: > [{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=2fAobjld,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2016-02-27T16:07:09.783+0000) > > No.I'm against op champions. > > I don't like. > > I don't want op champion. Well some would say that Cho is more OP than Lux.
Bad lie. Probably Classic toxic Lux main.
: > [{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=2fAobjld,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-02-27T16:01:44.382+0000) > > No.Lux is free elo and op. > > Also high win rate and pick rate aren't normal. > > You haven't an argument small kid. > > I wrote wrong place.My bad. So play her if its free elo?
No.I'm against op champions. I don't like. I don't want op champion.
: Lux was op for 5 months, since World Championship
Also Lux has a lot toxic players. They haven't an argument and only downvote :)
D1nzu (EUW)
: err wtf? I just agreed with you...
Rioter Comments
Nabzor (EUW)
: Explain me LUX please...
Yes.She is op and does need nerfs.
: You don't seem to understand, I said Vayne is broken. There is no reason Vayne should have such a disgusting winrate, it's merely her overloaded kit that gives her this. I repeat, if a high skill hypercarry has 50+ winrate, they are overtuned, hence upcoming Kog'Maw nerfs.
Kog maw has 55% win rate Azir 43%.Kog maw 40+ game length has 70% win rate Azir has only %45.Hypercarry but only 45%.He needs buffs.
: My Azir games on **this account** have nothing to do with this. I have played Azir enough to say that he's rewarding. I won't bother to answer you anymore though, as you show clear incapability to have a reasonable conversation by still using insults, instead of actual reasons to back up your claims. http://img.picturequotes.com/1/119/insanity-is-doing-the-same-thing-over-and-over-again-and-expecting-different-results-quote-1.jpg Also, the correct sentence would be "You don't have enough Azir games" or "You haven't played enough Azir games". Do us all a favour and don't sleep during your English lessons.
I have over 1000 Azir games.So please shut up.Don't say anymore.
: Hypercarries are supposed to have low winrates, Vayne is broken by definition, so bad comparison.
Vayne wins with 54% for late game but Azir only 45% Azir isn't hypercarry.If he was hypercarry, his late game win rate was 50+.
Infernape (EUW)
: So you want Riot to buff his early game? I'm pretty sure Azir is a late game nightmare. A well placed Emperor's Divide can decide a team fight/game. If he had a strong early game and an even stronger late game, he would be several kinds of broken. He has a crap early game but he makes up for this in the late game.
Azir wins 40+ game length only 45%.But Cassi and Vayne win with 54% Azir isn't hypercarry.Azir is so weak early, mid and late game. Also Azir wins only 50% with 125+ games.He isn't rewarding.
: He is rewarding.
He isn't rewarding.You're blind? Am I right?
: Azir is rewarding after 35 minutes, like every hypercarry should be. A lategame hypercarry shouldn't be allowed to be doing crazy things at 10 minutes.
After 35.Very much.Sorry mate.Actually 40+ game length Azir has only 45% win rate.So Azir isn't hypercarry.The highest 47%.But Cassi or Vayne win with 54%. Vayne and Cass are hypercarry but Azir isn't hypercarry also Azir's early game is so weak. https://champion.gg/champion/Azir Azir isn't rewarding and needs buffs.
inbloom12 (EUW)
: this meta is garbage.
: Nah, just some midlaners who shit on him right now are too strong {{champion:238}} {{champion:103}} {{champion:99}}
Azir isn't rewarding.Problem is this.Also Azir hasn't good matchup. AZIR MUST BE REWARDING.
TTekkers (EUW)
: The issue is competitive - for better or for worse, we play the same game as the pros and it needs to be balanced for both us and them, and if that means some champs are unplayable in competitive because they stomp soloQ or unplayable in soloQ because they stomp in professional. Now Azir, he has so much more potential in organised 5v5 teams played by highly skilled players than in silver soloQ that he has to take a hit in lower tiers of play in order to not be super OP in the top level. I will agree though, recent series of patches have not been kind to the emperor.
But this isn't true.The worst Azir isn't rewarding.I want he must be rewarding.I don't say that he must be op.Azir is difficult champion and must be rewarding.
Rioter Comments
ExileSorrow (EUNE)
: Ahri nerf incoming (ranting abit
Ahri mains you got used to free elo champion.Lb and Diana counterpick for Ahri so what is the problem?
ExileSorrow (EUNE)
: Ok Ahri sugegstion
True nerf.I hope Riot gives more nerfs.
Ysni (EUW)
: Don't get me wrong it's not like I come here just to counter your argument, but I hardly see that as the reason, he was picked in the world championship if I remember well and I want to mention it again he has actually been a problem as an opponent a few times, it was a good player. And I'm not talking about laning phase, I mean teamfights, good wards and with rylai he would bring our adc from walls instantly below half health or even kill him. Bjergsen also says he is pretty skilled and while it is hard you can still get kills with him. Besides, I don't think his damage was fair before the nerfs it wasn't fair to instamelt someone with safety, I hope you do agree with that. It was ridiculous and still can be.
World championship? 5 months ago.Azir is so weak and needs buffs.
: First, I'm pretty sure the nerfed Corki this patch, and the LCS is on the last patch. Secondly, as far as Azir, GP, Ryze and Viktor are concerned, it was because they either were outperforming their peers by a significant margin, or were super unfun to play against. Finally, Ahri and LB appear to be general 'safe' or counterpicks, rather than super powerful choices in competitive.
Ahri is op and needs nerfs.But Waifu.So Riot doesn't touch her.I see every game Ahri pro scene.
Rioter Comments
: 5 - 20 damage Holy shit, unplayable Oh, excuse me.. 10 - 40 damage with augment. Still, that's nothing. Usually you overkill anyway.
: 5 - 20 damage Holy shit, unplayable Oh, excuse me.. 10 - 40 damage with augment. Still, that's nothing. Usually you overkill anyway.
Oh wait. Lux main.
Valthik (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Enjutsu,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=oRiexPqQ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-11T12:48:10.522+0000) > > What victor nerf? i checked the date of this thread and it's recent, i checked the patch notes and didnt find anything about Victor, i checked surrender@20 and again nothing about victor. > > Source please, what nerf are you talking about, is it some old one? No, there is a nerf on PBE. It's probably going live in 6.4. I can't help but see that Riot nerfs everything i use with decent results. I mainly played Jayce and Brand, BAM, nerf (ok, Jayce nerfs are quite old but S6 destroyed him). I picked Viktor again after a million years, BAM, nerf. Should i start playing Zed and Fizz so we can finally have them balanced? EDIT: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/02/210-pbe-update.html here is the source. The nerf is nothing huge as the E looses 0/5/10/15/20 base damage. You probably won't be able to push as effectively without AP, but the death ray stays strong.
Not only base damage.Augment.Big nerf.
LZ Flame (EUW)
: try to imagine pre hotfix warlords on tryndamere he had like 60% winrate ofc a mastery can be a excuse
But Malz,Kart and Swain didn't pick competitive.Also their pick rate was only 3% or 5%.But Lux 22% pick rate now.Also Tryn didn't pick competitive.Because his kit.
LZ Flame (EUW)
: i looked overall in the last 30 days
Did you look Lux's overall? or Ahri's? According to me this nerfs are absurdity.Because Viktor picked less.You look to competitive.Lulu,Lissandra,Ahri,Lux.
: > [{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=oRiexPqQ,comment-id=000100010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-11T13:17:06.121+0000) > > **Q buffs**,e buff,w animation buff also new masteries came for them.Please you research.I'm tired. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTaOzFVZIIY
Really I like this style things.But we accept Lux is so strong.
LZ Flame (EUW)
: 48% is pretty good for viktor.what low winrate?in what games was he played versus what opponents? winrate in competive play is a poor indicator because there are so few games played and often the teams are a huge factor.why are lux and ahri better than viktor i think i saw more viktor this season in lck than lux and ahri combined. they nerfed these mages because they messed up deathfire touch so these champs were op but not reverting these changes. recently i played jungle karthus in my ranked game and he didn´t feel too weak to be honest
45% for Plat+.Then they must be nerf Ahri and Lux.Because Thunderlord.Deatfire touch isn't an excuse for nerfs.
: > [{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=oRiexPqQ,comment-id=0001000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-11T13:12:51.399+0000) > > Zed was popular every time but Lux.Because last buffs.Zed was popular because Faker vs Ryu and impact.But Lux? Because last and unneccessary buffs.Also Azir was popular but nerfs.Now he isn't popular. What buffs? All she got recently was new ability icons. She had minor Q buff couple months ago but that was awhile ago. Lux is popular and high winrate, not because of her damage, or burst, or because she is OP. She is popular because she is SAFE. And in current fast,snowbally meta, safe champion means your opponent wont snowball. If u put her against another safe mage as Morgana, it will be a stalemate. If u look at her KDA ratio in statistics, u will see thats it average under 1. If u compare her damage done to Viktor or some other, u will see that she is behind. She is also in farm behind most. But if u play long range safe mage like her, and deny kills from opponents (especially snowbally champions) and also prevent them from roaming, that means u have higher chance to win.
**Q buffs**,e buff,w animation buff also new masteries came for them.Please you research.I'm tired.
LZ Flame (EUW)
: "Viktor isn't good in competitive.Viktor has low pick and win rate" He is a super popular pick in lck as a blindpick and he looks really good as that
Viktor has low pick rate and win rate for soloq.Also low win rate for competitive.Also Lux and Ahri are better than Viktor.Then you explain why did give nerfs to Swain,Karthus,Malzahar? Also Viktor and blindpick? Are you serious? Because Fizz,Lb,Liss and Zed?
: > [{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=oRiexPqQ,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-11T13:10:18.513+0000) > > Yes I'm serious.Because it is and true.54% win and 15-20% pick rate both (especially Ahri) for a long time.Oh wait.Lets we should nerf Swain,Malz,Brand,Karthus. Reason why Ahri has high pick rate is Lux. As Lux is popular, Ahri her natural counter becomes popular too. Zed should also be popular mid laner too, as its holy trinity of mid lane Lux , Zed and Ahri. Each can outplay other.
Zed was popular every time but Lux.Because last buffs.Zed was popular because Faker vs Ryu and impact.But Lux? Because last and unneccessary buffs.Also Azir was popular but nerfs.Now he isn't popular.
: > [{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=oRiexPqQ,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2016-02-11T13:02:58.674+0000) > > Ahri and Lux are still untouchable.Because money,sexy champions,double standard vs vs. You cant be serious? What about Syndra, MF, Zyra, Ashe, SONA, Sivir, Nidalee?
They aren't sexy.Especially Zyra,Syndra,Sona. Also Lux and Ahri waifu.
: > [{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=oRiexPqQ,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2016-02-11T13:02:58.674+0000) > > Ahri and Lux are still untouchable.Because money,sexy champions,double standard vs vs. You cant be serious? What about Syndra, MF, Zyra, Ashe, SONA, Sivir, Nidalee?
Viktor is a skillshot champion and only 45% win rate for Plat+ Lux and Ahri skillshot champions but what is this 54-55% win rate and 20% pick rate.
: > [{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=oRiexPqQ,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2016-02-11T13:02:58.674+0000) > > Ahri and Lux are still untouchable.Because money,sexy champions,double standard vs vs. You cant be serious? What about Syndra, MF, Zyra, Ashe, SONA, Sivir, Nidalee?
Yes I'm serious.Because it is and true.54% win and 15-20% pick rate both (especially Ahri) for a long time.Oh wait.Lets we should nerf Swain,Malz,Brand,Karthus.
Valthik (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Enjutsu,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=oRiexPqQ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-11T12:48:10.522+0000) > > What victor nerf? i checked the date of this thread and it's recent, i checked the patch notes and didnt find anything about Victor, i checked surrender@20 and again nothing about victor. > > Source please, what nerf are you talking about, is it some old one? No, there is a nerf on PBE. It's probably going live in 6.4. I can't help but see that Riot nerfs everything i use with decent results. I mainly played Jayce and Brand, BAM, nerf (ok, Jayce nerfs are quite old but S6 destroyed him). I picked Viktor again after a million years, BAM, nerf. Should i start playing Zed and Fizz so we can finally have them balanced? EDIT: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/02/210-pbe-update.html here is the source. The nerf is nothing huge as the E looses 0/5/10/15/20 base damage. You probably won't be able to push as effectively without AP, but the death ray stays strong.
Ahri and Lux are still untouchable.Because money,sexy champions,double standard vs vs.
Enjutsu (EUNE)
: What victor nerf? i checked the date of this thread and it's recent, i checked the patch notes and didnt find anything about Victor, i checked surrender@20 and again nothing about victor. Source please, what nerf are you talking about, is it some old one?
''The Viktor change is already on PBE, added to last post but will repeat in next one for exposure sake Death Ray (E) damage (base + augment explosion) lowered to 70/110/150/190/230 from 70/115/160/205/250'' For today.2/11 PBE Update.BOTH.Base+Augment. New nerfs.I'm sorry.Riot gutted him.
: > [{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=oRiexPqQ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-02-11T12:10:32.407+0000) > > Because Viktor is burst champion.Also Viktor is skillshot champion but still has low win and pick rate.He isn't good competitive.Also I'm sure Udyr,Zed,Lux op.Viktor already was nerfed patch 5.16.Yes he picked because Doinb,Kuro. What u mean he isnt good competitive? He saw more competitive scene than Lux ever did and ever will.
Yes we saw but performance? Also Lux and Ahri needs nerfs can not be denied. Viktor didn't deserve this nerfs.I'm an Azir main but really Viktor isn't problem.He was fine.
Eveninn (EUW)
: Lux too is a burst Champion that relies on skillshots, yet can't even oneshot caster-minions most of the time. Udyr is Mr. "pls don't CC or kite me", he essentially is just annoying cus he is just there till oyu start chasing him, but you'll never catch him. Zed... say what you want, Zed is skillshot based too, cus if you don't hit your Q you ain't doing much unless fed. At that he got energy, which makes him a bit stronger in Terms of laning but Limits his fighting, let alone hiw whole Shadow-swap mechanic, which I personally find quite predictable tbh.
Viktor too.But we look play and win rate.Also Lux is good for competitive Viktor isn't. Also Viktor was nerfed,ap items were nerfed.Now again Viktor was nerfed.This isn't sensible.
Sffc (EUW)
: The one that can 1 shot a minion wave with one ability after getting 1k gold isn't strong enough? Viktor has high burst with good utility, he just lacks mobility. How are Udyr, Zed and Lux OP compared to that
Because Viktor is burst champion.Also Viktor is skillshot champion but still has low win and pick rate.He isn't good competitive.Also I'm sure Udyr,Zed,Lux op.Viktor already was nerfed patch 5.16.Yes he picked because Doinb,Kuro.
Rioter Comments
D4RKEVA (EUW)
: 1. im an adc main 2. azir sucks in low/mid elos(HUST everything to dia 3 is max mid elo) -> u dont understand the game -> u aint as good as a plat 1/dia 5 azir main. 3.lux isnr free elo or either she would be PERMA BANNED/PICKED and had an insane win rate -> as i said freeelo -> winning while being bad with the champ
Lux is free elo.
D4RKEVA (EUW)
: 38% win rate in plat 4 -> to many deaths and pretty low farm as azir. Azir isnt in the best shape ever but u dont capatilaize him for 100% and crying for buffs wont do anything ^^ soooo bb
Then STFU and GTFO.
Allisrem2 (EUW)
: I guess you're pretty bad with Azir.
I'm better than you.Enough.
Allisrem2 (EUW)
: I don't even play mid like ... lux main woot? Brw you shouldnt open a thread if you obviously do not want to talk about it. Youre like one of those girls on facebook, updating status my day is terrible! Then you ask them why and they're just: thats none of your buisness. Your thread makes 0 sense man :)
Ysni (EUW)
: Ok, I do not play Azir so I might not know what I am saying but here is my opinion. 1. Azir truly is good in the hands of a skilled player, I have seen several games where he has been a huge problem for my team. The fact he has low win, pick rate is probably cuz he is a skilled champion and because random players who don't know how to play him pick him. 2. I am a Katarina main, with the preseason and the start of the new season Katarina has been......absolutely terrible. I almost stopped playing her. But right now I'm playing her again and guess what. I am doing fine. And the only reason why I am doing fine with her now is probably that people finally stopped playing all of those broken champions that are on the loose right now, or they get banned, so the game starts to become balanced. Perhaps it's the same case with Azir. If you are doing bad against a Zed it's probably because in my opinion Zed just became broken, I don't see why Zed's ult was buffed when he was already strong, let alone the items that favour all these champions. Perhaps if you get an enemy team with ok champions, not the broken ones then you will probably do just fine, just like me with my baby Kat.
**Falling pick rate** because Riot destroyed him.
: Same topic... did they delete the other thread because you were raging too much or why do you recreate it?
Then you can leave from this title.
Xevestos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=xJO5bQiY,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-02-10T13:33:26.993+0000) > > English isn't my native language.Also you don't make fun of with me. Mine is german, I learned english on my own, what's ur excuse? And no azir won't get any buffs because he would be too unbalanced for the higher lvls of play. Until he does get kit changes he will stay like this.
No. Azir needs buffs.
D4RKEVA (EUW)
: He is 2 elos ahead of you -> more gameknowledge -> better. And if u think 10 games with azir in rankeds means he sucks with him then u deserve your elo.
D4RKEVA (EUW)
: I have 10 rankeds !!! and about 60 normalsbut i know more about the champ then he does BECAUSE im a fast learner -> i got plat 2 with far less games then he needed for gold 5.(both starting at the same time -> he plays way more)
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