Shiwah (EUW)
: There's the possibility you didn't actually get reported much. People tend to be more "accommodating" towards toxic teammates if they win... or they used /muteall at the start, so they never saw your chat.
I higly doubt it though it can be the case. I very rarely start the word exchange, so it would be toxic people with chat enabled that would be on the receiving end. I have this feeling they are quick to report
Shiwah (EUW)
: It's more likely that you didn't get reported. The system depends on that to check your behaviour.
But considering what people report for, I should have been reported a few times.
hardys77 (EUNE)
: You were unlucky
Totally agree. I have had my moments of "%%%% you" and other namecalling. Nothing, not even a warning for me. I really don't think the system works as intended.
Fathands (EUW)
: > they have too much mobility and when they come close they deal an absurd amount of damage Wow you just perfectly described what an assassin is about. > or else I quit the game Well this is goodbye then.
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PumpkinX (EUW)
: Is Yasuo op? (With poll)
He is OP Imo - Why? Because he is so annoying he tilts. That is the most OP ability in the game. That and Risk-Free TOWERDIVES!! {{sticker:sg-shisa}}
: Support is more important
How does one support an ADC with horrible positioning that feeds the enemy Draven with kills and is down 50 Cs, yet still walks up? My mistake is to try and save the guy, making me feed as well. That is totally on me, though. Assuming I don't do that, please give advice :)
Renold (EUNE)
: show me how your ad does 1v1 against some1 without shield-cc-heal-dmg -peel then we talk about it.Cuz me until now didnt see 1 good ad.All the time i must engage-do dmg tank peel cc shields and him just follow.Hopefully i must protect him and eat the dmg too and put the enemy in front of him just to do dmg. Yes you want elo you do evrything. And if you wanna know about janna now ardent is op kinda..and if you shield your ad and he cant do dmg then thats a person that deserve bronze or to delete lol.Listen apdo he tells you evrything.
so Support engages in botlane? I agree that can be a good spot. But when you ADC from level 1 goes into poke range until she dies, without switching it up at all, resulting in my engage being dying from 3 AA, hopefully burning 1 CD in the process. How will I carry my ADC through that?
Zantonny (EUW)
: I used to play first time champs in ranked all the time. :(
: I can support this message. Don't play stuff you do not properly know how to play when by doing that you put the LP of other players on the line. It's simply not fair. Having players play role/champions they have abysmal knowledge of in your ranked game feels exactly the same as having an inter in your game, since the situations strongly resemble each other; there's a player that does not have the motivation to try his best for a win, a player that simply cannot be f***ed with the LP the others on his team so passionately care about. Ranked is meant to be a place where everyone tries their best, shows their best assets in order to secure a W, so don't carelessly go into people's ranked games stubbornly picking and doing stuff you are not good at.
Thanks for the supporting words :) Exactly what I mean.
Renold (EUNE)
: AD is not the most important.Support is the 1 who carry ad.
Would like some genuine suggestions on how to carry as Janna with splitpusher top, mage mid, fighter jungle, and ofc ADC bot. Top and mid go even, Jungle and ADC are behind/feed the enemy adc. Oh, and ADC is down 50 farm by 10
Foxynerdy (EUW)
: Everyone started as unskilled at some point, or having a bad winrate. Your post is simply rude. If someone has a low winrate, the best they should do is to find a champion that fits their play style, regardless role and practice on it. One major mistake people do in low elo is that they play several champions in several roles and cannot grasp any of them to a decent level...
As stated, take it to normals, please. I play a lot of stuff as well, but I earned maybe 20k point on Ahri from the moment I decided to take her to ranked until I actually did. Still I have mixed results because I suck, but I have learned to adapt, so i can still win games when my opponent gets a lead and I can't find opportunities to roam. Study what to do as the important role if you fall behind instead of trying to play the one way you know that only works if you happen to get fed.
Rioter Comments
: WW is immune to CC during his R, and I'm quite sure if he does his Q hold he is also "immune to cc". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjBsyAoIZJI
ah. Probably the Q thing then, didn't get ulted. Thanks
Rioter Comments
: Yes, I absolutely loathe that champion alongside Riven and Orianna, because the kit is simply too overloaded. 3 dashes within 3 seconds, incredibly long-lasting charm and don't think that the enormous amount of mobility paired with the overly long charm is being made up for in terms of damage, because BOI does that thing do a lot of damage (partially TRUE DAMAGE as well). And so I was like, you know what, maybe it's not as incredibly easy and overloaded as I think, let's actually play Ahri, maybe it'll prove difficult to play, but nope, there was no difficulty playing Ahri whatsoever, because you don't have to mind your positioning at all, since you can use 3 dashes and your flash freely, and that paired with all the damage in her kit PLUS her charm makes Ahri a disgustingly overloaded champion, and that's why I loathe her. I don't the ''braindeadness'' about Ahri (yes she is, all you have to do is land your charm, which is incredibly easy when you simply ult in someone's face), I do however mind the simply fact that her kit is overloaded as I have repeated many times. It's not like I don't have an answer to her though, I can make the life of an Ahri player into a living nightmare :3. About the boobs; there's many champions in league that are way more attractive than Ahri, without having to try as hard; {{champion:84}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:37}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:44}} And about the exhaust; No it will not reduce your effectiveness in the game. Yes, you wont have as much early kill pressure as with ignite, but taking exhaust along with rushing the armor I mentioned before will also reduce the amount of kill pressure Zed has on you, which is what really matters. Zed relies on snowballing, so the best thing you can do to not give him what makes him the nightmare he is, is denying him the opportunity to get freebies. You have plenty of damage in your kit as it is, and if you just passively farm up early without needlessly going aggro, dying and giving him a substantial lead while also warning other lanes for potential Zed roams and keeping a good vision setup ({{item:2055}} does wonders, legit, buy it!) in order to not needlessly give kills or sums in jungle ganks, you'll be able to build your regular items normally, and you'll be of much more use coming out of laning phase than any average Zed that hasn't gotten the freebies he would like to snowball off of. Short summary; the worst thing you can do is give an assassin free kills, try your best not to do so, even if it means foregoing some CS and killpressure early. Ignite is really greedy into any matchup you don't feel comfortable in any way you turn it, so taking a more defensive option will be much more beneficial than ingite. Exhaust isn't the only viable option, Barrier is also a good option if you feel like going a little more aggressive, cleanse is also good into comps with heavy CC besides Zed in order to not get caught out (cleanse also removes ignite, which most Zeds will have, can be pretty good) and even TP can be good if you feel like basing early to get a quick refresh and buy without losing too much Gold/Exp. TP also gives you the opportunity to roam to Bot/Top in order to get kills you couldn't get in an all in with Zed. Well, there you have it, hope you have been able read through this massive block of text and I hope it has helped. (Never would have thought I would be able keep my composure like this when facing a player of that ''interesting'' champ, much less give advice to help them improve in it :333) (But really though, I hope it helps, as it definitely should be helpful info :3)
Well, you are not wrong in that taric and Ezreal are fabulous in their own ways. Especially the Pink taric {{sticker:sg-jinx}} But I repeat: Boobs. Best boobs? Maybe, maybe not, but boobs none the less. Makes her way batter than Zed by that fact alone {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} Anyways, your tips make sense, will try to take it into my games :) Thanks
XedouliakaZ (EUNE)
: Key Fragments and Hextech Chests
you already get full chests for getting an S on a new champion. I have gotten over 50 chests this season. That is a lot in my opinion
LazySlav (EUNE)
: Well you gotta admit that 0/15/0 in 20min is pretty impressive
: Allright then, if ti wasn't for the upcoming rune changes, I'd advise you to make a rune page specialized for Physical DMG matchups, for instance taking one armor quint instead of an AP one. Something you can also do is simply rushing Tabi + seekers and take exhaust, since that will reduce his all-in potential and damage by a significant amount. This is very effective on any mage playing into a physical DMG assassin. If you do that, you should be able to sit back, farm up, waveclear and give Zed no pressure on you and also give him no time to roam by keeping the wave pushed in (assuming you play that ''interesting'' champ Ahri, that should be a piece of cake). Also something that might be of use when facing Zed is that he always appears in the same spot after he ults you, and he cannot R back to his initial shadow for 1 second after he uses ult, so keeping that in mind, you might be able to CC the dude when he ults. That's all the advice I can give you against Zed other than simply not playing Ahri into him (or playing Ahri at all, really....)
I get the feeling you really don't like Ahri...? Some kind of Trauma? :P whatever the case, I have 1 counterargument: Boobs. Nuff said. About the Exhaust, does it not significantly reduce my killpressure if I don't have ignite?
Renold (EUNE)
: his q does less dmg if you stay behind minions so at lv 1 if he tries to farm is easy to poke him.VERY EASY. And when he tries to poke he uses a lot of energy you can always go in after that.And try to dodge.Its easy to miss skills as ZED.
So basically, stand in minions, answer Q with Q? But he only uses most of his energy if he does a full combo, right? So how does 1 Q affect his energy to such an extent I can go in based on that?
: Am I bad at league of legends?
well, you are just about at my level. So yes. Yes you are {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
Renold (EUNE)
: {{champion:103}} have range so abuse him until lv 3 really easy..at lv 6 ahri have 3 flashes -her ult.I find harder to go with {{champion:238}} against ahri then viceversa. Zed is not range so its easy to deal with at least until lv 6.
But how do I abuse it? If I spam Q I run oom, if I aa, minions aggro on me and wave pushes to him for free farm. and if he does not want to be near me, he just uses Q for farm and WEQ for big poke.
FNC sqz (EUW)
: As Ahri, you are ranged champion, use your micro plays (champ mechanics, dodging) to harras zed till he will hit lvl 3, then it's quite OP. Throw at him Q everytime he will want to last hit minion. He will have to decide if he wanna take the damage and farm or trade with you. Make sure you will hit 6 first. After zed will hit 6, and ults you, be ready to charm behind you. Zeds ult will place him behind you, so just walk straight and at the last second of his ult, drop charm behind you then R away, deal damage, if he flash on you, flash away and R to his ult shadow, be ready to all in with ignite. Done.
That is advice, thank you. Now I just need the skill to pull it off {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} Will look at the video as well, thanks :)
: You may want to consider playing another champ into Zed if you're not comfortable as it is. Besides from my personal hate and disgust for Ahri and Ahri players, some neutral advice that I can give is that it's very useful to have a few champs ready to play into specific matchups instead of simply playing one champ all the time.
I agree if not for 2 points: I am silver, so my mechanical prowess hinges on experience with a single champion. Hence I would need a lot of games on someone other to reach a comparable level. Furthermore am i not always last pick, so Zed picks into me sometimes. And no, I don't ban him, since Fizz is gg for me atm, so I ban him. Zed is slightly easier to handle for me. Edit: Also Zed is what he is into any squishy. assuming I don't improve my general mechanics and awareness I would need another champion to me more mobile and/or tanky to play into him. Tried Lissandra today, he just pokes me down, so the Ult for ult trade doesn't matter
arthur2341 (EUNE)
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zssbFpGsmmA
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: go ham at lvl 1. ahri is ranged, zed is not. try to zone him out while you can. he will eventually push back because he has no mana but you should be able to hold until lvl 6. at this point, he will try to dive you. stay under your tower and charm him when he does it. this will prevent him from killing you. get zhonias and you're g2g. this match-up is kinda dumb because ahri can't kill a good zed but zed can't kill a good ahri either. whoever tries to force a kill is the one who ends up dying. just focus on helping your team and ignore the match-up.
In my experience, all that does is make the wave push into him, so he can freefarm under tower, and I am overextended.
Zantonny (EUW)
: Hey chap, it's not always about using spells. Sometimes the best you can do is not use them. While they're up, you have pressure on him. the second you use them he walk forward and do what he likes. If you hold your abilities, the charm especially, he's forced to play from a defensive position to avoid excessive poke. If he uses his W, wait for it to time out, then poke him a little, still keeping charm back in case he attempts to fight back. If you see the jungler on map, you can take an aggressive position on your melee creep line, zoning him off of CS. Keeping your opponent behind is the goal here, not killing him. I know it's not a video, but that's the basic idea.
makes sense. Never thoiught of holding my charm before 6. Thanks
Ìxeas (EUW)
: No video, but if he plays aggressive early you should punish him. Barrier/Exhaust + Zhonya's makes almost impossible for him to kill you.
Sure. He W on me EQ for Thunderlords and burst and stays back. so I move closer to be able to use my spells. Funny thing is, he backs off. Who would have thought?
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=FluffyPidgeon,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=30lRi8h8,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-15T20:27:15.947+0000) > > You can definitely carry as support, no doubt. It is just harder, since you don't do damage and low elo people like us can't reliably make a bad adc good. Though I can give some general tips to make it a bit easier. I am not good at this myself, but I have picked it up from high elo players: > > Big stuff: > - wave management. if you are pushed under tower or gets a kill/pokes out the enemy, push the wave as fast as possible under enemy tower. It will damage their tower and rob them of gold and exp. No last-hitting, blow all your mana and AA constantly, ignore your ADC for flaming you for taking a cs or 2. They lose more than you, so you get an advantage. Also the wave will then push into you so you can freeze the wave or simply have time to back before it reaches your tower. Important thing is, though, if the enemy waves comes before you get yours under tower, make sure there is less than 4 minions more in your wave than theirs. If there is 4-5 it will freeze outside their, effectively screwing yourself over. > - warding. Whenever possible, get a ward in the river and not just in the lane bush. It gives you a few seconds more to react when the jungler comes. Do Scuttlecrab when possible for the same reason. Also, if you can get a ward by the enemy blue/red buff. it will be good information about the enemy jungler. > - Shotcalling. You do not have to worry about lasthitting, so spend your time not trading in lane looking at your map. Is dragon up? Herald/baron? Did the enemy jungler just die? Did you get an advantage in lane? Make the call, so your team mates can focus on their stuff. > -Roam. Did you just push wave into tower and are low on gold but high in mana and health? Roam mid/get deep wards in enemy jungle. You don't need to secure the kill, blow the enemy's summoners if you can, or simply get some damage done/make them back off for some free cs for your laner. That is a succesful roam, and you can go back bot in time for the wave to crash into your tower. Though make sure to ping your adc to stay back > > Small stuff: > - Prepping minions under tower. Does it take 2 AA for a minion to die before tower hits it again? AA before your ADC so he gets the cs. > - AA the enemy. If you are ranged, whenever you can get that AA in. It is maybe 40ish damage, but 10x? 400 damage. Wither then down before the all-in. > > Practice this stuff and you will probably get better. You may not feel like you carry very much, but if done correctly your adc will have better farm, have more farm and exp than the enemy, bot and mid will die less to ganks, and you will secure objectives. Hope it helps > > {{sticker:vlad-salute}} Hey, thanks I'll see if i can put this to good use.
: I never ward the lane bush , and i ward past 3 mins the river bush . About the peel , I do use anything when possible , except when I play with friends . They are used to getting the lantern , so I usually don`'t have to use the other spells . I do poke a lot , early game for sure . I have this "routine" . I call the jungler to gank , we get the bot tower then we go drake . I don't always call the objectives , but it's still better than my roaming.
Sounds to me like you simply need to improve in a few areas and you have the fundamentals down :) At least you have the same knowledge base as I do, so happy climbing :)
: > [{quoted}](name=FluffyPidgeon,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=30lRi8h8,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-15T18:30:19.438+0000) > > To leech onto an often.used stereotype about bronze: Don't chase the kills, go for objectives. your goal is to kill 5 towers, 1 inhib and 1 nexus. that is all. Everything else are just distractions to make it take more than 5 minutes to do so. My suggestion would be to stop playing support and pick a champion with really good pushing power, maybe with some poke. If you push the lane faster than your opponent, tower takes damage. If you poke your opponent out of lane, you push the wave and damage tower. You get no kills? No problem, you get gold form CS and taking towers. > Ultimately, though, if you want to climb there is no other way than getting better. Maybe not mechanically for the sick outplays, but learn to not die in lane, learn to cs properly and learn to make the good objective calls. That way you can carry your team to victory with no kills whatsoever Ok i'll try to use this advice going forward. But there's a problem. I enjoy playing support and find it fun, is there a solution to this or do i need to suck it up and take it like a man?
You can definitely carry as support, no doubt. It is just harder, since you don't do damage and low elo people like us can't reliably make a bad adc good. Though I can give some general tips to make it a bit easier. I am not good at this myself, but I have picked it up from high elo players: Big stuff: - wave management. if you are pushed under tower or gets a kill/pokes out the enemy, push the wave as fast as possible under enemy tower. It will damage their tower and rob them of gold and exp. No last-hitting, blow all your mana and AA constantly, ignore your ADC for flaming you for taking a cs or 2. They lose more than you, so you get an advantage. Also the wave will then push into you so you can freeze the wave or simply have time to back before it reaches your tower. Important thing is, though, if the enemy waves comes before you get yours under tower, make sure there is less than 4 minions more in your wave than theirs. If there is 4-5 it will freeze outside their, effectively screwing yourself over. - warding. Whenever possible, get a ward in the river and not just in the lane bush. It gives you a few seconds more to react when the jungler comes. Do Scuttlecrab when possible for the same reason. Also, if you can get a ward by the enemy blue/red buff. it will be good information about the enemy jungler. - Shotcalling. You do not have to worry about lasthitting, so spend your time not trading in lane looking at your map. Is dragon up? Herald/baron? Did the enemy jungler just die? Did you get an advantage in lane? Make the call, so your team mates can focus on their stuff. -Roam. Did you just push wave into tower and are low on gold but high in mana and health? Roam mid/get deep wards in enemy jungle. You don't need to secure the kill, blow the enemy's summoners if you can, or simply get some damage done/make them back off for some free cs for your laner. That is a succesful roam, and you can go back bot in time for the wave to crash into your tower. Though make sure to ping your adc to stay back Small stuff: - Prepping minions under tower. Does it take 2 AA for a minion to die before tower hits it again? AA before your ADC so he gets the cs. - AA the enemy. If you are ranged, whenever you can get that AA in. It is maybe 40ish damage, but 10x? 400 damage. Wither then down before the all-in. Practice this stuff and you will probably get better. You may not feel like you carry very much, but if done correctly your adc will have better farm, have more farm and exp than the enemy, bot and mid will die less to ganks, and you will secure objectives. Hope it helps {{sticker:vlad-salute}}
: I actually think there's something wrong with the matchmaking... again.
To leech onto an often.used stereotype about bronze: Don't chase the kills, go for objectives. your goal is to kill 5 towers, 1 inhib and 1 nexus. that is all. Everything else are just distractions to make it take more than 5 minutes to do so. My suggestion would be to stop playing support and pick a champion with really good pushing power, maybe with some poke. If you push the lane faster than your opponent, tower takes damage. If you poke your opponent out of lane, you push the wave and damage tower. You get no kills? No problem, you get gold form CS and taking towers. Ultimately, though, if you want to climb there is no other way than getting better. Maybe not mechanically for the sick outplays, but learn to not die in lane, learn to cs properly and learn to make the good objective calls. That way you can carry your team to victory with no kills whatsoever
Renold (EUNE)
: Nerf only skilled champs with low winrate??
All nerfs to Zed are good nerfs. hate that guy
: I do know I word enough , maybe not smart enough . About roaming , it depends on the enemy bot lane and the pressure they put on but . Usually if I win lane , I do roam mid . About the adc stuff , I'm not sure what you are trying to say . If you mean like communicate , I don't everything , but I ping cooldowns for summs and abilities . I do try to deny exp or cs whenever I can , recently I play against a lot of poke comps so I can't do much . One problem is maybe my build path , and I'm trying to fix it . And about looking at the map , I do pay attention to it .
based on what you say, if I may make some suggestions: Ward up the river, or the enemy buff, not just the lane bush. Will give you some extra seconds to back off from a gank Maybe you should try to find windows to roam, even when you lose lane to get your mid further ahead, so he can carry a bit until your adc comes online. No matter how much you are pressured, the enemy adc and support will back at some point. Let your adc farm/push and then go mid and/or get some deep wards. Also gives more exp for your adc About the peel, I mean do you just throw your lantern and run, or do you flay/ult if needed? When you can, poke back. Thresh has that mean passive auto, so when fx Sona used Q, you have a few seconds to walk up, hopefully in range, and smash her or the adc a time or 2 before it is back up. It is good you look at the map, but do you make dragon/tower/baron/herald calls? If not, maybe try to focus on that to identify when the jungler is somewhere else, or some strong enemy died etc. And bonus info: I revcently learned that you can basically extrapolize where the jungler is at all times. Fx enemy mid is gone, you see him reapper from the direction of their blue. You look mid, enemy mid has blue buff, so jungler was at blue. Now he will probably do gromp and wolves, or maybe gank. If you do not see a gank, or see him in river from your deep ward, he probably moved to red side to take some camps, looking for a gank mid/sidelane. Such details may let you know when you can go ham bot even though you have had no vision of the jungler for the last minute :) Hope it helps :)
: I need a champion recommendations
I like Diana. And she has been described as Moon Akali by some
: Hardstuck S2 Support Main
Do you ward enough? Do you ward smart enough? How much do you roam? Do you actively peel for your adc or just do stuff and hope he follows suit? do you pressure the enemy in lane by denying cs/exp? Do you help your adc to cs difficult minion, eg under tower? Do you have a flexible build path or do you do the same every single game? Do you look at the map and make (good) objective calls? These are some things I have picked up from watching various guides form high elo players. Hope there is something you can think about with it {{sticker:vlad-salute}}
TwoLove (EUNE)
: IS KDA IMPORTANT ???
Press caps again and try to use punctuation. thank you {{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
: > [{quoted}](name=FluffyPidgeon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=oB6PyfsJ,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-10-14T13:44:17.539+0000) > > it doesn't matter how many people report you in a game. 1 or 9, same result. If you are reported and you have done nothing wrong, the reports do nothing to you whatsoever Yeah but ppl who false report u shohuld be the ones punished, anyway, there is nothing better coming out from this item it just promotes all the wrong values posibile in this game
agreed. Just wanted to ease your mind that those four reports would never get you banned or punished in any way :)
: It reached the point where ppl flame and trash talk u if u dont play it and the whole 4 man team does it reports u, and since those are 4 reports u prolly get banned also, its actualy promoting toxicity and an unhealthy meta
it doesn't matter how many people report you in a game. 1 or 9, same result. If you are reported and you have done nothing wrong, the reports do nothing to you whatsoever
: I dont understand why ardent still exists in the game
Well, Ardent had been in it's broken state since I started playing, around a year ago... It was something else that changed which amde it so powerful
BloopyLad (EUW)
: Can I Just Say a MASSIVE THANKS to the Maintenance Team!
EpicLoLer (EUW)
: > It is common courtesy to announce your intended role no, it's not, that's not "announcing" that's claiming arrogantly. there is no point in communication your preferred roles in blind pick, if you have any preferred role, you play draft pick. if you are concerned about team composition, you don't play blind pick, you play draft pick. By you arrogantly claiming a role in blind pick you are acting like an 8 year old desperately invoking the rule of "dibs" and demanding everybody obeys. I'm really glad draft pick exists, that way, i don't have to deal with arrogant, entitled, self-righteous little brats like you.
> no, it's not, that's not "announcing" that's claiming arrogantly. there is no point in communication your preferred roles in blind pick, if you have any preferred role, you play draft pick. if you are concerned about team composition, you don't play blind pick, you play draft pick. That is announcing. If you are not first to call, say, top, I ahve seen on multiple occassions players asking something like "I really wanna practice my Riven, can I pls top?". Sometimes you get your role for that, sometimes you don't. You can't always get your preferred role, no matter what mode you play. It is very arrogant to claim you should get that every game, in spite of a huge player base with the same preferred position as you exist. > By you arrogantly claiming a role in blind pick you are acting like an 8 year old desperately invoking the rule of "dibs" and demanding everybody obeys. So by instalocking you are not "arrogantly claiming a role in blind pick you are acting like an 8 year old desperately invoking the rule of "dibs" and demanding everybody obeys." > I'm really glad draft pick exists, that way, i don't have to deal with arrogant, entitled, self-righteous little brats like you. I am as well, just because I can then get my role most of the time instead of having to fight over it with sub-par ping and instalockers.
: >so you want to have fun but is totally okay with locking in a pick and impacting the experience negatively for someone who followed the agreed upon consensus for most of the players? ... right, that was stupid of me to expect something else. For the sake of the argument, I said that I didn't care where I go. Now, whether you believe that everyone should follow a meta-pick or not is another discussion. I will note that you're using too the team experience when it's convenient for your argument. In fact, I feel like I should quote again : >consensus for most of the players I love how bad manners, courtesy, consensus, team experience or whatever you want to call them are only brought up when they are convenient, despite the fact that I have described earlier everything that really happens in there. But still, while it does not affect me anymore, I still love how nobody mentions that the "consensus" of the first call first get is absolutely unfair to people who either have a slow internet, a slow computer or simply who cannot type fast. In my opinion what your "consensus" or way to improve the overall "team experience" should be is to have people use the 85sec to discuss what they should do and then pick accordingly instead of going with the first call, but that's just me being a stupid girl I guess. Whatever. Until Riot specifically mentions in the rules that you have an obligation to obey whatever role the others want you to pick, I think I'll still choose to ignore them.
> ... right, that was stupid of me to expect something else. > For the sake of the argument, I said that I didn't care where I go. Now, whether you believe that everyone should follow a meta-pick or not is another discussion. I will note that you're using too the team experience when it's convenient for your argument. You don't care where you go. Gotcha. What is not fun though is the Riven one-trick, who gets support, picks Riven (surprise!), plays like Riven top, who is behind yet goes in for no reason, and blames the ADC for not following up on the bad play. May have worked 1v1 top, but not in bot. I use the team experience, yes, because that IS my argument. If you do anything on any of the maps it will be for the team experience. I will never not use it as an argument unless it is totally unrelated to the topic, for example how you play X into Y. > I love how bad manners, courtesy, consensus, team experience or whatever you want to call them are only brought up when they are convenient, despite the fact that I have described earlier everything that really happens in there. I have played my fair share of blind pick as well. My experience is that it is worse than draft, because 1: Too many Zeds and Yasuos (hate those guys), 2: people like you who instalock and decide to %%%% everyone elses experience. People flame and troll the same no matter what kind of normals you play, in my experience. If your experience is as bad as you say, I truly feel for you and I could understand how you would get fed up with it, though not condoning your reaction to it. > But still, while it does not affect me anymore, I still love how nobody mentions that the "consensus" of the first call first get is absolutely unfair to people who either have a slow internet, a slow computer or simply who cannot type fast. I never claimed it was fair. Extremely annoying to call a lane 0,5 secs after someone else. Yet when the game starts I will ahve more fun in another role (probably support), than fighting some dude over CS and kills in another lane with our ADC doing horribly botlane. I like to play this game for the win and to improve. If I can not meet those parameters I will rarely have fun. An exception is this one game I had at around elvel 10 or so where I could barely rightclick something, and the whole team went on a 5-man mission from one lane to the other, to the next, just to get a kill and move on. It was so absurd I laughed out loud the whole game. > In my opinion what your "consensus" or way to improve the overall "team experience" should be is to have people use the 85sec to discuss what they should do and then pick accordingly instead of going with the first call, but that's just me being a stupid girl I guess. You don't strike me as being stupid, but grumpy and set in your ways. I could sympathize with that is I set my mind to it. Normal blind pick is a place where the fastest ping wins, and that is what it is. You play it and find some way to handle it (preferrably a good way for all), or you go play draft, so you get your preferred role regardless of your ping. Do you risk your champion getting banned or picked before you? Yes. But you suck it up and get your champion next time and improve with some other champion in the meantime, since that is always a risk when you play ranked, which I would argue normals are a preperation for. At least taht is how I use them. > Whatever. Until Riot specifically mentions in the rules that you have an obligation to obey whatever role the others want you to pick, I think I'll still choose to ignore them. It is not Riot that you piss off by instalocking, it is other players in your immediate impending game. Is is between you and them "rules" exist. Getting along is so much nicer than being a rebel for the sake of rebellion.
: > If two people want same position, say jungle, but it is agreed that I'll stop you there because this just never happens in blind pick. It's "first call, my lane" and people couldn't care less about what happens in the other lanes. They will throw a random "where is my supp???" or "we need a jungler" but nobody will go and pick that role, that's just hypocrisy. If they cared about the team they would go fill that role that oh we needed so much. >Like Evelynn a lot fo champions are suited to a few roles While I do agree this is still blind pick. It's just my experience but so far I've seen that the people with unconventional teams are usually the ones winning, because they don't spend their time flaming each others. And to be honest I'd rather have a Lux/Morgana duo bot losing but having fun and being positive in the chat than yet another Tresh/Cait or Blitz/Jhin that will just start flaming each others and blame the jungler for no ganks if something gets wrong. I'm not even talking about the Yasuo mid that will start to steal our jungler farm because he's not 10/0/0 after 8min.
> [{quoted}](name=Lys Shallia,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=W29GKsmo,comment-id=0003000100000000,timestamp=2017-10-13T18:32:30.488+0000) > > I'll stop you there because this just never happens in blind pick. It's "first call, my lane" and people couldn't care less about what happens in the other lanes. They will throw a random "where is my supp???" or "we need a jungler" but nobody will go and pick that role, that's just hypocrisy. If they cared about the team they would go fill that role that oh we needed so much. So in blind pick you have never had a team composition of 2 bot, 1 mid, 1 top and 1 jungle?!? In my experience that is almost always the case. Aside from that, if you are the first to call ADC in chat, why should you go supp for someone who was the second to call jungle and didn't want adc to begin with? > While I do agree this is still blind pick. It's just my experience but so far I've seen that the people with unconventional teams are usually the ones winning, because they don't spend their time flaming each others. I do not agree that is why they are winning. it wopuld be because of pocket picks/no knowledge from the enemy team of the unconventional pick in that particular role. But if you play worse from being flamed why don't you 1. get better, or 2. mute chat? Problem solved (I am merely Silver level, so I am not good, red.) > And to be honest I'd rather have a Lux/Morgana duo bot losing but having fun and being positive in the chat than yet another Tresh/Cait or Blitz/Jhin that will just start flaming each others and blame the jungler for no ganks if something gets wrong. so you want to have fun but is totally okay with locking in a pick and impacting the experience negatively for someone who followed the agreed upon consensus for most of the players? > I'm not even talking about the Yasuo mid that will start to steal our jungler farm because he's not 10/0/0 after 8min. Firstly, it is Yasuo, what do you expect? Secondly, when you hit midgame CS is free for all. The sooner the jungle camps are killed after they spawn the more efficiently your team will get gold. If you are jungling and your team has taken some of your camps, then tax some lanes, when it makes sense, and/or invade and take the enemy's camps.
: What is this useless Gargoyle Stoneplate nerf?
maybe it was estimated you die 91 seconds after it goes on cd, so it was not fair to be able to use it twice in a skirmish? {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} Not a clue, is just strange
: > [{quoted}](name=FluffyPidgeon,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=W29GKsmo,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-10-12T15:00:53.243+0000) > > It is just bad manners. It is common courtesy to announce your intended role like everyone else, so you get a team composition and not 5 mages running it down mid. Instead you instalock and be like "I locked in Evelynn, so I must be jungle" without carring about anyone other than your sorry little, and frankly quite unsightful, ass. blind pick and ranked are 2 different worlds, ranked is serious buissness while blind pick can be used to train and play whatever you want do play.
I agree that Normals are the place to try out stuff and then take it to ranked when you feel comfortable enought o win with it. But how do you practice for a ranked scenario when you get bad champions for bad roles without the meta composition you expect to meet in a ranked game? Specifically, how do you learn to play Lux if you are 1 in 5 mages that all decide to go mid, because, instalock = lane?
: Oh the irony. >without carring about anyone other than your sorry little, and frankly quite unsightful, ass. Please do tell how it is different from you calling for "mid" and not caring about whatever might happen from there? "I said mid first, I SAID MID FIRST I DONT CARE %%%% OFF" I just love how people like you are always acting like they're the best people out there. You only use the team excuse when it's convenient. While I don't know about others, I wasn't an instantlocker but I became one when I got tired of dealing with the overall negativity you face in blind pick. . If you pick support and something goes wrong, it's your fault, you get insulted during the whole game and reported at the end. . If you pick jungle and someone loses a lane, it's your fault for not ganking, you get insulted during the whole game and reported at the end. . If you pick mid or top and something goes wrong, it's your fault for not roaming, you get insulted during the whole game and reported at the end. . If you pick adc and something goes wrong, it's your fault for "being a bronze", you get insulted during the whole game and reported at the end. Since it always seems to be your fault all the time, I decided to just lock my champion and not care about the others anymore. If I'm in a good mood, I'll still go to the free lane, I don't really care in what lane I go as long as I play the champion I want. But turns out that after 2 or 3 games, I lose my good mood because of the flamers so at this point I just go where I want and focus on objectives. And also note that while I lock my champion, you have 85sec to decide if you want me to go somewhere. You have 85sec to talk with the whole team about pretty much everything. But you decide instead to use those 85sec to start flaming, and extent those 85sec to 30~40min of flaming for the rest of the game. I've even decided to play a little game on my own : Whenever someone asks me in a normal or polite manner to go somewhere, I do so if only as a thanks for being able to formulate a non-flame sentence. And the fun part is that In the past months, I've met only 7 or 8 people being able to do so.
> Please do tell how it is different from you calling for "mid" and not caring about whatever might happen from there? "I said mid first, I SAID MID FIRST I DONT CARE %%%% OFF" You can get position in 2 ways: lock in your champion or lock in the position. If two people want same position, say jungle, but it is agreed that a jungle and a support is better than two junglers and no support, you work it out for one to go support and that way both people lock in a suitable champion. Same two people choose to get their preferred position, jungle, by locking in the champion, you either end up with two stubborn junglers or a jungler and a Nocturne support. I know which of the 2 scenarios I prefer. > I just love how people like you are always acting like they're the best people out there. You only use the team excuse when it's convenient. If I act like i am one of the best people out there I sincerely apologize, that was never my intention. I just don't like people who don't give a %%%%, so I choose to follow the way I believe makes people the least salty to get the better game. It seems most players agree with this way of doing things, so it works out well for most of us. Gotta wonder why. > . If you pick support and something goes wrong, it's your fault, you get insulted during the whole game and reported at the end. this is called playing League of Legends > . If you pick jungle and someone loses a lane, it's your fault for not ganking, you get insulted during the whole game and reported at the end. this is called playing League of Legends > . If you pick mid or top and something goes wrong, it's your fault for not roaming, you get insulted during the whole game and reported at the end. this is called playing League of Legends > . If you pick adc and something goes wrong, it's your fault for "being a bronze", you get insulted during the whole game and reported at the end. this is called playing League of Legends > Since it always seems to be your fault all the time, I decided to just lock my champion and not care about the others anymore. if you do what you can to improve your play you will play with better players. At some point players are good enough to know when they themselves played badly and understand they should have played something differently considering some other guy did not indetify the perfect plays. > If I'm in a good mood, I'll still go to the free lane, I don't really care in what lane I go as long as I play the champion I want. > But turns out that after 2 or 3 games, I lose my good mood because of the flamers so at this point I just go where I want and focus on objectives. Why not stop playing after 2-3 games so you are always in a good mood when playing? SHouldn't this game be something you do for fun? > And also note that while I lock my champion, you have 85sec to decide if you want me to go somewhere. You have 85sec to talk with the whole team about pretty much everything. But you decide instead to use those 85sec to start flaming, and extent those 85sec to 30~40min of flaming for the rest of the game. So you lock in, say Evelynn, then you encourage your team to decide where you should go? Like Evelynn a lot fo champions are suited to a few roles, and while they can function in others they are simply just inferior unless you are simply that much better than your opponents. IF you are, why are you smurfing at this level? Gl with your Evelynn ADC vs Twitch with Janna. > I've even decided to play a little game on my own : Whenever someone asks me in a normal or polite manner to go somewhere, I do so if only as a thanks for being able to formulate a non-flame sentence. And the fun part is that In the past months, I've met only 7 or 8 people being able to do so. That is a good game. You should keep that up {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: > [{quoted}](name=FluffyPidgeon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=L3TH0F4P,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-10-12T22:18:07.483+0000) > > so he has to towerdive with no consequences or he sucks? Pretty much, and that's why he really needs a rework.
damn, that's lame af. {{sticker:sg-shisa}}
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: PLEAZE HELP ME HOW CAN I STOP FLAMING/TILTING
You don't flame, but tell them straight up what they are doing is stupid, because such and such. That is not flaming, that is explaining, and you get your frustrations out. Have done that for months, no ban yet.
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