CliffiToF (EUW)
: wtf is wrong with match maker?
Lol as soon as I pick ONE premade in the whole team, we instantely win... And suddenly when he's gone riot gives the worst trash again... Interesting how this company knows very well how to trash their game but not how to improve it... It's almost as if they did it on purpose...
Silent Note (EUNE)
: Also, I checked your match history: 1st game of the day: deaths in your team per player: 5, 6, 6, 6 (you), 7. So you were just as bad. 2nd game: You went 0/7/1, lowest damage dealt in the entire match as Kayn, lowest vision score, lowest CS excluding the supports. 3rd game: You had 0% kill participation, and lowest damage (1612??? you had to be trying really hard to not deal damage to enemy champions... second lowest damage to champions was 4943 by your support...) 4th game: Based on the scores, that game was incredibly easy for you to win, you had a fed Fizz, a fed Nasus, and even while having an easy win and free LP, you're still complaining about your team. No wonder you have a 44% win ratio in Silver 4..
sad attempt to turn the conversation away from riot, to for you number of death doesn't matter at all. The only thing that matters is when and why. lol trying to sound knowledgeable and ignoring that... Even worse for you, most of my deaths were caused by how garbage the teams were....
: > [{quoted}](name=Silent Note,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=s6EoAA5G,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-02T13:49:51.882+0000) > > Also, I checked your match history: > > 1st game of the day: deaths in your team per player: 5, 6, 6, 6 (you), 7. So you were just as bad. > 2nd game: You went 0/7/1, lowest damage dealth in the entire match as Kayn, lowest vision score, lowest CS excluding the supports. > 3rd game: You had 0% kill participation, and lowest damage (1612??? you had to be trying really hard to not deal damage to enemy champions... second lowest damage to champions was 4943 by your support...) > 4th game: Based on the scores, that game was incredibly easy for you to win, you had a fed Fizz, a fed Nasus, and even while having an easy win and free LP, you're still complaining about your team. No wonder you have a 44% win ratio in Silver 4.. Sick burn bro!!! {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
ahaha are you ironic? Cause that would be pathetic if you werent xD
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Enjutsu (EUNE)
: There's one big problem, it promotes saving KDA, specifically, once you're close to the death number that will trigger higher LP loss. It's already popular to keep camping a lane that is losing(which was slightly mitigated by the new bounty system), this makes things even worse. I'm sure you wouldn't like it when someone on your team starts playing way too safe and not doing anything.
Of course a lot more parameters than kda have to be taken into account. For ex number of deaths can be mitigated with damages to champions and towers. If a guy sleeps in base, he won't die, but neither will he damage ennemies or turrets. > [{quoted}](name=Enjutsu,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FXMKNRHV,comment-id=00000003000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-17T05:10:42.411+0000) > I'm sure you wouldn't like it when someone on your team starts playing way too safe and not doing anything. In fact that's exactly what I'd like my teammates to do.
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PH45 (EUNE)
: Of course I prefer the option 2). But that being said it is also good that new players are placed accordingly lower, than to low Gold etc just cause they got carried in multiple games, leading them to big loss streaks if they aren't good enough. I think Riot is working on something though to make smurf accounts place higher/climb faster but since it's pre-season it is still being worked on.
yes I agree, which is why ranking needs to be adjusted by performance, not just MMR wise, cause if you can get carried to win you can also get carried to lose ^^
: > [{quoted}](name=CliffiToF,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=YN3EgNd2,comment-id=00010000000100000001000000010000,timestamp=2018-12-16T09:39:32.537+0000) > > Lol funny how ridrone board lurkers always try to derail clever points with completely %%%%%%ed arguments. > Any normal brain with an IQ higher than room temperature would need half a minute to realise your point has no basis. Out of courtesy, I'll let you do that yourself. Take your time. > Once you've done it, apply the same "logic" to the already existing system. ...yes, you don't understand simple logic, so your last resort is to turn to insults, following a quite predictable uncivilized and primitive behaviour. Not that i'm suprised, of course. That's only so much you can do by repeating things, after that, you only have to give up and accept that are dealing with a clear case of insufficient brain capabilities. And i'm no doctor, so i'm done here. Bye! {{sticker:vlad-salute}}
> [{quoted}](name=Sarchiapon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=YN3EgNd2,comment-id=000100000001000000010000000100000000,timestamp=2018-12-16T09:43:04.334+0000) > > ...yes, you don't understand simple logic ... yes, you don't understand simple logic
: > [{quoted}](name=CliffiToF,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=YN3EgNd2,comment-id=000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-16T03:00:20.313+0000) > > Just like you implement every other changes - they're coded into the game and applied by a patch... Riot doesn't reveal the formula for MMR, it's the same here Right. Then you play with a premade, he dies 10 time and you 5, and you lose 10 LPs while he loses 15. But wait, that's definetely not enough to encourage you to troll every game you think you are losing by going AFK base when you strike 5 deaths. You defintely need to read throught the code and get the formula right before you know what you need to do...! {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
how much does riot pay you for your clowning performance? {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
PH45 (EUNE)
: It's just placements. If you keep winning you will climb noticeably quicker, just like previously. You have bigger LP gains during placements anyways so I don't really see the issue.
Because it's a huge waste of time. What do you prefer : 1)get placed iron 4 and win 30 LP per game 2)get placed gold 4 and win 28 LP per game
CliffiToF (EUW)
: game is buggy af
For some reason now it's perfect
PH45 (EUNE)
: You would get placed in Iron IV anyways after first game on a fresh account.
wow ranked just got even more gqrbage
Smerk (EUW)
: > I haven't seen you requesting damages getting randomized every game for ex. Why? Don't try to twist my words. If you didn't understand what I meant then just say so and I'll try to explain it again while using simpler words and phrases
I see you need me to explain to you what you just said. What's easier for you, crayons or cubes?
: > No that's what their own history and thinkers tell actually That explains everything. > 1) EU has been around since 1993, so unless you're 40+ you have never experienced Europe without EU. > 2) Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, Ukrainians, Hungarians etc... Have a different experience. > If you belong to the 1% parasites then you have grounds to feel freed by EU. But most people who enjoy EU are servants of the > 1%, and they don't have the means to change country when theirs falls, like Greece. > They're kept in the matrix but one day reality hits, and hits hard. > Freedom incoming! 1) I have experienced when I had to have a passport with me to move to other european countries, when there was a need to change money to pay in other european countries, yes. 2) And for sure these countries would all be better off without the big, mean, evil EU... give me a break. Surely the open borders and free trade didnt give them any boosts to economy and tourism, surely they dont receive subsidies from the EU for what they pay in. These countries have inner problems that stem much further and deeper than the supernational institute, but of course its easier to shift blames... let's not forget that Greece for example lied tremendously to the EU to get in and also to its people, and now the people reaped the catastrophic fruits of the policies sown by its own past politicians. I am not of the 1% and I would greet it tremendously if more wealth would be passed from top to bottom, but that is another story and going in or out of the EU wont change anything that the countries still have their own 1%. But hey, at least its their own 1% I guess. Every country has police forces... so I dont know why this pictures should be special. Every country also always will have police forces. > That's called business... How many Russian/Chinese military bases in Europe, middle East, North and South pole? How many > > > Russian or Chinese bribe our politicians and impose laws? I can't think of any, but I can find millions of examples about Israël or > > Gulf monarchies. Then you havent searched at all. There was f.e. a russian spy in the NRA and among republican politicians. And if Soviet Russia would have been victorious in the Cold War, what do you think we'd have? Russian military bases of course. > They don't have plans to rule the world, or assist in doing so, so they're not globalists. Again, you tell yourself that.
You belong to the caste serving the 1% and, as such, you benefit from their crumbs. When someone scams billions a years, scrumbs are quite fat. You take your situation for granted. What good is there in being allowed to travel freely when you'll get shot/raped for doing so? What's the point of free trade if you don't have money to buy anything? What you call "freedom" is only icing on the cake and you're trading fundmental rights for that. Learn Russian bro you're gonna need it xD Russians had/have bases on their direct sphere on influence during the cold war, Americans placed theirs in Europe.... Because it's their vassal
Enjutsu (EUNE)
: > to do is demote people who get 50% more death What does that mean? 50% deaths more than what?
Than the rest of the team. For ex, a team's average kda is 4/6 and one guy is 4/9, he gets less LP. It could be better tuned, like 75%, 100%, depending on the role , the moment in the game etc but the idea is there. It would be motivating. Like, when I play karma and a guy hard feeds a rengar and he keeps 1 shooting me, and I get no peel, at some point I give up and might even troll. If I knew I would be rewarded according to my merits, I wouldnt.
Smerk (EUW)
: On the other hand you will get less situations where someone will be willing to sacrifice himself to protect others or secure objective. Why should someone die and waste his precious KDA when he can just walk away and let his team die instead? Would you be happy to get support that literally never tries to protect you as adc and just steals all your kills(and also some farm for good measure) to get better stats? Or jungler with 0 ganks that comes only when he can steal easy kills that you would get without him? I can think of many more situations like this. With current system it all can't happen, because you get nothing in case of defeat, so you have to try and win
That's ALREADY how people work. They're naturally selfish and want kda>winning. In higher elos, most people can overcome their urges, but the instinct is still there to get that kill instant gratification and even a challenger can occasionally greed for it. In lower elos it's a lot worse, and players who play carefully are plagued by %%%%%%s who keep throwing themselves stupidly. And those %%%%%%s get promoted because that's how it works. You play yas or talon, you smash button and you get a 51% wr. But if you play soraka or gallio and keep saving people you'll have 25% because %%%%%%s will keep throwing. That's exactly why we need a fair reward system.
: > [{quoted}](name=CliffiToF,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=YN3EgNd2,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2018-12-15T08:42:16.494+0000) > > Why do you assume riot would tell them how it works? That would be stupid indeed And how exactly you would implement such system that rewards "better" players and prevent even the stupidiest player ever to sort it out in one day with nothing more complicate than playing with one premade? Not to mention that people will immediatly begin to protest en masse here anyway: "why i lost 15 LPs and my premade only 10? How is that fair?".
Just like you implement every other changes - they're coded into the game and applied by a patch... Riot doesn't reveal the formula for MMR, it's the same here
Smerk (EUW)
: millions of games are played every day, such system would be deciphered in a week by community. It wouldn't be hard to find out which stats give you more and which less, so some players will try to minmax their stats
Yes that's how experience works, you get better when you play and seek information. If you don't like that then why didn't you say anything before? I haven't seen you requesting damages getting randomized every game for ex. Why?
Smerk (EUW)
: No, that means people will care more about stats than about victory
yep that's why it's good. No more solo players who throw themselves stupidly just because "idc I got a kill"
: > [{quoted}](name=CliffiToF,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=YN3EgNd2,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-12-14T23:50:46.416+0000) > > I'm fine with this but individual performance should be taken into account for LP/exp/mmr/etc. Impossible. You do that, people will begin to troll even more than now to try and cut their losses. "Hey, if i die less i may lose less LPs, better stay in base, who care about these bonobos who lost me the game".
Why do you assume riot would tell them how it works? That would be stupid indeed
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Zymexxx (EUW)
: Top Riot Executive Suspended Without Pay Following Investigation Over Workplace Misconduct
Warix3 (EUW)
: Your assumptions are wrong, this game IS based on skill and a little bit on luck (the luck is less and less important the more games you play). You can climb the ladder just fine if you have the required skills. You just can't win 100% of the games, but if you can win more than 50% then you can climb. But if your win rate is around 60% or 70% then you will climb very fast. People tend to look at trolls and feeders in the wrong way. They actually go in your favor if you think smart about it. Look at it this way: Your team will get 4 random players and you. Assuming that you won't ever troll or feed intentionally then that means you will have only 4 potential trolls in your team. But in the enemy team there will be 5 random players which means that they have 5 potential trolls. So if you never troll you are already at an advantage for having a less chance of having a troll in your team. And about luck, it may happen that you get a troll in your team and the enemy doesn't, but that doesn't mean the system is luck based, because you will usually play a large amount of games in ranked and because of that the amount of trolls will even out and will go in your favor if you don't troll. So basically the trolls don't impact your game a lot, you wouldn't win 100% of your games anyway, and the same rule goes for any player so it's fair and balanced if you play many games so the luck evens out.
It will be based on skill when teams will be balanced... Right now what I see is 9/10 teams are uncarryable trash, impossible to have 60% wr when you get garbage who feed 5 kills to a hard carry that one shoots you on sight, and you don't get such feed.
Smerk (EUW)
: No, it shouldn't. It would be abused too heavily.
What you call "abuse" means people will play better because they'll have to pay for their own mistakes. I'm very fine with people "abusing" the system that way xD plus it can't be worse than it is right now
: > The problem is everything they told you is wrong - EU is no "uniting" it's not "flaws", it's FEATURES because it's purposely made to ENSLAVE people. If so, then it horribly backfires as I dont feel enslaved at all but more free than ever. > Also China and Russia are mainland empires, that's the exact opposite of globalism. You tell yourself that with Russian interests in the Middle East, Europe, North and South Pole (among others) and Chinese interests in all of Asia and nowadays Africa and Middle East as well. And of course not forgetting how much of f.e. London city is owned by either.
> [{quoted}](name=Stahlvormund,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=xYdLQp2A,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-15T01:32:12.688+0000) > > If so, then it horribly backfires as I dont feel enslaved at all but more free than ever. 1) EU has been around since 1993, so unless you're 40+ you have never experienced Europe without EU. 2) Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, Ukrainians, Hungarians etc... Have a different experience. If you belong to the 1% parasites then you have grounds to feel freed by EU. But most people who enjoy EU are servants of the 1%, and they don't have the means to change country when theirs falls, like Greece. They're kept in the matrix but one day reality hits, and hits hard. Freedom incoming! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dt7-Tt-XgAAnt9H.jpg > You tell yourself No that's what their own history and thinkers tell actually >that with Russian interests in the Middle East, Europe, North and South Pole (among others) and Chinese interests in all of Asia and nowadays Africa and Middle East as well. That's called business... How many Russian/Chinese military bases in Europe, middle East, North and South pole? How many Russian or Chinese bribe our politicians and impose laws? I can't think of any, but I can find millions of examples about Israël or Gulf monarchies. But wait - fake news never say a word about this... Why? Strange! Could it have anything to do with the fact EU is assisting them? Globalism isnt owning properties abroad; it's uniformizing countries under one rule. Russia wants to secure it's neighbourhood and China wants to secure ressources. They don't have plans to rule the world, or assist in doing so, so they're not globalists. > And of course not forgetting how much of f.e. London city is owned by either. You mean, like the Shard? Oh, wait, it's Qatari...
: As the above poster said; the EU is not without flaws, and not without integral flaws. And I think the real problem ppl have is not with the UK leaving the EU, but the lies and false expectations that surrounded the vote. Besides, I much rather have an institution uniting the various countries of the continent of Europe than not, for else the powers of the other big global nations such as USA, China, Russia and other rising stars could tear apart and consume it. The real profiteur of the Brexit doesnt sit in London or the countryside of the UK, and not in Brussels either, but in the USA, Russia and China.
The problem is everything they told you is wrong - EU is no "uniting" it's not "flaws", it's FEATURES because it's purposely made to ENSLAVE people. IT's a nazi project followed by US globalists to destroy Europe and enslave whites, it's never gonna be good on those bases. Also China and Russia are mainland empires, that's the exact opposite of globalism. Trump is pulling back the US from globalism. Only the EU is clinging on this regressive ideology, losing hard.
: You can't. In this game there are way to much variables to be sure that luck is really out of the equation. Only thing you can do is trying to always better your skill. It should be noted, however, that one of the main problems of this game is the perception of it shared by many of its players. As long as they don't accept that this is a _**team**_ game and that you can very well lose because your team is the losing one, well, then the game will never be working for these people because they should really be playing a _**single player**_ game, not a team one.
I'm fine with this but individual performance should be taken into account for LP/exp/mmr/etc.
: > and stop letting them tell you that our problem is we hate Europe. Quite a lot of problems were summarized in one Google search result: "What is the EU?" One of the other lot of problems were summarized in: "350million pounds for the NHS per week"
EU is the opposite of Europe. Europe is a group of independent, sovereign, culturally diverse states. EU is a centralized, uniform tyranny.
: Just feel like saying something, to enlighten those in ignorance
The EU is a dictatorship organised by nazis, and developed by US globalists for their benefit, in case you didn't know. Good job true brits on this one, you're on the extremely-right side of history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQfda1y7EBc
: Only idiots think Britain voted in favor of brexit cause they're all racists... That doesn't make the decision itself any less nonsensical. Don't get me wrong, I'll be the first to advocate in favor of abolishing or at least completely remodeling the EU, but brexit was never the solution. It originated from a campaign based on lies that appealed to ideological benefits and completely disregarded the pragmatic advantages being part of the Eu has for britain. That is also why there was never any plan beyond "we're going to leave the EU". How exactly are we going to do that? Eh, minor details, I'm sure it'll be easy, right? Everyone who is even the least bit knowledgeable in politics should have seen the cluster%%%% we ended up with coming from a mile away.
it's easy to recognize the servants of the matrix, they'll use buzzword like "racist". Don't forget : as long as they're not unplugged, they're collaborating with the slavers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF2iImTqaTs
Enjutsu (EUNE)
: > Is it that hard to create a system that picks up this kind of behaviour and then punishes the player accordingly? Yes, it is. At best reliably automatic system can detect only the most obvious intentional feeders, any less and we're risking punishing innocent players, which already happens once in a while. The fact that people tend to call anyone playing a bit bad troll or intentional feeder doesn't help fo the system either.
No it's not. I should know, it's my business lol. It just exposes how stupid and lazy riot is, they can only think in terms of "do nothing or ban". All they have to do is demote people who get 50% more death, whatever the reason. It doesn't matter if they're inting or not, they're a hindrance to their team. Same with afk.
Lynnedin (EUW)
: Support intentionally feeds 0-18 in a 28 minute ranked game and no ban??
"it's your fault" <--- that's actually what most ridrones on those boards think lol
penguinpal (EUNE)
: You are a silver player with a negative winrate. Stop being delusional and learn how to play the game instead of whining about teammates.
LOL what a bronze thing to say. It's obvious I'm gonna complain about the dead weights who keep me down to their trash elo.
Mada (EUW)
: eugh! Also: if you don't mute the talkers, you have only yourself to blame
I scripted /mute all at start by default
íGengar (EUW)
: We all get those teammates from time to time but the rest of us don't make threads about it. There is no agenda against you it's luck of the draw.
cause you get them "from time to time". I get them 9 OUT OF 10 GAMES. Clearly the trash isn't spread evenly
: U want to say u r suck in silver only because of bad team? Lol xDDD
lol so funny ehehe ex dee
: What about you though.
Yeah what about me? 0 average death before 8 mins and ahead in farms
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: Free yourself from this game mortal. if you have a chance to quit it once and for all DO IT!
seriously it's fkn cancer. I've been playing for years, trying to reach gold by team playing, and all is taught me is : most people are garbage, leave them where they are, just take everything you can get and most of the time they'll still trash your achievements despite you telling them exactly how to succeed.
Darwinion (EUW)
: It's not just your teams, I expect most are experiencing the worst time in the history of the game due to a zero integrity ranked system being shuffled hard after the recent patch. I know they say things will be sorted by the new season, but I have no confidence in that given last season was the same total RnG in terms of game quality due to RnG matching. Then again, when everyone thinks it's their fault and their skill when they win, and everyone elses fault when they lose, I can see how Riot can get away with a matchmaking feature designed for a totally different genre of game.
It will never be fixed. It would need huge ammounts of creativity, intelligence, and risk-taking. To think those qualities would suddenly emerge in a company that got rich for copying bland game designs and generic anime characters, is like imagining the banking system will fix itself.
: I´m about to quit lol..
what's the point of ranked anyway? You get uncarryable %%%%%%s who cant even understand basic directions, and that's what decides who wins or loses. It's supposed to be a skill game but it's purely random. At least lottery is more hionest and gives you a chance to win money.
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: So you think, the are a lot of people, who have been Boosted to the glorious heights of.. Silver 3?
Given the level of %%%%%%ation I witness, yeah it's very likely. Anyway how better would it be if they got boosted to higher ranks?
: [Oof](https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/3862449249/2033701730887936?tab=overview) > they could even get carried [Oof2](https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/3860935740/2033701730887936?tab=overview) [Is there a point](https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/3860858455/2033701730887936?tab=overview) [(Leona Hydra btw)](https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/3859946511/2033701730887936?tab=overview) [in going on with this](https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/3859964160/2033701730887936?tab=overview) [?](https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/3859961680/2033701730887936?tab=overview)
yeah keep exposing those uncarryable trashes like 2/11 kata, thanks!
: [Get this guy a instant demotion he is inting too ](https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/3862411756/2033701730887936?tab=overview)
THOSE guys. I agree, vayne yas and zyra couldnt help inting, the game would be better off with them in iron division
: You'd think people would be careful throwing suggestions like this around when they have 3/16 and 0/7 karma ranked games in their match history. I guess the OP just wants to get Iron IV asap?
Are you drunk or smth? Pls try to make sense
: > [{quoted}](name=CliffiToF,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=zHX33FOP,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-12-12T16:36:33.102+0000) > > People pay them 2 billions a year to be treated like garbage, why would they change anything? Trash people go along with a trash game. Yup and thats the same reason why they made the pajama and prestige skins.
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Killmore (EUNE)
: GANK BOT LANE?
I always have those %%%%%%ed junglers who cant see your lane has been pushed under tower for 10 mins, but theirs will gank as soon as my minions pass half of the lane. I guess you're in the wrong bracket, riot decided you have to lose for some reason and you'll be plagued with those burdens again and again. Welcome to elo hell
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