Mačka (EUW)
: ***
At what point did i intentionally feed? At what point did i blame my jungler for not ganking? And at what point did i say that i played this toxic every game? Yes i occasionally - like most other players - have games where i tilt and go a little more toxic than i'd like, but by no means am i toxic every game, far from actually. Do u know what splitpushing is? U want us - as a full AD team - to teamfight a comp that will GUARANTEED destroy us 5v5, no we need to pick fights that we can win, try to split them up and take towers in other ways than fighting them. Yes this may cost me my life, but it also draws pressure into toplane which is worth it. past 0/10, im worth just about nothing, so im basically applying pressure without giving them anything in return. Why do u think proxy singed works? Cus you get strong, u apply pressure and past 0/6, u give them nothing in return for killing and wasting their time chasing you, this works the same. Now I agree, i was toxic and i should be punished for it, but not permaban. If i was inting, then yes, it'd be permaban worthy, but i wasn't. Everyone has gone 0/15 at some point, should they be permabanned too?
Mačka (EUW)
: ***
Like i previously stated, i HAD to play super aggressive. Obviously I don't play this game that much anymore, at least not atm, and i was very tilted, but this kind of game should not warrant a permanent ban. If you look at their team composition, there is no way we would be able to teamfight them with malphite there, furthermore, i had to play super aggressive in early game BEFORE malph got to stack full armor. I got punished for it, and therefor my score became what it was. You also said a chat restriction wouldnt punish my behaviour - what behaviour exactly are you referring to? Me playing bad? Since when is a bad game against the TOS, yes i was toxic, but not toxic to an extend that warrants a perma-ban. I don't think you understand the extend of the punishment, i was PERMANENTLY banned on an account i spent 5 years playing on. I had every champion, 20 runes pages, i was diamond or above on several occassions and now it's all gone because i played bad in this one game and was somewhat "toxic" for the past 1 month. The weird part is, i've played the exact same for the past 2 years without any bans, so what's up with that, how do you explain that? :)
Mačka (EUW)
: ***
Like i previously stated, i HAD to play super aggressive. Obviously I don't play this game that much anymore, at least not atm, and i was very tilted, but this kind of game should not warrant a permanent ban. If you look at their team composition, there is no way we would be able to teamfight them with malphite there, furthermore, i had to play super aggressive in early game BEFORE malph got to stack full armor. I got punished for it, and therefor my score became what it was.
: > [{quoted}](name=DJ Grum,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=NsaWvZkG,comment-id=000200000001000100000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-04T22:14:59.425+0000) > > I accepted their system back in 2011 when i started playing league, back when it wasn't an automated system, but actually real human beings (REAL PLAYERS, PEOPLE THAT PLAYED THE GAME EVERY DAY) that decided who was punished and who wasn't. > > Now it's just robots designed to ban people controlled by a f*cking algorithm And that algorithm is learning from the community what is acceptable and what isn't aka it is still quite controlled by human beings. Also you did threaten to intentionally feed in those chat logs.
Yet, i never did. So if i say, dude im gonna murder this guy, but never do it, i should be punished as if i HAD done so? Makes sense. I provided u with evidence, so if you actually care, you'll watch it and see for yourself :) http://www.replay.gg/search/euw/DJGrum
: The community actually decides what is tolerable and what isn't, you apparently crossed that line and got punished, your reply just now is using non-relate-able examples, your logic is flawed as well. If for example I am toxic but all I get is 10 chat restrictions, that doesn't help, I would just think: Oh hey another 10 game chat restriction, let's play them out, act good for a while and go back to being toxic. That is why there are different punishments. You may have not been banned before because no one or barely anyone reported you, but if they do the system will search your history (Or track you for a while) and find that you have been quite toxic for a long time and decide that you should be punished with a 14 day ban. Plus you are not being a tiny bit toxic but quite toxic to my opinion.
So what holds riot back from permanently chat restricting my account? If I then start intentionally feeding in my games in order to troll or whatever, THEN they can permaban me. I'm not intentionally feeding ever, so why would they not just perma-chat restrict me? boom, job done, i will never be able to flame again.
: >Name 1 other game, where this kind of behaviour would get me permabanned, I dare you. that dosnt matter. you agreed to riots rules and what they consider toxic. you said okey to it and accepted it. Crying now that their system is flawed is wrong. then why did you accept it in that case?
I accepted their system back in 2011 when i started playing league, back when it wasn't an automated system, but actually real human beings (REAL PLAYERS, PEOPLE THAT PLAYED THE GAME EVERY DAY) that decided who was punished and who wasn't. Now it's just robots designed to ban people controlled by a f*cking algorithm
Hansiman (EUNE)
: The punishment does fit the crime, since there is a difference in how quickly punishments act out. If you're using racial slurs, wishing cancer upon people, and issuing death threats, you can find yourself permabanned quite quickly, and even without getting any prior punishments or warnings. You say you've played the game for over 2 years, and your behaviour hasn't chanced. That indicates that you've been punished multiple time for your behaviour, and given a lot of time to reform and improve. Since you have not done anything, but instead decided to ignore every single warning and keep behaving as you did, there's no alternative but to permanently remove you from the game.
Again you fail to read, jesus christ. Have you even read the post? I've been playing the game for 5 years, of those 5 years, my past 2 ½ years have been ban-FREE. Now all of a sudden in the span of maybe 1 month, i get 2 bans, ONE of which is permanent. This is without any sort of behaviour change. I would really enjoy this conversation, if you could show me the courtesy of actually READING my posts, before commenting with thoughtless BS.
: I can tell you one thing. If you don't say anything in chat, there's nothing in chat that you can get banned for. You are free to do what you want, but before you start trolling, ask yourself if you don't have anything better to do than your time and the time of 9 strangers somewhere in Europe.
Oh im not trolling, I was being sarcastic ;) I'm definitely not going to passive troll without the system noticing it, cus that's actually possible. It's only if you open ur mouth and badmouth the trollers u get banned.
: since we got the automated system instead of the tribunal banning players have become way more efficient. Personal feelings aren't involved any more. It goes way waster to get people banned now and the amount of unfair bans or people getting away with toxic behaviour has drasticly descreased. So I wouldnt say it has gotten worse. Ofc it happens that someone gets an unfair ban. but thats like a .001% chance of happening. But in your case, thats certaintly not the case as you showed passive agressive/negative attitude
Ye, i showed passive aggressive attitude, but i wasn't intentionally feeding, so why not just chat restrict me permanently?
Hansiman (EUNE)
: With your attitude, you'll see yourself keep getting banned over and over again. Tell me, is that really worth it? When the vast majority of players play the game without ever getting punished, because they don't treat other people poorly; could you not entertain the notion that you are the problem here, and not the system? The system punishes you based on player submitted reports and identifying your behaviour as abusive. Your log clearly shows that you are breaking the rules, so there's no reason to pretend you didn't do anything wrong.
Maybe you should read the post one more time before commenting again, i already stated that i was in the wrong, but a ban of this character for actions like mine are in the wrong aswell. You don't punish someone for stealing a lollipop with a 16-year sentence, just like u do not punish a murderer with a 2 month sentence. The punishement should equal the crime, therefor your logic is beyond flawed. Yes I am indeed breaking the rules, but i'm not being toxic in a way that should get me permabanned. Racial slurs, wishing cancer upon people, etc. is what USED to get people permabanned before the automated system, now, you get permabanned for even being the tiniest bit toxic. They're trying to protect people form the internet. Name 1 other game, where this kind of behaviour would get me permabanned, I dare you.
: Maybe your behaviour became slightly worse at a rate that you didn't notice that your behaviour changed. Or maybe you were very lucky the past two and half years and you didn't get caught by the system. I don't know. But it doesn't even matter here. But what I know for sure, is that when you get caught be the system once it is easier to get other punishments following up the first punishments, as the system knows even less tolerance than before you got caught.
I have a brilliant idea, ill go on my smurf and see how long i can hidden troll for without saying a word in chat before i get banned for the first time, that'll be fun.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: It's not a case of what you think your behaviour warrants. It's a case of what the majority of the community feels. And the majority of the community says that you behave in an unacceptable manner, and you have done so for an extended period of time, since you are now permabanned for it.
Nah the reason i'm permabanned is an automated system instead of the tribunal, very simple. Riot simply stopped putting effort into the things that matter.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > Where exactly do you see me insulting someone? Right here: > DJ Grum: but ur simple brain cant fathom this
When you have 3 idiots telling you to stop feeding over and over, when they do not understand what is actually going on, you get annoyed. Ofcourse I will tell them off, they were insulting me, so I insulted them back. U can do that in other games, so why exactly are people so thinskinned in league of legends? They blame and annoy others, but if u react and tell them back, you get banned,
Hansiman (EUNE)
: You can get permabanned for even milder behaviour if you're consistent enough with it. And remember, while the log does not display it, what you say in champion select and the post game screen is also part of the punishment. And no, 70% of the community does not behave like you. 70% of the community do not insult others. You might perceive it like that since you are prone to insulting others, making it more likely that people will respond to you. I, however, don't insult people ingame, so it is actually rare that people insult me. People tend to treat me the same way I treat them, with respect. If you don't show people respect, don't be surprised that you'll get none in return.
Where exactly do you see me insulting someone? My team was telling me to stop feeding, when that simply wasn't possible. Seeing the matchup, I knew what i had to do to win it, there was no other option, but to play super aggressive and hope for the best. This did not pay off, as i was hardcamped early without any help from my jungler. Meanwhile kha'zix kept being passive aggressive towards me, so i replied. You're seeing logs from one perspective, without the ability to see what they were telling me ingame. In this game alone, there were 3 other players far worse than me JUST on my team. You can even watch the replay and see for yourself http://www.replay.gg/search/euw/DJGrum
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > sometimes i do show a bit of negative behaviour in chat, but most people do this, so why was i permanently banned for it. Because despite what you think, most people don't behave like you do, so most people don't get punished for their behaviour. Most people have self-control. --- > I know that everyone on the forums are always knights in silver armor that never flame, when in reality most of them do tilt and do show toxci tendancies, just like myself. I admit it, but a lot of people on here will pretend that they do not. Attacking and insulting people here on the boards isn't really making us think that you are generally friendly. You were punished due to your behaviour, that's the reality of things. There's no reason to be rude towards others here.
How is this being rude? It's simply a fact, that on here, you can be completely coolminded. You're not put in a position where emotions might kick in and therefor, you can act as if you're a god amongst men. I seriously doubt, that every single person pretending to be non-flamers in this debate, are actually non-flamers. Heck i don't even consider myself a flamer, i just consider myself a little negative sometimes. Obviously i should be punished, i definitely agree, but a permaban for behaviour like this, just seems like an overkill.
: We are not talking about other people's behaviour here, but about your behaviour. Truth is, your behaviour is not acceptable and because you did ignore the warnings you got in the past, you got a permanent ban. The behaviour system and the intentional feeding system are totally seperate systems, so it's not possible that you got banned because you had just one bad game.
The system is flawed. If my behaviour was ban worthy, how does that explain me not getting a single punishement for 2 ½ years prior, and then suddenly in the span of a month, i get destroyed? How does that make sense?
Hansiman (EUNE)
: Because one game is enough to show you that your behaviour isn't acceptable. Generally the game that is sent to you for permabans will be the last game you played before you got banned. There's no need to send you multiple logs since that is there for reformation to avoid getting punished on this account in the future. Since the ban is permanent, there's no reformation for it. It's simply unwanted, and the one log you get is enough to show you this.
So this kind of behaviour was permaban worthy? Alright... I guess 70 % of the league community should be permabanned in that case xD
: That doesn't change anything about the fact that your ban is justified.
And how can you know, that the ban was justified? You don't know me and you also don't know my past game, the only piece of evidence you have, is this chatlog. My question was, read this chatlog and tell me, if this kind of behaviour is permaban worthy and u start making assumptions. Get lost if you're not gonna answer the question i asked.
D4RKEVA (EUW)
: Did you get chat restrictions? because these are the Pre stages Also being nice for 2 1/2 years dont change you being extremely negative in the past time
I already stated that nothing has changed in my behaviour for the past 2 ½ years whatsoever. ... And yes, ofcourse i tilt like everyone else and yes, sometimes i do show a bit of negative behaviour in chat, but most people do this, so why was i permanently banned for it. I know that everyone on the forums are always knights in silver armor that never flame, when in reality most of them do tilt and do show toxci tendancies, just like myself. I admit it, but a lot of people on here will pretend that they do not.
D4RKEVA (EUW)
: Did you get chat restrictions? because these are the Pre stages Also being nice for 2 1/2 years dont change you being extremely negative in the past time
I already stated that nothing has changed in my behaviour for the past 2 ½ years whatsoever.
: Hey, Permabans are not handed out for only one bad game. They are the result of showing consistent behaviour that is considered toxic. Your chatlogs here are toxic. Not to an extreme level but they are still very negative. The permanent ban is not the result of only this last game, but a result of multiple games and warnings, chat restrictions and a 14 days ban. You ignored these warnings and didn't change your behaviour and this is the result of it. I'm sorry to tell you, but you will never get your account back. If you got any other questions I'm willing to answer.
It's not like I care that much about getting my account back, I'm just curious as to why i'm being permanently banned for minisciple toxic behaviour, when there are players that get away with lowkey toxic behaviour that just cannot be tracked, such as intentionally ruining games without speaking in chat, trolling and such. I have an idea as to why i was banned, which is just hilarious when you think about it. I was 0/14 something at the end of the game and that is most likely why, I was not intentionally feeding, but i most likely was banned for exactly that. Oh the irony.
: You should already have received multiple warnings/punishments before this permanent ban. So it was not this one game.
Well, then explain to me why there was only 1 game showing up on the ban chart? Yes i was punished 1 month prior to this with a 14 day ban, but before that, i was ban free for 2 ½ years. I haven't changed my behaviour now, compared to those 2 ½ years, so what's different? Why am I suddenly getting permabanned now and not then?
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iTaLenTZ (EUW)
: Account discrimination
I literally got banned just now, 5 minutes after a game in which i kinda fell off the path of being non-toxic. I don't know why, but all it literally requires is one fucking game of you being angry with someone, and BAM, you get ben'd or restricted. At least so it is on my main. I feel like this is completely retarded, as i see people whom flame every single game, and nope, they don't get banned... It's dumb as shizz
Neojr (EUW)
: When will this "ban madness" end?
I've experienced the same, it's completely stupid. Players getting restricted completely due to completely unreasonable reasons. If you've been punished before, you can be sure to recieve another punishement, simply because there's no tribunal anymore. It's an AI handing out restrictions which is dumb. You can get restricted for just about anything now...
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