Pandaii (EUW)
: Neeko ultimate
I just want Riot to lower the damage of that ultimate. That damage + CC is too much.
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hansiman,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=tbF01HtX,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-01-18T21:28:10.600+0000) > > Doesn't sound too strong if it's only doing 5hp damage, or 9.5 depending on how you read it. =P i'm talking about healing from 5hp to 50% of max hp.
> [{quoted}](name=M3GTRDragon,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=tbF01HtX,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-18T21:29:37.962+0000) > > i'm talking about healing from 5hp to 50% of max hp. Of course she does if you group or don't run away when she ults. There is no way she can regen that much without you staying to fight her after she ults.
ζζζ (EUW)
: nice hitbox riotarded games
I experience a similiar thing with Lux ult. Sometimes it seems like I dodged but I get hit anyway.
: Yea... you are right - that was an overexaggeration. I guess the reason I said he's useless in teamfights is that he usually doesn't constructively participate in them.
> [{quoted}](name=Tenchuu Khan,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=poEoKt0M,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-01-18T13:04:48.708+0000) > > Yea... you are right - that was an overexaggeration. > > I guess the reason I said he's useless in teamfights is that he usually doesn't constructively participate in them. That is true. I play Yasuo sometimes (I might be mastery 4, I don't remember) but only when I am with 3-4 premade friends. Playing Yasuo with strangers is too stressful, since every single mistake you make cause an argument. Unfortunately people who play Yasuo tend to go apeshit since level 1, but they don't realise he is a mid-lategame scaling champion. I play really safe early (maybe too safe sometimes) and wait to scale a bit. I also partecipate a lot in teamfights and that windwall (if used properly) is insane. You can block a full MF ultimate and basically save the day.
: The issue with Yasuo is that he's not designed around teamplay and is way too strong solo. That's what leads to most Yasuo players just trying to style off rather than winning the game. At least to me: - He's no fun to play against - "Hard" to play as - Too much emphasis on looking good - Absolutely useless for the team - Too strong Should have never been added to the game really. Just like Teemo or LeBlanc.
> [{quoted}](name=Tenchuu Khan,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=poEoKt0M,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-01-18T09:52:36.996+0000) > > The issue with Yasuo is that he's not designed around teamplay and is way too strong solo. That's what leads to most Yasuo players just trying to style off rather than winning the game. > > At least to me: > - He's no fun to play against > - "Hard" to play as > - Too much emphasis on looking good > - Absolutely useless for the team > - Too strong > > > Should have never been added to the game really. Just like Teemo or LeBlanc. I agree for the most part, but he is not that useless in teamfights. He has an area knockup with a low cd (as long as he can hit something) and a wall that can block projectiles for the teammates. He also has some synergy with champions with knockups since he can follow with a pretty damaging ult.
: i'd like to go vayne top, since i got huge success against darius (well, duh) once but i'd like to see your advice, what matchups are good for him? what are bad? i think another good matchup could be against a garen, if his Q doesn't reach me.. probably against a sion too, all i have to do is care about his E.. anything else?
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Prepuzius,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=uyqOeMqj,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-01-16T08:18:54.053+0000) > > i'd like to go vayne top, since i got huge success against darius (well, duh) once > but i'd like to see your advice, what matchups are good for him? what are bad? > i think another good matchup could be against a garen, if his Q doesn't reach me.. probably against a sion too, all i have to do is care about his E.. anything else? You will have a good matchup against Garen as long as you keep your E for when he uses his Q. The problem is: if that Garen is smart he will let you push near his turret and wait for his jungler. When you are that pushed with Vayne it is really hard to survive a gank in the toplane. That is a problem a lot of ADCs have Top. You can Q away or E but the lane is so long they will chase you down and probably get you before you can reach your turret.
: Well, I greet you from the deep ranks of Silver 2, where junglers don't recognize matchups and just gank whatever (or not at all, but it was just whatever in this game). Although I do admit, maybe I should have told him.
> [{quoted}](name=Ninja0Heaven,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=uyqOeMqj,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-01-15T17:14:40.034+0000) > > Well, I greet you from the deep ranks of Silver 2, where junglers don't recognize matchups and just gank whatever (or not at all, but it was just whatever in this game). Although I do admit, maybe I should have told him. Do not worry! I was a simple Silver V Toplaner. I also suggest you to freeze the lane under your turret when you can and when you are against an off meta champion with low mobility. A lot of times they don't realise you can chase them down (because you have a loooot of space to chase them) and kill them before they can reach their turret. This will also help your junglers to gank when they can! They will not be tanky enough to survive a gank if they are pushed near your turret.
: Opinions on Off Meta (Example: Ezreal Top)
The toplane is the longest lane of them all, and your jungler should abuse that when they pick a champion with low mobility. Speaking of Ezreal, he has his E but you just need to let him push a bit and your jungler can basically camp him. The reason a lot of champions are not that good Top is because they are weak to ganks (not tanky enough, not mobile enough, ecc). Someone took Twisted Fate top and I had Malphite. I couldn't farm easily early game because I simply would get poked. I left some farm and said to my jungler: "When I reach level 6 gank me". That Twisted Fate died every single time I had my ult up, because my jungler helped me and understood that he had no mobility.
: Just mute all. I found same shit in Overwatch. When someone in team really trolls game but when you type at least one message about saying that this guy trolls you get like 5 reports from all your teammates =) So flaming is considered more severe than trolling xd So yeah, same here. If you at least say something even without any blames someone might consider it as a flame and then shit begins. /mute all and ggwp
> [{quoted}](name=shine kudasai ,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ZQ0RwEya,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-01-12T22:28:43.123+0000) > > Just mute all. I found same shit in Overwatch. When someone in team really trolls game but when you type at least one message about saying that this guy trolls you get like 5 reports from all your teammates =) So flaming is considered more severe than trolling xd So yeah, same here. If you at least say something even without any blames someone might consider it as a flame and then shit begins. > > /mute all and ggwp Yes, after the flame start I usually stop writing. I rarely respond (without flaming) to flame, because I know it will make things worse. And, to be honest, typing stuff to reply to an angry guy while I am playing annoys me.
Kurotsu (EUW)
: I'm only Gold but here we can take compliments sometimes. You kind of read the tone. But I went on a smurf yesterday (Silver 4) and not only do people lash out at compliments, they also yell at you for KS which I personally haven't seen in years
> [{quoted}](name=Kurotsu,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ZQ0RwEya,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-12T14:58:12.948+0000) > > I'm only Gold but here we can take compliments sometimes. You kind of read the tone. > But I went on a smurf yesterday (Silver 4) and not only do people lash out at compliments, they also yell at you for KS which I personally haven't seen in years Some days ago we lost a match because our jungler got so tilted we "stole" his kills he started to play really badly. He complained that he cannot farm and scale into lategame if we don't let him take some kills. I tried to reason with him but no point, he just got angrier and angrier.
: No idea which elo you are. But my experience is plat and above tends to have a better attitude towards compliments. Below that and they always flame :P
> [{quoted}](name=LordGoldFish2,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ZQ0RwEya,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-12T13:02:41.938+0000) > > No idea which elo you are. But my experience is plat and above tends to have a better attitude towards compliments. Below that and they always flame :P Low elo, I peaked at Silver V but I never play ranked matches and I don't like it. I usually play against Gold or "high" Silver, since one of my premades is Gold. I have to agree with you at this point, but I imagined normal games and ARAM would be more friendly since there is less competition compared to ranked.
Rioter Comments
Lariatas (EUNE)
: the setup for dealing dmg b4 ulting in orther to kill . cho just walks up and ults without any prior setup + its a true dmg that scales up with ap. and you talk about cho not getting a stack let me remind that he can get a stack from not only champions and it is permenant . Add with all the free cdr u can get now and it is no problem to be at max stack b4 20
> [{quoted}](name=Lariatas,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=zEAOEEYy,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-01-05T16:11:14.828+0000) > > the setup for dealing dmg b4 ulting in orther to kill . cho just walks up and ults without any prior setup + its a true dmg that scales up with ap. > and you talk about cho not getting a stack let me remind that he can get a stack from not only champions and it is permenant . Add with all the free cdr u can get now and it is no problem to be at max stack b4 20 Cho can get limited stacks if he doesn't eat a champion. Only 6 stacks for minions and non-epic monster. After that, he needs to eat epic monsters or champions. I am sorry but I think you have no idea of what you are talking about.
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: I don't understand why the system favours getting ranged mages in ARAM like Xerath or Veigar
I would face Xerath and Veigar anytime instead of AP Kog'Maw and AP Kai'Sa. Nightmare material.
Lariatas (EUNE)
: Not much of a setup when its point and click true dmg that scales with ap still doesnt answer my question doe why mr and armor is irrelevent ?
> [{quoted}](name=Lariatas,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=zEAOEEYy,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-01-05T15:43:45.846+0000) > > Not much of a setup when its point and click true dmg that scales with ap > > still doesnt answer my question doe why mr and armor is irrelevent ? And it's a melee range skill on an immobile champion. The answer is: they are not irrelevant at all. You are wrong.
Lariatas (EUNE)
: PLS explain
You have to use your ultimate with Cho'Gath when you are sure you will kill the opponent, or you will not get a stack. That is a setup.
: What's wrong with yorick?
He is literally kited by every ranged in the game if he misses his E. Sometimes, even if he lands his E. You will have to buy a Morello/Executioner to cut his healing and avoid going 1v1 with a melee when he is ahead. He is a good splitpusher but nothing a good Jax, Trynda and other champions with way better mobility can't do.
uncle cam (EUW)
: Nothing will happen but worth a try! (Aatrox Rework)
I agree with Swampert. The only thing I would change about the rework is that damn ugly dash. Really, that dash is terrible to watch.
: How do people feel about the current state of ARAM?
I liked when they removed Warmog during the Pyke event. That item is a bit on the strong side in this mode. Overall, this is probably my favorite game mode and I play it most of the times. It's not that you always find the same champions, is that some people make account ARAM-only and they only buy champions strong in this mode.
: Because Brand can't oneshot anyone @lvl6 with literally 0 AP items? And he has a click to dmg spell, plus his new extra dmg passive is absolutely ludicrous. As Lux sure you have to land Q and then combo but to really kill someone you LITERALLY need to autohit them twice for full dmg combo. Brand can just stand back and wait for his (easy to hit) stun. Even if he doesn't land full combo he still deals tons of dmg. And let'snot forget Lux SNARES, Brand STUNS. Even if you get snared as Brand you will always be able to full combo the Lux. If you lose that matchup it's your fault, not the champs.
> [{quoted}](name=Taliyah Supp,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=WqE7Kwia,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-05T11:28:40.645+0000) > > Because Brand can't oneshot anyone @lvl6 with literally 0 AP items? And he has a click to dmg spell, plus his new extra dmg passive is absolutely ludicrous. As Lux sure you have to land Q and then combo but to really kill someone you LITERALLY need to autohit them twice for full dmg combo. Brand can just stand back and wait for his (easy to hit) stun. Even if he doesn't land full combo he still deals tons of dmg. And let'snot forget Lux SNARES, Brand STUNS. Even if you get snared as Brand you will always be able to full combo the Lux. If you lose that matchup it's your fault, not the champs. Honestly I simply wouldn't compare Brand and Lux. Both champions have crearly defined weaknesses. Lux maybe can't stun, but her snare go through minions while you can simply minion block Brand Q. Brand may have more damage, but he also needs to get closer than Lux when he ults. While Lux can ult you from a mile away. Lux also has a shield and a slow. I am not saying Lux is better than Brand or the other way around! I am just saying they have a different playstyle and different advantages.
Zanador (EUNE)
: Well, if all of you see him healing a lot with his Q+Death's Dance+Spirit, and none of you picks up an Executioner or Morellonomicon or even a Bramble vest, then that is what's going to happen. A 800 gold item stood between you and a victory all along. p.s: wait till you meet a good Illaoi, and you'll tell Yorick that you are sorry.
> [{quoted}](name=Zanador,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=z2jUM2Lp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-04T23:39:59.726+0000) > > Well, if all of you see him healing a lot with his Q+Death's Dance+Spirit, and none of you picks up an Executioner or Morellonomicon or even a Bramble vest, then that is what's going to happen. A 800 gold item stood between you and a victory all along. > > p.s: wait till you meet a good Illaoi, and you'll tell Yorick that you are sorry. And that Lucian just needed to dodge the E and W (or destroy the wall) and just kite Yorick into oblivion. Without an Executioner, of course, he would just heal with minions but... I mean.
: Some tanks are lesser tanks than other tanks.
You must learn the differences between a blink and a dash. Shen E is a dash, and he is targetable during the animation. Ezreal E is a blink, and he is untargeatable during the animation. Shen shouldn't have a blink, since his dash also taunts when he hits. And Shen doesn't need to be untargetable, he is a tank. I don't like blinks and I think they are too much on the strong side, but at least Ezreal is squishy.
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: Which champion intimidates you the most by the way he/she looks and what the lore says about them?
{{champion:27}} and {{champion:36}} are pretty damn evil according to the lore if you ask me. Then {{champion:8}} because he is (or, at least, was in the old lore) a serial murderer. Then {{champion:6}} because that ultimate is nasty. I would not want to fight against {{champion:19}} either. Or, even worse {{champion:111}}. I mean, a giant dude wielding an enormous anchor. Maybe I just have PTSD from playing Bioshock too much back in the days.
: Mechanics a low elo player must Learn? (Top lane)
I was a Silver V player, so really low elo, and what I try to do is to always focus on warding, wave manipulation, learning matchups and learning when to push and when to freeze. Learning when to push and when to freeze is (in my opinion, and I main toplane) one of the most important things you can learn top, since the lane is so long. Lasthitting correctly is also really important. I won a lot of matches simply by outfarming the opponent while playing safe. Not dying and farming well is half of the work basically.
Esiii96 (EUW)
: illaoi not balanc
Any decent team in any teamfight will simply not group around Illaoi when she ults.
: you're right, setting up a good ult is very tricky, i missed most of them i played him top, but maybe in jungle is easier to land his ult.. another fun thing with him is his interaction with zhonya/stopwatch that if i'm not mistaken extends the duration of his flamethrower?
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Prepuzius,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=AJ2VT5BU,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-12-13T13:51:34.561+0000) > > you're right, setting up a good ult is very tricky, i missed most of them > i played him top, but maybe in jungle is easier to land his ult.. > another fun thing with him is his interaction with zhonya/stopwatch that if i'm not mistaken extends the duration of his flamethrower? I am not sure about that, I did not use him for a while. If I remember correctly the flame freezes with him doing no damage, but I might be wrong.
: opinions on rumble
Rumble is a lot of fun to play. He is good against a lot of melee matchups Top, since he will melt them with his flamethrower. He can also change teamfights drastically with a good placed ultimate. I think he is not an easy champion to play: even if he doesn't have any mana you have to manage his overheat bar and aim his ulti in the right spot. Sometimes if you miss a ult you are dead.
: If you always play this game feeling that you need your jungler to win your lane, you have already lost, because, simply put, you have 0 rights when it comes to get your jungler's attention. You should for all intents and purposes treat your jungler as an extra commodity: if it helps you, good, if not, you can still play at your full potential because that's the way your learned to play from the very start. That's all.
I totally agree with that, but it also is in my jungler best interest to get a free kill. If the jungler never put some form of pressure in my lane and my enemies are pushed under my tower, they will simply keep doing that for free. Most of the times that could be a free kill and then a drake or other objectives. I don't expect my jungler to come bot and don't get anything from a gank, that is for sure.
: 1. Farm. 2. Try not to die. It is very easy with new towers. 3. Play as jungler sometimes to realize that jungler has many things to do. Not only gank bot lane. I rarely play as jungler, but I tried a bit, just to understand how it works. And what I realize is: - ganking losing lane is usually a bad idea - ganking bot may lead to permanent bot lane fiesta. And usually, it is now what you want - helping wining lane to snowball usually works - if you have to choose between objective, powerfarm(depends on champion) and gank, gank is usually the worst option. Hopefully, I helped you to understand why you rarely get ganks.
Thank you, it was helpful. I am not asking about constant ganks, of course, but if I get camped by the enemy jungler and I don't have any form of counter ganking the lane gets pretty hard. Sometimes I might even get tower-dived and die. At least I want my jungler to exploit the fact I'm camped to do other stuff. I would totally be fine with that.
Rioter Comments
DylxnBK (EUW)
: TIME TO PERMA BAN JAX AND GAREN HAHAAAAAA
Jax is pretty hard to counterbuild, since he does both AP and AD damage. He is destroyed in some matchups, like against Malphite. You just E him with Malph and his whole kit is basically gone. Garen is really strong against a lot of melee champions, but (like Jax) he is completely destroyed in some ranged matchups. Easier to counterbuild than Jax except for his ultimate. You should pick Teemo, Heimer, Lissandra or other ranged champions. I like to play Swain (my second main) or Vlad. If you have ranged poke him regularly to stop him from regaining HP with his passive. If he backs of too much he just goes out of EXP range.
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: You do understand Cho'Gath has a point click HP & AP scaled true damage ultimate, right? So you want to keep him as tanky as possible while he takes 3/4 of someone's HP with one button?
If he can even reach you. Have you ever played against a good team that can position properly? If you can't hit a Q (and sometimes even if you hit a Q) you will never reach them. They will kite you into oblivion and they just need some form of CC to slow you down or stun you and you are boned. I am a Mastery 6 Cho and I played the champion a lot. The R is basically a melee range move and the E is close range too. Tank Cho does shit damage other than with his R and AP Cho is a niche at best. Cho is good with some team composition that can give him room to reach the enemies. Other than that, he is a big walking simulator.
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: My mistake, forgot about them having it. But AP, AD, HP, etc. should all have diminishing returns.
But that is the whole point about these champions isn't it? Champions like Nasus becomes relevant only mid-lategame just because they can stack to no end. Also, Cho'gath already has max stacks on minions and after that he can only R champions to gain more stacks. I think that these champions are already less viable since the matches last less and less, and if you give them a cap they will be even worse.
: There is arguably more armor in the game. Most tanks have like 3 armor items and only Spirit Visage for MR. It's just logical that there is more armor pen/shred than for ap.
You mean Spirit Visage, Abyssal Mask and Adaptive Helm. And I'm not even counting the damage items with MR like Malmortius and Wit's End. Or Banshee Veil.
: Any girls wants to play?
: Rework garen or adjusts!
The majority of people complain about his damage or his movement speed, when in reality his passive is probably the most broken thing about the champion mid-lategame. He will splitpush and just run away with Q to heal all the damage with the passive if you try to stop him. He is strong in low elo with poorly organized teams, but he struggles a lot in high elo.
ShadWooo (EUNE)
: I tried this champ just few times mostly in ARAM and I find him hard to play or rather "clunky" than hard. This is because his abilities are somewhat impractical to use and requires some practice/hand skill I probably lack. W - worse than soraka E, has quite long delay before doing anything, I found it good only to make clearing minions easier. Assassins with their unlimited blinks jumps or dashes gives a crap about it, it will only affects champions without any such abilities who has to move around it, but who plays such champions now? E - the vector casting or whatever is it called gives me a hard time, is it easy for me to mess up and "paint it" totally the wrong way especially when some actions happens and I need to cast this while running to/from someone. It also has really bad AOE indicator and short range so almost everytime I tried to use it what happened was that my champ moved towards enemy and I allowed enemy to get trade on me needlessly. R - am I suppose to somehow controll where it goes? While trying to move around and painting E ? The champion itself is easy, there are no crazy combos you can do unlike assassins. But to get hands on his spells is not easy. If you managed to do this then you deserve to be usefull with him. Why shouldn't you?
His W is best used to follow up other CC by your teammates. If you can land a W after a stun or a snare the enemy will be stuck for half an hour. And after W you just cast the ult on top of them and melt them like butter. It is also good to escape ganks if you set up in the right position.
Kalvix (EUW)
: It's not easy to make him useless as he's a beast late game, you can slow down when he comes online but eventually you'll have a tank that assassinates people and need to hope you've got somebody that can pump out enough damage to kill them quickly
He is still kitable if you have a ranged champion. I destroyed a Garen yesterday with Vayne, but I have to admit that Vayne is a tank buster and really mobile for an ADC. Of course if you have a melee that will be hard, unless you have Darius or some other tanky damage dealers.
: Why ban akali?
After that game I had with Vayne against an Akali I will probably ban her too if I have an AA based champ. She is not that strong if you have an AOE spell or at least skillshots, but if you only have your AA her shroud is unbearable.
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Dead Delicious,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=HN8XOBwU,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-08-23T22:11:53.552+0000) > > Yasuo is a really hard champion to master, and he is not OP by any means. He goes 1/10 and still carries.
Like every lategame scaling champion if the match goes for too long. Try Master Yi, Tryndamere, Fiora, Jax ecc. Everything at full build and lategame is dangerous if left unchecked.
: > [{quoted}](name=Dead Delicious,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=zAeQKeFf,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-24T12:18:00.559+0000) > > I also see a 49% winrate with an almost 10% pickrate, which is under 50%. > Everyone bans him because they don't know how to deal with him and in low elo there is a bias against him. If you never play against Yasuo you will never learn how to play against him. I main top and I played against Yasuo countless times. He is a good champion but not overpowered by any means. > Also, nobody is forced to ban Yasuo. Keep banning a champion and you will never learn how to counter him. w/e if you you think he fine just w/e People will keep banning him if you think he is fine w/e If you didn't google at all then w/e you just wanted to say that "yasuo is not op bla bla" so w/e
Are you sure? Tell me where is the skyrocket winrate you say he should have, since he is OP. https://champion.gg/champion/Yasuo/Middle? http://euw.op.gg/champion/yasuo/statistics/mid
: Your only oportunity with Vayne vs Akali is when she attacks you. She needs to hit her shuriken on you to be able to directly dash to you, so dodging that will force her to retreat until she can throw it again. And don't forget your knock. Lategame its very well possible to kill her if you got her cced once.
I tried, but sometimes when I knocked her against a wall with E she had her shroud and even if she was stunned I couldn't hit her. This normal game was very long, so we were all full build. She just oneshotted me almost instantly. I did a lot of damage too, but I just couldn't hit her. It is definitely possible to win, but I find it to be extremely hard.
: > [{quoted}](name=Dead Delicious,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=zAeQKeFf,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-08-24T11:28:57.136+0000) > > Why are they "forced" to ban Yasuo? Google it and you will find a gazilion topics explaining why. The easiest answer I can give you is that he has overloaded kit. And the 63% ban rate and 18,8 pick rate translate to the ban rate would be higher if teammates didn't want to pick him.
I also see a 49% winrate with an almost 10% pickrate, which is under 50%. Everyone bans him because they don't know how to deal with him and in low elo there is a bias against him. If you never play against Yasuo you will never learn how to play against him. I main top and I played against Yasuo countless times. He is a good champion but not overpowered by any means. Also, nobody is forced to ban Yasuo. Keep banning a champion and you will never learn how to counter him.
: if you were vayne the best thing you could do was to E her away when she shrouds, and then run... specially if your support is something like zyra, and doesnt have much protection for you... On teamfights you had to have someone protecting you, someone who can CC her in place once she appears to attack from her shroud. but truth be told... i believe she is a bit overtuned... she's a assassin so i believe her damage is ok... the main problem is that shroud... dunno how they will deal with this... NOTE: this is just my dumb silver opinion...
I honestly need to know the champion better before I can give you an opinion. I find her shroud to be a bit on the strong side, especially against AA based champions. Don't worry, I was just a Silver V last season.
: Most people are forced to ban yasuo when they don't play top lane. Imagine how they feel since they have to almost always waste that ban. There are champion that are worst to play against.
Why are they "forced" to ban Yasuo?
M3ith (EUW)
: Nerf Garen
The price of a champion has nothing to do with how good it is. It only depends on the release date.
JT Mas (EUNE)
: Please make Co-op vs AI where the bots are very good.
This is mainly a PVP game and very few people care about bots. To program an advanced bot is really expensive, and I don't think Riot will invest money in that to be honest.
: If you're playing as an ADC, you generally should have as much distance to assassins as possible, at least when you don't have half of your team with you
Even in teamfights tho, she would just jump on me, oneshot me and go safely into her shroud. Pretty hard champion to deal with, I need more experience against her.
: Patch 8.17 Still no Nerfs to Jhin Miss fortune Draven.
I even made a video and sent it to my group of premades where I basically killed a Talon with two AAs with Jhin. Mid-lategame his damage output and movement speed is insane. This is the biggest issue I have with the champion. I love Jhin and I mainly play him bot, but his damage output is waaaay too high. The good thing is that he is immobile early game, but so are a lot of other ADCs.
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