: None of what I said condones bad behaviour. The opposite really. What you need to realise is that if one member of your team is doing that to you, why does it make it fair for you to inflict the same fate upon the other 3 members of your team that had nothing to do with it? You're now becoming the problem that you're complaining about. There's quite a level of hypocrisy here. The correct response would be to mute that player, continue doing your best, and report them post game. If you keep playing, you're not "wasting your time". Not only is the game not over until the nexus falls (seriously, I've won games when someone decides they want to intentionally feed and go 0/20. You can recover as a team), but every moment you're in game, you have an oppurtunity to hone your skills, get better at landing that skill shot, improve your rotations - you get the drift here. When you AFK that's the only time you're wasting your time. Because not only do you gain nothing positive from it, you also end up breaking the rules, which could end up in yourself getting punished as well. Again, I come back to my point of: Remember - if you AFK, you're ruining the game for everyone else. It doesn't matter to the person who is trolling - when you afk, they win. If you continue playing, your fellow team mates and community will appreciate it, and you win out over the troll who will get punished if it's regular behaviour. (Note: apologies for the delayed response. My computer is not available so on here sporadically D:).
> None of what I said condones bad behaviour. The opposite really. So by not acting on the bad behaviour of the troll it learns to not do that again is what you are saying? It is not a toddler, ignoring does nothing, it has to learn somehow. > What you need to realise is that if one member of your team is doing that to you, why does it make it fair for you to inflict the same fate upon the other 3 members of your team that had nothing to do with it? None of what I said suggested it was fair. > You're now becoming the problem that you're complaining about. There's quite a level of hypocrisy here. People leaving and people trolling is a totally different set of problems. One is annoying, but most players will surrender a 4v5 most of the time, so you are not stuck in it as long. Not to mention the lack of ongoing irritation that follows being in a game with a troll. Would rather spend those next 15-20 minutes doing something else. > The correct response would be to mute that player, continue doing your best, and report them post game. As I said, it is not the raging. They can rage however much they want as long as they don't disrupt the game, whoch they do when they take my farm. Actively. Reporting them post game does not stop me from wasting the time in the game and on my level odds are I will not play with the same dude again anytime soon, so how does that solve my problem again? > If you keep playing, you're not "wasting your time". Not only is the game not over until the nexus falls (seriously, I've won games when someone decides they want to intentionally feed and go 0/20. You can recover as a team), but every moment you're in game, you have an oppurtunity to hone your skills, get better at landing that skill shot, improve your rotations - you get the drift here. Whenever I lose lane hard or play bad or %%%% up or I see my mid or jungler go 0/5 in 15 minutes that is exactly the things I do. But how do I use skillshots that are not global, when I am so far behind on gold and exp that I am literally dead if I can see the enemy on my screen? That is what I define as a waste of time, since I mostly play the game to have fun. Sure, it is fun to win and sure it is fun to see myself progress, but when I win a game, that has just been annoying to play the last 20 minutes it is just "meh" at best. > When you AFK that's the only time you're wasting your time. Because not only do you gain nothing positive from it, you also end up breaking the rules, which could end up in yourself getting punished as well. I get a snack or something to drink or watch a funny video to get my mood back up. You call that nothing? > Again, I come back to my point of: Remember - if you AFK, you're ruining the game for everyone else. It doesn't matter to the person who is trolling - when you afk, they win. If you continue playing, your fellow team mates and community will appreciate it, and you win out over the troll who will get punished if it's regular behaviour. I am not playing against them, so there is no winning. Also, how is it not a win for them if they do what they can to be %%%%s but still succeed? But yeah, all in all I fell a little bad for leaving the game, but in my own experience the game does not get better if the player in my position stays. I am just one of many leavers, they won't even think twice about who I really am, so I am not doing it to them personally. Besides, if I break the rules I just get reported post game and if it's regular behaviour I get punished, right? All good. > (Note: apologies for the delayed response. My computer is not available so on here sporadically D:). Eh, totally fine. Gave me some time to not dwelve on this.
: I make errors like any other. But when I watch replays I make them less frequently then most people in silver+ I have played with my friends who are gold - plat and I find it a lot easier playing around that elo, and not because they are bad, just feels more normal. The obvious difference is that we can communicate as there is normally 3-5 of us.
so what you are saying is that you can identify more mistakes in your team mates than in yourself. This just means you are not aware of the mistakes you make. I agree an obvious thing when you play with friends is the communication, which could mean you follow some some calls they make, which are better since they are higher ranked, whether you realize it or not. Also the implicit thing that you trust them more, so when they fx make a baron call you follow and it works, and maybe you don't trust your team mates in solo Q, so when someone makes that same call you don't follow because it seems like a bad idea to our silver mindset. So maybe really try to notice what calls your friends make that you or others don't in your elo?
Mada (EUW)
: Ahh, one of the "my support" guys. It's much better to call it your lane partner.
Actually, you are right. Never thought of it as the possessive characteristic it is. Gonna use that from now on. {{sticker:vlad-salute}}
: Might I suggest looking at a solo player game instead? Leaving games isn't fair on the other people you're playing with - not just the ones on your team, but it ruins the game experience for all 9 other people in the game. You're often better off playing the game out anyway, as it means: A. you're not breaking the rules. B. you're not ruining the experience for others. C. in the long run, you'll actually be saving time vs the leaverbuster queue as well as time wasted afk. I'd suggest you amend this mentality to a more positive one. If you still don't think you can play with others... then yeah I'd go back to suggesting a solo-player game, not a team one.
so what you are suggesting is that I accept and endorse that my support in a normal games does stupid shit, gets caught out and dies before minute 4, flames me for not healing him in a situation that he would not have survived anyways, and afterwards said support proceeds to actively take farm from me, preventing me from ever getting back into the game? I don't mind the guy being too aggressive, nor that he dies, or that he rages in the moment. But when he actively tried to deny me from enjoying the game I have queued for I should just smile and waste the time? Awesome stuff.
Mada (EUW)
: I think you won't get banned for leaving games. You will reach a point where you have to wait 20 minutes before being able to join a game, though
Sounds good {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: I don't think anyone could get banned for simply leaving games. However RioT will never disclose this information precisely, for the very simple reason that they don't want, for example, for every player to leave 7 games a day the moment they know that they are only going to be banned after the eight. They want players to always be on their toes whenever they intentionally do something they should not (and i can't really say they are not right about that).
sounds good {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: Actually beginning to get pissed off.
One thing you need to realize is that you suck. Your teammates suck, yeah, but you do, too. you see them make a bad play and think " boy that's stupid, I would never do that", but you do 1000 other things that one game that would get you killed or otherwise singlehandedly lose your team the game if you were against any kind of competent player(s). So any time you lose, find out why (did the enemy team take baron for free, run it down mid and killed the Nexus?) then think about what Y O U can do to not make that happen again. Yeah, sometimes it is the jungler who gets caught out and the enemy then just takes the baron knowing they have the smite and 5v4, but then how do you make sure next time your jungler does not die when Baron is up for the taking? Like wards, looking for picks yourself, scuttle, pushing lanes etc. No matter how bad your teammates are you are just as bad since you would not be matched with and lose to the people you do otherwise
: No one knows the real answer, or they wont disclose this information.
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Stinklolz (EUW)
: hey man, first of all, my keyboard is broken and can't use capslock. sorry about that. i'm not a pro by any stretch of the imagination but hopefully someone elses take on the situation will be beneficial. the first thing i noticed is when he flashed you shuld have followed with your flash. the valor proc from your e with slow should have been enough damage to kill him. i think what would be more important though is that when he backs you should push the wave fast to his tower, further denying him exp and cs whilst increasing yours. i hope this helps
Hey, appreciate your response. 2 things though: 1. I would need a proc to kill him, yes, but I just used both Q and E, not sure my passive was up, I suspect not. So even if I could flash in range, which I am not sure of, I had no way of killing him, so saving my flash there was definitely right. 2. this I am very much in doubt about. It is the usual thing, yes, but before i put some points into Q I basically have no waveclear, so pushing it all the way from my tower to his seems very unlikely, but I am not totally sure. Though you may be right, even if he got back to lane by the time my minions hit his tower, I should have time to get back before he pushed it back. Assuming he did not freeze on me. {{sticker:vlad-salute}}
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Zualiun (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=FluffyPidgeon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Fm8WncF3,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-05-26T00:35:08.546+0000) > > huh. I don't ever think you will be informed in any way, but I am now certain a conspiracy is behind it all! Just looked at your scores, and saw that they are really good, you should be able to eventually break free from this curse, wish you the best of luck in future games!
ha, thanks, but that is only because I ahve played few games. Whenever I go over 10 games on a champ I start feeding :P
Zualiun (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=FluffyPidgeon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Fm8WncF3,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-25T22:56:12.520+0000) > > I genuinely believe Riot is simply running experiments on random (selected...?) players and cross reference the data with their report system. Twice in a row my rankeds have been like this: I play average, but all in all get carried to my promos for Silver II. Lose promos with 1 win and 2 losses. Few games later I am in promos again, win them. Now, the next 6 (!) games EVERY ONE OF MY TEAM MATES ARE FEEDING. Not like "well, midlane gave Zed a kill and he roamed", nope, every lane single handedly fed their opponent and lost their lane. hard. 6 games in a row. So I demoted to Silver III again. > > Again, all this happened twice in a row, _almost_ as if it was scripted by someone... somewhere... > > And I'm not saying I deserved to win any of those 6 games, but I am saying there is an all too clear pattern emerging. I had exactly the same thing but 3 times in a row, makes me question myself. Sometimes I think Riot is pranking my account and that ill soon get a mail that I was getting pranked by them for an experiment on how players would react to this, sounds crazy but yeah its just a thought.
huh. I don't ever think you will be informed in any way, but I am now certain a conspiracy is behind it all!
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Kian987 (EUW)
: Funny people
well, TO BE FAIR, why were you not playing Kayle and using exp cheat to get level 6 after first buff, so you can head straight top and save your laner? Seems like your fault to me. Also, it is just rude to take kills from people that want them a screen away! Have you no manners?!?!?
Zualiun (EUW)
: Feeding teams lately
I genuinely believe Riot is simply running experiments on random (selected...?) players and cross reference the data with their report system. Twice in a row my rankeds have been like this: I play average, but all in all get carried to my promos for Silver II. Lose promos with 1 win and 2 losses. Few games later I am in promos again, win them. Now, the next 6 (!) games EVERY ONE OF MY TEAM MATES ARE FEEDING. Not like "well, midlane gave Zed a kill and he roamed", nope, every lane single handedly fed their opponent and lost their lane. hard. 6 games in a row. So I demoted to Silver III again. Again, all this happened twice in a row, _almost_ as if it was scripted by someone... somewhere... And I'm not saying I deserved to win any of those 6 games, but I am saying there is an all too clear pattern emerging.
UltraY (EUW)
: we need a new skin for shaco
We need nothing that encourages more people to play him. Case closed.
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: Tip for you, before he ults ping him, the ping stays on the real shaco, helps to shut down his kit, im a lee one trick and this helps to kill him mid game a lot
This is interesting. How long does the ping thingy last for?
QancerClown (EUNE)
: ***
thanks for the tips, the Randiuns thing is useful, and the invading. Though the big problem is that he can have no interaction with me whatsoever, and when mid game comes he is just fed enough to one-shot me and get away before team kill him. By this point I barely have my 2 items for damage, building Randuins seems sketchy. Not to mention the lack of team work and awarenss of invis champs etc. here in Silver. The "buy a littel bit of armor" thing, though... Last game I ws Xayah with 124 armor, he opened on em and did 75% of my health in a second... Didn't die directly, but no way to survive his team with range after that. The infuriating thing about him is that he may be weaker than Kha in 1v1, but if he does not show on the opposite side of the map or tries to kill someone else I am Shröedingers ADC until he shows.
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: If asking them nicely is the problem, then ask them very rudely.
huh. In a twisted way that might actually work! {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
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: How is taking Lee + Eve bot trolling? Sure it's unconventional, but I wouldn't assume malice right away.
in a ranked game, when you are Silver, hence you suck and will definitely lose to a conventional botlane, then you troll. Have you practiced it extensively in normals, finding succes, and then going in? Sure, but they hadn't. Checked op.gg
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Rismosch (EUW)
: Context?
Junglers not ganking top because I asked them nicely.
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Luster24 (EUW)
: [Concept] Banning keystones
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: Your Q is longer range than her R, thus if she ever walks towards you you can shield preemptively in order to deter her or if she does go on you to protect yourself.
So never ever get back line cs?
: If you use a targeted ability out of range then it will move your character into range to try and use it.
so why does she move into their face (100 units or so) when the ability has 600 range?
Kitsu (EUW)
: {{champion:84}} is quite off meta at the moment because how easy you can poke her or nuke her with a squishy mage (thanks runes reforged and co.) If you harass her enough at early game, she can't keep up with her sustain only, and she'll have to back and buy potions, and lose cs. You can also buy defensive items before she get {{item:3145}} or {{item:3146}}, so she'll have a really hard time to kill you. Despite being an assassin, It takes a longer time to get a kill with akali than most other ones, so unless you're pretty low hp (in this case you're making a huge mistake), she can't really dive under your tower like {{champion:7}} or {{champion:238}} do. If you struggle laning against her, sometimes hugging tower is the best solution, better than feeding. Remember, a 0/0/0 {{champion:61}} at min 20 is more useful than a 0/0/0 {{champion:84}} (or almost every other assassin). A tip with {{champion:84}} is to wait a few seconds after landing a mark on the opponent, then dash, proc the mark with AA, and immediately after, landing another mark as the Qspell cooldown has refresh, and proc again with AA. If you know that, you can prevent her from maximizing her burst, and she won't be as much as a threat as you thought. If you dont give her kills 1v1 then you have done your job. Now she'll try to get her meal on other lanes. When you're doing well against her you can push the lane (watch out for enemy ganks), as she's not a very good pusher she'll get constant pressure and it will be difficult for her to roam without losing a lot of farm or the outer mid Turret.
what defensive items do I buy? Considering she not only does magic damage and I need mana to be able to stay in lane, unlike her (boy, giving an assassin endless sustain was a great idea). And staying under tower never worked for me. Yes, I don't die, but she takes tower from sheer minion pressure, and she outfarms me since I have to farm under tower. I know how to farm full health minions under it, but between her slow-ish push and my own minions coming in the meantime many minions just die form 1 tower shot before I can do enough damage myself. And just how does her going bot getting a double kill, instead of a single one on me, make it better? Seriously, no one in my elo looks at the map or care about pings, so they don't ever back off, and I have yet to see a support stopping an assassin from killing our ADC by more than sheer luck. Oh, and ofc it is my fault that I don't just burst her out of lane every time, not theirs for being asshats
: Have the ball on yourself, as soon as she tries to dash on you you can just ult her
I seriously have a hard time seeing this working. So I never ever use my Q to farm, meaning I am always in range for her to dash on me when I want to farm. And then I would have to rely on my combo doing more damage than hers, also given her kit does more damage than mine early. And if I ever use Q to farm, she goes on me before I can shield myself, then I ult and then what?
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: Depends on what kind of squishy, mages should have fairly easy time by just ccing her and then nuking her with combos.
at what point does, say, Orianna nuke Akali, before she ults to you and kills you? Don't see you lading your own ult, ever
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: It’s not enough to just deny farm... that’s going to let him just catch up later on. Instead you’ve got to get a tangible lead on him and translate that lead into something that can end the game... harassing and killing nasus is a good start, that will give you something over him which can be used to get something on the map, if not a good tp gank can secure a lead for your bot lane as well as potentially first tower and/or dragon... get advantages elsewhere on the map so that your team is ahead of theirs significantly. Do that well enough and your going to handicap nasus, he can’t safely afk farm without his team losing too much, and if you’ve done it well enough your team will be far enough ahead to prevent him from solo carrying... and if nasus tries to split push your team can win the 4v4 meaning you can just keep nasus in the side lane. So fighting nasus in large part comes from fighting around him not fighting him directly... he will outscale and he will be able to kill you no matter what you do... but if you make the environment of the game one which nasus can’t actually use that power by setting up the rest of the team for success and taking objectives around nasus as he generally won’t go to try and prevent this will give you exactly what your team needs... the ability to fight nasus’s team while he is gone, and the ability to at least stand against nasus if need be... So that’s the truth in a nasus top lane... your not going to be the one carrying as you’ve got your hands full... so you’ve got to use any opportunity you have to get the people who will carry you to where they need to be
Thing is this doesn't work. Not in my elo anyways. If Nasus gets to free stack he gets to kill my team, since they are stupid enough to a) 1v1 him, and b) are not good enought to get and push an actual lead in other lanes, rendering his split push useless.
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Febos (EUW)
: Hello ~~Azir~~ FluffyPidgeon, Playing against Shaco isn't hard, but you can't control what your team does. That's the hard part. Against a coordinated team, Shaco falls dead flat. Here a few tips to play against Shaco: * Ward his jungle. One of the most important tips. Works for every jungler, but against Shaco is even better. Shaco relies on the element of surprise, so if you take that away from him, by following his every step, then you'll be safer. * Don't ward in "obvious" spots. Just like the point above, Shaco relies on the element of surprise. A good Shaco will avoid your wards, by assuming you placed them in usual places. This is nightmare for Mid and not so much Top, but even there you aren't safe: * Top -> If you are playing Red side, ward the entrace of Blue and place a control in your trybush (for the ward itself). If you are playing Blue side, ward the tribush behind your turret (the one after Gromp) because Shaco can gank from there; leave a control ward in your bush and ask your jungler to ward Scuttler (or kill it). * Mid -> Too many spots to list them all, but generally don't want to ward the entrace to the lane because he'll jump over it. Instead, ward the bush above the Red and the terrain above the entrace to the lane. Don't stick to a side. Keep changing where you place your ward and play around it. * Bot -> Much like top, but inverted. * After laning phase, be sure to have an Oracle because point 2 only works during laning phase. Whenever you are pushing for an objective, be sure to have your Oracle active and your carries protected. Shaco won't jump into your team because he can't escape if he does, unless he's fed. Don't waste your Oracle to clear wards. More often than not, low MMR doesn't make good use of their wards to begin with. To remove them just drop a control and save your Oracle for Shaco, unless you see him somewhere else. * **Never** roam alone. Seriously. Tell your ADC to **not** push "one more wave" when he's 50% HP because **Shaco will be there**, even if he has the support by its side. Shaco can, and will, win a 1v2 if the 2nd champion is the support. While on this point, be sure to ward **everywhere** you go. Are you going to take dragon? Ward his blue and river entrace, if you are Blue side, or ward his Red and Raptor bush, if you are Red side. Once again, Shaco relies on the element of surprise. If you can see him walking towards you, then you can bait him. * In a team fight, before he uses his R, you can "mark" him. Exhaust, Ignite, some champions abilities, etc, will leave a mark on the original and not the Clone. That's the best way to tell them apart. We, Shaco players, tend to learn how to distinguish the real from the fake because we know how we'd move. I suggest you watch some Shaco gameplay to understand the tricks he pulls off. In a general sense that will work, but a good Shaco player can, and will, trick you. Unless you mark them first. * Like with other AD assasins, you can "counter" Shaco by buying armour. Ninja Tabi is a good start. Shaco needs items to deal damage and buying defensive stats is more efficient, short term, than buying offensive. You only need to deny him the mid game. * You can "counter" Shaco during champion select. Just have your support pick a "Healer" if you see Shaco being picked on the other side. Champions like Janna, Lulu, Karma, etc, will do the trick. If your support is Brand, you better pray Shaco doesn't feed off Bot lane. If he does, you lose the game. * Generally, Shaco will gank the lane that can give **him** the most advantage. This is true for every jungler, but more for Shaco. He wants to be fed. Mid is a prime target for Shaco because it's so easy to gank. The best way to go about this is to never extend beyond the middle point of your lane. Once again, this is true for every jungler, but Shaco can appear out of nowhere to ruin your day. Be safe and stay near your turret. If you are low HP, recall. * Finally, the best way to play against Shaco is... don't play against him in the first place by banning him. Everyone on the team can ban 1 champion, including you. But where's the fun in that? :^) As you can see, it isn't that hard to play against Shaco. You just need to deny him the element of surprise and be resistant enough to his initial damage. He really doesn't have much damage in his kit, unlike Kha'Zix. All I said works against the "normal" Shaco. That means AD Jungle Shaco. If he's playing AP Top and he's an OTP, then you'd need different advices. If he's playing AP Jungle Shaco you've won the game automatically.
This is a very comprehensive, good and useful answer. Thanks {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} About the ban thing, I alwasy ban Kayn these days since he sucks most of the time on my team, and when he is on the enemy team he mor eoften than not doesn't gank my lane, but is 9/3 by 15 minutes and one-shots whoever he wants and escapes with ult and E every time... So yeah.
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: Matchmasking sucks monkey balls!
> If you are single go and %%%% ur self or find other low lifes to play it with you. But... I just can't seem to find anyone who wants me {{sticker:sg-janna}}
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Mìmo (EUNE)
: climb ? u mean rank? Few problems i have: - skip waiting for status (bug) few times i get this and cant reconnect on time and I got visit from leaver buster - Fps drops after every patch its worst - after new patch cant buy full items ({{item:3105}} {{item:1033}} =full price {{item:3190}} ) - toxic ppl / afks/flamers / feeders - and so many other .. I only play rank in last month before season ends and then i hit Gold and thats it , last season 25 wins G5 , its not really worth playing rank even if u can get higher its just not worth at least for me
Mìmo (EUNE)
: just trying hit 2 m MP on my main..{{sticker:sg-lulu}}
well, that seems like a hassle {{sticker:sg-zephyr}} . Why not climb while you do it?
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