: About KDA and tryhard.
>Is this League,the league of fun or is it the league of tryhard? None of those, it's league of legends. >where is victorious Teemo? Sadly, he isn't eligible to get a victorious skin :(
: I never said that smurfs stop this from happening. I said that smurfs would downvote this into oblivion (meaning that Riots won't even see the topic). It is not the same thing. > THAT is what prevents this from ever being a thing and nothing else. No. What really prevents it from happening is that Riots do not see the described issue as a problem, at all. If they decide one day that it needs fixing, they will re-design it all from scrap in no time and throw it into our faces. Just remember how Draft pick appeared all of a sudden. And then autofill feature.
Draft always existed and the only season autofill didn't exist was season 6. It existed before that and after that.
Pxerkza (EUNE)
: no it's rather easy to reach perfect balance rock paper scissors is a perfectly balanced game riot can easily just change every champion to have the exact same base stats and scaling and every ability would reach an arbitrary number of combined damage at any point in the game so that a brand with full combo would deal 1800 dmg after resists and yuumi would deal 1200 damage and heal/shield 600 damage that can easily EASILY be done is that fun tho is that interesting?don't know about you but i don't see people playing rock paper scisssors professionally
>no it's rather easy to reach perfect balance >rock paper scissors is a perfectly balanced game Yeah... You don't need to act dumb. We are obviously talking about video games here. More specifically, multiplayer games (because you need competition to even have a conversation about balance). Even chess is not perfectly balanced despite having exactly the same pieces and rules on both sides because white gets to move first. >riot can easily just change every champion to have the exact same base stats and scaling and every ability would reach an arbitrary number of combined damage at any point in the game so that a brand with full combo would deal 1800 dmg after resists and yuumi would deal 1200 damage and heal/shield 600 damage that can easily EASILY be done Except that wouldn't still be enough because champions have different kits. Some have more mobility than others, some have more range than others (melee vs ranged), some have stuns and some do not, some have harder to hit skillshots etc etc. Just changing numbers will never lead to perfect balance (the type of balance you are speaking about which is just one form of balance like i previously mentioned). So no, it's not easy to reach perfect balance. In fact, it's not possible. You can nitpick all you want about it being theoretically possible but it isn't in reality. The game that would be created by doing that isn't league of legends, it would be a new and different game. Balancing a game and completely changing it into another aren't the same things. > i don't see people playing rock paper scisssors professionally Obviously not as skill has nothing to do with it which means it doesn't have the ability to be competitive. That's a bad example. If you would have a mirror match-up in LoL (meaning same stats and kits and everything), there is still a huge amount of skill involved.
: Won't work. Smurf users will downvote you to hell in no time. Riots kinda know of this (they answered the question long ago) but they don't give a shot about it.
You thinking that smurfs are stopping this from happening is ignorant as hell. The real argument is that it would prevent people from swapping champions in champion select. THAT is what prevents this from ever being a thing and nothing else.
: Wow it rlly takes some time to get to lvl 5 and you cant forbid people to play what they like LOL, and what about new accs or smurf you forbid them to play ranked aswell
Those are hardly valid arguments. A real argument is: what about people who want to swap champions in champions select because of pick priority but aren't able to due to not being able to pick the champion they want to give to someone else? This is the argument that prevents this from ever being a thing and nothing else. Having to play normals before ranked with a champion would in every other case be a good thing.
Pxerkza (EUNE)
: Well you can argue that a game can be balanced around something MMOs often balance around end game content RPGs often balance around progression ability RTS balance around potential income and output etc League has so many balance levers that the argument of balance can never be taken seriously AD sion is incredibly bad but if he can fully charge a Q from the bush he will 1 shot you without any reactionary counter play but then you have Tank Sion who doesn't care about his Q charging fully you just can't kill him So how do you balance this champion in scenarios where people can abuse vision and fully charge Qs in scenarios where people can ignore their Q in scenarios where people don't even know how to land his Q in scenarios where people can't land a Q due to enemies not being brain dead it's not possible now trying to balance it in accordance to 150 other champions with at minimum 2 variations in builds you can see how this task becomes impossible IE League isn't balanced It's perfectly Imbalanced and asking for Balance is ignorant stupid and will only break the champion Reference Ornn a 50% win rate dead champion
While a game can never each an absolute balance, that doesn't mean they should ignore it. They should always aim towards as good balance as possible. They don't have to reach it, but they have to aim for it for the game to be playable and for it to survive for a long period of time. >League has so many balance levers that the argument of balance can never be taken seriously Ofc it can be taken seriously. If something is disgustingly overpowered, it obviously needs to be nerfed to the point where it has a reasonable level of power. It doesn't have to hit perfect balance, but just get to a reasonable level. That means that there was a balance argument that had to be taken seriously. Also your Sion example is very bad as it has very easy solutions that already exist and make it balanced.
Pxerkza (EUNE)
: who ever talks about balance has no idea about balance no game was ever balanced in no aspect ever if there was a game ever balanced then it died as soon as it came out balance is not fun balance is not interesting watch perfect imbalance to learn how balancing is done and how league and dota do it for example about the toxicity on the boards it's an ongoing problem with how the moderation is done you might feel like rengar is imbalanced until you start playing rengar and you start encountering champions like alistar gragas and poppy that completely nullify your existance the game may not be for you and thats fine there are plenty of other ganres that are interesting rts's, mmos, rpgs, racers, fighters, side scrollers, simulators if you are playing league just because it's popular you won't have fun playing it
Oof, when you start talking about balance like that, you have to define it first as it can mean multiple things. As an example, the balance you speak of is that every champion is just as powerful and good as another champion in every stage of the game. However, that's not the only type of balance that exists. It can also be considered to be balanced when different champions have different strengths and weaknesses but are just as viable as another champion when their own conditions are met. Like Twitch being good in the late game but bad in the early game and lucian being the exact opposite. That is also balance. So... >no game was ever balanced True >in no aspect >ever False >balance is not fun Subjective and false according to statistics. One of the reasons League is the most popular moba and game of all time is because the game was balanced enough to not have proper hard-counter match-ups. That means you will never be or feel completely useless from level 1 and skill also matters a lot more because of it. Thus, you could say balance is more fun than imbalance.
NutzKicka (EUW)
: My LP doesn't change the right way
Dodging games will first lose you 3 LP and every dodge after the first will cost you 10 LP. Your LP can go to negative, so if you dodged a game at 0 LP, it will place you at -3 LP.
Zee Zone (EUW)
: Being oblivious to trends and past actions doesn't make you factually right either. And besides, if portraying facts in a different way and adding upon said facts while exposing sth new doesn't count as adding "anything new" to you then you're being stubborn for the sake of being stubborn at this point and any further discussion would be pointless.
Going into more detail isn't adding something new that is relevant to the main topic. It's just adding more stuff in that doesn't matter. Not to mention i was never oblivious to anything. But you are right, continuing this discussion with you is pointless so I will leave it here.
Zee Zone (EUW)
: "makes shit up" yet looking at the whole past season and you see that it ain't "made up" when theres a clear trend. You're the gullible one if you thought the second statement was anything but a coverup to the backlash to quiet the masses, a tactic they've done many times now. What will happen this season is crystal clear which is next to nothing. Besides the already announced ArUrf, some missions improvements and that's that. _Maybe_ some winter event like poro king but that's me being hopeful, especially with the big chance of them bringing us winter ArUrf like in the past to cut sosts. Next season? Depends how much they're willing to do. With multiple reworks in the works, new champs like always and the newly added TFT as i said before a somewhat major gamemode a year at best. edit: and before you say anything. No, the laughable excuse of an "event" like the cats vs dogs one does not count
All that text and you STILL didn't add anything new to the conversation. Repeating yourself doesn't get you anywhere,
Zee Zone (EUW)
: > Riot didn't say they aren't making pve modes anymore and that was the entire point. Bro no one likes a "well actually" kinda guy so stop that attitude if you want a real discussion. The context of the post is asking whether or not quality gamemodes similar to Oddyssey and Invasion will ever return and from the posts and statements made it's unlikely for events of such quality to return any time soon. As said before what can be expected is a few tweaks to missions and at best the return of a few old gamemodes before the end of the year besides ArUrf. What happens in 2020 is beyond anyone's knowledge however as i said before judging by the statements and how things are looking rn i don't think we're getting more than one new event per year at best which is sad.
>Bro no one likes a "well actually" kinda guy so stop that attitude if you want a real discussion. What people don't like is people who make shit up. They never said they aren't making those modes anymore and that's that. Stop your speculations and continue your life. I'm the kind of person you can have discussions with since i'm speaking with facts, not imaginary speculations. No one likes haters who hate for the sake of hating.
: 2 Items, Same Passive, which one get's taken?
Completely depends on if you are a jungler or not. Jungle items are more gold efficient than non-jungle items, which means you obviously want to get the jungle version as it also speeds up the pace at which you get your other items. You would sell it at full build though and buy luden's.
Zee Zone (EUW)
: ??? **Game Modes and Events** "We've had fewer temporary modes available this year due to our focus on other work, TFT especially." - Meddler https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/hLGAeHTA-quick-gameplay-thoughts-august-23 Yes they're not completely cancelled but don't expect anything like Oddyssey or Invasion anymore. From the latest Ask RIot: "Yes, absolutely! We’ve heard this feedback and wholeheartedly agree—events have become more stale this year. We want each event to feel like a unique experience that all players can be excited for, which is why our goal moving forward is to make participating in events more rewarding, more novel, and more memorable for everyone. Here are some of the ways we hope to achieve this: * Bring back game modes (new and old) to events * Improve how missions interact with events, similarly to Trials (ex: Trials gave you a progress bar you filled up by doing missions, which in turn gave you house-specific rewards for the event, so it all felt more cohesive) * Deliver more missions and a greater variety of missions beyond just “farm minions,” “get kills,” or “earn gold” You’ll begin to see some of these changes soon, starting with our first small steps for the upcoming Worlds event, and we’ll continue making improvements into 2020. I hope you enjoy the Worlds event, and we look forward to hearing your feedback during and afterwards!" The latter statement brings some hope back but it doesn't cancel out the 1st statement where TFT is announced to take up alot of effort to keep, maintain and improve upon. What's likely to happen is they'll putt back some manpower to bring back game modes and in rare occasion new ones (maybe one a year) while improving missions overall.
Yes, i can read and have read those posts/articles. What does this add to the topic though? Riot didn't say they aren't making pve modes anymore and that was the entire point.
Zee Zone (EUW)
: they made 2 statements almost back to back. The 1st was them excusing the lack of events now and in the future due to alot of effort going into other things mainly TFT (the same excuse used for removing TT) The second statement was released later saying that they listened to how the community was dissapointed by their desicion of ditching special modes both old and new and promised to bring them back in some shape of form starting with the next worlds event (hence whey no SG event) Both statements were released in form of official riot posts and ask riots. There's no certain what, when and how frequent events will return.
So it is as i suspected, they DIDN'T say there aren't making them anymore.
Shamose (EUW)
: How though? A man points at the moon and instead of examining the moon the imbiciles examine the pointer. Please enlighten me how this sentence should be interpreted.
They would have went for the moon if they stayed away from that place because it's just a meme and everyone knows it's straight up %%%%%%ed to go there. Them going there is the finger in that analogy, not the one who created the meme. You could also say that the finger is them saying they got arrested for being youtubers instead of being arrested for breaking the law.
: No more PvE
Can i get a source where riot states that they aren't going to create any PVE events in the future? Because I couldn't find a statement like that despite searching for it.
Shamose (EUW)
: That doesn't make any sense. So somebody made area 51 a meme and these idiots went looking. They went for the moon, not the finger.
: I study maths and this tickles me <3
Cienight (EUW)
: gotta love smurfs, they win and they trash talk to you for being *bad* while you are in your elo!
To be fair though, most plat players should be talked down on so their egos come back down to earth. Not talking about you specifically. But yeah, smurfs shouldn't talk unless it's related to strategy.
: When do you think humans will become immortal?
Problem really is that you can't "repair" dead cells. There are too many problems with that concept. How do you even force a cell to start working after it died? It's like making a human live again after it died. Not happening. Also, as we know, cell division is a thing. A cell divides into 2, the other one dies and the other takes its place. That's how skin works for example. Reviving those dead cells would mean you are effectively creating cancer. your organs would become bigger than they should be etc. And cells can divide a set amount of times which is basically what determines out lifespans. And there is also the problem of your body just stopping to produce nerve cells and muscles at around certain ages. How do you make it not do that? I wouldn't want that to be a thing though. We would never be allowed to retire and we would just be immortal slaves without actual purpose in life (technically we don't have a purpose now either as most of our time is spent doing something we have to do instead what we want to do).
Jesi Oni (EUNE)
: Its not hard to understand... You are just plainly wrong and dont know how justice system works in this game.
I know exactly how it works. And i know you aren't good at English since you are constantly misunderstanding what i'm saying. That's why i don't find it worth it to continue this "conversation" any further. Have a good day.
Jesi Oni (EUNE)
: Go ask support. You can play whatever you want and your assigned role is "Bottom", not ADC.
I don't know how this is hard for you to understand. And support does agree with me. I literally said that he isn't safe because he DIDN'T PLAY THE ROLE HE WAS ASSIGNED. If he gets bottom as a role and plays zilean in the bottom role, THEN he is safe. If he plays it in any other role, then he ISN'T safe. I don't know why i have to explain that simple thing to you twice. And you aren't even really disagreeing with me, you are simply just misunderstanding.
Jesi Oni (EUNE)
: Zilean is a good AP mage so even if ignoring assigned role would be punishable... He was safe. Also role is called Bottom and not ADC - can pick anything 🤣
>Zilean is a good AP mage so even if ignoring assigned role would be punishable... He was safe. No, he wasn't safe. If he plays zilean in the bot role, then he isn't ignoring the role assignment. He is only ignoring it if he goes to another ROLE, not another champion.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: so apparenly role assignment in draft doesn't matter
The problem here is that the support staff member is now speaking about his/her own opinion on the subject instead of facts. He/she doesn't consider it griefing but it IS griefing by definition. He refuses to play the role he was assigned against the will of his teammates = griefing. That is an absolute truth and not debatable.
: Nice things to say to (toxic) players?
If someone is flaming you, just say sorry. Even if he is wrong. That is literally the best thing you can do to make him stop and to prevent the situation from escalating because then he thinks you at least recognize your mistakes (again, even if he is wrong, it makes him feel better).
CJXander (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Vladimir Ρutin,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=sJB36K6h,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-08-27T23:38:29.544+0000) > > Flex, doesn't count. > > > Nah im joking, I got to dia in flex too. > Congrats. > Also you did it with support, I'm amazed. Yeh, solo spamming Nami, hopefully i can get to diamond in solo Q as well, just 2 divisions away.
That's the hardest part. If you can make it, try do the same on euw as a next milestone.
: You talk a lot, how about some hard evidence ? So far not 1 single word you have said you can back up. Ever wondered why games like chess, doesn't have an hidden mmr system ? Here is the thing, they have nothing to hide...apparently riot has... TFT,ARAM etc etc is part of league of legends, and therefor will always be relevant.
>TFT,ARAM etc etc is part of league of legends, and therefor will always be relevant. How hard can this concept be for you? They might be a part of league but a rank in soloq (or even the mmr in it) doesn't have ANYTHING to do with matchmaking in TFT. That means you argument is invalid. >You talk a lot, how about some hard evidence ? As you said, I have talked a lot already so i will leave the finding of evidence for you. I have wasted enough time on you as it is. The information is out there, go find it.
: Thing is your are only guessing. No one knows how and what players are matched upon,except riot. I do care a lot, and if i count the numbers of threads from people complaining about match making over the years, then i can for sure tell you that a lot cares. I don't care about climbing in ranked, i care a lot about having a fair fight, any part of this you don't understand ? Personally i rather be in iron 4, and have fun fair fights, than this stomp or getting stomped meta we have right now. Regarding to my 1st TFT placement match, in what universe was that match even fair ?, i should have been playing against bronze/silver players not high gold players. It was very clear to even my grandmother that riot wanted me to loose that game, luckily i did get 1st place. Ok wasn't that much luck, i am really that good. But still not fair. If our matchmaking doesn't use our rank in ranked, then why do we have a rank in the first place. Why is riot using a hidden system ? What are riot trying to hide from the player base ? What is it that riot wont tell us ? Why do we have placement matches if riot already have decided that most players should end in S3-4. There is something fishy going on in that matchmaking system.
>Thing is your are only guessing. I'm not guessing anything. >No one knows how and what players are matched upon,except riot. They are only matched with mmr, nothing else. >I do care a lot, and if i count the numbers of threads from people complaining about match making over the years, then i can for sure tell you that a lot cares. That doesn't matter. People always complain about matchmaking when they lose, even if the matchmaking actually gave you a favorable situation but you still managed to lose. It's not matchmaking's fault that you lost. The matchmaking could give you teammates with higher mmr than the enemy team so you are expected to win but your teammates and you just couldn't win because you aren't consistent players. It happens, blame yourself, not the system (i'm not saying the system is perfect but most of the time the blaming on the system i unwarranted). >I don't care about climbing in ranked, i care a lot about having a fair fight, any part of this you don't understand ? Irrelevant to the topic. >Personally i rather be in iron 4, and have fun fair fights, than this stomp or getting stomped meta we have right now. That's not a matchmaking issue. It's called snowballing a lead. >Regarding to my 1st TFT placement match, in what universe was that match even fair ?, i should have been playing against bronze/silver players not high gold players. Stop bringing these irrelevant as %%%% soloq ranks into the discussion about TFT. IT IS IRRELEVANT. >If our matchmaking doesn't use our rank in ranked, then why do we have a rank in the first place. A question i have been asking from Riot for years. >Why is riot using a hidden system ? The reason why they use it is very logical so it makes sense but why the system they use is hidden is another question. >What are riot trying to hide from the player base ? They don't want people to compare each other's skill with raw numbers (they are afraid of toxicity) and keeping it hidden means it's way harder to abuse. Those are some reasons. >Why do we have placement matches if riot already have decided that most players should end in S3-4. Most people don't end up there.
: A lot cares actually. MMR is garbage all out the place, can't you see the warning signs ? Here is another [picture](https://ibb.co/Q6JmXbj) from a game i played earlier. 1xplat 3,1xplat 4, 2x gold 4 on my team vs 1xS3,S2,G3,B1,level 36. Was in a "normal" game, my team did win the game strangely enough (feel the irony) How the hell is that matching even fair for anyone. Earlier before that i was up against an enemy team with a diamond player on it, and he/she destroyed everyone. I'm pretty sure the diamond player had a lot of fun, the rest of us, not so much. Getting stomped or stomping the enemy team, aren't really fun for anyone in the long run. I really enjoy a good fight, but i want it to be fair, be it ranked, normal,TT,TFT or tetris etc etc you get the point
>A lot cares actually. They really don't. Soloq rank doesn't matter at all because it isn't used in the matchmaking at all. Only mmr is used and you literally can't tell if the match is balanced or not by using sites like op.gg because you don't know their mmr. So this argument is pointless. >MMR is garbage all out the place, can't you see the warning signs ? No i don't think i can. I know there are people in high elo who do not belong there in soloq but low elo is fine and unaffected. People just use it as an excuse for why they can't climb.
: So you are telling me that 6 plat 4 players and 2 fellas on a huge win streak in Gold2 have Gold4 MMR? Oh I don't think so.
The gold 4 player can have a plat 4 mmr. It works that way too. Premades also affect matchmaking heavily.
CJXander (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Cypherous,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=dOOEct9L,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-24T22:37:44.745+0000) > > Looks fine to me, you can be plat 4 with gold 4 MMR so i'm not really seeing an issue here Division / Tier should reflect your level of competence, i have no idea why such things can even be, i mean, plat 4 with gold 4 mmr? You should either be Gold 4 or Platinum 4. Sounds like a poor excuse to justify the lack of balance in ranked games.
I completely agree with you, but that is sadly not how the system works currently. That is Riot being stubborn. >Sounds like a poor excuse to justify the lack of balance in ranked games. But you can't actually call it an excuse because you can't see the mmr that the players have. Sure, this is an easy way to prevent us from seeing if the matches are actually balanced matchmaking-wise or not for Riot and i think that does play a part on why this is even a thing.
Pxerkza (EUNE)
: im looking at the average and the average is 2 divisions which is completely reasonable
The divisions are also irrelevant. MMR is what matters in this topic and not the ranks. The difference could be 10 divisions but if the mmr doesn't differ, it doesn't matter.
Tarolock (EUNE)
: as you said you had a premade, just that alone screws up the matchmaking because the community thoughts its an advantage to go as a duo so the matchmaker matches them with higher opponents, then add that 63% winrate on jayce into the mix and its kind of a balanced matchmaking and matchmaking have nothing to do with the outcome, you are making decisions ingame...
>and matchmaking have nothing to do with the outcome, you are making decisions ingame... That's an ignorant thing to say. If a player has a higher mmr than the other, he is more likely to win because he is more likely to have more skill and thus make more correct decisions, meaning matchmaking does play a part in which team wins.
: MMR is screwed this season. I did placement match 1, on my 2nd account in TFT last week. Here is what i was up against player 1 Gold 3/94LP player 2 unranked player 3 Gold 3/15 LP player 4 Bronze 4/74LP player 5 Gold 3/34LP player 6 Gold 4/46LP player 7 Gold 3/0LP Here is a [picture](https://ibb.co/9sWNX36) And all i got was iron 1, 1 LP. Please come clean with your MMR riot.
No one honestly cares and it doesn't even matter what someone's rank is in soloq when playing TFT. It's 100% irrelevant. And you being placed in iron 1 after the FIRST game in tft is completely normal and has really nothing to do with mmr. The first placement isn't even your actual placement. Your actual placement is after the first 10 games and even then you are expected to climb. Don't bring TFT into this discussion as it is completely irrelevant.
Kravixman (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=ChapelOfFools,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=k1vJgdJ6,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-23T21:07:32.485+0000) > > Just become a decent human being by never playing Yuumi again Riot is this the kind of language you tolerate because someone plays a champion? If It was me, I would be perma banned for 6th time.
You are taking jokes too seriously and that's not healthy.
Kravixman (EUNE)
: Just read 2-3 other comments. You will say she's viable, other will call it shit along with k y s myself for picking her. Reason I did this, is not because one person (you) tells me she's still good and shouldn't get buffs.
>You will say she's viable, other will call it shit along with k y s myself for picking her. Let them say that, they are wrong. She is completely fine and even pros are still picking her. You can imagine how many times people talk shit when i pick teemo mid or even top. They simply don't know how good i am with it or how good the champ actually is.
Kravixman (EUNE)
: You're exactly the reason she is nerfed. And any answer I make, will only cause more like you to come and bash. I got used to it when it comes to Yuumi.
The reason why she was nerfed was because she was overpowered, not because of this one random person commenting on boards that no one knows. Yuumi is still perfectly viable right now and DEFINITELY shouldn't receive any buffs. Her poke is down but it wasn't the strongest thing about her.
SANEakaIN (EUW)
: I agree with you but I am human, so I get annoyed, and I react irrational, I wish I could of ignored this threat but I was already rather annoyed and to get told despite my best attempts I would be reported, I lost any composure. I may be at fault but would any of you done better ? I fell into the troll trap, but to error is to be human, at least it means to be fallible. I agree with you though, I should of been the better person and not... but I did, am I still at fault, I feel not... I tried to play the game, and yet was reported for playing the game while others where seemingly not, what did I do wrong ?
>I may be at fault but would any of you done better ? Definitely would have. I'm not gonna risk my account getting banned when I can't get punished without actually breaking the rules. >I fell into the troll trap, but to error is to be human, at least it means to be fallible. That's not human error. That's just pure stupidity. They are different things. > I tried to play the game, and yet was reported for playing the game while others where seemingly not, what did I do wrong ? No one cares if you got reported and you shouldn't either. Reports don't do anything unless you actually break the rules. Just mute them and go on with your life. Or dodge the game, that works too.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: troller definition: Someone who likes to troll, a person who either intentionally or pointlessly yells and swears and insults someone with no or some purpose. Usually spawned by agruements, disagreements, or just hatred. Trolling can also be conducted as a self-entertainment to the troller by causing a ignition in chat or in a internet forum.
That's a definition of a forum troll, not a troll in-game. And it's a troll, not a troller.
: Just to explain what I mean: If he gets 30%-60% (depending on level) of the damage taken as grey health and heals for 100% of it or if he gets 100% of the damage taken as grey health and heals for 30%-60% (depending on the level) of it, makes no difference at all balancewise.^^ Even saying that 50% of the health is grey health and 60%-80% of it gets healed up is the same... just gets unnecessary more complicated.
You got a point but it still needs a nerf or a stronger level of scaling (meaning it needs to take more time to become good).
: Why should it not heal the whole grey health? The grey health is not the whole damage, it is already just a percentage. Making it another percentage, would make no sense, you can just lower the grey health, if you want to nerf it. (and this percentage already scales with levels, so it does what you want, just before pyke gets the grey health and not after it)
Tahm kench's grey health doesn't heal for that amount either so it's not like it doesn't make any sense. Ofc, he can use it as a shield.
APM Silence (EUNE)
: What is wrong with my MMR?
The explanation is easy. Your mmr is lower than it should be in your current rank. It gets lower because you lose games at 0LP. Your rank doesn't change because the game doesn't let you demote but your mmr will go down in the background. And since the game is trying to move your rank towards your mmr, it speeds it up by lowering your LP gains and increasing your LP losses. The more the farther they are apart from each other.
: The passive already scales with level.
Yeah but they need to make it scale how big portion of the grey health he actually heals. Right now he heals all of it.
JustClone (EUNE)
: As I said, for the first ~10 minutes of the game, I determine if the player has any potential... If I am completely sure that he cannot perform on the level required to win the game, I feel no inhibitions to start farming. (Moral or other...) And I am sure that you know better than me that the current MMR has nothing to do with the skill level. Some people are just passing through... (As arrogant as I may sound) Some people have 500 games in that division. Being the same MMR (at specific time) does not mean their potential is the same. Don't you agree with me?
I kinda added the "assuming they have similar win rates too" there for a reason.
JustClone (EUNE)
: Man this is extremely complicated subject... Lets take the obvious out of the way first. In A LOT of games, the adc will flame you. He will call you troll. He will flash heal into the enemy and feed. He will afk. He will just refuse to play for the win. Just because you are farming as support. This on its own should make you question how effective it will be to farm with your ADC. Now, is it worth it to farm, and when is it worth it. In my point of view, ADC players are incompetent and extremely useless in low elo. If he picks ADC, implying that he knows how to position himself, how to trade, how to farm... It means he wouldn't be in that elo to begin with. It is questionable who will do more damage, trash elo vayne, or her soraka support. So in everything, lets say ... below plat, I justify taking gold from marksman players. because he will be just as useless with 4cs/m , as with 5cs/m... If you can compensate his damage output in the team fights, please feel free to take part of the gold from your lane. Otherwise it is indeed, as you say, "wasted". Another example is, if the adc is not cooperating, or is auto filled. If you have any doubt, that your lane partner will not do his job, and you know that you can fill the gap he is creating, you are absolutely free to farm. Now, what I usually do: I finish my quest with the support item. This takes about 8-10 min. Taking cs with mage support item, means no wards, and no wards is instant loss. For that time, I already made up my mind, is this going to work, or not. If I concluded that it wont work, and I am very sure about it, I try to explain to him politely. Most people will understand. Many people will not... I just mute those who are toxic. (Engaging in discussion only makes things worse...) Keep in mind, that some people are more defensive/passive during laning, and they tend to do well late game, when they farm up. For example, I would never take cs from Kog, because he is under performing early. A competent Kog will destroy the whole enemy team late... so It is worth the effort to give him more time, so he can become the monster, he is born to be. On the other hand, if I see MF, who did not land a single Q for the first 10 minutes... Well the judgement here is clear. Or Cait, that doesn't know that headshot damage is not meant for taking ranged creeps... It is stupid to hope, that caitlyn player who sucks early and does nothing, will compensate and outscale enemy Vayne late... It just doesn't work like that.
You have good points there but you are overlooking one crucial thing. They are in the same mmr, which means he as a support isn't any better than the adc. They are in the same elo so he doesn't know how to carry any more than the adc (assuming they have similar win rates too). Sure he should take the farm that the adc is unable to get but farming creeps that he could get is a no no.
realKano23 (EUNE)
: Players who dont let you take another role when you autofill got no right to complain when you die
Like jacktjong said, there are champions you can pick that are very easy to play and are effective. It is your duty as an autofilled player to do your best to maximize your usefulness. If you don't, your team does have a right to complain. And feeding is never acceptable. Just because you are in a different role it doesn't mean you suddenly don't know how to stay alive. That's just a bs excuse for feeding that many people give. You don't have to win your lane, just don't make it hard for your team to carry you.
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: still doesn't give you any right to flame
: But also not usual though.
: Playing AP Amumu and having a better farm and kda than everyone else isn't really contributing to a problem. My highest rank was plat 3 two seasons ago. I got so bored of everything that I'd rather smurf and have fun slicing low elo guys with new champs and builds than actually tryharding and losing games that got out of control.
>Playing AP Amumu and having a better farm and kda than everyone else isn't really contributing to a problem. That's not trying new things though.
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