Busty Demon (EUNE)
: I don't main ash but I play her and I must say, she needs something more added to her kit. Something to spice her gameplay. Also the animation truly needs some tweeks as well. I actually like playing ash even though it's hard to survive in this rift.
> [{quoted}](name=P1ATD,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=q3zZENAt,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-12-23T12:22:23.381+0000) > > I don't main ash but I play her and I must say, she needs something more added to her kit. Something to spice her gameplay. Also the animation truly needs some tweeks as well. I actually like playing ash even though it's hard to survive in this rift. > [{quoted}](name=Father Tios,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=q3zZENAt,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-12-23T11:47:41.036+0000) > > Yup. > > She is sometimes very, very annoying to play 'cause of this. I'm glad that other people can see this too. We should get the ball rolling and get Riot to do something about it - for all the champs that have the same issue. The difference is so tangible when I play Ashe, because I actually really enjoy the champ. If anyone knows how to get riot on it let me know and I'll get on it. Should I post this on support and feedback?
IRFodder (EUW)
: True, defeats the purpose of her enchanted AAs if you are just going to gimp her ability to orb walk.
> [{quoted}](name=IRFodder,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=q3zZENAt,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-12-22T15:14:13.114+0000) > > True, defeats the purpose of her enchanted AAs if you are just going to gimp her ability to orb walk. It does, and people are saying this is a problem with lots of champs too. Also, the first hit only does 50% of the slow then consecutive attacks apply the full slow. It would be nice if they did this to all of the ones that are in a bad state now. Especially with the frequency of the patches. With all the mobility going around new champs with better animations, it would be nice if they showed a bit of love to these guys. Kayle and Morg are due a rework as well so we'll see.
Infernape (EUW)
: Buy her legendary skin lol A lot of champs suffer with that problem like Caitlyn or even current Kayle.
> [{quoted}](name=Infernape,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=q3zZENAt,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-12-22T14:30:14.009+0000) > > Buy her legendary skin lol > > A lot of champs suffer with that problem like Caitlyn or even current Kayle. I got Project Ashe and the animations are a tiny bit faster but the issues still there.
: Do re,ember that her auto attacks slow... so while yes her attack animation is slower than other she also has objectively the most powerful auto attacks in the game, and when it comes to kiting on hit slows are massive. So the slow attacks help balance her perma slow
> [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=q3zZENAt,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-22T13:30:15.814+0000) > > Do re,ember that her auto attacks slow... so while yes her attack animation is slower than other she also has objectively the most powerful auto attacks in the game, and when it comes to kiting on hit slows are massive. > > So the slow attacks help balance her perma slow > [{quoted}](name=IRFodder,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=q3zZENAt,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-22T13:52:02.057+0000) > > Twitch Draven and Kog are the only 3 conventional ADC with higher base AS > > And Twitch is the only conventional ADC with higher level 18 AS. I'm not speaking about the attack speed but the animation itself. As in, the wind up and the window to cancel the animation so that you can kite out or move etc. Stuff like what is being said in these posts: http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1838602 http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1734113 http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4121893 Granted these are older posts, from pre work days, the problem seems to be there still. Trying to last hit with her awful animation and avoid taking harass is a pain. About mid game with runnans and Bork etc, it gets much easier, naturally. The passive slow shouldn't mean that her aa animation is weak and sluggish. If anything kiting feels next to pointless, you can't kite half as well as with other ADC's who's **animations are noticeably faster.** With champs like Jinx and Xayah I can kite out while throwing in an auto or two, if I do that with Ashe, the windup means that I'll probably get caught and die. I know when to run and when to weave auto's in too and this is why I say this, because it's noticeable, especially with her low mobility as well. By your reasoning, frozen mallet should reduce peoples attack speed to. See where I'm coming from? They've reworked Shaco, among other things. This could be something that they do as well. It's been spoken about a while back as well. Ashe is incredibly balanced so this surely wouldn't tip the scales.
IRFodder (EUW)
: Her Q attack reset got removed a long time ago, that's probably what you are feeling.
> [{quoted}](name=IRFodder,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=q3zZENAt,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-22T12:02:38.415+0000) > > Her Q attack reset got removed a long time ago, that's probably what you are feeling. I know that, I'm talking about the standard AA animation. It's really slow and cancelling it is a nightmare compared to most ADC's. She just feels clunky to play compared to them and she can be a good pick when the team comp is oriented a certain way.
Rioter Comments
: i agree whit you 100% 25 year old myself. Support main here. You say supports are the thickheaded. But ADCs are 10 times more annoying. If your cooldown on abilities are down and cant save them when they get cought ADCs blame you for everything. So i guess it goes both ways. ps the real challenge of this game is to handle the toxicity and make people better human beings online.
> [{quoted}](name= zatramvatram,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=apT1H1a1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-09-20T13:54:28.345+0000) > > i agree whit you 100% 25 year old myself. Support main here. You say supports are the thickheaded. But ADCs are 10 times more annoying. If your cooldown on abilities are down and cant save them when they get cought ADCs blame you for everything. So i guess it goes both ways. > > ps the real challenge of this game is to handle the toxicity and make people better human beings online. I agree, some ADC's are total assholes, and I'm bucking the trend here, I am probably an exception. I don't flame ever since that restriction - it was never even support that I flamed, only trolls - I just encourage. I watch replays and see where I went wrong. It's not necessarily the supports fault but in these instances I'm going on about, the support has flamed me instead. I don't complain about ks' or anything either. It's our lane, and as I said I always give credit to them. I wish players weren't so toxic. I stay positive even if we're behind and I have made many comebacks. These toxic supports are the minority. At the time I made this I was annoyed that this happened, especially because they were literally one division above me and they threw totally winnable games because I "sucked." I was one game away from promos and of course after then the losing streak comes along lol. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
: > Why though? Because they didn't give a shit about what you want, exactly as you didn't give a shit about what they want. All of you did exactly the same. So all 5 of you wasted your time. That tends to happen if you act egoistically and only think about yourself.
> [{quoted}](name=Humpelstilzche,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WnA6EqVK,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-16T05:40:40.642+0000) > > Because they didn't give a shit about what you want, exactly as you didn't give a shit about what they want. All of you did exactly the same. > So all 5 of you wasted your time. That tends to happen if you act egoistically and only think about yourself. Explain how that's egoistic? Maybe they want to spend time doing what they want to do and complete the quest that they want to do? Why should they have to be at the mercy of a premade in the lobby they got queued in with no choice in the matter? Arguably either of them could have dodged but of course no that wasn't an option. Even then if they did dodge what's to say that the same thing doesn't happen again in the next lobby? It's a pathetic herd mentality. There's safety in numbers. I don't have many friends to play with - doesn't bother me - though there are some cool people in the lobbies sometimes. Often times it's groups of people throwing their weight around because they've got numbers on their side. It's human nature and it's just disgusting really.
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Druscari (EUW)
: Irelia Changes 8.15: Nerfs Again!
Cheers for the input guys. Didn't expect it so soon either. I suppose it's a case of "get gud." I'll give the patch more time, just in anticipation of it I was feeling as if it was going to make something already bad worse. We'll see how it goes. Edit 1: I didn't even realise that about the on hit, ahhh it makes sense now. No worries, like I said, we'll see how things pan out. Edit 2: I have been able to 1v4 with her, prior to the 8.15 during 8.14, here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bsrwid9rwwsct4t/8-14_EUW1-3716549051_04.webm?dl=0
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