: Are you serious? So using the in game chat at all is report-able? I don't understand this are not we supposed to say anything anymore? Provoking the enemy is ban-able? I really don't get you guys, why don't you disable chat if we are not allowed to say anything? Do you like restricting and punish people? Do you feel powerful doing so?
reportable =/= punishable You can report for whatever you want. If you believe someone is using the chat in a wrong way, sure, report them. If you believe provoking isn't allowed, sure, report them. However, if you feel like provoking should be allowed, don't report for it. It's as easy as that. However, reporting for something doesn't automatically mean Riot Games will punish for it. If others agree with you, Riot won't punish for it, after all, they *need* reports in order to punish people. If the whole community were to suddenly say harassment is okay and *no one* would ever report anyone for harassment again, Riot wouldn't punish for it anymore, at least not the way the system is currently. Maybe they'd reshape the system, maybe they'd just close their servers, but most likely, they'd just accept the changes in the community and would try to appeal to the new interests of the community to keep running as a company. If *everyone* were to report people for posting question marks in the chat, Riot would most likely start punishing for it. If they wouldn't, they'd also face the same problem of their community going away, ranting and all that, in large masses, because they don't agree with Riots' policies. They'd *need* to punish for it in order to keep running as a company. Whether or not these scenarios are realistic is up for you to decide. I'm just stating the possibilities and what is most likely to happen, and what has already happened in fact. You see, "gg ez" wasn't punished for back when Riot developed the Instant Feedback System. Back then, this term didn't even exist. Only later did it come into existence. However, a majority of the community believed that "gg ez" was unsportsmanlike and they reported people for it. In the end, Riot decided to start punishing people for writing "gg ez" in the chat. Their system is designed to automatically pick up on these trends and then send it to Riot for review.
: if question marking is punishable, why emote, mastery , laugh, taunt, dance bm's are not? it's the same thing. You might aswell remove chat and any possible BM from the game.
reportable =/= punishable I mentioned that you can and *should* report people for it if you think they should stop that kind of behavior for whatever reason. If the majority of the community ends up reporting people for posting "?" to trigger the enemy or such, they'll punish for it and if the majority doesn't report people for posting "?" to trigger the enemy, then they won't punish for it. Basically, I felt like the OP wanted to search for a potential rule that was broken or something like this to justify their report, when really, you don't need to break any rules or something to justify a report. We should shape the rules, not the rules us. I didn't express my opinion on the matter, if it should be punished or things like that. I don't feel like the OP intended for the discussion to be about whether or not *you* would report for it, but rather if the *OP* **can** report for it.
nobotninja (EUNE)
: This is actually pretty interesting to know. I was never really sure whether it's a learning AI, or if it's just a number check (you have X, you get punished for it) - if this makes sense. The thing is (also the problem) that it's not just a "?" in chat, but the whole behaviour in the game (maybe he was spamming the chat, asking us to ff as well, mastery spamming, and other micro stuff that makes sense in the context of the game, but might not be for a programme, or without watching a replay). Also, if that "?" happened due to something genunely weird ({{champion:412}} {{item:3690}} still going off after {{champion:69}} ulti - which technically had to be cast first, but it's not often you see this interaction). If you report that person, but for something else, maybe the learning process won't be exact...? (I guess this "evens out" the more data you have, but I'm just _pretending_ that I understand how this works. Still find it interesting, though.) By the way, does typing anything into the commentary have any effect at all? There were a bunch of times I explained what happened in-game, and provided screenshots and/or translations of what someone was saying (e.g. he was swearing/flaming in my language, not English), while other times I just checked the boxes as I really couldn't be bothered to deal with them more. > Even if something does not end up getting punished for, sending reports isn't only a way of punishing those that Riot wants to punish, but to also present your opinion on what should be punished. I'm sure you'll never release this data, but it'd be so interesting to see it (the general ideas, by regions/servers, elo, game type, demographic,what's really high on the list from all the misbehaviours). I'm sure there are concepts that are both wanted to be punished and not (or should be based on context somehow), e.g. starting a surrender vote. I know I started a bunch as I couldn't see as doing any damage, and getting back from a 10-20-30 kills deficit, just like I refused to surrender games where I thought we had a fighting chance, and I knew I had the damage. I also think about reporting someone for a lost game - if we couldn't do anything, it sucks, but there's nothing to do about it. But when someone ragequits, or tried really hard not to help win, or goes afk in a way that they won't get an afk warning, and the system doesn't acknowledge them as afk (e.g. someone waiting to take the chickens even though they are not up and the enemy just by the way casually walks into our base and we're 4v5, because he went into a rage mode). My personal pet peeve is when someone's not hitting the Nexus. I've lost close games before with high death timers, because we were ending, but my team mates decided to suicide into the enemy fountain, or not hit it and just dancing there. The enemy came back up, killed them as they were still dancing and ended the game. They might've thought it was funny, or it was a sure win, so who cares, but in my mind, they were intentionally throwing the game. There's also this weird idea some players have (I've seen it happen), that regardless of you inting, swearing, or flaming, "it's just ARAM, you cannot report me". I can. I did. You can have fun, and be (semi-) competitive, _and_ not flame either teams. I know, it's crazy talk. Who would believe such a thing? I miss the days when I didn't have to report someone in almost every game (I might've 2,5-3k games this season, and I'm quite sure more than half of it ended with a report), and I could honor my team mate, and an enemy, because it was a good game. Also, I'd like to see data on whether and how much of someone being a flamer affects their team and the chances of winning (that game and overall). But I'm not sure it exists besides my personal experiences. (Not to mention - and I'm taking the negative side here -, that some forms of trolling have been legitimized by Riot themselves, so you "can" do it, but that doesn't mean your team mates will like it (regardless of who's right), or even that you'll win. You wanna play inting {{champion:14}}, {{item:3091}} {{item:3091}} {{item:3091}} {{item:3091}} {{item:3091}} {{item:3091}} {{champion:131}}, you can do it. You don't even have to do any research as to how or why. The line between "meta", "off-meta", not the strongest picks, situational ones, and trolling are getting blurrier in my opinion, and that could lead down to a rabbit hole.)
You seem to have a slightly wrong idea, I'm not a Rioter, I'm part of Riot Games' Volunteer Program. I can only give you information Riot Games has officially released, not just because I need to keep it hidden or something, but mainly because I don't have access to it either. If you want to know more about the Volunteer program, you can check out our website (though, as a disclaimer, it's outdated in some areas): https://en.volu-eu.org/ ---- Regarding the learning system and context, the official stance is of course that it takes context into account and I can't really tell you to which extent it does this. It's entirely possible it'll misinterpret certain things or not interpret certain things at all. For further reference, here's a comment by former Rioter Lyte on it (back when he still was a Rioter and worked on the system): https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/36ow3s/new_player_reform_system_heads_into_testing/crh580c/ ---- About the comments you send with reports, they do matter, mostly because Riot Games will always hand-pick cases to go through, to sort of check if there were any mistakes. In these cases, they also read through what is written in the comment, which may help them when deciding certain things. For further reference, here's the source: https://en.volu-eu.org/viewer.php page 124, first question >Hi! Regarding post-game reports, does adding a comment make any real difference? Will it increase the chance of consequenses? Knut Erlingson Rehaug >Adding comments to end of game reports are extremely helpful. Player Support members are constantly reviewing cases by hand and use those comments to help isolate behaviors and review specific parts of cases. --- I can't really... give you data on the rest, because as I said, I'm not a Rioter. However, Riot used to have a message in their loading screen, among the tips, that stated "Players that break the Summoner's Code lose 23% more games." so toxicity probably does have an impact on winning/losing games. Or winning/losing games has an impact on toxicity, we don't know. --- >(Not to mention - and I'm taking the negative side here -, that some forms of trolling have been legitimized by Riot themselves, so you "can" do it, but that doesn't mean your team mates will like it (regardless of who's right), or even that you'll win. You wanna play inting , , you can do it. You don't even have to do any research as to how or why. The line between "meta", "off-meta", not the strongest picks, situational ones, and trolling are getting blurrier in my opinion, and that could lead down to a rabbit hole.) Riot Maple made a post about the Inting Sion strategy specifically: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/9lmg47/inting_sion_is_doing_more_harm_than_good/e790zkq Basically, this means as long as people are genuinely doing their best to win, there's nothing wrong with it. I don't think "the line" is "getting blurrier", it's always been blurry, because to detect with a 100% accuracy if someone is intentionally feeding or just playing off-meta, you'd need to look inside of someones brain and see their thoughts.
Roundar (EUW)
: Is typing '?' in all chat when enemy misplays reportable?
For sure, yes, you can report it. I can't tell you if it'll result in a punishment, but generally, there are no downsides to reporting it, so you should do it. On the other hand, even if it's not punished yet, Riots instant feedback system learns from reports. If it sees a lot of players report a certain type of behavior, it'll go and send the analyzed data for a Rioter to review and then, it may be added and the analyzed behavior may be punished for in the future. Even if something does not end up getting punished for, sending reports isn't only a way of punishing those that Riot wants to punish, but to also present your opinion on what should be punished.
Wa5abi65 (EUW)
: I wouldn't report that. The more reports you post, the less value they have so I wouldn't waste them on that. Better just to report the toxic flamers instead.
This is no longer the case. You can report people as much as you want, they won't lose value, at most, it'll only take more time for the system to analyze reports due to their amount increasing. As a reference, here's a comment by Riot Tantram about it: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/9VrUtrJo-being-solo-and-having-a-team-report?comment=00000000000200000000000000000000000000000000 ######(yes, there are posts, also by the Riot Support, stating the opposite, I asked around for that, but my most plausible explanation is that they're just outdated, wouldn't be the first time either)
: > [{quoted}](name=GLurch,realm=EUW,application-id=ETj6EdvQ,discussion-id=kAn3MYQn,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-11T17:41:00.083+0000) > > Muting will stop you from seeing what they are writing while you are *in a game*, it has no effect outside of the game. What you're looking for is the block function, which should also remove friends from your friend list *and* stop them from sending you messages outside of the client as well as stopping them from adding you to their friend list. It will also automatically mute the blocked person for you upon game start. We are not talking about the same mute button. If you open chat with a certain friend and then in the top right in the chat box u click the option button and then there is a mute button. I still see the messages they send me (private message) even tho that mute is enabled.
There is that feature now? You learn something new every day oof
Naiker (EUNE)
: My account was hijacked for 45 minuter
Sorry, but no one here can really help you with this. You'll have to submit a ticket to the Riot Support and see what they can do: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
: Why is there an option to mute a friend (in client) but I still see messages that he/she sends me?
Muting will stop you from seeing what they are writing while you are *in a game*, it has no effect outside of the game. What you're looking for is the block function, which should also remove friends from your friend list *and* stop them from sending you messages outside of the client as well as stopping them from adding you to their friend list. It will also automatically mute the blocked person for you upon game start.
Xonndar (EUNE)
: https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/6/18069714/league-of-legends-riot-games-sued-gender-discrimination https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/11/riot-games-sued-over-allegations-of-sexual-harassment-pay-disparity/ Idk why anyone would want to work in such a toxic environment (unless you are one of the people guilty of such behavior)
I don't work for Riot Games, I'm part of their Volunteer program. Also, while I do not want this to go off-topic, as well as that I don't want to discuss this stuff anyways, I'll just say that it's sometimes best to wait for what the court says in the end. The media will post about anything dramatic to get more readers, it doesn't necessarily make these charges true, though of course, it's possible that they're true, but we'll have to see what the court decides, since that's probably what's next to the truth.
mrboom110 (EUW)
: Unfair Behavior System
Sorry, but I fear there's nothing you can do for your friend. However, your friend can contact the Riot Support and they'll look at his case again: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new If they don't remove it and he wants his punishment explained a bit more in detail, he's free to come to the boards himself and share his chat logs with us. Also, instant permanent bans are very rare. Are you sure your friend didn't get a 14 day ban for similar behavior in the past?
: Try here https://www.telusinternational.com/careers/?INTCMP=Main_Nav_Careers. At the right side you can find the countries where you can work at. I did the interview for Bulgaria https://telusinternational.avature.net/careers/SearchJobsBulgaria League of Legends Player Support because back then they were looking for Bulgarian/English speaking staff. They never called me back though.
Those are for working at Telus though, which is not Riot Games. I mean, they are the Riot Support, but not... Riot Games.
: So when i say robin williams commited suicide, i wished him death? lol
No, but if you talk to Robbie Williams and tell him "Commit suicide please", you are. "Commit suicide" is an imperative.
Aijo (EUW)
: Did you come up with that analogy yourself? It is quite brilliant and stomach turning at the same time :)
Now I feel like a celebrity, but yeah, I did come up with it myself because I kinda thought a banana wrapped in bacon would look... fun https://media.giphy.com/media/fjLITYR9DLSW4/200.gif
ImSingle (EUNE)
: Swear words, flame and language filter
Language filters aren't omnipotent. In a global game like League of Legends, where people who speak hundreds of different languages meet each other, having a language filter that'll really work good is next to impossible. The language filter not only doesn't censor some words, it may censor some words that are completly normal in some languages, and may be an insult in another. Beyond that, you don't need the filter disabled to tell when someone is insulting you necessarily. For example, someone could write the following: "%%%% yo mom" "you %%%%%%% %%%%%%" You may not necessarily know what these words are, but you *will* know they're insults, most likely targeted at you in some way. There are also certain phrases, like "commit suicide" that may not be censored because "commit" is a normal word and "suicide" also is a normal word. Only when you combine them do they become death wishes.
CJXander (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=GLurch,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=b8rohU7t,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-11-07T05:42:13.365+0000) > > Actually, considering how long of a time 6 years is, the system was changed a few times during all that time and actually, they reset punishments levels a few times and all that, so his punishment being a result of his 14 day ban 6 years ago is as unlikely as me eating a banana wrapped in bacon. What's wrong with eating bananas wrapped in bacon :( ! You monster frisbee!!!
Nothing's wrong with it, but I'll never do it :^)
Smerk (EUW)
: Time doesn't really matter in this system, to drop punishment tier you need to actively play and behave well while yo do that. I checked your match history and it doesn't look like this account was abandoned, so maybe you didn't show any sign of improvement throughout those years. Or you showed some extreme toxicity in those last few games, something that warranted complete skip of all lesser punishments .You should share your chatlogs
Actually, considering how long of a time 6 years is, the system was changed a few times during all that time and actually, they reset punishments levels a few times and all that, so his punishment being a result of his 14 day ban 6 years ago is as unlikely as me eating a banana wrapped in bacon.
: How many games must you play on average to reach lvl 30?
> If you're a typical player who gets FWotD every four games, it'll take 152 games to reach level 30, which is much faster. If you get FWotD every six games, it'll take 166 games. If you're a rare, super-hardcore player who gets a FWotD once every eight games, it'll take you 174 games to level up from 1–30. ######(FWotD = First Win of the Day) https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/hAaYMrEs-leveling-and-rewards-early-impressions-and-adjustments
StormF (EUNE)
: oh so its even worse LOL. They see your support ticket but just simply copy paste a pre-written message because its easier and they don't want some extra work to look into your case
Yes, basically. The time they'd spend on writing you a special message, that they in 90% of the cases wouldn't even need to because the pre-written message already answers the concerns, could instead be spent on sending messages to like 5 other people.
StormF (EUNE)
: Making a support ticket to Riot won't do shit. Don't waste your time... Already made 2 support tickets and got the same response from the bot
The only bot at the Riot Support is the Blitzcrank Bot. The Riot Support does use pre-written messages to send to people so they don't waste time on certain issues that appear often (using 10 minutes to write a personal message vs using 1 minute to send a pre-written message), but all of these pre-written messages are still sent to you by a human being who read through your request. This isn't rare by the way, nearly every professional Support for big games does this. If the pre-written message did not solve your problem, you can always reply to the ticket to get another answer by someone from the Riot Support, who'll most likely read through your request a bit better and think of other possible solutions.
: Is posting player names here counted as doxing?
Well, "doxing" is kinda the wrong way to describe it, but yes, you aren't allowed to share their in-game names here (as well as their real life names in case you have those O.o). It could lead to people starting witch hunts, false accusations and all that, on top of sharing those names not even having any effect. If someone in your games is negative, toxic or you just would never want to play with or against them again, you can report them after the game and Riot Games may look into it and do something about it. If you report someone here, nothing will be done about it, because this is a forum made for the community to communicate among each other, not for you to talk to Riot. If you need to talk to Riot Games, you can send the Riot Support a ticket: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
: My Account got Perma Banned
You surely received chat logs along with your permanent ban showing exactly what you wrote, along with a longer message explaining how toxicity is unacceptable and all that. Within your chat logs, you'll definitely find something considered toxic. If you can't find anything you'd consider toxic, you can also share your chat logs with us here and we can take a look at them and try pointing out to you where exactly you went wrong. Whether you carried the game or not doesn't matter, having good stats doesn't allow you to be negative towards others. Others starting to be negative in the first place and tilting you by doing so also does not matter, since this case is about what you did, not what others did. If others were toxic, they'll get their own case. If you can't stand others being toxic towards you, mute them and report them after the game. Retaliating is never the answer. If you retaliate, at most, they achieve their goal of tilting you and you also get a punishment. Retaliating never really leads to a conclusion either, I mean, if you were in their position and decided to flame someone for for example failing a flash, do you think you'd stop flaming only because they told you to have sexual intercourse with your mother? By reporting them, they end up getting their own punishment eventually and if they really can't stop flaming others, they may even end up getting permanently banned, just like you.
DumbINL (EUNE)
: You can't tell anything to anybody cause it's flame
>Why are so few inting players ever banned? [...] Where should the line between having a bad game and inting should be? Let me first answer the second question I quoted here, since it'll make answering the first question easier. "Inting" is short for intentional feeding. Intentional = doing something on purpose Feeding = dying a lot in a game So we can conclude that "intentional feeding" means "dying a lot on purpose". What exactly does this mean? Let me give you a few examples: - Someone buys AP items on Garen, but he still tries his best to stay alive, by staying under his tower. -> Not intentional feeding. Even if AP items on Garen are useless, you can argue that he is griefing the game, but he does not "intentionally feed". - You play Evelynn in the Jungle, the enemy invades you at level 1 successfully, farms your whole jungle and you're basically left useless and killed over and over again, until you're left with a score of 0/6 and 20 CS after 20 minutes. -> Not intentional feeding. You didn't go into the jungle thinking "Oh hey, lets die and give the enemy some more kills". - You decide that your team is not worth winning this game and just run up to the enemy, without trying to resist in any way and full-well knowing you will die. Basically, you run up to the enemy with the **intent** of dying. -> Intentional feeding. So it all depends on your mind-set. If you basically troll by buying 6 tears of the goddess, but in your head, you still don't have the **intent** of dying, you're not intentionally feeding. Of course, this doesn't mean that is okay either and it's very unlikely someone will just buy 6 tears of the goddess without knowing that it'll only lead to them giving the enemy a lot of kills, but it's not inherently intentional feeding, and that is the point. It's basically very hard to draw a line, because Riot would practically need to read peoples minds to know if they're intentionally feeding or not. They can't do that, so they need to look for other clues that may give someones intent away. This isn't always easy and as such, some people may get away with intentional feeding. On the other hand, some people may also be misunderstood in their intent and end up getting punished for intentional feeding when they didn't want to intentionally feed. >Does anybody believe that you should be able to mute yourself so you can't write anything in the chat? >Should there be a way to ask for a chat restriction if when you had a bad day ? I'll cover both questions at once because both are quite similar: Riot has tried similar things in the past in all kinds of forms already. Muting people over a long time didn't really work, people just found some kind of other way to vent their anger at some point, like intentionally feeding or griefing the game. They also tried giving people chat restrictions on demand like you suggested and it didn't work either, people just used the few messages they had to continue flaming. So it sadly just didn't work out. >Does anybody feel like you are sometimes trapped in games 35+ minutes only to lose just because some players play for themselves rather than for the team ? If someone is playing bad, they won't have a big impact on your elo and will mainly just impact their own elo. All they can cause for you is to lose a single match, but next match, they likely won't end up with you again, so they'll only have caused you a single lose and in the mean time, you can then start winning games again and they can continue losing games till they end up somewhere where they play with and against people of similar skill. If someone is on a losing streak, they will also lose MMR more quickly, meaning that in the end, they won't cause as much of a problem. On the other hand, it's unlikely for people who are actually worse than their current elo to really appear, since they would need some kind of factor that resulted in them winning so many games in the first place. These factors could be duo boosting, boosting or well, just plain old luck. What is way more likely is that these players are actually not inherently bad but just had something that distracted them or made their performance be worse than usual, like a bad day, or maybe something good that happened and which they can't stop thinking about. Anyways, it's actually more likely for these players to end up being good for you. The system does not really differentiate between enemies and teammates when selecting them, it looks at their MMR and then if they end up in your team or the enemy team is mainly luck. However, since there are only 4 free spots in your team and on the other hand 5 free spots in the enemy team, the chances of these players ending up in your team rather than the enemy team are lower. As such you'll usually even profit from this on the long run, even if you may feel like it'll give you a handicap at the moment. >Should players be rewarded according to what they did in the game not only based on wining or losing ? The main problem with this is that it's very hard to measure someones contribution to the team. For example, if you could have taken a tower, but instead went bot lane to kill 2 enemies, you'll end up with 2 kills and it'll look good on your stats, but did you really contribute to the team? If you're a Supporter, but your team warded a lot, played it save and at the same time, the enemy team played it save all the time as well, you'll have barely any assists, deaths or kills anyways to speak of, how exactly would you measure contribution in this case? How would you measure contribution of someone who was just always focused by everyone, resulting in the enemy team in the end losing because they didn't focus on objectives or such, but that person ending with a lot of deaths? You'll have to add on to this that everything would need to be judged by a bot and not a human, which would be even harder. Riot obviously can't afford to employ a few million people to look at all games in full length. In the end, judging by whether or not someone won a game is just the easiest and most cost-effective solution. It's also still pretty accurate, seeing as, as I earlier explained, you're pretty much *the* deciding factor if you'll win a game or not, *at least over the long run*. >If we are punished with the chat mute should we be also punished with honor lose ? Isn't one punishment good enough? Well, what exactly is "Honor" supposed to indicate? You may see it as a simple sort of rewarding everyone, but the intention behind it was to mainly reward people who exhibit good behavior over a long time, but also reward people who are neutral. It basically indicates that you're following the games rules. If you're toxic, you're obviously not doing that, so why should you gain something that indicates the opposite? Rewarding people who are toxic, even if they aren't actively but just passively getting rewarded by these notifications that they gained something in the game every now and then, would make people feel like they did good and they'd only be further encouraged to continue acting the way they have, which is completely opposite to Riots objective of making people change their way of acting. >Should the not cooperating with the team report reason be added back ? I feel like less people will flame if they know they can just report somebody that does that. This was just a placebo and never did anything to begin with, it was also just too... weirdly written. If you're ADC and stay on your lane for the first 10 minutes of the game, farming, that's completely normal behavior, but you're not... really cooperating with the team, are you? In the end, griefing and intentional feeding just define this way better, because if you're griefing the game, you're *actively* contributing to the loss, with the intention of doing so as well. If you're just *passively* contributing to the loss, without the intention of doing so, you're just bad at the game and, as earlier explained, will end up losing more games till you play with and against people of similar skill again. ######I really apologize for this wall of text, but you *did* ask a lot of questions and not all of them were as easy to answer as one may expect and I'm sure that actually, I probably still missed a few points here and there, writing such a huge text can make you forget some points every now and then <.<
: My MMR is reduced by remake?
As far as I know, remakes do not influence your MMR at all. The only thing you should lose is LP and that only if you're the cause for the remake or if you're ranked Diamond+ and one of your premades is the cause of it. There is also no way of knowing your MMR and as such, it's impossible for you to know if that is the case anyways. Websites like op.gg do not actually know your MMR, only Riot Games knows your MMR and they won't disclose it to anyone, not even to you. These websites use their own formulas to calculate an estimate of your MMR. This estimate is nothing more than that and it may be close to your actual MMR, but it could also be heavens apart from your actual MMR. It is possible for op.gg to for example use a formula that counts your losses and wins and based on these gives you a certain amount of MMR and it's possible they just don't differentiate between losses and remakes, so their formula calculates that you lost MMR when that is not the case at all.
Mada (EUW)
: Thank you for taking the time to write this cool and composed answer to my angry rant. It really helped me cool down. I don't see though why it matters if it was a ranked or a normal game or if we won or lost the game. From what I understand the players you meet in normals deserve the same respect as the ones you meet in ranked. (Yes, I realize talking about respect is a bit much from someone who just referred to a random stranger in a very disrespectful way over nothing but I assure you I didn't do so to his face or in game. This is just me throwing an admittedly childish tantrum about what I conceive to be a great injustice. To me, everyone deserves the same level of respect until they go out of their way to communicate to me that they don't want my respect. Like that one - in my opinion - did :-) I think his apology and his return in time was the thing that really made me angry about it. It was not even 20 minutes into the game when he "had to leave for lunch". That means he started a game knowing full well that he won't have the time to finish it. It's possible that his parents unexpectedly decided to go someplace to eat at this very day so he had to leave earlier than expected, but then he wouldn't have been back before the game ended. That's why I'm certain he started the game despite knowing that he won't have the time to finish it. I assure you I don't get this angry over every single afk ^^ Also, I was not aware that there was a way to get permanently banned for repeatedly going afk. In fact I was certain there wasn't and that the 20 minutes wait time was as bad as it could get. Can you please point me to an official statement confirming that? Because that's exactly what I want. If someone keeps doing that, I want to be sure he really gets punished. If needed, I might offer some suggestions for a Player Behaviour Enforcement Division but a perma ban would be fine, too :-D Edit: I don't even know if he is even eligible for the perma ban. Since you took the time to check his records, it seems highly likely that he isn't. That's not the point. He just made me angry about what I thought to be an inadequate punishment.
http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2597473&page=1 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/EZbHLGZY-introducing-the-new-leaverbuster-system (these sources are old, but the information regarding bans for leavers in them is still correct)
Mada (EUW)
: Anyone else thinks afk punishments should be _much_ higher?
>I just had another zed who had to go for lunch ~16 minutes into the game. This piece of human waste even had the audacity to write how very sorry he was about that. Sorry, but why would you call someone a "piece of human waste" over something like this? We all had these games where we just had to go. If you actively play this game for a year or even longer and try claiming you never left a game, I'm just not going to believe you that. There are times in life where we just have to set priorities. Is it inhuman to have to eat? Is it inhuman to care for ones children more than a game? Is it inhuman to care more about your pet having to go to the toilet than a game? I don't think so, but everyone's entitled to their own opinion about what "truly makes a human human". If someone even *apologizes* because of it, in my opinion, that only makes them even more human, or well, "good". >At some point he came back to the game so I'm not even sure if the afk punishment will really kick in. But still, from what I know, 20 minutes wait time before a game seems to be the best I can hope for despite his intentionally making the game easier for the enemy team. If he left the game for an amount of time that was long enough for you to say that you lost the game completely only because of him, then even if he comes back, he'll likely still get the Leaverbuster punishment. Although it's important to note that there is no way for you to check if he actually got a Leaverbuster, since you don't get any report feedback for it, nor does it show up in their match history. If it was a ranked, he also won't gain any LP, even if he wins, though by looking up your match history, it seems like he only left in a normal, which makes me question even more what all this farce is about. It's not like you'll lose anything by someone going AFK in a normal game, other than a few minutes of your life because you'll lose the game anyways. You *even still* won the game though, so that's not really a valid argument either. >I really think repeat offenders should at some point face the same punishment as other intentional feeders. Anyone else think so or is it just me? "Repeat offenders" makes me question what you intended with the example of the Zed leaving in your game. By looking up his match history, I can't find anything like him being a repeated offender. It seems like he only left for a portion of one game once. He even seems to win the majority of his recent games, implying that he doesn't have a lot of negative impact on his team anyways. Despite that, repeated offenders *do* get harsher punishments. It's even possible to get permanently banned because of going AFK, but for that to happen, you'd have to leave enough games for Riot Games to manually investigate you. In short, it happens next to never, since you'd have to leave for example 90% of your games (this is only a made-up number to better show that you have to really leave *a lot*). If you ask me, that seems pretty reasonable, because as I explained earlier, we all just *have* to leave sometimes. It happens and I don't think anyone should be ashamed for thinking of their real life as more important than an online game. There are even cases where there's for example an outage in the neighborhood, cases where it's not their own fault for having to leave a game. They still do get a Leaverbuster punishment, since it's impossible for Riot Games to really detect *why* exactly you left a game and if it was "your own fault" or not, people would just abuse it and try beating around the bush to somehow avoid getting punished. So in the end, we'd mostly end up punishing innocent people even harsher along with intentional leavers. You could say it's a sacrifice that needs to be made, but I think the large majority of people leaving are "innocent" people anyways, so I don't think it's a sacrifice that should be made, seeing as even I and probably you as well would be part of that sacrifice eventually.
radetari (EUNE)
: Filters on the boards
The "Teams, Clubs and Tournaments" subboard, where people are supposed to look for others, is already grouped into EUNE and EUW. https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/teams-clubs-tournaments-eune https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/teams-clubs-tournaments-euw
R6qV95OZwv (EUNE)
: yeah thanks didn't help me alot :)
https://i.imgur.com/yU3vtYZ.png https://i.imgur.com/iPt47I5.png So if we're trusting that, you shouldn't need a passport or national ID card to show.
Hi im Pete (EUNE)
: I am really confused here. There is no seperate boards for eune and euw.
There are, only the English Boards are unified: EUW: https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/de/ https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/es/ https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/it/ https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/fr/ EUNE: https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/cs/ https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/el/ https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/hu/ https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/pl/ https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/ro/ English (EUW and EUNE): https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/ https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/ I mean, I don't need to be EUNE to comment or post on any of the EUNE boards, just like you don't need to be EUW to comment or post on any of the EUW boards, it's just that due to where the servers of each server are and what they were intended for, you rarely see for example french people play on EUNE or polish people play on EUW and as such, people who have EUNE accounts are rarely seen on the french boards or people with EUW accounts are rarely seen on the polish boards.
FrankiYT (EUW)
: Looking for duo to get plat in the next 4 days!
This is just so you get a pop-up at the top right of the Boards, since I was afraid you could forget about it and it's way more visible this way anyways. You were chosen for our Boards tournament and have until tomorrow 12 a.m. to register yourself. ^_^ Please check this post out for more information: https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/forum-games-contests-en/I0meG6GA-ebt-2018-the-european-boards-tournament-is-back?comment=0009
: this is one of the best thing i have ever seen so ok i agree but any change is welcome even a vgu i dont care i want to play diana without hating my life thats all any change any will be better than this and btw i think the best thing is to change her form ap to ad this will solve alot of her prooblems and make her a real fighter
https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/forum-games-contests-en/I0meG6GA-ebt-2018-the-european-boards-tournament-is-back?comment=0009 I know this is off-topic, but I didn't know any other way to notify you so you'll see that pop-up in the upper right corner of the boards. Please check out that comment, you were selected for the tournament, all further information should be stated in my comment there. If you do not wish to actually participate, you can also just reply to that comment over there saying so and we'll remove you (though we'll do so anyways if you don't register yourself by tomorrow).
: Okay. Another question out of curiosity: what determined which team a gold player would be placed in since they could basically apply for both but there was no option for the player to choose it himself? EDIT: Also, are the reward separately for high elo and low elo teams or are the points counted together and then the winner is determined? I guess that would be hard considering Italy has only one team.
That was just random. A gold II person could have ended up either in the high elo or the low elo team. This also means if someone who's Gold and plays in the high elo team wants to switch with someone else who is gold and plays in the low elo team, they can actually do so.
Hi im Pete (EUNE)
: Even if you are just bunch of volunteers doing this, you cant ignore half of the european player base. You need to make 1 tournament for each server or simply not make any tournament at all.
The tournament is for every region to compete against each other. It's not that the German Boards play against others from the German Boards, but that the German Boards play against for example the French Boards. I think I already explained why the Polish Boards can't play against the French Boards and also that it's not our job to organize tournaments to see which of the EUNE Boards is the best and have the Polish Boards play against the Czech Boards or something like that. I mean, it is our job, but not *ours* as in *mine* or any of the other people who organized this tournament.
: So are these the participating accounts or the boards summoner names? I'm just curious because I couldn't find MisterJakubpl on euw who is supposed to be in my team. Additionally, can we get some details like, how many people were applying for the tournament on English boards for example for different elo brackets?
Boards accounts and summoner names are the same, someone seems to have goofed up with that person, they'll likely be replaced tomorrow, unless we can find a different solution. i can talk about... sharing how many people registered, but I don't really see much of a point in it, since it's not all that surprising, it wasn't a huge amount, but still more than enough (for most regions) ^^
GLurch (EUW)
: [EBT 2018] The European Boards Tournament is back!
Since the tournament is over, here is the scoreboard: *Spoiler: we won :P* https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/488372319417270273/493471045953650688/scoreboardsfinal.png Thanks to everyone who participated! We'll hopefully see you again next year! ^_^
Secrios (EUW)
: 9 months is way too long. You got any data to back that up?
Of course not, this post was 2 years old. I recall that it may have been like this back then, but seriously, this information is all really outdated here, don't go off of anything I or others wrote years ago, not even one year ago :P Edit: You probably shouldn't expect any answer by Monsieur Kast either, I don't think he'll come back at all and if he does, it probably won't be any time soon.
HitYourHead (EUNE)
: ***
Just as a heads-up, we are not Riot Games, we are *mostly* members of the Riot Games European Volunteer Program, which means we do these kinds of events without payment and organize them on our own. Our stance does not have to be the same as Riot Games stance, neither does Riot Games stance have to be the same as ours. Riot Games could say they do not tolerate Pepe memes and we could say we're fine with them. Individual opinions aren't necessarily a whole groups/companies opinion either, we and Riot Games are both large groups, for every person in this group to have the exact same thoughts regarding certain topics is just impossible. One of us Volunteers thinking that pizza hawaii is not pizza does not mean all of us think pizza hawaii is not pizza. Now, since we are not Riot Games, we have a certain limited amount of tools we can work with. Since you asked for other boards to also participate in this tournament... How would for example the Czech boards compete with the French boards in a tournament? The answer is they wouldn't. If you check out [this article by the Riot Support](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201751924-Account-Transfer-FAQ), you'll find out that the Czech Republic is *supposed* to play on EUNE, while France is *supposed* to play on EUW. The two regions are on two completely different servers and as such, they can't play together. You can't queue up with EUNE players if you play Blind Pick on EUW. If we were Riot, we could have maybe organized a real life tournament (though there are Volunteer programs that actually organize real life tournaments, but they only do it for the finals of their tournaments and needless to say, they are a lot more people than the 12 or so who organized this tournament and they have a lot more experience in this field, since this is one of the main things they do, while we mainly do other things, such as helping out on the Boards), where people meet in real life to play against each other and get Tournament accounts, similar to how it's done with LCS, but we are not Riot Games and organizing this would cost a lot of money and be a lot of work. We could also buy people a transfer to EUW / to EUNE and have them play against each other, but that again, would cost a lot of money and probably be out of our reach. We could have also named it the "West European Boards Tournament", but that would make the name even longer and change it, when we haven't changed it for the past 4 years or so, only to avoid some people getting mad over the name. I believe the post itself perfectly explains that this tournament is only for EUW (multiple times as well), so I don't think it's necessary to note in the title as well. *I'm also afraid it could make a kind of cliff between the "EUNE" and "EUW" Boards, because at the moment, we see all of us as the European Boards instead of further dividing it into "EUNE" and "EUW", though this fear may be unnecessary and just be me being a scaredy-cat.* Anyways, I hope I explained the processes behind this event, as well as who we are, good enough for you to understand why we sadly can't make this tournament available on all regions. If you want the EUNE Boards to have their own "European Boards Tournament", you will have to ask Volunteers from the EUNE Boards, or organize it on your own. We can't tell them what they *have* to do. It may also be that they already have some kind of equivalent tournament on their boards and I'm just unaware of it, because I do know that their boards have their own tournaments as well. If there are any more questions, just reply to this comment again and I'll get back to you as soon as possible. ^^
: Is SOOS really sooos
Rismosch (EUW)
: Calling not so unknown strangers friends is weird. Sure I remember you and your name, such as I know many other people here on the boards, but calling them friends feels wrong lol
"slightly known strangers whom I had fun with playing a video game"
: No EUNE?
Yes, sadly no EUNE. I mean, the whole concept... kinda doesn't work because we can't have for example french boards, which are mostly used by EUW players, compete with the polish boards, which are mostly used by EUNE players, since they're not on the same server.
Rismosch (EUW)
: So I don't need a team? Cool. Having no friends is finally paying off!
I mean, you can make friends there... or with us... 👀
Rioter Comments
Cypherous (EUW)
: Well honouring others indirectly gives you a chance at extra honour progress so its still worthwhile advice :P
Yeah, definitely, it's just that lately, I've seen some confusion regarding this topic, or theories about it, so I felt like informing about it before people think it's official information 👀
Mcgalakar (EUNE)
: Things that affect your honor progress: 1) getting honored by non-premades players; 2) getting honored by premades (but you get way less than in case 1); 3) playing the game; 4) honoring others. Your honor gets slowed (or even worse) if: 1) someone reported you and report was found justified (remember, not every missbehaviour ends with punishment, especially if it is something light and you had no previous punishments); 2) you received a penalty (your honor drops then).
>4) honoring others. Just felt like noting it, but there is no official information that honoring others increases your honor progress (at least not that I'm aware of), the only official information is that it does so if *everyone* on your team honored someone. *vanishes into thin air again...*
Coxis (EUNE)
: {{sticker:sg-lux}}
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HyLorid (EUW)
: I got a leaverbuster while i was active during a game
You can try submitting a ticket to the Riot Support, because sadly no one on these boards can help you, as they're mainly intended for the community: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new Although I can't promise you they will do anything, because they don't remove Leaverbusters. As stated in the [Leaverbuster FAQ at the Riot Games Support](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752714-LeaverBuster-FAQ): >**CAN YOU TAKE ME OUT OF LOW PRIORITY QUEUE?** >No. We will not take your account out of low priority queue under any circumstances.
x3limanx (EUNE)
: Banned Accounts
Okay, I was forced to also leave a comment, it's just for the greeny-ness. WE WILL RULE ALL!
: legal rp winning
Well, generally, "giveaways" and such are legal, but it's questionable if you can trust all of them or if they're just going to scam you. A way to safely obtain RP is through Riots "Event" page, where there are online tournaments with guaranteed prizes to win, including the "Triumphant Ryze" skin, only obtainable through winning a tournament there : https://events.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/ ######If you're wondering what the "prizes.BOOST.19" is, those are EXP boosts
: Can't play LoL at all anymore because of the mandatory email verification
There's no way of really avoiding it. However, you can contact the Riot Support, explain them the situation and ask if you could change your e-mail, for which you'll likely need to answer a bunch of questions, like what the first champion you bought was. It's also very good if you bought RP and still have some kinda transaction information you can give them. Don't be afraid if you can't answer *all* of the questions, not all are required, it's just better the more questions you can answer. Anyways, here's the link: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
HitYourHead (EUNE)
: ***
No, they won't just ban you because you're friends with someone and that person happened to buy the account or something. Of course, they don't expect you to know things that you simply... can't. Now, I do not have any insight on how the system is programmed or whatever, but lets say you play a lot with someone and it's obvious you're friends, this person happens to have the name "Josephxd01". Suddenly, you stop playing with this guy and start playing with someone new. This new person happens to have been flagged for being a botted account, and they changed their name (after the purchase) to "JosephOwO". I don't need to be a detective to see what happened in that case. And like always, if someone is to receive a false ban, they can always contact the Riot Support and discuss it with them.
The Seducer (EUNE)
: what if a SMURF playing on a lvl 30 acc gold 1 or gold 3 with his preamt and have 100% winrete on 1 champ with a gold 5 player who is playing with him all the time and the gold 5 is %%%%ing bad but the gold 1 is op and in the last chat he say he is just a master player "HELPING HIS FRIEND TO CLIME :) "
In general, "duoq boosting" is allowed and there is no problem with it, Riot isn't enforcing a lot on it at the moment. **However**, the conditions for that are that the booster actually played the account to lvl. 30 (or higher) on his own and did not use any scripts, hacks, bots,... Basically, no malicious 3rd party software or anything. Since playing an account to lvl. 30 means the DuoQ Booster will usually already get a very high MMR till he's able to play ranked, it'll be harder for him to carry his partner as well and he may be placed in a very high elo upon completing his placements already, meaning, he may not even be able to fully "boost" his partner with just one account. However, most DuoQ Boosters buy lvl. 30 accounts, since otherwise, they'd have to invest a lot of time in playing accounts to lvl. 30 as well as the MMR problem I just mentioned, so it's usually not worth it for them. In case they do something like buying this lvl. 30 account, with which they'll duoq boost someone, not just the DuoQ Booster is at risk of being permanently suspended for breaking Riots Terms of Use, the other person is also at risk, at least if that person *knew* that their DuoQ Booster broke Riots Terms of Use. In any case, you can report it after a game or send a ticket to the Riot Support in such matters, attaching all kinds of proof you have: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new ######As a note, payment does not matter. Riot does not differentiate between a friend "duoq boosting" someone for free and a professional "duoq boosting" someone for money. Obviously, it's also... rather hard to actually prove that there was a transaction between these people anyways.
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