: Except no one will have a name like that, and more than likely you still know exactly what you're typing in the extremely rare scenario that someone does. >My point is that you cannot tell people to not write words that are on your imaginative list and expect them to know those It's simple. The words on that list are slurs of discriminatory nature, or extreme toxicity (such as the k acronym). There is literally no reason to use them - and no point in trying to justify their use. They're words that society in general deem unacceptable - not just league. > There's no freedom of speech in this game. It's annoying. >Is this game in a hello kitty world? ... Freedom of speech is the right to speak out against the government without fear of reprisal - which you can do, a lot of posts pop up here saying how Riot could be better. Freedom of speech is NOT using slurs or being toxic. And acting like that has consequence, just like in real life.
Freedom of speech is actually the power or right to express one's opinions without censorship, restraint, or legal penalty. Also a guy in here claimed i was using hate speech incorrect again saying a slur is not hate speech hate speech would be if i called for Harm or something of that nature against certain people which is no where near what i did. If you're going to state things just fact check it is all I'm saying.
: > Also I tried to look up the 0 tolerance word list but I can't seem to find it do you have a link to this list or somewhere it is viewable? So flamers can specifically avoid them in the future? I can really tell you're not very old yet because people don't scream in your face what you should and should not do in life. Either inform yourself or live with the consequences. Honestly, when you get a 14-day ban it never occurred to you to look up "What happens if I get banned again?"
No because if you look for the word list it says there are 360 words on this list but we don't have any clarity on it? and are we not allowed to question things? if flamers avoid flaming then their not flamers? i don't understand your logic you're literally saying that you don't want people to stop using these words? Also did you not consider the fact that assuming my age some people could consider offensive? no of course you didn't because we all had different upbringings for example when i was growing up if you were verbally bullied it was nothing you were supposed to deal with it yourself. Nowadays any 2 words is offensive and that's why this list should be clarified.
: You gotta make it more clear, how the timestamps are in this case. > [{quoted}](name=AlreadyTilted,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Ia8l9APG,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-11-15T13:29:27.739+0000) > > But even though this was my first ever offence in 3+ years my suspension was pushed to 2 weeks now I didn't realise how the bans worked at the time and didn't know that was it after that it's permanent. So the thing I'm not happy with is why I was given only 1 warning before a permanent suspension where other players would get 3-4 I take it you had this acc a long time, (already got a punishment 3+years ago, which is prolly irrelevant), got "recently" (half a year ago) a 14 day suspension and in a short time after that a permaban (half a year ago)? Is that how the case lies? > [{quoted}](name=AlreadyTilted,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Ia8l9APG,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-11-15T13:29:27.739+0000) > >To carry on why was my 1st ever suspension a final warning when i had no previous offences? I feel like a first offence is usually just a chat restriction is it not? > So to answer the point, i think a 14 day suspension is a pretty clear warning and riot doesnt owe a warning to you when youre toxic to random ppl over a video game. If you display a tendency to make the game shit for ppl for playing the game, then they remove you from the game. You had your second chance after the suspension... One would need to see the report case for the suspension to argue about whether a chat restriction was more appropiate. At least in the chat logs you posted you not only show slurs, but also report calling, negative attitude and possible griefing, some parts: > [{quoted}](name=AlreadyTilted,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Ia8l9APG,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-11-15T13:29:27.739+0000) > > Game 1 > AlreadyTilted: tell me you saw me cuck that ww > > AlreadyTilted: RIGHT FF > AlreadyTilted: im done > AlreadyTilted: getting flamed by an autist who banned my champ > AlreadyTilted: gg wp report udyr thank you > AlreadyTilted: baneed my champ and now flamed me > AlreadyTilted: also inting because hes trash > > AlreadyTilted: just %%%%ing ff > > AlreadyTilted: im not playing aalreaady said > > Game 2 > In-Game > AlreadyTilted: i just spawned you autistic %%%%ing %%%%%% Is that worthy of a permaban? Not as a first time offense, on an account that recently got a 14-day suspension and that goes right back to toxicity? pretty much yes.
Apologies for being unclear with how it went down in terms of time, I had had my account for 3-4 years with no suspensions then instanly a 14 day ban then maybe a week or 2 later the permanent ban which was 6 months ago in time of this post. There was no griefing in these games, at least from me, in fact game 1 i believe i was jungle and began to get the classic jungle flame we all know and love which i shouldn't of responded to but i did as you see. I think these kinds of things are hard to repeal or explain to others as you can't see what was happening in terms of other players. "Calling for reports" is that really a toxic thing? that seems like what everyone does when their being trolled or flamed?
: >Yes but even in real life legality is somewhat flexible for example for possesion of cannabis you would recieve a warning for a small amount of cannabis with no punishment. Yes, for a relatively minor crime in the grand scheme of things in the real world. And in league you would for mild toxicity in the form of a chat restriction. You even get a warning when you commit the more serious offences, in the form of the 14-day ban, where it indicates that this is your final warning. I'm sorry, I know it sucks your account got banned, but anyway you spin it, you already got your warning, you just chose to ignore it.
So i had to look up the 14 day ban window as It has been along time. I noticed the final warning is the last thing written in the small text below. Do you not think that maybe moving it to be bolded below the actual "14 day suspension" would be beneficial and clearer? Seems to me that a lot of these things are small text that you would have to look for as i said it was my first warning so i skipped over it without much thought at the time, Could it not be made clearer so that there is no way it is missed? Also saying I'm "spinning" it like i didn't get a warning i never said that at any point? I said It felt unjust to receive 1 warning as opposed to 3-4 and you explained to me how that worked i accepted your answer and proposed a counter point in terms of a first offence. None of anything I've said has been "spun" this is how it went down from my point of view and how as a long time player i feel things could change. Also I tried to look up the 0 tolerance word list but I can't seem to find it do you have a link to this list or somewhere it is viewable?
: >Quoting the terms of use isn't the issue here. You say that you got no warning, I'm telling you that the term of use is your first warning, it's explains that if you flame troll intentionnaly feed and such you may get banned. >I'm questioning the policies in place and trying to bring discussion in the hopes they can change for the better. Players who get punished are never the persons who should change the rules, besides if you can't follow the rules you agreed to follow what right would you have to change the rules ? >League is the only game I've received any form of punishment in and what the Terms of use state Isn't the problem the question is whether they need to be addressed You've seen 2 games worth of chats on a 3-4 year old account that has played possibly hundreds of thousands of games and you honestly believe that after my first offence that's it? when others would receive multiple warnings and suspensions? You believe that is a fair and just system? It doesn't matter if you have played 1 billion games and told someone to kill themselves in 3 games overall and got banned for that, you break the rules you get punished. Different games have different rules, it doesn't matter here since you didn't respect the term of use of LOL, so it doesn't matter if you respected the TOU of PUBG or Metal gear survive.
I never said I was going to change the rules this is an open discussion if you believe that the Terms of Use are perfect the way they are and nothing in Riots policies should be changed that's your opinion and you're welcome to it. I am simply stating i disagree with that my friends disagree with that and even some of Riot's own employees disagree with that. Listen I've stated many times that this is about more than my account, I have fully accepted that I'm not going to get my account back. Opening my case up to discussion though since I do feel it was Unfair, to me at least seems beneficial to talking about systems in place and clarifying them not just to me but to any other players who may stumble across this post.
: There is a "Punishment Pyramid" so to speak, with how bans and things are handled. _Typically_ it goes: 10-game chat restriction 25-game chat restriction 14-day ban perma-ban _**However**_ , if someone is displaying extreme toxicity, or using words from the zero tolerance list (which also fall under extreme toxicity), then it is highly possible you will skip straight ahead to a 14-day ban. Again, this is because the words on that list are words that society in general do not tolerate or permit (hell it's illegal in a lot of places under hate speech), so the severity of the punishment for them is to indicate that it's not tolerated here either.
Yes but even in real life legality is somewhat flexible for example for possesion of cannabis you would recieve a warning for a small amount of cannabis with no punishment. Do you not think that a first offence policy should be in place to provide more of a chance for reform as since my ban I have all chat turned off and my chat box i barely look at anymore and tend to forget it exists in fact I did ask whether it was after my 14 day or the permanent ban i don't recall if i could just be permanently chat restricted but i wasn't allowed, That would fix the problem entirely and seems like a far better solution when the chat was my only offence?
: >My main issue is there no sort of First offence policy or anything? You get warned in the term of use, so if you did not read it then like A Snarky Cyclone said: "ignorance is not an excuse" > 5.1. Can I troll, flame, threaten or harass people while using the Riot Services? (No. If you do, you might get banned.) >While using the Riot Services, you must comply with all laws, rules and regulations in the jurisdiction in which you reside. You must also comply with certain additional rules that govern your use of the Riot Services (the “Code of Conduct”). The Code of Conduct is not meant to be exhaustive, and we reserve the right to modify it at any time, as well as take appropriate disciplinary measures including account termination and deletion to protect the integrity and spirit of the Riot Services, regardless of whether a specific behavior is listed in the policy as inappropriate. In addition to the Code of Conduct, please review the Summoner’s Code for additional guidance on exemplary gameplay behavior. Since in most countries such insults are not tolerated it's clear that it won't be tolerated in LOL, also everyone can understand that some insults are worse than others, for exemple if you call some "noob" it's less bad than asking someone to kill themselves even if both will get you closer to a punishment.
Quoting the terms of use isn't the issue here. I'm questioning the policies in place and trying to bring discussion in the hopes they can change for the better. League is the only game I've received any form of punishment in and what the Terms of use state Isn't the problem the question is whether they need to be addressed You've seen 2 games worth of chats on a 3-4 year old account that has played possibly hundreds of thousands of games and you honestly believe that after my first offence that's it? when others would receive multiple warnings and suspensions? You believe that is a fair and just system?
Clαps (EUW)
: if you mean 1st time offence after a 14 day bann, yeah ur banned almost instantly.because after having 14 days you should have been able to reflect on that toxic behaviour.. that is much harder said then done i know because iv been banned a few times over 8 years
My first offence was a 14 day ban and that is the main issue i have is that I don't feel like that was Fair when other players recieve 3-4 warnings and I only received 1. I'm not expecting an Unban I just want the system looked at.
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: It was a deserved ban and riot has said that they aren't gonna unban people who got a justified ban
Could you explain why you feel it was deserved? I'm not expecting to get unbanned I'm just trying to understand why my 3-4 year old account was only allowed 1 chance.
: It's incredibly unlikely you'll be unbanned unfortunately. I've read through your post and I understand you used words from the zero tolerance list, which put you on a 14-day ban, and then this escalated from there. Whilst I'm not going to delve into the details that ignorance is not an excuse (especially since said slur is pretty much globally known), it's clearly indicated in the pop up that you get that that's your final warning. The reason the first ban was so heavy is because the words on the zero-tolerance list are words you should just flat out not be using ever. They're frowned upon in society, and not accepted here either. Whether or not you agree on the severity of the first ban, the point is you ignored the warning message that came with that. Unfortunately, that's on you at the end of the day. ----------------- Regardless, no one on the boards can help you get unbanned. We can only offer advice on where you went wrong and how to avoid it in future.
I never expected to be unbanned, I was unaware there was a no tolerance list so I appreciate you bringing this to my attention that is the kind of clarity i was after. My main issue is there no sort of First offence policy or anything? it seems like having a 0 Tolerance policy there should be a First Offence one as well? I just feel like It was rather sudden compared to other cases.
Smerk (EUW)
: it is deserved ban
Could you elaborate as to why it is deserved? For example explain why my ban was pushed? I'm not expecting to be unbanned from this post I want to create a discussion in the hopes of improving the systems in place and having it more clearly explained by a Riot member who is directly involved in the ban system.
: > So the thing I'm not happy with is why I was given only 1 warning before a permanent suspension where other players would get 3-4 Your first warning was the Term of use you agreed to follow: https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse Do note that the higher you behave badly the higher you'll be punished, so someone less toxic won't be perma banned as quickly as you. >To carry on why was my 1st ever suspension a final warning when i had no previous offences? I feel like a first offence is usually just a chat restriction is it not? why was my case handles so strictly compared to other players? Answer above. > The problem I have is with me being rushed to a permanent ban for 2 offences when there are many players who do far worse and get multiple warnings compared to my one warning. Prove it.
I don't need to prove it you can find case's of people win trading, flaming teammates, Intentionally feeding, Boosting etc. all in the public eye as streamers/ Youtubers and even some professional players have been caught doing such most of which got chat restrictions into suspensions and so forth (some of which had bans repealed). To claim my case is more toxic than others not only comes down to a personal decision so it would differ person to person but to me is completely false. As i stated in my post I'm not claiming my behaviour was fine I'm simply questioning the extremity of my punishment.
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