: What happend with this game you write something you get banned?
So you're surprised that report-calling and flaming (both of which you admitted to doing) are punishable, as implied by the "what happened" rhetoric in your post title? When _was_ the last time you played League, the _pre-alpha_ stage? Flaming and report-calling have _always_ been punishable. Also, pro tip, if you want people to sympathize with you, maybe try something better than opening up your thread by referring to someone you don't like as a "SPECIAL PLAYER". Don't you dare try to pull the wool over our eyes, we all know what you mean by that, and given the behaviour you admitted to doing, it's _really_ not helping your case.
: Account suspended for 14 days (because of flaming) - Reason?
> [{quoted}](name=Shekelstein,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=egk58zFr,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-07T16:34:27.625+0000) > > I wanted to inquire some information as to why my accout is currently suspended for 14 days. One paragraph later... > I called my team goyim and pederasts, I assume the 2nd one is the reason for my temporary ban (I also implied they should engage in such activity, which is great because diversity is strength). And another paragraph later... > Unless of course I got banned for my 1st statement (goyim), which is kinda antisemetic, lol. Is there some kind of sarcastic version of the surprised Pikachu meme? Because that's how I feel right now. Also this: > I thought our society is tolerant and way ahead of being biggots and homophobic against sexual minorities. So what's wrong with being a pederast & what Riot has against them? Hmm, yes, why _would_ people be significantly less tolerant of relationships that involve someone who can't consent in comparison to same-sex relationships involving two consenting adults, now? Gee, your excuse totally isn't a cliche'd bad-faith argument that only serves as a flimsy attempt to distract from the actual problem at all, is it? _"If you really don't see why pedophilia is a whole other level of wrong that doesn't deserve to be on the same table as a discussion about homosexuality, you're a F*CKING BAD PERSON."_ **- Jim Sterling [(source)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWpdRWX_m_A)** Basically, stop trying to pretend like you're the victim of intolerance here, you know damn well what you were doing by dragging predatory and (by your own admission) antisemitic behaviour into the game. You behaved badly and got caught. Nothing more complicated than that.
: Player behavior Riot seems to overlook that should be bannable.
> [{quoted}](name=OneEyedCharlie,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=vmaObT7o,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-08T11:53:55.135+0000) > > i feel currently you are clearly overlooking on purpose Based on...what, exactly? Let's leave aside, for the sake of argument, the fact that Riot hardly ever comes to this side of the forum. If you say they're "clearly" doing it, I'm sure you have something to actually base this on. At least, something more substantive than the tired, "I didn't see a punishment happen, therefore it didn't happen at all" excuse. It's hard to say what you _are_ basing this on outside of blind guesswork, since you don't indicate anything in your post outside of, "It happens, take my word for it". You're the one who opened with the positive claim, you're the one with the burden of proof. > * Provoking people into fights by laughing at them in /all is clearly toxic. and general fishing for a fight by taunting and insulting and talking down to fellow or opposing players . as is GG EZ (prob the worst fishing for a fight offense), <-- that alone i am sure causes a LOT of people to loose their tempers and should be punished just as much as cussing the one out who said the GG EZ. the ones causing the fight should be seen just as guilty as those to who end up loosing their tempers because of it. instigating in professional sports is just as punishable as the one who retaliated with violence. - should be no different here. starting a fire is just as bad (if not worse) as the one fanning the flames. I'm not sure what you're panicking about here - intentional provocation and GG EZ have always been punishable, and bad behaviour has always been seen as bad behaviour regardless of who started it. Although normally, it's the person being provoked who places emphasis on who started it, not the other way round. > * Smurfing should really be a permanent bannable offense (on all your accounts linked to that mail. it's immense toxic behavior and bullying against people who clearly cant compete and putting them off from playing League in general. And you KNOW you are doing wrong because you have to go create another account to do this. there is no excuse for you venting on lower level players when you are irritated at your higher tier of play. Perhaps this is just poor wording on your part, but it's interesting how you open up with "smurfing should be permabannable", then launch into the one circumstance under which smurfing _is_ bannable, without entertaining the notion that smurfing by itself isn't actually bannable - i.e., it's only bannable if you're doing it to engage in behaviour that's bannable in the first place. I _hope_ that's what you meant.
: that is like, "don´t go outside so you can´t get raped"
No, it's closer to, "don't feed the trolls". And I don't mean that in the sense of "don't do anything about them", I mean, "don't give them a clear indicator that their attempts to provoke you are working.
Kashiro (EUNE)
: However you put it, it's about not being objective punishment. You can't make a system where players will be a good judge.
Exactly. I've no idea why every time people try to suggest adding more of a human element to the punishment system, they conveniently forget that human error is still a thing, for one criticism.
Kashiro (EUNE)
: You mean the tribunal was better? The one where people spammed punish without even reading the case ? You should never go to players themselves to participate in the punishment system(players are not objective) and there are too many games to leave it only on a human side. Most of the time it's a case of someone being toxic "only a little" or "defending themselves" and thus they think it's justified. It's not hard to go with the rules.
Spamming the punish button didn't really do much in the grand scheme of things, seeing how (especially in the case of harsher punishments) it only caused the case to be escalated to Riot's behaviour team for further investigation. Yeah, it was problematic since it wasted their time, but not in the way you're trying to imply it was. It was spamming the _pardon_ button that caused most of the problems with the old tribunal.
ProGFB (EUW)
: The report system sould be fixed.
> [{quoted}](name=ProGFB,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=rFHRqjYL,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-16T10:52:59.339+0000) > > The report system makes so bad decisions. I wont comment them because i am sure you all have had at least 1 and there are many videos out there where people discus not fair bans, peneltys and still not banned or abused toxic or trolling player(not players taht haev a bad game) Ok, sure, we'll take your word for it and overlook your lack of examples. /sarcasm > The reason I write this is to call up to other people that think the system is bad and it should be back to the old one(WHERE PEOPLE ANONYMOUSLY VOTE FOR PENELTY WITHOUT KNOWING THE PLAYERS IN GAME). > Whenever and wherever I search there are no reason why they even remade it. Then you obviously haven't been looking hard enough. The voting tribunal got shut down partly because it took too long for a case to be resolved, causing people to be punished for bad behaviour from two weeks ago, while the current system punishes for bad behaviour from 15 minutes ago. I'm no maths student, but I'm sure 2 weeks is quite considerably longer than 15 minutes. That's to say nothing of the fact that it was also shut down around 5-6 years ago because bad actors were spamming the pardon button on cases with clearly-punishable behaviour. Say whatever badly-proven nonsense you will about the current system being open to abuse, but you cannot tell me you want the return of an older system when said older system has actually _shown_ itself to be open to abuse. > I ASK YOU IF YOU AGREE TO VOTE UP OR MAKE A COMMENT SO RIOT SEE IT AND AT LEAST TRY TO GET THE HUMAN SYSTEM BACK Nice try, Riot hardly ever comes to this side of the forum. As for your poll, yes, a human checking _would_ in theory be better...as long as you leave out the additional context of League being as large as it is with thousands of games occurring from moment to moment. And that's _without_ factoring in how human error is indeed still a thing, no matter whether you're an ordinary player or a Riot employee. Hmm, why _would_ Riot choose machine-learning over hiring multitudes of overworkable employees, I wonder... Basically, if bringing back the old tribunal is your idea of "fixing" the system, then do you also try fixing sewers getting clogged with fatbergs by encouraging people to throw their waste out into the streets like in ancient Rome? My point is, there's often a _reason_ why the old way of doing things was abandonded.
: Am I really that toxic?
> [{quoted}](name=Nico Nico REEEEE,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=QNLE4mvb,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-14T21:43:14.829+0000) > > Just to clarify I by no means think my behaviour was not wrong, I just expect someone to get banned so fast and after just one game because they were throwing n-words around or some other toxic stuff, not this. Except you _weren't_ banned. You were chat restricted. You can still play the game, you just can't use the chat window as often in the meantime. Aside from the fact that your screenshot only shows a tiny sliver of your chatlog (not that it helps your case either way, since I can still see you hurling blame at a teammate in it), I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. All this situation really proves is that no, you may not have been behaving badly enough to instantly reach the stage of being banned, but you _were_ misbehaving enough to get onto the punishment ladder in the first place.
Ghordir (EUNE)
: I GOT A 14 DAYS BAN
> [{quoted}](name=Ghordir,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=6amu9MMZ,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-06T19:17:16.927+0000) > > I made a new one, and i get so many honors but in my last game i called some one a %%% and get instant 14 days ban. > WTF is this shit? > Not even a warning? instant %%%%ing ban. Wait, you used a zero-tolerance term and instantly jumped to the harsher end of the punishment ladder for it? Oh dear god! That's...actually fairly ordinary. And wait, you needed a warning to realize that hurling a homophobic slur at a random person you don't know as a form of insulting them is a bad thing? This is saying far more about you than it is about everyone else. > GJ Riot, cause your creating so much sensitive gamers that cannot ear a %%%%ing word and be a man about it. Golly gee, it's almost like words actually mean things or something. Holy victim-blaming, Batman! > I have gay friends, %%% = %%%%% = man the %%%% up. It'd be such a shame if your friends didn't speak or think for every gay person out there or if their tolerance for slurs doesn't mean that slurs aren't slurs, wouldn't it?
: This board is so dumb
> [{quoted}](name=Dividedby0error,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ydg2E5hz,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-04T08:45:41.334+0000) > > God, this community is making me so angry And your overreaction to your wild, vague, disingenuous interpretation of board discourse is supposed to be _our_ problem? Perhaps this is a sign for you to actually _take_ that recommendation to grow up.
Senna MVP (EUW)
: Nope they gave us a mute button for a reason stop being soft and reporting or us flamers can just come back again and again.
Using the mute button implies the damage (if one can call it that) was already done. The report button is to prevent the proponent of the damage from getting away with doing even more damage. That's a _good_ thing. How do we know you don't just say otherwise because such an attitude means you can't get away with flaming any more?
: Offender 1: Verbal abuse Offender 2: Physical abuse thats not what op said. you are dumb
The OP was trying to make a comparison between the ban system and real life, and did so with a real life comparison that wasn't a good parallel with the punishment system and only saw to illustrate that the OP had an axe to grind. I _know_ it's not what the OP said. My point was that what the OP _did_ say was wrong. I would tell you to try reading between the lines a little bit before you go around accusing _other_ people of being dumb, but given your past history with this side of the forum, I feel it'll fall on deaf ears.
: Well i see now that coming to the forums for questions and discussions is just wrong since the community hates itself too much... First and last post here probably since a discussion without hurting feelings is impossible
Ok, no. If the replies you got in this thread are your idea of "hurt feelings", I question why you felt the need to go to a public discussion board to begin with.
: Account suspended for 14 days by automated System (first offence in 8 years!?)
> [{quoted}](name=General Jericho,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=oycfB7fL,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-19T10:54:42.405+0000) > > Now i can't celebrate the 10 year anniversary due to a dumb mistake on my part not knowing an automated system, that bans you instantly for 14 days and does not take context into consideration, existed. So the _system_ is at fault for you telling someone to take their own life, and having a reason to tell someone to take their own life magically means it was ok for you to tell someone to take their own life? You _know_ that's not how this works.
JustTits (EUNE)
: "Dear" mods, if you delete someone's comment
> [{quoted}](name=JustTits,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=cwk8MT5I,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-18T20:10:15.998+0000) > > You should probably delete the other ones that's connected, or the entire conversation. It's an incredibly disgusting move to delete a comment and then just let literally all response to that specific comment stay there as well. Not if the parts that got deleted were the only parts that broke the rules. God forbid people actually act civil even in the face of misbehaviour. > Mainly if you also give out chatbans. The forum moderators and the instant feedback system (the latter of which is the only thing that can give out chat restrictions) aren't the same thing, so this means nothing. > Also, stop being so b*tthurt snowflakes. You guys are being pathetically oversensitive simply by saying that someone else is stupid. I love how you give no indication as to what exchange and subsequent comment deletion even sparked your post to begin with. Pardon me for not exactly trusting you to use "oversensitive" in any meaningful way immediately after whining about people being "butthurt snowflakes". For all anyone can ascertain, the comments that got deleted really _were_ the only ones in the equation that actually broke the rules. Oh, and here's something I noticed that's worthy of a laugh - you call people out for being oversensitive...yet you felt the need to censor the word "butt". 'cause, you know...this is a _classy_ spite post!
: So I guess I need to put out a motivation letter and go in depth on how they've truly and honestly reformed? No one's gonna bite that! Also after being permanently banned you can either quit or make a new account and they decided to quit and it's understandable that they did. Did they learn from it? That's where the honor level 0 kicks in - > if they haven't just issue a permanent ban again. It's not like the system's automated so riot wont break a sweat about banning again. However, if they've learned how to take their frustrations out, their account will 'survive'..
> [{quoted}](name=CurlyBastard,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=X5lneQLa,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-10-18T17:54:10.813+0000) > > So I guess I need to put out a motivation letter and go in depth on how they've truly and honestly reformed? No one's gonna bite that! Yeah, almost as if the act of reformation is for _them_ to do or something. > Also after being permanently banned you can either quit or make a new account and they decided to quit and it's understandable that they did. So why do you care whether or not they get their accounts back? > Did they learn from it? That's where the honor level 0 kicks in - > I'm honestly not sure why you keep bringing this up. Honor level isn't an accurate indicator of behaviour, certainly not when Riot has...you know...the actual behaviour as evidence. All honor indicates is how often people were compelled to click a button and occasionally make a number go up.
: Let everyone celebrate this anniversary
> [{quoted}](name=CurlyBastard,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=X5lneQLa,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-18T11:28:40.632+0000) > > I'm very certain they would rejoin if the bans were lifted. Let's say, enter League before 17th Nov and you'll get your ban lifted! > However I suggest their honor level remains at 0 and a next minor offense will lead to their account being permanently banned again. Riot have already experimented with an idea like that, and hardly any of the players involved in the testing of such a system put in the effort to stop misbehaving. Why should they believe your friends should be any different? You don't even necessarily say that they've even _learned_ anything from being banned, so _that's_ not helping your case. If they really want to come back, there's nothing stopping them from creating new accounts, so long as they don't repeat history.
: league of legends ban system in a nutshell/real life
There, I fixed it. Offender 1: You're ugly! Offender 2: How dare you call me that! (throws a punch) Offender 1: (throws a punch in return) I'm gonna kill you! Policeman: You're both under arrest. Both offenders: But officer! I was just defending myself! Result: Another reminder that two wrongs don't make a right and you should probably take the viewpoints of people clearly bitter at a punishment (like the OP) with a grain of salt.
: Every time I tell the truth to someone about their playstyle, I get chat restricted
> [{quoted}](name=3xtrat3rr3strial,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=KuIJZ0mj,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-12T17:09:02.000+0000) > > So Riot Games, be more precise in the future what you consider offensive. > > When I tell someone that they are a mistake of the nature (and that's true) you penalise me for being honest. Being honest and being a jerk aren't mutually exclusive. You _can_ offer up helpful criticism in a manner that _doesn't_ cause players already under pressure to feel _more_ demoralized. But no, apparently it's easier to just whine, moan and complain while labelling everyone who doesn't play up to your unspoken standard of skill as "trolls".
: 14 days ban for first time flaming?? %%%% Off!
> [{quoted}](name=Anonymous,realm=,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=moBiEaip,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-11T14:20:24.154+0000) > > Never been banned ever for %%%%ing flaming which that noob team deserved because they sucked Profane aggression _and_ an open admission to spite-fuelled flaming of a team, all in one sentence? Gee, wonder why someone as _pleasant_ as you was banned...
: Yeah you might have figured that he already saw the chat logs himself and doesnt need to post them publicly?? its none of your business?
> [{quoted}](name=abusegirls,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=moBiEaip,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-11T14:54:03.505+0000) > > Yeah you might have figured that he already saw the chat logs himself and doesnt need to post them publicly?? its none of your business? You are aware that most of the point of this part of the forum is to have punished players post the chatlogs for the purpose of clarification as to why they got punished in the hopes that they know what kind of behaviour to avoid in the future? Pray tell, how long _have_ you been around on this forum? Because the fact that your comment history only stretches as far back as a single month isn't giving me much hope.
Kissapro (EUNE)
: Since when jewish has been an insult? Its a metaphor for being greedy and caring only about money, Nothing personal to do with Jews OBVIOUSLY.
> [{quoted}](name=Kissapro,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=P6WYAd0f,comment-id=00010000000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-29T09:12:30.483+0000) > > Its a metaphor for being greedy and caring only about money A metaphor for negative characteristics? So, an insult, then. > Nothing personal to do with Jews OBVIOUSLY. So why bring it up in the first place? Don't you even _dare_ pull the wool over our eyes just because you want to worm your way back into people's favour after having squandered your chances at sympathy with your anti-semitic screaming. Take a hint from the fact that the comment you brought it up in was deleted, you will be fighting a losing battle if _this_ is what you're going to spend this thread justifying.
: Why should "I Agree"? EXCUSE ME?!
Mate, calm down. The leaverbuster doesn't issue bans, and hasn't done so for years. The most that'll happen is it'll take longer for you to enter a game, and that's assuming that the problem you had is even a regular occurrence in the first place. Like...good lord, you weren't even technically _punished_ and you still went off on this tirade. Take a chill pill, you'll be fine.
Surma (EUNE)
: It's not me, this filtering system for some reason adds multiple %%% just for no reason in normal words like pink-ward where "war" is filtered out. And guessing you didn't notice this I'd say you spend as much time reading as writing the response.
> [{quoted}](name=Surma,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=olRO5Eo5,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-09-22T15:08:42.303+0000) > > It's not me, this filtering system for some reason adds multiple %%% just for no reason in normal words like pink-ward where "war" is filtered out. Considering that it wasn't filtered in your comment here, are you _sure_ that's what's behind those percent signs?
: You've just proved my point.. {{item:3075}}
Ok. You keep telling yourself that.
: There are people who would understand my points and would at least try to consider them. And there are people who will stubbornly hold onto what they've said because their ego doesn't allow them to actually consider other opinions (you needn't waste time with those people). Judging by your attitude, you indeed are the latter.
Sir, that's a mirror you're talking to. I'm over here.
: Good. Is your psychological analysis over yet? You wanna sound smart so hard that you fail to even make sense. Go do your analysis on yourself because you sure do need it more than us.
You literally said you won't even bother explaining why something is wrong. If noticing that is your idea of "analysis", then...I'm not at all surprised that explaining felt too hard for you.
Red Erica (EUW)
: Inting and leaving unpunished
> [{quoted}](name=Red Erica,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ZpVFGGFq,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-15T12:33:21.998+0000) > > Okay hi, > > you can officially go 0-10-0 with 0,5 deaths per minute and lowest dmg dealt to champions in a ranked game without consequences. Weird, almost as if intentional feeding is only undebatably punishable when the _intent_ is clear. > You can leave as much as you want -> low prio queue. That's still a punishment. > But offensive language BOOHOO! You don't even need to say the really offensive trigger words! Do...do you really need it explained to you that you don't need to be profane in order to come across as unpleasant to your teammates? > If enough people reported you in a small time span, you're gone. Only if you've done something wrong. And it means nothing if by "a small time span" you mean "a single match", since multiple reports are worth just as much as one report precisely to counter that kind of abuse. > And that happens to me because I flame all the degenerated griefers, obviously. You literally admitted in this sentence that you flame. Between this and the below tasteless "mentally ill" remark, why should anyone sympathize with you, even ignoring the fact that your complaint is based on vague anecdotes?
: All other comments are understandable but this one is wrong on so many levels that i won't even bother explaining
> [{quoted}](name=CurlyBastard,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ThbAtjHV,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-09-15T09:36:17.768+0000) > > i won't even bother explaining That says a lot about what mindset your opinion came from, to be frank. Never mind how a lot of what I said was questioning how you could possibly know things such as how you could tell your friend wasn't serious outside of "he's your friend", so the fact that you don't have an immediate answer to this is really telling.
: IFS - incredible %%%%up system?
> [{quoted}](name=CurlyBastard,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ThbAtjHV,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-15T02:33:40.151+0000) > > http://prntscr.com/p68z2a > Been in a 4-man premade game with my buddies. We were messing around and calling each other names in the chat. And people outside of your circle of friends are supposed to tell this playful banter from malicious name-calling...how, exactly? > My friend got a 14-day ban just because someone reported him for that even though you can tell he wasn't serious at all. His words are indeed offensive in a case where the writer MEANS what he writes, this was just a group of friends mocking each other and having fun! Again, it's rather convenient how you never mention _how_ you could tell the player wasn't being serious. The only reason you'd have for saying that is because you know beforehand that the player was a friend of yours. Which people outside of the exchange won't know, obviously. > P.S. Mind you this IFS is the very reason most of the community is getting their permabans. Permabans have been a thing in this game _years_ before the instant feedback system. > This is decreasing the player base in a very unwanted way - permabanned players hop to a new account and troll harder than ever before, and they don't get banned for it! **ROFL** How do you know that? Never mind how account progress and premium purchases are lost with an account ban, so it's not like there _aren't_ still consequences even if players _did_ jump over to another account. > The measure for people who are flaming should just be a goddamn chat ban, it's that simple.. Except it's not. Riot already tried making indefinite chat restrictions the highest form of punishment back in 2014, and all that happened was that people who refused to change their behaviour simply found other ways to ruin matches like intentional feeding and ping spamming. Permanent chat restrictions didn't get rid of the bad behaviour - they _moved_ the bad behaviour.
: Nice system rito
> [{quoted}](name=ShacoOrTaco,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WsnYulQ7,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-15T07:19:56.449+0000) > > So there was a support in 2 of my games in 1st one he played nami. He flamed (didn't use black listed words), He went afk, half of game was afk after he went inting by saying that he will int, after that he went again afk, than he came back spammed random wards near tower and used all spells including flash and R and again went afk. Second game he was in enemy team still playing and again blaming the team and asking to report them. Like the hell he's not banned? Based anecdotally on two matches alone? Just because someone _isn't_ banned doesn't mean that someone _won't_ be banned. > Not toxic people make the game bad (you can mute them) Which only serves to stop further damage to morale, not actually deal with the source of flaming. > Check out my history remember that sup name - if you see him dodge the game. Hmm, a combination of indirect naming and shaming (or at least it would be, were it not for the fact that your match history isn't exactly all that clear as to who you mean) and responding to it by running the risk of low-priority queue? I'm gonna have to pass on that, thanks.
SLS MUSIC (EUW)
: Why i got punished ?
You got punished because you encouraged others to report a player when all you needed to do was wait until the end of the match, _then_ report the player. Given the way reports are counted within a match, the results would've been the same, except this time there wouldn't have been a reason for _you_ to get reported as well.
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: Double standards?(Board behavuiour)
Looking at the thread and combining it with your rather vague post here, I'm left questioning if you even know what a double standard _is_.
Mr 0fficer (EUNE)
: Toxic players are NOT the problem
> [{quoted}](name=Mr 0fficer,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=u3HulYuT,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-11T06:48:01.002+0000) > > Recently i had time to think, and i realized not the toxic community is the problem. Toxic community is just a result, a reaction what players indicate with feed, and unskill playing. I mean...you're right in saying that the toxic portion of the community is a symptom, but you're not accounting for factors like anonymity or people not really valuing their account enough to want to hold onto it - basically, other factors as to why people would be so quick to behave badly regardless of consequences. Feeding and unskilled play is a much smaller factor than that. > Everytime ppl say flame is killing the game, or You make feed with Your flame. I beg Your pardon ?! So what am i suppost to do when You are 9-16 with 55 cs? Stroke your head and say its okay to screw others game ? Or you could simply say nothing and move on with the game if all you feel like saying amounts to unpleasant yelling. Or at the very least, if you _do_ firmly believe the player was intentionally feeding, that's when you report them after the game and move on. And I specify "move on", because if you're otherwise _that_ concerned about the player getting punished, you end up starting to look less like you want justice and more like you want revenge. And that's not a healthy attitude. > And aftell all this You have the nerv to say that, this is my fault ?! Was it anyone else but you who typed flaming messages in the chat? Did anyone force you at gunpoint to take your mind off the game and write bile in the chat? Is there really _no way whatsoever_ that you could have restrained yourself and kept your emotions in check so as to continue playing the game and not make a bad situation worse for other people? The answer is no. _That's_ why people say it's your fault. > And anyway this is just game ? Really ? I mean, what do you _think_ League is? A chatroom with flashy particle effects and increasing numbers? > I loved the old days when in Wow we could kick one of our group member if his/her performance was bad. You not good ? Infact You are @#$ ? Okay no problem, have Your kick and we find another player. Yeah, I mean it's not like MMOs and MOBAs aren't the same genre and thus don't have the same kind of teamwork dynamic as each other, right?
Díào ge (EUW)
: Baiting people to flame must be bannable too
> [{quoted}](name= Díào ge,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=zxOXEU5X,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-10T00:39:14.395+0000) > > Dont waste time on boards trying to prove that ur ban is unjustified , u will get reply by the usual board heros whose only goal is to make you feel worse about your ban Yeah, guys! _Real_ intellectuals waste their time on the boards trying to suggest vague, overbearing, counterproductive alterations to the system that don't take into account that attempting to punish the alleged root cause of bad behaviour could catch innocent behaviour in the crossfire when the flaming is merely the fault of the person in question not knowing how to behave like a decent human being! But man, I sure wish someone had enough of a galaxy cranium to do _that_...
Najibal (EUW)
: IS THAT WORTH 14 days ban ??
> [{quoted}](name=Najibal,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=bB3NcGLK,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-08T15:50:53.237+0000) > > Game 1 > Najibal: muted reported Negativity through announcing intention to mute and report. > Najibal: noob troll kid Insulting. > Najibal: push ur lanes > Najibal: and ward > Najibal: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aggression. > Najibal: noob team Insulting. > Najibal: qiyana facepalm pls Blaming. > Najibal: i ff Negativity. > Najibal: 6 deaths mid > Najibal: 10 bot > Najibal: 0 wrading > Najibal: 0 drak control Negativity. > Najibal: african kids Racist insult. > Najibal: u should ward river > Najibal: u never does Blaming. > Najibal: report qiyana Report-calling. > Najibal: il play at night > Najibal: no kids Negativity/insulting. > Post-Game > Najibal: feed and never shut up > Najibal: is ur moto Insulting/blaming. > Najibal: qiayan reported Report-calling. > Game 2 > In-Game > Najibal: ok ff Negativity. > Najibal: nothing take from u > Najibal: no brains > Najibal: no skill > Najibal: no eyes > Najibal: keep demote > Najibal: with yasuo Blaming/insulting. > Najibal: just trash Insulting. > Najibal: dont want to flame toy > Najibal: but u so brain lagged > Najibal: you not playing > Najibal: is the problem > Najibal: if u teamwork > Najibal: i could be 7- > Najibal: 1 > Najibal: the problem is you > Najibal: not me > Najibal: keep it in ur mind Insulting/blaming. > Najibal: yes > Najibal: stay afk > Najibal: and flame Negativity. (and flaming, ironically) > Najibal: 0 kills solo lets flame Encouraging flaming by way of blaming. > Game 3 > In-Game > Najibal: go surrender Negativity. > Najibal: you guys preff talk like b1tches Insulting. > Najibal: instead playing Blaming. > Najibal: 3 kills supp > Najibal: stfu > Najibal: vs 2000 > Najibal: u just suck > Najibal: and tooked my morale Blaming/insulting. > Najibal: lets ff > Najibal: press yes pls > Najibal: skip > Najibal: ff 20 pls Negativity. > Najibal: poor african Racist insult. > Post-Game > Najibal: skin w4nker team Insulting. In conclusion...GOOD LORD, this was absolutely worthy of a 14-day ban. A lack of punishments beforehand is the _only_ reason I can think of for why this isn't permanent, because simply put, you are _not_ pleasant at all in those chatlogs.
3xample (EUW)
: - "Don't come here again" is negative? How else am I supposed to say I don't want him to gank me? It's literally a request/demand. - Blaming? So what? How is that permaban worthy? - You obviously got an E in English, as you don't know what gloating is, or you haven't played this game long enough to know that honor level one is not good, or your cannot recognise sarcasm (hm maybe you're a ban bot). It was sarcasm, honor level one is obviously not good, so how can that be gloating. - "ks" ok cool that's _definitely_ ban worthy. - Did you read the orginal post? The context? Is this the same E in English? I was defending zed, aatrox was the one threatening to report him. - "either I lose to you...", that's not negativity, I was literally joking around with the other team. - "report aatrox...", this was also a joke, I TPed into their whole team and died. Aatrox died with me, but he didn't TP. It was a **joke** - "report aatrox... x2", again this was a joke Literally the only things I said that were close to or banworthy were "stfu", "%%%" and maybe calling him high. I have no idea why the chat log was that long.
> [{quoted}](name=3xample,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=oALmjPAy,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-09-07T17:18:18.107+0000) > > - "Don't come here again" is negative? Yes. > How else am I supposed to say I don't want him to gank me? It's literally a request/demand. "Please don't gank me", if that's really what you wanted. Though I'm not sure why you'd ever need to say that unless you were having an outburst in the wake of not doing particularly well. > - Blaming? So what? How is that permaban worthy? Because rather than dealing with mistakes, you shift the blame onto your teammates, whether or not it might even be their fault. A general rule of thumb is that if you're making the experience more unpleasant for your teammates, don't act surprised when you get reported. > - You obviously got an E in English, as you don't know what gloating is [Gloating](https://www.google.com/search?q=gloating&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB810GB810&oq=gloating&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.897j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) Adjective dwelling on one's own success or another's misfortune with smugness or malignant pleasure. You were flaunting your honor level like it meant anything against accusations of you being toxic. Who are you trying to fool here? Us or yourself? > or you haven't played this game long enough to know that honor level one is not good, or your cannot recognise sarcasm (hm maybe you're a ban bot). Congratulations, you figured out the hard way that in a medium that by nature doesn't have tone of voice (such as pure text chat), sarcasm doesn't come across easily. I may not have extrapolated the context correctly, yes, but if people aren't able to easily tell that you're being sarcastic, it's not my fault that you came off the way you did. > - Did you read the orginal post? The context? Is this the same E in English? I was defending zed, aatrox was the one threatening to report him. Wonderful job on giving no context to what you're even referring to with this line, and here you were earlier implying in your original post that context mattered or something. And referring back to the very same place where you made that implication, I again reiterate that having a reason to behave the way you did doesn't mean you magically didn't behave the way you did. Nor does it mean that people won't interpret it as bad behaviour. Or in this case, _more_ bad behaviour. > - "either I lose to you...", that's not negativity, I was literally joking around with the other team. If you have to explain the fact that something was a joke, it wasn't worth joking around in the first place. > - "report aatrox...", this was also a joke, You were typing a report-call in the chat. What's the joke? That you acted in the same way as thousands of other badly-behaved players in this game and got seen as such? Comedy _gold_, folks! > Literally the only things I said that were close to or banworthy were "stfu", "%%%" and maybe calling him high. I have no idea why the chat log was that long. Because the things that you don't see as banworthy behaviour you just try to worm your way out of with meaningless excuses and insults in a manner that doesn't fool anyone who's had experience with this playerbase. And I again reiterate that even if those _were_ the only things you said, bad behaviour is still bad behaviour, so you'd still be facing a punishment at this rate, particularly after coming off of a 14-day ban.
3xample (EUW)
: I got perma'd blah blah deserved blah blah perfect system
> [{quoted}](name=3xample,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=oALmjPAy,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-07T16:36:48.810+0000) > > If anyone didn't know, this is a warning of how utterly stupid this system is. You literally admitted to saying a zero-tolerance word, judging by those percent signs. And that was just _one_ of the things you did among you simply being generally unpleasant to your teammates. You really want to convince people after _those_ chatlogs that the _system_ is the problem and not your attitude? > Anything that a bot can't draw context from will get you banned. Having a reason to say awful things to your teammates doesn't magically mean you didn't say awful things to your teammates. > Out of all of this I would say like 3 or 4 of these lines are ban worthy. Considering that the chatlog includes behaviour that can be seen as... > 3xample: are you > 3xample: high Insulting. > 3xample: dont come here again Negativity. > 3xample: %%% Zero-tolerance phrase, regardless of whether you said the one that begins with a k or an f. > 3xample: you missed the first Q > 3xample: you were aiming for mars or something Blaming. > 3xample: stfu Aggression. > 3xample: im honor level 1 > 3xample: how can i be toxic Gloating. (Also, that's not how honors work, all it ultimately means is that a lot of people were compelled to click a button) > 3xample: nice ks Blaming. (to say nothing of the fact that killstealing isn't even a thing in this game, given what the _actual_ objective of matches is) > 3xample: zed has legit said nothing this game So? Also, negativity. > 3xample: either I lose to you or I lose to a %%%%ing orange Negativity. > 3xample: report aatrox TPed into their whole team Report-calling and blaming. > 3xample: report aatrox 9/11 Report-calling. > 3xample: shut up aatrox lol Aggression. > 3xample: how can I be toxic > 3xample: when im honor level 1 Gloating (and the same flagrant misunderstanding as to what honor levels ultimately mean) I mean...I may have only gotten a B in GCSE maths god knows how many years ago, but that looks like _far_ more than just three lines of misbehaviour. Hell, even if it _was_ just three lines like you claim to have spotted, the knack to avoiding punishments isn't to have only three lines of bad behaviour - it's to have _zero_ lines of bad behaviour. > And if anyone wants to say the system works perfectly, No-one ever has. They're just calling misbehaving players out for using the system as a scapegoat for their obviously terrible behaviour. > then why do I encounter so. many. toxic. people. in. games. Well, that depends on what you classify as "toxic". And in any case, if you imply here that you dislike toxicity, why would you want to add to the problem like you did in those chatlogs? Congratulations, you've become the very thing you profess to hate. "He who fights monsters", and all that jazz. > Like they say shit 10x worse than this, I report them and move on. I have a hard time believing that you "move on" if your chatlog shows this much retaliation. > Again, downvote me again idc. Sure, you don't care. As we can tell by the fact that you felt the need to bring it up twice in this post, as if lampshading the inevitability of it all will make it _not_ happen. Suuuuuuure.
: yes those chat restrictions and bans surely make an impact on some players. but wouldnt this work better? i mean all of these players now saw that they were permabanned. there is nothing worse that can happen to the account. i personally think most people would be carefull now if they were to be unbanned. the way i see it is simple. my example would be. oh my god i actually got permed -a year later i get unbanned- my response would be happiness gratitude towards riot. and i would tell myself okay okay i REALLY cant screw up anymore because this is actually the last chance ill ever get
> [{quoted}](name=SoloAkise,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=r1R9bE8x,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-09-07T11:49:20.773+0000) > > yes those chat restrictions and bans surely make an impact on some players. > but wouldnt this work better? You say this in reply to a comment that said Riot already tried doing that. _Obviously_ it doesn't work better. > i mean all of these players now saw that they were permabanned. > there is nothing worse that can happen to the account. And that's supposed to be anyone's problem but their own? The warning message on receiving the 14-day ban _does_ say that the next infraction will cost them their account. > i personally think most people would be carefull now if they were to be unbanned. > the way i see it is simple. > my example would be. > oh my god i actually got permed -a year later i get unbanned- my response would be happiness gratitude towards riot. > and i would tell myself okay okay i REALLY cant screw up anymore because this is actually the last chance ill ever get Good for you, but your thoughts don't speak for the thoughts of the entire playerbase, let alone the segment of the playerbase that behaves badly enough to warrant permabans.
: Riot punishment system is DOGSHIT
> [{quoted}](name=HEHE XD ROFL 69,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Ahi5YiRJ,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-03T15:10:06.089+0000) > > of course he got mad , and has all the right to insult those idiots who ruin all his effort . [Section 5 of the Terms of Use](https://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse#section5) _alone_ renders that a complete myth, even _without_ the added context that his misbehaviour was a lot more worthy of scorn given that he was supposed to be a Riot partner, and thus all the more expected to not behave like that. It's not that the punishment system is bad or that anyone's delusional - it's that people need to learn how to behave properly. > this game is gonna die if u keep that shitty system. People have been saying this as far back as 2013 at the _latest_, and the game hasn't gone anywhere. You aren't fooling anyone with that sensationalist whinging.
LordTig (EUW)
: Game for babies??
> [{quoted}](name=LordTig,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=AA0Z6E8K,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-08-27T13:19:49.721+0000) > > WHY IS THERE NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN ONLINE? Oh, there is. It just doesn't mean you're allowed to say what you want without consequences. Especially not when your complaint stems from behaviour within a privately-owned environment. Your freedom to say what you want is the community's freedom to dislike what you're saying when it ruins the game for them, and by proxy, it's Riot's freedom to act upon the community's dislike and throw you out. And you did agree to the terms of use, so their right to do so has _far_ more than freedom of speech to stand on. By citing freedom of speech as your primary defence, you basically just said that the most compelling reason to not be banned is that you're not literally breaking the law by behaving in the way you did. And I'm sorry, but that's a really flimsy reason.
: a second chance
Riot have already tried unbanning permabanned players, and all that happened was that almost all of them relapsed into the very behaviour that got them permabanned in the first place. Every punishment leading up to the permaban _was_ the second chance. The permaban is there for when you aren't taking a hint from that second chance.
: You can. By living under rock and asking what k*s mean. There was guy who got banned for that. He got his ban lifted.
: Got chat resticted, while I was the victim?
> [{quoted}](name=The Hero Simon,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=nMLfHvVy,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-08-24T22:15:10.431+0000) > Game 1 > The Hero Simon: shut up noob zed Insulting. > The Hero Simon: they are 100% premade and zed just lied aboiut being not XD Blaming. > The Hero Simon: I dont know the fun in disrescecting someone who is 5 elos lower than you, zed Insulting. > The Hero Simon: oke. so you gonna go into our base and type whatever you want? > The Hero Simon: and saying its ok? Blaming. > The Hero Simon: stop being a little hobbit Insulting. > The Hero Simon: also I looked you up zed. You're premade. Nice lie Condescending/blaming. > The Hero Simon: shut up you asshs0ole Insulting/aggression > The Hero Simon: lying to thew end' Blaming. > The Hero Simon: "we aint preamdes" > The Hero Simon: ye I wonder why? > The Hero Simon: maybe cause 2 low level smurfs are being funny Blaming/negativity. > The Hero Simon: just surr plz Negativity. > The Hero Simon: and let us report them Report-calling. > The Hero Simon: Its fking easy to kill bming assholes Blaming/insulting. > The Hero Simon: c'mon zed, are yous cared? > The Hero Simon: cant kill a swain 4 levels lower than yourself? > The Hero Simon: after all that trash talk you can talk back? Insulting/blaming. > The Hero Simon: report them for scirpting and harassments Report-calling. > The Hero Simon: and get the fk out of here Negativity. > The Hero Simon: wow can't even finish after all that trash talk > The Hero Simon: look how bad you guys are > The Hero Simon: so you are intentionally trying to lose+ Blaming. > The Hero Simon: if you dont want to win, then surr or kill yourselves Blaming/negativity/suicide wish. And before you bring up what you said elsewhere in this thread about the suicide wish, I posted another comment regarding why I don't believe you when you say you didn't mean it like that. > The Hero Simon: cant win? > The Hero Simon: so weakj Condescending/blaming. > The Hero Simon: im reporting you guys for intentiponaölly feeding Report-calling. > The Hero Simon: Im seeing you tomorrow Gragas > The Hero Simon: when we both got perma banned Negativity. > Should I be banned for this? Yes. > The entire enemy team constant harassed me, Bmd me. danced on my body, dabbed constantly when killing me. They were both smurfs and super annoying. And does that mean that everything you did in response magically didn't happen in the first place? > I can tell Im cursing a lot, but is this really enough cursing to get me banned? It's only 1 game and I cursed only 5 times. Your chatlog had _far_ more than mere profanity. TL;DR You weren't chat restricted because you were the victim, you were chat restricted because you tried to fight alleged bad behaviour with explicit bad behaviour.
: I meant kill yourselves as in let us get some kills and make the game even. I didn't mean at a life threat. And the enemy team reacted in that way as well.
If you have to explain that you didn't mean it that way, that shines a strong light on whether or not it was worth saying in the first place. Why not just say, "Let's get some kills and make the game even" if that was what you meant? As it stands, it just blends in with every other awful thing you've said in that chatlog and just becomes another example of dreadful behaviour.
: What a garbage player behaviour system
> [{quoted}](name=LL Priprí,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=1IkAobd3,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-08-14T14:26:49.199+0000) > > Riot literally look at what one person says only and not what others say LITERALLY in chat logs. Funny, it's almost as if having a reason to misbehave doesn't make misbehaviour disappear or something.
shameemax (EUW)
: the point is not showing my falts . ok if u say so i will accept.yah im toxic. and they need to punish me as there rules it should be 7 days or 14 days ban before perma ban? wtf is this.
The severity of the punishment isn't for the recipient of the punishment to decide.
: 14 day for 7 chat messanges adn 3 out of context "%%%"
> [{quoted}](name=Joseph Swainlin,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EhV1EEAT,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-08-11T11:25:02.013+0000) > > Edit: You guys are %%%%ing pussies like honestly go play club penguin or some shit if you can't even handle some words like I knew I should have posted this on Reddit and not this brainwashed social justice Riot forum. You edit your post with aggressive claptrap like this, and yet you simultaneously want people to believe that you _didn't_ deserve your ban? Even after openly admitting to repeatedly typing a suicide-wish in-game? You won't be missed.
: RIOT WASHES OUR MONEY WITH THE BANING SISTHEM - PROOF AND ALL
> [{quoted}](name=Lorenzo Wet Whip,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=wAgKEFeB,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-08-10T03:01:22.844+0000) > > The game looks like its focus on winning money and not on the comunity. I mean...even if you _did_ have more to base this on than just, "I'm so mad that I behaved badly and got caught and learned the hard way that actions have consequences", Riot _does_ have to make money through this game somehow to keep it going. > Now, due to the fact that the banning systhem has not been focused on toxic players and afk/trolls but still on banning people with no reason, Not counting your own thread, I can see (as of typing this) _nine_ threads on the New tab of this board from people complaining about being banned for behaviour-related reasons without clicking "show more", and that's if I haven't missed any. Where are you getting this idea that "the banning system has not been focussed on toxic players"? 'cause it sure isn't from any basis in reality. > if they dont like that i chat, they could chat ban But then what do they do if they chat restrict you and you clearly don't make any effort to change your behaviour after basically being told that your way of behaving was not ok? That's when the bans come into play. It's almost as if the punishment isn't for you as the person _being_ punished to decide, or something. > I will make a documentary with theyr shit in order to let the others know on what they spend money (i spend 2k-3k euro on 1st account) and now another 500$ on second (this one, that got perma banned too). The amount of money you spent on this game means nothing. It didn't give people leverage within the punishment ladder back in the days of the voting tribunal, and it doesn't mean anything nowadays. Good luck with that ~~spiteful baseless hit piece~~ documentary, I'm sure...a _handful_ of tinfoil hats will be inclined to listen to what they want to hear. > LETS MAKE THIS THREAD FAMOUS AND LET OTHERS KNOW ABOUT THEYR TRICKS (even if i have a LOTTT of peoples who allready got banned for no reason) Yeah, this thread and the _other_ multitudes of slacktivist calls to action from people who can't own up to the fact that they behaved badly and got caught and thus blame everyone but themselves for their problems! _Do you hear the people sing..._ Oh, and as for the poll, good luck on the court case as well. I'm sure the terms of use _totally_ wouldn't make it a costly, futile pursuit! /sarcasm
Baden (EUW)
: Actually didn't know report-calling was a punishable offense, until I just researched on behalf of your post. It can be difficult to determine when people are report-calling. In this case it's quite obvious at most times. But what about in these examples? Case 1: You simply mention out in the open "people shouldn't take this game personal" after someone just threatened your family or whatever. You're indirectly making people aware that someone just did something verbally offensive, which may make them report him. Case 2: You point out to someone of a rule so he won't break it (again). For example, if someone just announced he has a phone call he needs to do, and you respond with "Sure! As long as you wait until the game is over, it won't be considered afk'ing.". And just afterwards, he does actually go afk in the middle of the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Baden,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EWBs5hhK,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-05T23:57:26.407+0000) > > Actually didn't know report-calling was a punishable offense, until I just researched on behalf of your post. Not really sure how you'd have missed that, given that report-calling has been considered bad behaviour since before even I joined. > It can be difficult to determine when people are report-calling. As difficult as, "this person told other people to report a player and/or openly announced their intention to report in the chat"? I agree, that's _very_ difficult. /sarcasm > In this case it's quite obvious at most times. But what about in these examples? > > Case 1: > You simply mention out in the open "people shouldn't take this game personal" after someone just threatened your family or whatever. You're indirectly making people aware that someone just did something verbally offensive, which may make them report him. "May". Doesn't mean "will". And even if it does, it wouldn't really lead to a punishment, since the whole reason why report-calling is punishable is because at most, it breaks down team morale and reveals that the person calling for reports is a spiteful individual with an axe to grind, which the communication in this scenario (at least by itself) does not show. > Case 2: > You point out to someone of a rule so he won't break it (again). For example, if someone just announced he has a phone call he needs to do, and you respond with "Sure! As long as you wait until the game is over, it won't be considered afk'ing.". And just afterwards, he does actually go afk in the middle of the game. This scenario is only far-removed from an obvious example because it has nothing to do with report-calling (at least, going by your specific wording, now that I read Zanador's take on it), and more to do with someone ignoring the game's attitude towards afkers in the face of external circumstances. I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make here.
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