: BeetleKing, this was a problem already 1-2 years ago. think it was 2 years since i pointed it out for first time. around same time they promoted the "honor system". They are just pushing the problem under the doormath. What i think will happen is that people will start leaving the game because they dont feel treated correctly by Riot and the system, and the game will die out. They say its 3% of LoL players are toxic, yet i meet 3-4 if not more toxic trolls afkers in every game. Meaning that statistic dont summary the truth.
I 100% agree, most of the players that are leaving the game are good competitive pkayers who are frustrated by the state of the game and that they are ultimately the ones who only get punished for trying to play. The game has devolved into such a toxic state for genuine players to continue.
: It's Everyday Bro...
Its got to the point where I only enjoy about 2/10 games at this point. Trolling has completely ruined this game. For the last 3 years all ive been enjoying is Aram because you get the least ammount of trolls in it and still at least 50% of the games are ruined by trolls or players who just dont connect to the game. The state of the game is an absolute disgrace atm. I used to play 8+ games a day. Now i can hardly play 2 games without it feeling like a waste of time and effort. And this is completely the fault of Riot at its core
Wen294 (EUW)
: Why do players always ping on afks/disconnects?
I usually ping to let the team know incase they have not seen it. But i usually ping no more than 3 times to get the attension.
JKL (EUNE)
: Minion Block - at the cost of tilt
Its basically the equivilant of Prat Falling in super smash bros brawl. Just a shitty worthless mechanic added in because someone is a sadist.
ˉˉIˉˉ (EUW)
: Those are people who troll - which is bad for everyone but not any form of abusing the system. They do not gain anything from those games except maybe fun (or whatever feeling they get from doing this). Also, as explained above, those players may ruin single games, but don't put a dent in peoples winrate - they actually lift everyone's (who is not a troll too) winrate. Wintrading is the only way of abusing the system via intentionally feeding or trolling, but wintrading is quiet hard to pull off unless your playing at times where barely anyone is online and on a low populated server.
Its still abusing the system. No matter how you paint it. They are still taking advantage of the systwm because they know they will hardly ever get punished. Then they report the players who are in the right (like dunkey) to call them out. Anyway, trolls basicly gain satisfation and a sense of joy by doing this. Their victims are the ones that are untimately punished every time. They have their time wasted. Up to 2 hours wasted if you count each game at the maximum amount of time. 1 hour for that perticular game and 1 more hour for the ammount of LP lost. That is not acceptable in the slightest. And now its more common to have trolls in games then it is to have a normal game, by an absolute landslide.
ˉˉIˉˉ (EUW)
: How is it currently abusable by trolls ? Dare to explain ?
Cause so many intentionally troll and hardly ever get punished. As long as they don't type anything in chat they can go on to ruin 500+ games easily without punishment. Seriously? I had to spell it out to you?
Xinyuo (EUW)
: ''Its so rare to see an intelligent person like yourself around here.'' He agreed with me, he must be intelligent Never seen someone so arrogant.
ˉˉIˉˉ (EUW)
: Alright. Sure, this is bad and takes away fun from the game. But it happens. It happens to all of us. But there is no easy way arround this. Taking away the LP loss for games with AFKs would be an abusable system, while punishing all might take away some fun every 20 games or so, but doesn't really have any negative impact on their rank at all. Infact, AFKs have a positive effect on your ranking looking at it statistically - which is correct aslong as you play a decent amount of games - which you need to in order to get to your actual rank anyways.
Its already abusable. Its just abused by trolls. But that apparently makes it all ok. GG
: You know whats the best part? Both mods and Riot themselves will ignore this post, because they are afraid to argue with people when they know they can't win. Good luck with the ticket.
Its not that they cant win. Its more like they dont give a fk.
: At one point i was sitting at nice 72% win rate in D5, managed D3 promo's with around 62% which riot though was way to high... Since both those promo game's i had an afk... Then suddenly i started losing game's in 15-20 mins with no chance of a comeback, next thing you now i'm back at 50% win rate in less the a month. I wasn't playing bad, i was trolling, i wasn't doing anything odd, But hey my bot lane kept losing turret at 8 mins for like 8 game's in a row but it was defo not a match making problem. Ranked is luck, it pointless to even try. So i only mange 2 game win streak, before i get player who lose lane before 10 mins and have died up to 4 times...
This exactly, you can achieve a good win rate in short bursts but in the longrum your win rate WILL plummet back down to 50% and there is nothing you can do about it. The matchmaking is designed to force that 50% so Riot can falsely gloat a balanced game. Morel of the story is, when you play a team based online game and your win rate is suspitiously equal to your loss, thats because it is forced.
: They no longer care about banning people and giving the suspension duo to how many people play this game. In my 8 seasons of this game I've received a lot of chat restrictions and bans for doing nothing. When you're spending 20-40mins of your life every game's its kinda hard to not say something to people who lose you the game. As of late, i've noticed that ranked is just pure luck on what players you get, I hard carry top to the point they either need to 1vs2 or 1vs3 me, While my other lane's still lose to the point the game is impossible to win. Then you check their ranking and see they're hard stuck on losing spree and have been feeding the last 5 game's while the enemy team are on winning streaks. I even manged to get a gold 2 with 600 game's playing in p2-p1 game because he was being boosted by a p1 and he went 0-12. But he won't get punished, i will for the words said that game. Hardly any new people join this game also, why would you riot doesn't care about the players is mostly how much money the get out of people, and most new account are most likely smurfs or bots for aram. The system doesn't care about you and never will, as long as riot can abuse the addiction they will do. Hense why everything is related to honor system. Maybe next year you will need honor 2 just to play ranked, because at this rate if you're not honor 2 you're no longer allowed to do it, or have it. Plus getting to honor takes up 1 year of casual playing to obtain... Also they could make this game 18+ and not give a %%%% about people being toxic, but that would lose them to much revenue and stop the kids from playing and using their parents money to be all those new lux skins. If the game was 18+ we wouldn't have a problem with toxicity.
Ranked is a game of luck. I too have been in the possition where i will get massive 95% of the time for the team only to single handedly lose a winning game. Thats what happens when most accounts start ranked at the high silver choke point. Its obviously designed to be as frustrating as possible. Riot designed it to force a 50% win rate. It's just so they can gather the date and say "look!!!! The game is balanced, every player has a 50-50 chance of winning" which is complete BS. Thing is, if you are the better player you are obviously getting shafted. They obviously do it so 12yr old little Jimmy can feel better about himself being carried to a 50% win ratio so he can ask his mom for RP for skins. Even though in reality he is almost always dead weight to his team. Its a sick joke.
: Funny how people downvoted your comment without trying to argue with it. Either they know its true but don't want to face the truth or they are too ignorant to understand it . I am also an old player (I joined late s2) and I've seen how many times they %%%%ed things up and how long it took to fix them, I've seen Riot's ignorance and stupid decisions over the years and its honestly disgusting. The punishment system IN MY OPINION is made for milking players as much as they can. They know league is addicting so they are making permabans easier while not giving attention to the real problem (trolls,inters) so people make smurf accounts and spend money on them. The toxicity hasn't been going down for these years at all (Learn what toxic means and then say otherwise). I can guarantee you that I can int 50 games in a row without getting punished (loosing the time of 450 people in total, and tilting 200 teammates). How would it feel if you called the inter a ''re-tard'' and then getting banned for it when he already gave the worst gaming experience to 450 people. **CONGRATS YOU JUST BANNED THE GUY THAT GOT ANGRY BECAUSE SOMEONE INTENTIONALLY LOST HIS TIME** .The troll/inter probably won't get punished unless he makes it totally obvious.
Its so rare to see an intelligent person like yourself around here. They only downvote me cause im not praising Riots possition. Which is a utterly vile. As a vet Ive seen what Riot was and what it has become. I used to praise Riot brcause they actually deserved praise, they truely cared about their community and the game was fairly balanced for the most part. Ofc there have always been acceptions but NOTHING like like the attrocity it is today. It's actually disgusting the ammount of damage that is in the game currently. To the point where defensive stats mean very little. Ive also seen how the community has evolved over time. The community used to be somewhat respectfull, obviously there were still trolls and ragers but the big diffrence was that the tribunal was about during that time. It didnt fully work properly but it was a deterance to many who did want to be vile human beings. Now there is nothing but a algarithm tha punishes players based on what is said in chat and punishes regardless of context. Smart trolls can currently ruin countless games without punishment as long as they dont type in chat. And the community finds this acceptable. I believe its actually because most of the honest players have left out of frustration because its now such a common occourance that its nearly every gme. I dont blame them. Every single game i have had in the last 2 months alone has been an absolute clown fiesta. In short, the trolls have ALL the power. The players who want to be teamplayers and actually competitive (the type of players who make the game better) have 0 safety nets to fall back on and are the ones who get punished. Its absolutely disgusting
: > [{quoted}](name=Dirty Tryhard,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=82Xy9kwx,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-10-21T10:01:57.134+0000) > > Welcome to the BS that is Riot games and their absolutely rancid punishment system. > > It does not work even in the slightest. > It RARELY bans the actual toxic players and almost always bans the victims. > > If you speak out about it the community will label you toxic and tell you that the ban is deserved. REGARDLESS OF CONTEXT. > > Same goes for the moderators on this forum. > Litrally last week I formed a in depth critisism of the live design team and compared them to a bunch of monkeys. > (Because lets face it, they clearly dont understand game balance in the slightest) > > A modder commented on my argument and told me I would get a 3 day suspension for calling them monkeys > (i still believe it is deserved to call them monkeys and i could have said a lot worse) > I replied to the Mod on another account while being respectful but still calling out the over zealous behaviour and BOOM! Permabanned on both accounts. > > I don't believe i was in the wrong in any way, they just wanted to silence my critisisms... probably cause i was 100% right and made papa Riot look really bad by telling it how it is. > > I since then reported it to the customer support team respectfully and their response was a copy>paste version of: > "Fk you, your toxic" > > If only these people knew what irony was... > > But yeah, just dont trust this vile company anymore. > It's now ran by the most overly sensistive snowflakes who are catering to trolls that abuse the system to ban innocent players to get a kick out of it. > > Its actually disgusting. Come on i understand your point, but you can't just go to boards and call devs monkeys out of nowhere man. I agree that the community also loves to feel like vigilantes (yay you deserve it yay justice yay) and that's a problem.
It was not out of nowhere, i gave valid points with contructive criticism. If they don't want to labelled as such then they should actually do their jobs well instead of completely failing at balancing anything. This is coming from a season 1 vet with 10 years of video game balance experience. If I failed at my job like that i would be out of a job.
Moonblast (EUW)
: Deserved Permaban¿
This game get more and more rancid as time goes on.
: So i got banned by trollers because i wanted to play a game respectfully
Welcome to the BS that is Riot games and their absolutely rancid punishment system. It does not work even in the slightest. It RARELY bans the actual toxic players and almost always bans the victims. If you speak out about it the community will label you toxic and tell you that the ban is deserved. REGARDLESS OF CONTEXT. Same goes for the moderators on this forum. Litrally last week I formed a in depth critisism of the live design team and compared them to a bunch of monkeys. (Because lets face it, they clearly dont understand game balance in the slightest) A modder commented on my argument and told me I would get a 3 day suspension for calling them monkeys (i still believe it is deserved to call them monkeys and i could have said a lot worse) I replied to the Mod on another account while being respectful but still calling out the over zealous behaviour and BOOM! Permabanned on both accounts. I don't believe i was in the wrong in any way, they just wanted to silence my critisisms... probably cause i was 100% right and made papa Riot look really bad by telling it how it is. I since then reported it to the customer support team respectfully and their response was a copy>paste version of: "Fk you, your toxic" If only these people knew what irony was... But yeah, just dont trust this vile company anymore. It's now ran by the most overly sensistive snowflakes who are catering to trolls that abuse the system to ban innocent players to get a kick out of it. Its actually disgusting.
Marissa (EUW)
: As you said yourself, you got a 2 week suspension only a few weeks before the permaban. The two week suspension is your last warning before a permanent ban. It basically says: "Change your behaviour fast now or you'll get permabanned!" The problem is you didn't. Within those few weeks after the first suspension you got negative in-game again. You did not get banned over that one game but over the history of your behaviour and/or punishments, you got banned because you fell back into your (old) habits and got negative again so quickly after your last warning - which is taken as a sign that you might never reform, thus resulting in the permanent ban.
What a heap of BS. W/e Fking dirty white knight.
EKKEBlSO (EUW)
: I wish I get permabanned after that game
This is what happens when Riot does not ban bad behaviour and only bans verbal abuse. Most of these players are actually playing a completely diffrent game. They play to frustrate their own team than avtually win games because it is far easier. Also, most of the balance issues are a factor. Its more of a amalgamation of lots of issues really. But yeah, the community is absolute dog shit, to the point that more than half should be permabanned to solve the issue... but thats not gonna happen and they will just make new accounts anyway and bring misery to new players. Gotta love free to play games right?
Ökami (EUNE)
: BONUS ITEM SLOT FOR CONTROL WARD
What a monumentally stupid thread... Fking hell.
: Because the 1%(dia and above players) boost the 99%(everyone else), which part dont you understand? Or do you think gold players boost silvers to g5? Lmfao.
What part of sarcasm dont you understand?
: > [{quoted}](name=Dirty Tryhard,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=oq2i89RA,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-10-18T13:52:43.598+0000) > > This exactly. > The main champs to Boost are yi and taric. > Funny thing is, most players will point to duo boosters who abuse this and just say "look! If these players can get a 90% win rate you should too!!! Get good scrub!!" > > Its actually disgusting. Funny considering dopa doesnt play either of them yet hits rank 1 korea regularly.
Thats a weak argument. You litrally are saying "well 1% of the population can do it, should not be too hard to do it for the other 99%" I'll be right back, I'm just going to become a billionaire.
: How to maintain a really high win rate in ranked is very simple, play a busted champ that is currently meta and once has the lead or even behind can still trade evenly and be annoying or you do the second most common thing which is duo abuse with op champs. Bam presto you've got your self 90% win rate. So you either pick top/jungle or mid/jungle and your chances of winning sky rocket.
This exactly. The main champs to Boost are yi and taric. Funny thing is, most players will point to duo boosters who abuse this and just say "look! If these players can get a 90% win rate you should too!!! Get good scrub!!" Its actually disgusting.

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