q and you are dead, exactly like Gragas Q-R combo. Just see they don´t learn, just rework a sniper because irrelevant plays happend and then making a champ that is the same..... So if Zoe is still here why not have anoter sniper because Zoe fits in to this meta really well man?
Boulhya36 (EUW)
: why not revert league to season4?
Exactly!! Ever since season 5 started everything in game has just been changing, now these days there is not even a adc more. Season 4 was the "perfect season" in spring.
: > Since season 4 when Gragas got reworked/nerfed as a AP mid laner we haven´t seen anyone beating Orianna in lane. ...except for all the midlaners that are capable of beating her in lane. And he can still be used effectively as full AP.
He is not useful as Ap trust me, 77000 and lvl 7 with him only playing ap. He lose against any matchups unless you great this R into barrel. Orianna is to safe man just check the last seasons how it has gone with Orianna in the mid
: Oh god no... dying instantly from a gragus is a pain especially when he is difficult to kill yourself... Leblanc is squishy and has no sustain, gragus is much worse. And a decent amount of mid laners can do well into ori, and even if gragus was the only one which is a lie why would gragus be the one reverted considering all of the trouble he causes, why not target ori herself (again not necessary)
Man just look at how they rework almost all the champs, players are starting to get tired of Riot. They reworked, leblanc, katarina, aatrox, gragas, evelynn, trist -e, Maokai, Gankplank, Talon, Galio, Graves, Irelia, Poppy, Warwick, Rengar, Sion, Urgot, Xin Zhao, Vladmir. Think about all the people that played this and had them as mains, I am one of them with the old Gragas. Riot just makes thing they want and it is starting to get pretty ....... not even adcs anymore..... there is other champions that can one shoot not lb, but they disigned Zoe thatsexacly the same as the sniper Gragas once was. Zoe just E charm and Q and you are dead, exacly like Gragas Q-R combo. Just see they don´t learn, just rework a sniper because irelevant plays happend and then making a champ that is the same.....
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