: > Read up, my only 2 permabans in multiple years of this game have come straight after 4 premades vs me. And believe me, I remember saying and doing a lot worse than what I did in those two games XD have a vivid memory of them because it pisses me off to this day how 4 people can gang up on you. 3 easy explanations, pick your favorite: a) You are human and therefore have an incredibly biased memory and might not remember correctly b) Your ban is the result of all your previous toxicity piling up and now it's just too much c) The system has become better over time > It is also %%%%ing annoying having a clear troll for an adc, what am I to do as a support? Two wrongs don't make a right. Are we in kindergarten? Just because others do something stupid that doesn't mean you should do the same. > And no, don't make a sweeping statements friend. You have no proof to back up your claim here, you just assume. Which claim? I was part of a project that collected all sources about Player Behavior that is out there on the internet. Overall roughly 800 sources. I can back up almost everything I know about this topic. > I genuinely believe they did make that elo hell island thing where they have separate games for toxic players and keep the clean people away from them Apply the conspiracy buster again! Riot has publically explained why this idea, they call it prisoner island, is a bad idea and that this is why they are not doing it. So you are saying they are doing it. So why did they make that statement? They could just have done it. Others, like Blizzard, did too. So why explain publically that you don't do something and provide perfectly reasonable explanations why you are not doing it and then doing it in secret, if you could just do it? Why? > Most people in this game are toxic, just don't show it unless provoked. Especially when faced with a clear troll or %%%%, I'd like to think the majority of games I am not toxic, hardly type in normal bad/good games. But when theres a clear troll I am a salty mofo I agree. Most people are not inherently toxic. There are very few truly "evil" person. "Toxic players" is not really a good term. It's about showing toxic behavior and how often and how extremely you do that. And the fast majority of players is very low on that spectrum and barely ever shows any toxic behavior and if they do, it's not that bad.
I do have a biased memory, but that doesn't take away from the fact that I was permabanned straight after those two 4 premade games. So I guess it was unfortunate coincidence. Your last point there might concede that at one point it wasn't good or didn't detect premades. No two wrongs don't make a right, but the whole point of this thread, like all the others, is what is worse: my flaming or his trolling. I can see why the flamers get angry, case and point. Please don't think I'm a conspiracy theorist lol <3 I am anything but. It must just be more coincidence that my golden friend who has never been banned or penalised plays with real nice people who never flame/int/troll. I often say %%%% all, honestly.. look at those three games. One is definitely bad sure, the other two are barely anything imo.
: Then we're done here. If my cold, hard facts that I provided you from the official source mean nothing, I will not waste any more of my time trying to convince you. Frankly, I don't care. You can do whatever you wish, you will of course face the consequences. Good luck !
Thank you and good luck to you too :)
: > Not a conspiratorial person at all, but... ...you are. I suggest you use the "conspiracy buster", the little word "Why?" (or "who profits?"). If your conspiracy theory is true and Riot is giving premades more power to ban players, while publically stating that they don't do that, despite the fact that this lie would be incredibly easy to uncover.....why are they doing that? Why are they doing something so obviously stupid? How do they profit? Why are they lying about it although it is incredibly easy to prove wrong? Why did no one ever actually prove it wrong? It's easy and a lot of people want to prove and absolutely have the ability to do so. So why did it never happen? If you can answer all that reasonably, with answers that are more reasonable than "Riot is simply not lying about this"...then you might be on to something, but only then. Otherwise, it's just a conspiracy theory, as you already kind of noticed yourself.
Why are they doing that? Because then premades don't know they have more power and don't abuse it... Now I am just guessing, as I don't know. Not a question of profiteering for them, probably just more costs to factor in if they had to calculate premades abusing their numbers and what not. It isn't easy to prove wrong, the only proof I have been against my opinion (conspiracy) shown is official riot words.. would you believe the POTUS if he told you something, probably not :P
: > The claim that it's harder to penalise inters and trolls than it is to go for the toxic players is valid, but stupid for a company with billions.. they could afford some humans to screen shit Be very careful when calling other people stupid and then immediately following that up with something incredibly stupid. I am referring to the "they could afford some humans so screen shit". They can't. And you would know that, if you would actually have been smart about this idea and would have thought about it before writing it. Calculate it. Calculate the costs. There are enough numbers out there to make reasonable assumptions. Depending on what numbers you pick, you will end up with a 9 or even 10 digit number per year. Absolutely NOT affordable by Riot or any other gaming company on this planet. > a company with billions Billions of revenue, not profit. Riot actually lost money last year.
Come off it bro, I am not asking for 1:1 staff to players, but the automated system is flawed and the only feasible way I can think to fix it is with human beings adjudicating, or some new advanced ai I dunno.. "A new report detailing which free-to-play PC games earned the most revenue in 2017 ranks League of Legends as the most profitable game with over $2 billion generated" first thing that pops up on google search.. didnt even have to look. It's profits I am referring to friend, they have been around for years, made a lot of money (profit) and if you think they can't afford to hire human staff for a penalty system, you might just be the kind of guy that thinks marginal tax rates of 70% on £10mill are immoral :P
: > I don't believe that numbers mean nothing, and if you do then you're kidding yourself You are of course free to believe whatever you want, but if you are interested in facts: The number of reports in one match does not matter, regardless of your personal beliefs. The system is automated, yes. But it's based on the content of the chatlog, not on the number of reports. The latter would be stupid, because then simply ganging up on someone would actually work. Why would Riot want that? > Would like to know what the official policy is on asking for someone to be reported, regardless of numbers of times asked/cried/demanded. If you do it once...fine, maybe you don't know better. If you keep doing it again and again and again, it becomes annoying and it obviously done to harass people, which is not okay. > Because if quantity of times crying about reporting a troll, but not taking into consideration how many actual reports were actually meted out, just doesn't seem logical to me. It is perfectly logical. Asking for reports is useless. And it's annoying. People prefer not to have useless annoying stuff in the chat. Therefore it's not allowed. Perfectly logical. > no one is positive in this game. Yeah, players who got punished always say that. It's not true though, they just assume everyone is like them. The vast majority of players does not flame, especially not frequently or on the same level as actual toxic players do.
Read up, my only 2 permabans in multiple years of this game have come straight after 4 premades vs me. And believe me, I remember saying and doing a lot worse than what I did in those two games XD have a vivid memory of them because it pisses me off to this day how 4 people can gang up on you. Yeah of course its annoying, I am trying to get peoples attention in the middle of the game. It is also %%%%ing annoying having a clear troll for an adc, what am I to do as a support? Kept shielding and peeling him, but to no avail. Could've muted him but he wasn't saying all that much, still tried to play the game to the end. All for nothing. Just a ban. We can agree to disagree on logic then, but I can see now riot make clear not to constantly ask for a report, so thats fair enough I got in trouble for that. And no, don't make a sweeping statements friend. You have no proof to back up your claim here, you just assume. I genuinely believe they did make that elo hell island thing where they have separate games for toxic players and keep the clean people away from them. My friend has been playing with me for the same amount of time, hes an elo higher than me. But whenever I play on his acc or watch him, the level of toxicity is exponentially lower than in my games :P smart answer for that? (Most people in this game are toxic, just don't show it unless provoked. Especially when faced with a clear troll or %%%%, I'd like to think the majority of games I am not toxic, hardly type in normal bad/good games. But when theres a clear troll I am a salty mofo XD)
: > There are circumstances when you should be able to flame people, like if someone says stuff that is breaking the laws of the country you live in, they deserve a good tongue lashing. First of all: We all live in different countries. Which country counts? Secondly: Harassment is forbidden in pretty much all countries, so according to your own logic, what you did is not allowed either. > And the ELO argument is pathetic, some people just aren't good enough to get themselves out of silver/gold/bronze/iron He literally said "is only your fault". He is saying the exact same thing you are saying. If you are not climbing, it's because you are not good enough. That's what both of you are (correctly) saying.
I am not a lawyer so I don't know. I didn't really harass someone, I just repeatedly asked for him to be reported :P (Suppose I did harass him by riots definition, so I am wrong on that point) No we aren't arguing the same thing. He thinks it is solely your fault. When he is ignoring the whole 40%40%20% rule to this game. You will not win all of your games, because certain percentages of games will be decided by teammates. Now when you've had a few games on the trot with trolls and idiots, you will be salty real quick. This guy seems to think it's your fault entirely for not climbing. There is a middle ground of alright players that would be an elo higher, or at least a bit higher, if they didn't have all those shit games. Sure that applies to the enemies too, but it doesn't help your case so its irrelevant.
: > There are circumstances when you should be able to flame people, like if someone says stuff that is breaking the laws of the country you live in, they deserve a good tongue lashing. Hello ? We're talking about a game, on said game's forums ? There are no country laws here, just the TOS. And flaming is punished according to the TOS. Try again. > And the ELO argument is pathetic, some people just aren't good enough to get themselves out of silver/gold/bronze/iron So in that case those people shouldn't mind the shitty players and bad performances they meet in said ELO. What do you think, that silver is full of perfect farming, 10/0 OTP players ? It's the bottom of the ladder, hence the quality of the players. I don't know why are people surprised when seeing people go 0/12 in bronze. It's bronze FFS, be happy that the person who went 0/12 at least can control his character and doesn't try moving with WASD.... LOL
Could pull up the cases of real world laws and legislation affecting the virtual world if you'd like. Don't think any court would put TOS over their laws. Not that anyone has, as far as I'm aware, taken riot to court. Because I am sure a spinster can make a claim that riot defend racists and death threats by not banning them or punishing them. Yeah alright mate, you clearly don't understand the issue with being bad and trying to make the most of ranked. Most people do ignore the shit players, most people (myself included the majority of the time) give them the benefit of the doubt. But I don't play ranked for fun, and if a 0/12 player is still dying and hasn't learned to stop feeding; I am not surprised, and wouldn't defend them from, being flamed a bit.
: > I don't believe that numbers mean nothing, and if you do then you're kidding yourself. Read that out loud. See how funny it sounds. It's a logical fallacy, that's why. One one hand you have "I don't believe" - shows uncertainty "If you do, you're wrong" - takes said uncertain claim, and transforms it into a FACT. In order to avoid obvious fallacious arguments you need to show more certainty. Like : "I personally asked a Rioter and he confirmed that numbers mean everything, if you think otherwise you're wrong". In that case you would be lying, but the argumentative mistake would be less obvious. For me to be able to call you out on it, I'd need an extra step to ask you for proof and you could simply dodge the answer. I'd still link you this one tho, and destroy any kind of argument you had before : https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player If you scroll down a bit there, you will find : > Do not threaten or repeatedly tell a player you will report them. Doing so can encourage players who are already negative to continue their behavior. Whether they know they are being reported or not has no bearing to whether the system will act on them. But most importantly, repeatedly threatening or arguing with a negative player can end up derailing the game for everyone else and then open yourself up to reports and possible disciplinary action as well. Avoid negative thoughts and useless chatting with poor performing teammates! Focus on victory by muting the offending player and then reporting them at the end of the game. > _**Do not ask other players in the match to report the offending player. It only takes one report for our systems to review a game. **_Additional reports will not do anything for the offending player; however as mentioned above, it could open yourself up to a report of your own; especially if you are derailing the match by constantly demanding reports of other players. So yea, you're wrong. Moving forward. > And if the amount of positive to negative comments is taken into consideration, then every single player is bannable as no one is positive in this game. Again with the claims my man... They are no good for you, trust me. You take something and make a FACT out of it. "EVERY PLAYER TYPES MORE TOXIC SHIT THAT POSITIVE THINGS". Proof ? I don't... so what now ? > Would like to point out your response here is pretty negative and filled with naughty words, so you should be banned too <3 Yup, I do have a harsher style. I found that it's easier for people to understand. Anyhow, this is not LOL, this is the public boards. My harsh language here doesn't influence anyone's gameplay experience, or gaming performance. You can chose to ignore me, you can chose to report me and have my post taken down, whatever you want. After you left the boards, my post will have 0 further impact on your life. On the other hand, being toxic to a player, in-game, holding them there for 30+minutes, permaflaming them/blaming them, can drive a guy nuts, trust me + he'll lose his LP too for that game. Even if he played like a god before, after getting flamed he'll start to play worse. So what's your actual argument here ?
My argument is that being banned for 14 days because of one bad game (coupled with all my other mistakes previously) is bullshit and unfair. I would love to have a proper debate/discussion with you but I don't have the time to. Not a conspiratorial person at all, but just because rito says something doesn't mean it is true. They probably just don't want people to do it, as they said, because it will lead to everyone in the game hating on eachother. But I know myself that my 2 permabans in 5/6 years have come from games after arguing with 4 premades. So I don't believe them.
: > oh u mean we can't talk but they can do what ever they want right And how exactly does talking help ? People are just stroking their EGOs when they respond to a flame. They just need to have the last word. Can't be otherwise.. Or they are just being toxic, when becoming the said flamer, no matter under what circumstance. Explain me this, how will a feeder's performance improve, if you flame him through 30 minutes of gameplay. What is the better option, muting+ignoring+reporting said player, or flaming him + breaking the TOS + risking to lose account because of one player, that you'll probably never meet again anyway ? > there is no way because u will ignore 2-3-4 games but in hell elo it's in every game , how u want me to react to that ?? So what's stopping you from getting out of said ELO ? And don't bother with answering "my team". The "my team" argument usually gets destroyed by my smurf's OP.GG stats : https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/264509145766428673/553921117707042826/Screenshot_2019-03-09_at_14.44.20.png Because as you can see, you can climb in pretty much every situation, if you're good enough. Getting stuck somewhere is ONLY YOUR FAULT.
Seriously doubt whether you play the same game we do.. and "no matter under what circumstance" is exactly the sort of totalitarian stupidity I'd expect from a white knight. There are circumstances when you should be able to flame people, like if someone says stuff that is breaking the laws of the country you live in, they deserve a good tongue lashing. And the ELO argument is pathetic, some people just aren't good enough to get themselves out of silver/gold/bronze/iron. But let me tell you, in this elo there is a hell. When you aren't good enough to pull yourself out, it is only exacerbated by multiple trolls or flamers or inters who make damn well sure you won't climb.
JayceGatsby (EUNE)
: Ban or not, people should have alt accoutns leveled to 30 and troll games on daily basis. We need to ruin player experience. We need more bans for toxicity for frustrated players that try hard to win but called an inter ***face while inters most like not getting banned at all. We need to troll, ruin games, ban good players etc. Why? To make enormous number ofp layers sick of it. To force riot for absolute REWORK of their punsihemnt system. Systems, where intentional feeders and afk people get away but good players are punished for venting the frustration these garbage trolls causing by merely insulting them is BAD system.
Don't want some sylas level revolution of riot, but ignoring trolls and punishing the players who vent at them is just frustrating, at best. The claim that it's harder to penalise inters and trolls than it is to go for the toxic players is valid, but stupid for a company with billions.. they could afford some humans to screen shit or set up a new system :P I would like to do your idea, but there are too many players addicted to this game to actually stop or ruin their fun for a bigger purpose
: oh u mean we can't talk but they can do what ever they want right , so i started my first game of the day and facing in my team teemo jungle and feeding me do u think that can keep me clam ,and don't tell me to report him because it won't give my lp back ,so if we flamed them we ganna get ban for that and he can just play and do what ever he want , do u thin it's fair ??? , and sometimes u just saying fact about people but it count as flame for some reasons, stop talking like pro ,i just face troller every single game and u want me to clam in every game ????????????? there is no way because u will ignore 2-3-4 games but in hell elo it's in every game , how u want me to react to that ??
I think I know what you're getting at here friend, and I agree. I think <3
: Another person that doesn't comprehend that report numbers mean nothing. 1 report equals 9. "But but....report x please !!! PLEASE REPORT THEM !!!!!!!!" You typed report 16 f#$king times. You don't have ONE LINE of text, a single one, that's remotely positive. Not even one. What are we even talkin abt ? You either need to reconsider your in-game priorities, or look for another game. And cut the "white knight" bullshit, why do you come here ? What do you think, people will ignore all the toxic shit you spat out and call the company a hypocrite for banning such an angelic, innocent creature like you ? Get f#$king real.
I don't believe that numbers mean nothing, and if you do then you're kidding yourself. Automated system doesn't take into consideration how many players in the game reported someone? Highly unlikely. My priorities are to win/have fun when possible. Calling the white knight shit because I see plenty of comments on threads being just that, white knights. Would like to know what the official policy is on asking for someone to be reported, regardless of numbers of times asked/cried/demanded. Because if quantity of times crying about reporting a troll, but not taking into consideration how many actual reports were actually meted out, just doesn't seem logical to me. And if the amount of positive to negative comments is taken into consideration, then every single player is bannable as no one is positive in this game. Maybe in Scandinavia you're all nice but not on EUW. (Would like to point out your response here is pretty negative and filled with naughty words, so you should be banned too <3)
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