: Permaban experiment in EUW too?
Well know , the biggest fact people have is an experiment run years ago in Na they have no data on euwserver and I do believe people are able to improve and has a reward the could have their account pardon one last time
Shiofu (EUW)
: Low levels are overrun by toxic smurfs
Sweetheart that's riots way of doing things they don't care, if the flamers Go on to propagate hate in lower levels as long as they keep buying rp. The things they hate on new players which then learn the basis of flame which then flame and get banned and then they are permanently banned and restart the cycle. Riot is the brightest company ever, one good way of stoping that I to deny any competitive ranking to flaming players, if they were high plat the would lose it simple
: Feels bad dude but riot is not the problem. the problem is the people that report you knowing that could give you a perma. we should all stop reporting each others and enjoy the flame and the toxicity, only way to defeat this trash company usless system.
> [{quoted}](name=Chanpurü,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=klgbHzBA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-30T18:49:22.222+0000) > > Feels bad dude but riot is not the problem. > the problem is the people that report you knowing that could give you a perma. > we should all stop reporting each others and enjoy the flame and the toxicity, only way to defeat this trash company usless system. Lol I got banned I'll make sur withers get banned to so riot eventually will have to change the permabann sistem they said pointing a person score was considered harass if they are feeding then i know report everything every little thing
Mason (EUW)
: After 6 years of never getting any sorts of bans, I just got perma banned.
Yah man unfortunately riot doesn't care about the players they care only for the money, data why you are free to get new account and play even though you can be toxic. Happen to me 8 year acc 820 euros in over 200 skin riot just told me "can't do shit"literally they don't like abnning they must Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla we Gona scamm your money then ban your account
: Basically for this : Electronic jihad: GET RAPED BY A SQUID Electronic jihad: I will murder u till u die Electronic jihad: I ll decapitate you Electronic jihad: and piss on your hate Electronic jihad: head You don't have to make death threats and please stop using words like rape . Use cuddle the noddle or something like that I recommend you to use good historical jokes at least because no one gets them.
Plague in you village, Welp most European thing to say
: Human patience has a limit
I didn't went go near dat level and I got permabanned while u got 10 days enjoy
: > [{quoted}](name=Danitao,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=xuo2mE6W,comment-id=00070000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-28T12:20:37.354+0000) > > What about all i had in teh account > > i has final request asked for info on how much i used in league it 820 euros(of course he was in th span of 8-9 years). > Riot if they cant give the account they should give me my stuff back What about all the players that had to deal with you? Stop always thinking about you.
And what about the players that i had to deal with in 8 years, the stuff ive seen. I am gona thinka bout me, if i think there should be another way to recover a banned account its my opinion
: > [{quoted}](name=Danitao,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=xuo2mE6W,comment-id=0007000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-27T17:37:47.040+0000) > > So what what? > > You are not making any sense. I think I've explained my point pretty nicely, you prove u can be good riot gives your account back with the compromise is you being good from now on No.
Why is it tell me your point. to see if i get it
: > [{quoted}](name=Danitao,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=xuo2mE6W,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2019-06-28T17:05:52.002+0000) > > Well youre unfaithfull, have you given up on hope to say people cant change? > > Second and foremost you kidding me, i flamed yes and are you saying is that only becasue i flamed before,i well keep flaming from now on > > On your enlighted coment theres a lot of things wich i have to diseagree > 1-Human nature searches for change. > 2-Most of the times i flamed i almost never started but i did follow up(my fault) > 3-Understand it. > 4- Yes i was, i got a lot of them from season 2 warnings i think is season 3 i got banned over a month i think > 5 I know riot banned ,and my idea its not idiotic, dont belittle my ideia like i know its not perfect but theres always place for improvement. > > I though even if my idea wouldnt pass, it might just have soemthing on it that could be use for another maybe better idea Yup, people can change. Yet again, this question : so what? Forgive, but do not forget. A murderer will always be a murderer, even decades after his last murder. Same for flamers.
Well if the murderer change can u still call him a murderer ? if he becomes savior do you still have the right to hold its new self because if what he ahs done in the past? No, dont look at past dont live in the past and search for the future
: First you have to understand how legal contracts work. Upon signing up to LOL (when you create your account), you agree to the terms of service (TOS). It's basically a legal contract. If you break the contract in any way (that leads to a punishment), you will lose all rights to said account. A second thing you have to understand is how ownership of digital goods works. You basically don't OWN anything. When you give your money to Riot games, you're renting things. The account is NOT yours. Nor is the content on it. You are allowed to have access to certain things, depending on the money you spend. So these two things combined, will lead to the following thing : You break the contract, your access to said account will get restricted (depending on the punishment tier - up to a perma ban, which means permanent loss of rights). Your contract gets cancelled. Players tend to think that bans are something personal. They are not. Nobody is "mad" at you, or holding you hostage on "permaban-island". Your "contract-folder" gets deleted basically, and you don't exist any more - linked to said account. In case you get an ID ban, you're refused access to all Riot content, but this is VERY rarely the case. -> hence there are an INFINITE amount of SECOND CHANCES, in the case of 99.9% of the playerbase. Your old account is over, the contracts aren't remade. You can however create a new account and enjoy the same "RENTED" content - which is exactly what you did. This is how the legal part of the game works. I know that younger players fail to understand how this works, or the importance of respecting the terms of a legal contract - hence the confusion. Everything in life, that has a contract in it - works like this, be it phone company, internet provider, you name it. Difference is, IRL you have much worse consequences. This is why I'd prefer if LOL was 18+, so people understand the concepts described by me, and the gravity of breaking a legal agreement. My 2 cents.
Thanks a lot for the explanation, i am over 18 but i never really looked at it has a contract. But understand has a player i lost alot.
: > [{quoted}](name=Danitao,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=xuo2mE6W,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-26T19:40:38.795+0000) > > There should be a way to retrieve permabanned accounts flagged by toxic and flaming behaviours. > > So i was permabanned about 2 months ago i deserved it no point in lying , and since then i have severely altered my toxic behaviour on a alternative account account and became a better player. > My proposition is that riot should have system wich permabanned players could get on an alternative account, and they would have to raise said account to **level 5 honor**, the player would contact player support for a second chance, then riot would proceed to take a sample of the chat log and if everything was okay riot then would unlock the account with a final warning this the last chance if you were caught flaming and harrassing you would ge imediately and forever banned > > I say this why, i never really though about my behaviour until i was permabanned, that really struck me hard ,seeign i was about to lose and account wich i i had since pre-season 2**(yeah i been here since then)** and of course i had money into it for skins and so on. > Only then i reallised "i messed up hard" and so after that and has so many players there are some of us that have changed the way we play and act in hopes of getting a second chance. > > Its for me and those who have really changed wich i bring this proposition,since taking an accounto to level 5 honor takes time and its a way to prove you really have changed your meantality. > > Remember sometimes you only realise what you were doing wrong until its to late its, and people deserve a second chance if they can prove they have changed, everyone is able to change if theres hope in the end. 1.People don't change. You might be surpressing what is inside you, but you do not change. 2.NO! My time, and my nerves, that you wasted, if you flamed me, cannot be given back, you were toxic to me for example, and I had bad experience. For a perma bann, that was a lot of people. Who will give them their nerves back Huh ?!?! Can you undo what you did to the people you made feel bad that day. By NO MEANS I have to experience anything bad because of you, you are nobody, you are not paying me to get bad experience, you do not have the right to be toxic to me. So addios accountos. 3.It is not your account. It is RIOT's account. If they decide to suspend it, they are in their full right. 4.You were warned a couple of times, it was not out of the blue. 5.You are the type of people that state that Riot never bann, you wont get banned if you troll,flame or w/e, and then come over the forum with idiotic idea of having a second chance for toxic people. Dagger Not Found Over and Out{{sticker:katarina-love}}
Well youre unfaithfull, have you given up on hope to say people cant change? Second and foremost you kidding me, i flamed yes and are you saying is that only becasue i flamed before,i well keep flaming from now on On your enlighted coment theres a lot of things wich i have to diseagree 1-Human nature searches for change. 2-Most of the times i flamed i almost never started but i did follow up(my fault) 3-Understand it. 4- Yes i was, i got a lot of them from season 2 warnings i think is season 3 i got banned over a month i think 5 I know riot banned ,and my idea its not idiotic, dont belittle my ideia like i know its not perfect but theres always place for improvement. I though even if my idea wouldnt pass, it might just have soemthing on it that could be use for another maybe better idea
: You do not need to _prove_ you deserve a second chance - you are able to make a new account, but the old one is still gone because that is punishment given out for the toxic incident. Riot gives you the means to turn over a new leaf and absolve yourself by starting over with a new account. This is not a way to win your old account back and that should never be your aim. Your aim is to become a better person, not reverse a punishment.
What about all i had in teh account i has final request asked for info on how much i used in league it 820 euros(of course he was in th span of 8-9 years). Riot if they cant give the account they should give me my stuff back
Danitao (EUW)
: A Second Chance To Change!!
Sadly althought this post spark some (healthy)discussion its not nearly enought to catch riot employees atention wich would be a huge step , because i really and trully believe in the ideia i just got might be a good solution.
Danitao (EUW)
: A Second Chance To Change!!
Well second attempt at contacting riot failed, always same thing they say we cant do anything really sad
Sadixs (EUW)
: Those smurf accounts ...
smurfing wich is somethign that affects othe rpeople negatively riot aproves of
Naaz18 (EUW)
: I can tell you that Riot is going really soft on players. I was stupid enough to flame my teammates to infinity because they didn't play as good as I expected. And a year or 2 ago I got 14-days ban. That was a cold shower for me, to realise I'm overstepping the boundaries. Sometimes I find my head in the clouds again and kind of flame, but I'm trying to control myself as much as possible so I don't get banned. I would feel sorry for all the years spent on the account plus all the skins that I have. I simply uninstalled when I felt it was too much. If a player was banned permanently, there must have been a hella good reason.
Well I didn't stop at the 14 day ban had to push it justa little farther. "I went full %%%%%% u never go full %%%%%%" Movie quote can't remember But yes I was quite the heavy flamer saying words I didn't know the full meaning which might have landed in a kinda very bad spot
: > [{quoted}](name=Danitao,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=xuo2mE6W,comment-id=00070000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-27T16:24:57.974+0000) > > 2 months is a start what I really want is the long run, u start things little by little till they become natural, for 2 months I've been " a beacon in battle" always ready to help, but I want that feeling for longer until I can proudly say this I am no longer the person who would flame and harrass in game Good for you. But we keep going to the same point : So what?
So what what? You are not making any sense. I think I've explained my point pretty nicely, you prove u can be good riot gives your account back with the compromise is you being good from now on
: > [{quoted}](name=Danitao,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=xuo2mE6W,comment-id=000700000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-27T15:15:47.319+0000) > > So what? Have you even read what i said, or understood the point i tried to pass? > > Then people who could prove they had changed could get one last chance, simplier like so Yup. You want a special reward for behaving like a normal human being for 2 months. What about no?
2 months is a start what I really want is the long run, u start things little by little till they become natural, for 2 months I've been " a beacon in battle" always ready to help, but I want that feeling for longer until I can proudly say this I am no longer the person who would flame and harrass in game
: >The thing is I might be greedy to try change the whole system only because something happened to me, but with all honesty if someone can prove they have changed and improved and can keep on with the new improved mentality, what would be the big problem of giving them final chance? It's not greedy. There's always room to challenge things (if done correctly of course), provided we all accept the fact that it may not necessarily slide in our favour. Side note: I'm glad your behaviour has improved though, if anything this back and forth indicates that you've become incredibly reasonable. Whilst that may not have been the case in the past, I feel that is worth highlighting here.
Thanks a lot it really means a lot to mean that other people also can see the difference, so I am no just "lying to myself about getting better" I took it up has personnel challenge but getting someone to tell me he can see the difference is very important for me.
: Permabanned players - Second chances.
Well maybe people are starting to understand how flawed is the system how unrefined it is, and some times what failure it becoms. What type system says well you got banned now then go start a new game in a new account and keep doing what you like.
: > [{quoted}](name=Danitao,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=xuo2mE6W,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-27T13:43:00.778+0000) > > I have I spent the last 2 months I proving upon myself and only then I came up with this idea in order to maybe try to save a few people who really regret what they did So what?
So what? Have you even read what i said, or understood the point i tried to pass? Then people who could prove they had changed could get one last chance, simplier like so
: >But I want to believe there place for improvement from the players and also the system that could lead to a better more healthier community I do too, trust me :). And the system **_does_** need improvement, I'm not here to argue against that at all. I just believe that there needs to be a line drawn somewhere, and a heavy consequence applied if people choose to ignore the previous warnings in forms of restrictions and 14-day bans. Edit: Whether that be adding another, longer ban stage, or tweaking the current options, or a complete system overhaul, then whatever really. I just believe that there's always going to be a place for the "perma"
Yes, in my case I didn't know the follow up was a permabann after the 14 days warning. I know claiming not knowing it was the last chance,it's not a reason. The thing is I might be greedy to try change the whole system only because something happened to me, but with all honesty if someone can prove they have changed and improved and can keep on with the new improved mentality, what would be the big problem of giving them final chance? You all pointed facts which I understand, weres the heavyness of the perma bann if it can be removed, the heavyness I l Is in logging on seeing you permabanned ( my hearth stopped)and understanding you messed up hard u really just shot yourself in the foot there. After that if there's a way to get it back I can only talk for myself I would do my absolute hardest to get it back and sometimes it only requires a bit o faith and lot improvement ;)
: So, what is a practical difference between unbanning the account and the transfer of the content? Because they seem like the same thing for pretty much all practical purposes.
One is that, in one u can hopefully keep the account you worked for so long with all the stuff, the second I s way to not "lose" the money you invested in the game
: I envy your optimism whilst I wollow in my pessimism and existential dread. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} I mean, results may vary for sure, I'm just basing my thoughts off previous similar iterations, albeit shorter.
I understand you're talking facts, because something similar happen the level 30 challenge, you base your opinion around what happened, and its logical I can see your point. But I want to believe there place for improvement from the players and also the system that could lead to a better more healthier community
: As I said, I understand the premise. I just believe removing the consequence, or having the potential to remove the consequence, means it carries a loss less weight, and doesn't convey the message as well, opening to repeat offenders. Again, understand, just don't agree with because I don't trust human nature.
Don't trust human nature trust then human potencial that is limitless the thing is what I propose I a once kinda of thing which means it will only work once and no more
: I understand the difference, but my _personal_ opinion here is you're just running the same program, with a longer time schedule attached to it. I dont _personally_ think it would yield any different results.
The thing is you need to get honors in game in order to rise in the levels of honor it's not a guarantee you get honored so you always have to try your best in every game to maximize the chance of getting said honor. Levels if you play the game you eventually will arrive at destined point has with other if you don't work for it you won't get there
: Regret doesn't undo what has happened. The player is punished for the actions they have done. Improving your behavior should incorporates the recognition of _why_ you were punished and how the punishment is fair. A person who had reformed understands that their account is gone.
Well you thank godI am a stubborn guy I think there should be way to prove u deserve another chance that's my stance if you don't like or think otherwise who I am to judge you.
: > [{quoted}](name=Danitao,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=xuo2mE6W,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-06-27T13:31:03.325+0000) > > Well,my toxic mindset lead me to take action like flame bad harrass people in game, now dat I am trying a different perspective maybe the results are different ? Maybe I can change and by someway show some improvement in my behaviour? Then go ahead and create a new account.
I have I spent the last 2 months I proving upon myself and only then I came up with this idea in order to maybe try to save a few people who really regret what they did
: >Remember sometimes you only realise what you were doing wrong until its to late its, and people deserve a second chance if they can prove they have changed, You're right. _But people already do get a second chance._ It's incredibly rare to be escalated to an immediate permanent ban. Almost all players hit a 14-day day ban before they are escalated to a perma. ------ Riot have also actually tried something similar to your suggestion in the past, I believe, not so much with honour levels (as they weren't a thing then), but as it was leveling from 1-30 without infringments on a new account. IIRC, very few actually made it to level 30, and a large portion of those that did reverted to their behaviour, once the consequence of their previous actions had been "lifted". It's, unfortunately, the same for most similar trials they run. I'm not saying that people can't reform, it happens frequently. However, remove the consequence of the previous actions, and certain behaviours tend to re-emerge within the majority. It's one of those "you've made your bed, now lie in it" situations. It sucks, but it serves as a reminder to keep your behaviour honourable.
The thing is can hard grind in a month an account to level 30, but to get level 5 honor, first you to be honored in games and not every game u win honors so you would have to try in game to be s better person in order to have as many honoors possible
: I have been here since season 1, dont see how that's relevant... I have had a few accounts main one being 7 years before me being an ass ruined that funfair, anyway... if people got their accounts back it wouldnt be a "perma ban" a more interesting idea would be if you was able to transfer all your champs, skins, wards etc from your banned account to a new account for a price... id pay for that...
Well, I agree in the fact we should be able to transfer stuff from one account for the other but I think a permabann is a very overboard punishment. Permabann would be only in cases of third partie softwares,hacking and scripting. And for verbal abuse and so on riot should just install a 500 game chat restricted.
: Your second chance is you being able to make a new account. Your original account was banned because you were toxic. The punishment was because of the actions you purposefully took at that time. If the punishment gets taken away, then what about your toxic actions? Suddenly it never happened? No. It did happen and that is why the punishment is there. It is as clear as that. You were punished for your actions, not your mind set. Stop trying to abuse "give me a second chance" when you really mean "I am only sorry I lost my account".
Well,my toxic mindset lead me to take action like flame bad harrass people in game, now dat I am trying a different perspective maybe the results are different ? Maybe I can change and by someway show some improvement in my behaviour?
Neny (EUNE)
: Riot Please give us old Katarina !!
Nah they won't go back look at old fiora a complete beats of champion crushing any lane it was in l, people rioted it so rito made her even more broken now ;)
Danitao (EUW)
: A Second Chance To Change!!
Well I don't know why so many refuse the idea of us humans changing after coming to conclusion or after something big has happened. We're able to adapt and evolve given a second chance under the right circumstances. This little faith it's bad should you just accept things has they are or should you strive to make them better ?
CJXander (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Danitao,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=xuo2mE6W,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-06-26T22:40:19.548+0000) > > Well I respect your opinion but to my defense I didn't know it went from 14 days to perma unfortunately if I knew I might have changed, second I've been playing for 2 months toxic free. 2 months without flaming and harrassing because If there's hope there's always a chance Rofl, that's kinda contradicting with your previous statement? So you would only stop being toxic ONLY if you knew there was a really severe repercusion, which i believe you KNEW anyway, stop bullshitting. I'm 100% convinced that you've posted on the boards when you've received the 14 days one, and people told you the next one is permanent. You see, i absolutely despise this type of mentality, playing the victim card, acting stupid and give the false impression that you're indeed sorry for what you did. You're only sorry about the lost account, not for the actions. I would recommend you to change, if you do the same IRL, then it's dangerous, and you could turn into a sociopath, people will avoid you.
Well I didn't post it during the 14-days ban here might just been someone else. I actually didn't knew it we t form 14 to perma. Second while is true I've flamed in the past I am more than willing ti stop has I've been showing for the last 2 months.
Raul04 (EUW)
: Permabanning accounts for toxicity reinforces mental issues and leads to even more toxicity.
Well, I have to agree trowing a game in purpose like running down midlane it's a shit show I've experienced and also flamed upon, takes one person to ruin a game for other 4 or 9,yet they don't care. Riot does has the gold system tho if they get killed a lot they become worthless
Irayun (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Danitao,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=xuo2mE6W,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-26T19:40:38.795+0000) ** riot then would unlock the account with a final warning this the last chance if you were caught flaming and harrassing you would ge imediately and forever banned** Excuse me but... haven't you got more than several chances? I mean I think (never been banned) you do not get permabanned straight away but it takes several penalties before they decide to apply a perma ban. In my opinion, if you get your penalty lifted, you will not learn the lesson.
Well I respect your opinion but to my defense I didn't know it went from 14 days to perma unfortunately if I knew I might have changed, second I've been playing for 2 months toxic free. 2 months without flaming and harrassing because If there's hope there's always a chance
Danitao (EUW)
: A Second Chance To Change!!
Everyone here who said you cant change its wrong, people change all the time due to circumstances, and for me league has a special place in my hearth so yes ill do everything in my grasp to achieve my goal, be player who will always motivate the team and do whats best. Thats a promised i amde to someone a long time ago that i would always conquer my objectives :D
: Well, then prove yourself on a fresh account. Read what you sign before you do something out of line. And like the one above you said: we don't change, especially if your reasoning is "tilting"
Well i think peopel can change, i am doing everythigni can to do so, why, because i understand how i was and i dont wana be like that i understand the wrong i was doing but i wanna change that i wann be able to help now
CJXander (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Danitao,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=xuo2mE6W,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-26T19:51:08.666+0000) > > The thing is how about the things i bought in the other account the time i spent on it ? cant there it be a chance i believe that people after some bad experiences can change and improve Unfortunately there isn't, when you're creating an account you're acknowledging the fact you'll lose access to everything if you break the terms. I am quite curious how do people forget it's their time and money invested when they're taking the risk of flaming. I wouldn't want to throw 9 years of progress and 4k eur away, not even if somoene is 0/100/0 in my game ot wishing any kind of shit to myself or my family, it's just not worth. It's almost like you're paying someone to flame him
Well the thing is i never really consider it before, onlt after the perma hit i really refect upon my actions and yes i was massive "doodle" been trying since then to improve everday in order if a second chance apears i can apply for it an win it
CJXander (EUNE)
: Want another chance? Prove yourself on a fresh account, there's no one stopping you if you're going to do that. As for the old one, rest in pepperonni. Some people change, some do not.
The thing is how about the things i bought in the other account the time i spent on it ? cant there it be a chance i believe that people after some bad experiences can change and improve
: as a player with 2 permabanned accounts: No. We don't change
Well maybe you dont, i did, been 2 months ive beenn trying my hardest to always to my best self and not tilt
: Recovering a permanently banned account
Unless you were extremely homphobic or racist you would catapult instantly into the llast tier, are you sure u hadnt the ban like 2 years ago? I dont think the suspension roll back, so if 2 years ago you received a banned then you still in the last chance
DarkVanity (EUNE)
: Banning Teammates champion
I understand what youre saying and ive been there, it sometimes can be really tilting, what i recomned is picking a fake one during banning phase and then changing to the one you really use
Rioter Comments
: Last candy themed skin was lollipoppy... And that's the creepiest skin in the game. And he is a shade with chains who steals souls... of course he is going to be creepy.
Well if isntead of normal tresh face they put a smiley on it and the souls could have a lot of diferrent colors i dont think it wouldbe so creppy
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Vionicesca,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=2pETJEQy,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2015-08-23T12:06:04.065+0000) > > I usually play mid when support isn't available and it's exactly the same for me. Even if i'm support, i ask my team too upgrade their trinkets and buy pink wards time to time as where they think a stealth will be placed a lot, most of the time they don't listen, get ganked, die and blame jungler. {{summoner:3}}
I think they forgotn there are a 4 maximum ward place so we can only cover small amounts of places and then they blame us for not having enough vision
Vionicesca (EUNE)
: Same as Jannas standing AFK in a bush. Not support, just useless.
Lol wtf me has janna i spend time in bushes why tornados are best to aim when in bushes
: You could zone. You know. Walk up, have a presence...
yeah i whit virtue sometimes has tresh when teh enemy is good at dodging the only way i get hooks is when the´re guard is down when they think i am out of lane
gaby1best (EUNE)
: Oh no you didn't. Sightstone is the sole item in game whose gold efficiency is INFINITE! A sight ward costs 75 gold. You get an infinite amount of wards from Sightstone. And please, stop thinking that supports need to deal damage. That's not what a support does. Oh and let's calculate the damage you get from the 2 items at lvl 2: So we'll consider you will damage the enemy with Q E + Auto, considering you have 0 AP and 0 bonus AD from runes or masteries. Amplifying Tome: * Q - 60 + 14 = 74 * E - 60 + 12 = 72 * AA = 56 * Passive - 26 + 4 = 30 **TOTAL DAMAGE** = 232 Spellthief's Edge: * Q - 60 + 3.5 = 63.5 * E - 60 + 3 = 63 * AA = 56 * Passive - 26 + 1 = 27 * 3 Tribute Procs = 30 **TOTAL DAMAGE** = 239.5 So with {{item:3303}} you will actually deal more damage in a lvl 2 all in than with a {{item:1052}}. Plus, with {{item:3303}} being cheaper, you'll have enough gold to buy more potions, you get a mana/sec passive and a gold/sec passive aswell. There is absolutely no reason for which you'll want to buy Amplifying Tome over Spellthief's Edge as Lux support. Also, just a tip: switch your trinket to {{item:3341}} once you buy your Sightstone, it's an excellent item.
Nice point but i dont consider lux a real supp i think its more like "they toke all lanes ill take lux and do her ap bcs its lux"
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