: Got suspended for 14-days. The other flamer did not.
Ban sytsems are automated, nothing is EVER put into context. Riot doesnt giv a shit. Riot doesnt even look into it and if you send them a ticket about it they are just gonna say it wasnt pc ergo the ban was ok. Then again : If you didnt get camped by the enemy jungler there is really not much to say other than you lost the 1v1 and lost wave control. But all in all i agree and i would sugest riot should just give people the oportunity to leave without a punishment other than loosing lp. Would greatly descrease toxicity even though it will destroy the competetive intergrety of ranked.
mAdhAt (EUNE)
: well, not much you can do, you did your part, so... RIOT standards. :D unlucky for ever makes me sad. I'm one of the players that deserve much higher rank and I'm unlucky for long time now since I hardstuck and even tho every game seems pretty much easy, I carry but I can't win.. for instance today I lost 2 games with my main jungler 20/9 the one I had afk(classic one), and 17/8 the other one(my team was uncarriable). So thank you riot that you f**k me up :D no offense, but it's all about luck
Jungle is a pretty useless role atm, just swap to mid/top where you have more resources, As a jungler you know where the enemy is so you wont make the same mistakes.
: I just trolled - An open apology
I cant even take this shit seriously,looks like a meme: carcrash, sick, no sleep. Cleanse ignite mundo. The people who didnt dodge are just as dumb imo, though you sound like a grade A student who just got a B.... really makes me wanna puke. Just accept the cummunity for the bunch of %%%%%%ed assholes that they are and either mute everyone or go down with the ship in flames. Riot doesnt give a shit and so should you.
: I won't report you for flaming because I'm offended, since I'm not offended by anything you say
They really should remoove chat alltogether or fix the roo of the problem, which is trolling. Ingame you dont have the ime to respond to flame correctly to hurt those flamers inreturn without swearing and to make them angry and miserable... that just takes too long. There ARE actual sugestions but as with all things this has a positiv and a negativ effect: 1. You can allow people to leave games without punishment. If you are no longer trapped in a game with trolls and asshole anymore you can leave once they start to flame you. No need to flame back becasue hey, you are not in a game with them anymore. Trolls only have power as long as we are forced to play with them. This would i turn currupt the competetiv integrety of the game becasue there would be less reports and a whole lot of lp fluctuation between the teams that had an afk or not. basicly diceroll autoloose. Fortunately that means trolls that consistently make their team quit loose a ton of lp very quickly and would dissapear in the abyss of low elo. In high elo this makes wintrading a major issue and people would just prepare accounts to ensure challenger and maybe trade challenger at the end of season. But all in all toxic behavoiur could be met with actual action by the community so players would actually be meaningfully punished cause they cant climb when everyone leaves their games. 2. Re-enable the tribunal, people used to get insight in teamchat and gamesstats to figure out who was the actual troll. With the manpower that Riot doesnt have players would be able to help fight the trolls. This obviously isnt completely foolproof since people can troll in the tribunal too but always going with the minority vote will effect their influence obviously. The big risk ofc would be that easylie triggered people who are PC like riot would take over and enforce punishments that I wouldnt find reasonable (the again, no reason for tribunal if we have option 1)
: Mute everyone at start and at end report everyone...every game win or lose...thats what i do anyway and idc
Considering i gave up on the community i might too, but bare in mind "counterflame" or "seldefense" might also get banned there. like "stop beeing an ashole" is just too mean for riot and they will never put it in context.
TaFFKiD (EUW)
: Hi im TAffkid , i think if u are playing this game with passion , u exactly now what this discussion is about . Everybody is trapped by those Players. I dont know where this discussion ends cause all of us now the feeling of frustration and our ways to behave cause everyone lose sometimes. I mean it starts when u pay attention on the skill level of yourteam mate which doesnt need to be exactly yours. Then u have 2 Options Motivate or Blame Misstakes. -The second Option helps a lot. Now im paying attention to those who tilt everybody, the real trollers who give a f* about Teammates: ITs the wrong game for you ! And riot really forces u to play with them or u get penalty for leaving even if the trollers dont surrender cause they are sadistic. Most often they also use heavy insults. I think this should be banned for over a month. (Penalty should grow!) For all other bad behaviours riot should give a ranked ban for month or more or they should be put into another rank system called maybe : Wood League of Pain - penalty league you have to play yourself out , within only leavers trollers and flamers. Pls riot do something. Greetz Marcel aka Taffkid
Well there is a middlegruond, i dont have to go out of my way to motivate my feeding "special kids" on my team. I can fullmute and play. But thats not the point, what if those asshole are right and you really did throw the game all by yourself and cost them the game even though they tried superhard and didnt mess up. Do you deserve a ban for that too ? Realize that they are as fed up with noobs ( rightfully or not) as you are with flaming teammates. Thats just their pent up frustration over the game resulting in flame. Maybe you should cheer those guys up too and carry them just like your cheer up people who made a bad pla ingame you could cheer up people who have a bad personality ? now if you think about it, you cant argue with trolls and cheering up noobs wont stop them from feeding. Might aswell fulmute and d nothing while they rip themselfs apart.
: How is Riot incapable of fixing this game
This is SUCH a bad atempt at puishing trolls. First of all those "sugestions" can punish victims of trolls too. Secondly Riot doesnt care and is also unable to detect someone thats suicide farming 2 sidewaves while your team that "was" even has to 4 man farm mid with all junglecamps taken and bleeding out til the inevitable 20 min baron into the end push. There ARE actual sugestions but as with all things this has a positiv and a negativ effect: 1. You can allow people to leave games without punishment. If you are no longer trapped in a game with trolls and asshole anymore you can leave once they start to flame you. No need to flame back becasue hey, you are not in a game with them anymore. Trolls only have power as long as we are forced to play with them. This would i turn currupt the competetiv integrety of the game becasue there would be less reports and a whole lot of lp fluctuation between the teams that had an afk or not. basicly diceroll autoloose. Fortunately that means trolls that consistently make their team quit loose a ton of lp very quickly and would dissapear in the abyss of low elo. In high elo this makes wintrading a major issue and people would just prepare accounts to ensure challenger and maybe trade challenger at the end of season. But all in all toxic behavoiur could be met with actual action by the community so players would actually be meaningfully punished cause they cant climb when everyone leaves their games. 2. Re-enable the tribunal, people used to get insight in teamchat and gamesstats to figure out who was the actual troll. With the manpower that Riot doesnt have players would be able to help fight the trolls. This obviously isnt completely foolproof since people can troll in the tribunal too but always going with the minority vote will effect their influence obviously. The big risk ofc would be that easylie triggered people who are PC like riot would take over and enforce punishments that I wouldnt find reasonable (the again, no reason for tribunal if we have option 1)
Whytoe (EUW)
: Don't worry fam, Riot does not give a shit. You're better off creating a new account with fresh mmr if your current one goes to shit. That, or get boosted.
Climbing is ot the issue here, read the post. People are toxic and the only way out is to flatout mute everyone which is just reatded in and itself if you ask me. Riot should just remoove chat alltogether and let people leave games without punishment.
Rioter Comments
Kyung Ae (EUW)
: Dear Euw server
https://clips.twitch.tv/FreezingPlumpAsteriskOSsloth Can confirm too. Happy EUW
Maluber (EUW)
: https://youtu.be/2w7PmQ_nw0M?t=34m28s Hrmm you should watch this on Kalista as it'll clear up some of your misconceptions. Like she now has 8% more AS at level 1. How is that a nerf?
Phreak is trying SOOOO hard to sell this as a positive "change" its so cringy to watch...
Enjutsu (EUNE)
: What disagree with? All im saying is that OP is giving wrong facts, he completely skipped the part about her geting AD instead, as well as others have mentioned that she got buff to her base AS. As well as to why i think Riot did what they did.
Wether OP forgot to add facts or not her http://champion.gg/champion/Kalista/ADC confirms riot made a HUGE mistake. I dont think its fun to play vs. Kalista as a meele, that doesnt mean she should be gutted completely just because riot felt like letting some new guy in the balance team try their hand at it and fail miserably. Thats not the first time Riot buffed/nerfed champion base values when the problem lies somewhere else. Her Winrate is currently at 43.91% with a 0.77% playrate. That ABYSSMAL and needs a fix.
: I've got chat-restricted in normal after got flamed the whole game for a drake loss
GREAT F****G SYTSEM RIOT !!!!!! Thats what i wanna see ! grief reports that turn into actual penalties!!! just so good to see this happen over and over and over, when the real reason these games are toxic is because you dont allow people to leave the game and just forget about that one bad game, NO! You systematically WANT to tilt players so that they are toxic in the following gamne too. JUST SEND ME TO RIOT DUNGEON ALREADY AND TORTURE MY PINK NIPPLES UNTIL THEY ARE SCARLET-RED.
Saezio (EUNE)
: The only way to make Ranked matchmaking work is to tie KDA with LP loss/gain. For example (if you win but you are 0/5/3 you get 0 lp, and if you lose but get like 10/5/8 you lose 0 lp) But then you will get all the KDA players and get punished if you insist on trying. Are you seriously thinking that an account that has given money to riot has the same chance to get banned as a free account? THINK ABOUT IT. The only way to make Banning accounts fair, is to make it profitable for riot in the same. Imagine if you could unban your account say for 30 euro, i bet riot would fix the report system then, wouldn't they. Just food for thought, but you have to get that there has to be something in it for riot ( or tencent) . They essentially lose money by banning players and shrinking their playerbase. Edit: maybe they should make the grade you get after the game be a coefficient to the LP gain/loss Edit 2 : i forgot to say I agree afking a ranked game more than like 1 time per 25 games should bring you down a whole division, lets see if they so easily join queue when in a rush. (i mean real afk, not afk farm jungle or 2 mins in a 50min game when you have to open the door)
Nope, people would only play for kda. That does not make sense for engage supports/jungle/top. best solution is to enable leaving the game without penalty.
xprsn (EUW)
: TL;DR Well, OP, you are just describing almost every ranked game. At this point it's pretty normal to have trolls/flamers/leavers in almost every game, just because. Some time ago Riot talked about their matchmaking system and how you are being matched with people on your level. Do you actually believe that? Do you believe that the people you describe in your post are actually on your level? Int feeders, leavers.. I know you don't think they are, and they probably aren't, but according to Riot their matchmaking system is balanced and again we are talking about Riot's knowledge about the word "Balance". According to Wikipedia: "In game design, balance is the concept and the practice of tuning a game's rules, usually with the goal of preventing any of its component systems from being ineffective or otherwise undesirable when compared to their peers." But let's go back to matchmaking. Let's say you are Silver II, the range of matchmaking will stretch to like Gold V on one side and Silver V on the other. In between those leagues there are thousands of players. Now let's say someone trolls and int feeds, but somehow his team manages to carry him. Let's say he does this 5 games in a row and gets 5 wins for doing nothing. That's a 5 win streak. That one will be matched with you, because according to Riot's matchmaking he is a good player, he has several wins in a row so he can play with people from a higher division. On the other side a 5 lose streak Gold V is matched with you, by the same logic. Don't get confused. Those two are nowhere near your level and you know your level better than anyone. We all encounter them and I am sick of playing with people who int feed, because they can't play safe, or junglers that gank only one lane or don't gank any lanes at all (am sorry, but first gank top lane 20 minutes into the game you might as well not come at all), or people that (and this is the most common) doesn't understand a single word in english and I can't make my team gather as 5 for at least ONE team fight, causing us to fight 2v5 or 3v5 and therefor lose the game. With 4 enemies dead (about 30 seconds respawn time) my team decides 1v5 to go for a Cloud Drake instead of opening the base. My ADC stacks attack speed and critical, while the enemy has 4 tanks stacked with health, armor and magic resist, where the mid laner alone can't burst them. And it follows "ADC, please build Lord Dominiks, they have 5 times your health and lots of armor" .. "%%% you, don't tell me how to play". Anyone here that can say "yes this person is on my level and I deserve to be matched with him" ? Doubtful. I started playing at some point during season 2 ot 3 I don't remember anymore. It was just after the release of Rengar, because I remember him being on the login screen and things were a lot different. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxAabW7JfTQ that video is so on point about the current status of LoL and it's sad that Riot values the money they can make from releasing new skins and new champions rather than the League of Legends community. And believe me, the servers that we play on and the servers the LCS, LCK, LPL etc are played are highly different, because the big money are there, while apparently we don't deserve the same quality. Just after the patch 8.6 every time the Nexus is about to explode my game freezes completely, something that hasn't happened before. 5 out of 6 games before the game starts I get an error saying that I don't have internet connection. This again started after patch 8.6. I didn't make a complaint to Riot, because I have previous experience with their support team. They will blame it on me. It's never their fault for something not being right. These patches are initially released in PBE before they go live, but in the end nothing is being fixed in before the live release, just like the initial shock after Zoe's first appearance and her insane early, mid and late game burst. No one knew how this champion actually got out of Beta, but then again that's Riot's balancing team. I hope someone from the red staff actually reads this and feel at least a bit shame for what they have turned this game into. The lack of %%%s that Riot gives about this is why the community is so damn awful resulting in not only us, the mortals leave, but as well as highly paid streamers quit the game. Rest in Pepperoni.
I do think they are ashamed, but they are not allowed to voice their honest opinion about it. If you ever encountered Riot Support staff you will realize that they just give you the "textbook" answer and nothing else.
Exhibit B (EUNE)
: Tell you what, when you get permanently banned like I did, You will realize that you can't go against Riot's any rules and you will play and focus on improving your own game even if you lose. Also, you will rage less when you understand two points above.
Or you becom so suddle a feeder that Riot can never ban you again. 1 or 2 Precisely timed deatsh can loose you the game and noone can say you were feeding in the end from just 2 deaths. Riot does not fight toxicity, Riot just wants the symptoms to dissapear. Toxicity comes from beeing trapped in a game for 20 minutes with people you dont want to play with. Any thing after that is just the result of the ladder. Dont ever succumb to their SJW ways, DEFEND JUSTICE ! by all means neccesary
Mada (EUW)
: The game is lost, surrender/open mid
Certainly in gold games can be thrown back and forth in a flash. But Streamers mostly show diamond games, That ACTUALLY are lost sometimes because people end the game like their are supposed to. They either dive people over and over or take all towers one after another and there really isnt much you can do once you fall behind in tempo and vision control. I know sometimes even gold players feel that way and its prbl. wrong. But look at it this way : maybe you dont feel like you have the skill yet to 1v9 and trying to would just be frustrating. Though in gold its prbl. just better to play it out and learn some teamfight mechanix ^^
: You keep comparing Korean servers to the rest, they are not the same in any way, shape or form. The players in Korea are not the players in Europe or America, also almost all games are winnable and almost all games by comparison are losable a comeback is always possible IF the people are willing to try.
Yeah, if you are a master Level player AND if you got a carry champ. This does not aply for equal skill level and /or tanks. Its enough to have one troll even in plat to loose because you just cant push out lanes anymore and you get chocked in your own base.
noob infant (EUNE)
: maybe it should be that way. if you look at the boards they are full of people that complain about trolls and afks. that would be the ultimate weapon to trolls that would just join games and leave with no penalty, only to start another and leave it as well. it would be interesting to see if it would "stabelise" over time if given the chance. maybe they should try it on russian server - it's pretty much dead anyway.
Their lp is lost in an instant, The fun about trolling is beeing able to hold people hostage and have control over them, aggrevate them., make them miserale. If you as a trol just leave the game and everyone else leaves and already made a new game, then what ? repeat that 4 more times and you get demoted. The whole point about fighting trolls is not giving them the oportunity to control you, which they can only do ingame. If they then want to add you to flaem you or smth, you can just deline. Once you leave the game they don hold power over you anymore! If thats REALLY the way they play every game then they will demote in about half an hour, Which before took around 20-25 minutes per game. If someone on the street tried to trigger you, you just walk away right ? Imagine beeing in a cage with an angry SJW irl for 30 minutes ? doesnt sound so good does it.
: anyone else has had enough
Really depends on what you want to test, For example basic Clear routes are best tested in the training mode because there you dont get a leash and you can see how much hp you loose exactly while clearing. If ylu just want to try the Champ out and stuff you can shadow the jungle bot and smite away the camps he is currently doing. This has 2 benefits : 1. Its funny to see them get executed by higher lvl camps because they never reached lvl 2, their ruined kda is easier to report LuL 2. its basicly a free camp for you
: just make better matchmaking. match noobs with noobs. dont match the people that actually try with shit teams.
Its really hard to accurately match people after their first 10 games, which is why I think placement games are a bad concept in general. It makes clmbing on a smurf a lot easier, and also its easier to get a really high mmr really fast. But its negative for the majority of the players i would say. Though its hard to find a solution for that becasue there will always be smurfs in some shape or form. Didnt think about a good fix for that one yet.
: I'm having a tough time not disagreeing with what you're saying
: You can leave the game at any time nobody is holding you prisoner in a match wtf. And koreans dont waste time, if the game is over but someone on your team doesnt wanna ff they do the so called passive inting, basically trying to bait your team into fights with you nearby, then when a fight erupts you go back to base etc. The only reasons this is common in korea is internet caffe culture+better game knowledge ie they understand a game is lost and dont have "never surr ranked" %%%%%%s in team.
No you cant leave the game without getting punished yourself (for their bad play might i add). If someone softints your game and you could just start a new one directly, wouldnt that eb less tilting then having to play the game out ?
: People seriously need to stop being toxic *****
Just post the match history so we can see for ourselfes Because it sounds like your team was winning and you didnt gruop to end the game so you ended up not beeing involved. And with all the farm and exp that your team didnt get because they shared farm/kills/exp. Also we cant tell wether the zac play was right or wrong because we dont have the replay so maybe riven knew zac was doing the right thing and you missplayed AND blamed zac for it after. Which tbh. would aggrevate me too.
Tuhma Sieni (EUNE)
: Can someone explain to me why I got punished by Riot?
LITERALLY ANYTHING is offensive and/or harrassment nowadays. If its not ok to tell people to report someone then i can argue that feeding and bad play offends me to and physically hurts me to look at. In other words the feeding idiot just physically assaulted me by playing so bad. Should that be reportable ?
Rioter Comments
: love your name! and a simple way to put it is they cant take criticism if i get called out for a bad play i acknowledge it to learn and improve from that mistake shame other people cant do the same thing even if they flame for example they call me a idiot i will mute them but i know i still made that mistake Learn adapt and evolve as a player! sometimes its good to just laugh it off {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
In higher elos when you say "you made mistake x", some people actually say "y sry". In low elo you either get a f*** you back or they blame you for it.
: they should just disable chat like blizz did in hearthstone
noob infant (EUNE)
: so you want to be able to leave(afk) whenever you feel like the game is over? well if everybody will get this imagine games being over after the 1st blood because people will just start to leave at first and later on it will be "omg, my adc missed the cannon minion, the game is lost, I go afk, good luck noobs". I think if riot evel lets people leave the game will die within a month or two. that being said I see where you are coming from as I had a ton of games where I just want to leave, as I see no way to win but my team refuses to concede, so I end up forced to play out another pointless 20 min. It would be great if there was a way to please all, but I just don't think it's possible.
Korean servers are stable arent they ? People will learn to balance the severity of the act that makes them afk. Give people the choice. If people make early game mistakes every game and are 0/5 and their whole team leaves, they are gonna be where they belong much faster and can paly in an environment where they belong much faster. Plus, they can try the part of the game where they suck at over and over much faster until they get it right. Its gonna balance itself out anyways, also it does not matter wether people open or if they can just leave and start a new game, same outcome. Less time wasted for everyone involved.
noob infant (EUNE)
: The game is designed to punish bad plays and players - they lose more often. isn' that punishment already? or would you like to permaban people for playing badly? well the first guy on that list would be that ekko borther and sencond the vi jugler, not the bot or top. I bet you would be banned ages ago, probably after playing your first game and feeding your arse off to someone who played 10 games more.
I want to punish them by loosing, fast. I wanna leave b able to leave the game and not have to play out an entire game with people i dont want to play with. That is what my post said. Micro, 1v1 and early itemization would be more important, maybe people would actually build defensive after loosing their first 1v1 to salvage lane. So people dont leave when they died for the 5th time solo in lane. Thats what i want. I want less toxicity, not beeing forced to play by riot and i dont others to be forced to play a game where they are lamed by a guy thats feeding.
Koalaroo (EUW)
: Flaming is abusive, not just statements about the game
This problem would not exist if bad play was punishable, if people could just leave the game and start a new one by themselfs, Korea open mid but faster. Maybe then Shaco could accept that he made some mistakes, Maybe he got %%%%ed over by a laner in a gank and or got countered, set behind and was unable to do anything about it. BUT then beeing forced to play out a game that you cannot win anymore is just a %%%%%%ed way to play the game and RIOT loves forcing people to play it out even if its lost. Maybe to rub it in their faces or smth. Or to make them toxic on purpose who knows. In any case, If shaco could have left maybe he would have just said sorry team i %%%%ed this one up and can start a new game. Or botlane could have said sry team but we their jungler did too much we cant fight them from behind anymore and leave. Yeah Its frustrating too but then there is an END to the torture.
: same happened to me, i was playing with my brother, he took ekko mid and warned the team that this was his first time against non bots. i was the jungler and went blue, as i always do with Vi, or toplane (fiora) didn't connect, i was waiting when the enemy invaded so i had to burn flash to escape and go red, hoping for a leash from botlane. i went red and pinged bot for help but they ignored me and stood still in the middle of the lane. by the time brambleback spawned the enemy bot was already engaging so i had to solo red burning smite on my first buff. the camp left me with very low health so i had to waste time doing longer paths to avoid an early recall. after that ekko started dying because he was against talon alone (as my plan was to do an early gank to give our mid a level advantage) while fiora was holding her own against trundle top. Our botlane was kai'sa and soraka, whom, i might add, did NOT pick resolve or aery but comet and spellthief (instead of relic shield or ancient coin) was constantly pushing against sivir and fiddlesticks, scrapping any chance i might had fpr a gank against a squishy botlane. Ekko died 3 times to talon before i could be able to help and immediately bot started to flame him because talon starded roaming and killing them (again, they were always pushing and almost never warded river) then they started to spam the "surrender" when we were 12 to 14 (still winnable considering we had gotten their towers top and mid) so i said "we can still win". after a while i started to notice kai'sa going back and forth in base and soraka pushing bot alone even when talon was clearly visible behind her. when i said "stop going bot alone, you are feeding talon!" Fiora, Kai'sa and Soraka immediately went all chat with " report Vi for flaming and Ekko for feeding". I really hate this kind of players, they tilt at the tiniest provocation but still feel entitled to feed and troll if the enemy gets even a single kill of advantage.
Riot dont punish bad play in no way shape or form. There was a duo of anivia tahm who lost 100% of their games sucesfully on purpose so they could win 100% on yii + Zilean. Riot didnt find out until it went on reddit/yt. If they are unable to ban THAT obvious systematic loosing, how can they even come close to banning people who set their team behind in other ways. Because of the SJW-inspired report system you cant say THE slightest thing to people without offending them (2018 btw) and even in riots eyes those comments are a CLEAR reason for chatbans etc.. But feeding your ass off and not even trying to get good at the game PLAYING ranked no less which "should" be a serious gamemodev is TOTALLY ok. Riot btw haHAA Int = ok , saying: "our jungler is inting us" = not ok , inting and saying: "better mid won" (or whichever lane he wants to insult) = ok... totally not beeing an ass And thats not even going intothe intrecacies of softint, hardint and tiltfeed. Riot doesnt care
: Well if someone is typing alot there is a cure called mute. Which removes that problem. Cant remove the actual important stuff.
YES ! exactly if there was an option to remoove the feed, THE ACTUAL reason for flame, people would do it. Yet thats the one thing riot does punish. guess what, if you dont give a flying %%%% its easy to not care (ikr who woulda thunk). People not trying is the thing serious players are mad about in the first place. Just give us infinite dodges, the ability to leave games without punishment, so that we can get away from bad players if we cant stand them anymore and also bad players can get away from flamers or people calling them out on their bad play. If someone tells me to kms i can just leave, if he feeds 0/10 and starts taking all the teams farm , i can just leave. Clear message, plus its the players who can enforece it.
WoOxêr (EUW)
: So what? Thats not the major reason why should get chat restriction at all. So if u in real life threating some one that he is getting arrested or he will call the police for his commit crime, thats also should be considered as reportable offense? Use common sense you brainless chickens. EDIT: This game is just full filled of kindergarten babies who raised by angels, and everyone acting here like angels.
: I am moderately unsurprised about why you received a punishment for that, like, not even I do such trash talk... If you have idiots on your team, try muting them and not talking at all instead of attempting to persuade them?
Can you forget the current system that is in place now ? My main problem is that in riots system feeding/inting is not a reportable offense. Beeing mad about people inting AND literally telling you to %%% aprently is. Thats neither fair nor ok because toxicity comes from bad play. AND just triggering people in 2018 is reportable, guess what : people get triggered a lot faster when they are loosing or beeing insulted (or getting inted). try stepping out of your lego world for once and dream of a league where i can just leave a game when someone feeds every lane and then flames me. Thats would save me from the need to try and still play out the game while that guy who doesnt car at all will never be punished.
: I was banned myself but i can see that one very similar thing and that's the start of the games! In those chats you can NOT see the conversation and that bothers me a lot. (i don't know how to quote properly) "Game 3 Cixoman: why didnt u do aa ? Cixoman: eh Cixoman: happens Cixoman: **np** Cixoman: nah,** it's okay buddy** Cixoman:** it was just unlucky**" "Game 2 Cixoman: kaisa can be palyed as an adc ? Cixoman:** nps bruh** Cixoman:_**chill out noiw**_ Cixoman: need mana to regen Cixoman: leave me kill... Cixoman: **n1** Cixoman: **wp**" "Game 1 Cixoman: cam u stop it bramnd Cixoman: **please **?" The game 1 even had "PLEASE" in it, you can just imagine what one internet hungry troll could say and do when he considered his teammate "showing his weakness" with this polite language. All games start well , and they end up bad cus people are too used to provoking, and even if they don't say anything their bad plays can trigger you. I understand you bro and its just shame that people decide NOT TO mute the man who is "toxic" and instead listen to him , maybe even trigger him even more, and in the end read all the stuff and report him, instead of muting and playing their own game if they feel "offended" by someones words. PS: Cixoman: **_chill out noiw_** you think the guy this was referred to was calm? ping spamming? raging? being toxic ? :)
Its exactly those cases where the system is just beeing abused and riot dont care, they just want their politically correct bubble for everyone. Well IF they do they have to remoove chat alltogether.
: I actually came to League today to complain about my own 25 game chat restriction. For the first time in over 4 seasons I received a chat ban on this account. it was 10 days and I kind of agree with the chat ban. Like, after 4 whole seasons you can imagine I have seen my fair share of insanity. Not just toxicity but really really sick people that manage to say things that ruin your mood and game before even get to mute them. But I flipped because some people are just so adept at saying horrible things that the mute really doesn't matter anymore. The game is done for me when some low elo player says some really hurtfull things that are just super super dumb. Or even worse, a higher elo player that says something similar when I know that people in that particular elo would generally agree with what I have to say/how I play. It is very possible for your teammates to say something that really undermines the entire team and the strategy you are following. And if you don't recognise that you simply don't play enough league. Heck, even boosters are advised to /muteall at the start of the game because even 1 ''well placed'' comment by a bronze player can destroy your mindset. And Boosters are even illegal but for those who have seen real boosters in action, the genuine kind, we know how much better they are at the game than even your typical diamond 5 smurf in bronze and silver. Either way my 2nd chat ban came after a game where I actually did not really say anything offensive. Gonna copy paste it in a post soon but the point is that the 2nd ban was really quite peculiar. Because I really didn't say much at all in that game other than question the guy that was actively ruining a ranked game. It was a 3v3 and he had to be that kind of toxic player that flamed about the CS on me as a hyper jungler. I just asked him a few things that were not only unoffensive but they were actually a genuine response trying to figure out how I could please him. Even though normally I obviously just mute because I know that helps the game better. Long story short I just asked him why he had to flame me about CS when he then goes on to actually take my Creeps in top and the jungle. I mean, I know these forums are more toxic than many games themselves but even the Forum Trolls here will agree that if you first flame someone about CS and then go on to take their CS on a role as farm reliant as Hyper Jungle in 3v3, anything you have said about the CS previously is just a plain joke because these 2 things are extremely contradicting. I called the flamer out for this and I really was ready to give up on the game because yeah if you struggle with CS on hyper jgl you are setting 1 of the Lose Conditions for that role. Either way we actually won the game because even though I felt so wronged by this hypocrite of a teammate, I still wanted to win because I knew that I could carry if the right oppertunities arose and guess what, we won! TL;DR I have a lot more to say but I have 1 big tip for everyone. Don't ever talk about anything that COULD be interpreted as negative. Only say stuff like ''I like rainbows and unicorns and please be my friend'' Honestly I don't think that these chat ban systems know anything about what people actually say to YOU. For example, someone is being racist and you are feeling really offended by that then do not say anything back. Because if YOU get reported the system will not show whatever has been said by anyone else. Only the person that got reported. This was not the case in times where The Tribunal still existed because I was a part of it. But I do think that is how it works now. Riot actually has a tip that says ''competitive bullshitting is ok'' But it is really not. If you are interested knowing the chat log for that 2nd chat ban I received feel free to check it out as I will post it in another post. But honestly DO NOT TALK IN LEAGUE, if you don't want to get banned. You can win, you can make sensable points that completely outweigh the toxic logic of the guy flaming you. But Riot does not care, it seems like Riot has already given up on these toxic people and only try to save/pnuish those that might still be saved. And yet, I am certain that after a full season of this policy where Riot hardcore punishes anyone there will still be these toxic people that Ruin the game for players that GENERALLY NEVER TALK AT ALL. The injustice is insane, and these Forum trolls will never agree with you.
You should NOT feel deserving of that ban, if other people can feed and int their asses off and get away with it simply cause riot wont re-enable the tribunal. As in many posts i made today because teh cluelessness of riot is really pissing me off, FLAME comes from the game riot made. It is enhanced through not beeing able to get away from feeders and flamers. It is enhanced through flaming , a product of bad play, beeing the ONLY thing riot ever tracks and punishes. People get frustrated because riot wont help them and teammates cant defend them either just because they have tofear getting reported too by bratty asshole that are feeding and looking for excuses. this is a 100% selfmade RIOT-problem that a lot of people suffer from. The inability to see whats wrong with te game and why its toxic and its getting worse every season. Also there have never been more successfull bots (jungle bots) in ai-games.
Raistlin (EUNE)
: Hey just a random "toxic" guy here. https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/ezRhA3ym-banned-by-hand-of-toxic-players What this game needs is: 1. Afk detector - if AFK or no damage/skills used on enemy/allied champions for a prolonged period of like 5 minutes, you get kicked ! Aaand you get replaced by another player who was in queue which will join a game-in-progress with average gold amount for that time-stage of the game and average lvl. So no 5v4 victories EVER AGAIN. 2. Chat toxicity update - there are few hundreds of new toxic and insulting words that are not in the database and no matter how many times you spam them you wont flinch a warning ever. Spam detector - if someone is spamming too many of toxic words he should just be automatically kicked with a 30min cooldown to queue. 3. HWID BAN- Permaban allows you to create another account right away and continue your endeavor of making League of legends toxic yet again, well no more, with this type of ban ,they can eat their hands with which they typed those insults but nothing will help them, they are gone for good. That is just top of my head, riot is very capable i hear, i mean , i must be smartest guy on the planet to tell them these things right, since they did not think of that yet, or they just dont care.
1. Afk detector is already in the game, junglers are excluded since there ARAE farm junglers who go for objectives to power up. the secondsugestion of point 1 is out of the question. People would just pick lategame champs for beeing swapped in with a bunch of gold where they should be behind. Stacking champs like kinded nassu veigar are also excluded. Also you can not afk and still do nothing. 2 . Anything can offend any one person on earth. for the example the country Niger (as a word) is censored from a lot of chats. How does that make their fellow citizens feel ? Riot deciding what is right and what is wrong IS the problem, bring back tribunal so people actually see what was typed in that game, so people who decide are not automated but have a context. 3. Tyler was banned on sight but there are worse flamers in Korea, that does not solve anything + too hard to enforce.
Smerk (EUW)
: But you have an option to choose your teammates in League, so all this banter is pointless. Just play the god damned flex with full premade
New players dont have that option, ranked is the only remotely serious mode, ranked is limited to 1-2 people. 1 loosing lane can make you loose the game. No punishments there.
Raistlin (EUNE)
: What this game needs is: 1. Afk detector - if AFK or no damage/skills used on enemy/allied champions for a prolonged period of like 5 minutes, you get kicked ! Aaand you get replaced by another player who was in queue which will join a game-in-progress with average gold amount for that time-stage of the game and average lvl. So no 5v4 victories EVER AGAIN. 2. Chat toxicity update - there are few hundreds of new toxic and insulting words that are not in the database and no matter how many times you spam them you wont flinch a warning ever. Spam detector - if someone is spamming too many of toxic words he should just be automatically kicked with a 30min cooldown to queue. 3. HWID BAN- Permaban allows you to create another account right away and continue your endeavor of making League of legends toxic yet again, well no more, with this type of ban ,they can eat their hands with which they typed those insults but nothing will help them, they are gone for good. That is just top of my head, riot is very capable i hear, i mean , i must be smartest guy on the planet to tell them these things right, since they did not think of that yet, or they just dont care.
Flaming is not the source of toxicity , its BAD PLAY !
: > [{quoted}](name=xxx6Wizard9xxx,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=cGA0aBrU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-03-20T06:46:52.252+0000) > > Not all but many. And Rito refuse to do anything about it for almost 8 years. What are the reports for intentional feeding for if villains do not get punished? Problem is, 99% of the time is not intentional, but @ickheads will still spam the chat for "report" the moment one kill is given...
inting for is for example not building defensive after your gave away that first kill, maybe you can outplay by just building more dmg ??? NO, people who want to have fun build dmg, people who want to win sit back and recover until help can airve to get them back up. Jungler could swing a 0/2 back but not 0/6. Thats a form of int too, but riot wont admit it.
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=iliveasadlife,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EUJ6xYgq,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-03-21T14:15:35.996+0000) > > So basically you just killed a game for two people Don't take this the wrong way: how many of your accounts were perma-banned? We don't "kill" anything for anyone. We are teaching the system what is acceptable and what isn't. It's our "duty" to report toxic behaviour. Those that are toxic dig their own grave.
If someone ints/feeds your game is it ok for you to tell them they are bad ? and if so, should they report you? On that note did you ever call someone out for beeing bad at league ?
: Season 8: Attack of the trolls
Thats not even adressing the ISSUE why the game is toxic in the first place. Toxiciity comes from BAD PLAY. In other games such as wow YOU decide who you are teaming up with so when you think your team is trash, look for a more suitable one and if your team thinks YOU are trash the same princople aplies. You can try to talk to them and tell them what you want those people to do, how they should change their play. If it doesnt work or if someone insults you and you dont want to deal with it, fine. Leave the gruop and get teammates you WANT to play with. League is the polar oposite: if you are unhappy with your team, well f*** you. You are trapped with them til the end of the game, now way around it without beeing punished. The way out of toxicity is beeing blocked from start by riot. Maybe talking will help: Telling someone to change their play ( buy defensive, leave tower instead of getting dove) will likely not work and also be taken as an offense, both literally and in the following report THAT IS SURE TO COME. Not only that but if they should insult you there is ALSO no way out of it. They can badmouth you infront of everyone and neither he or you have any way to proove who has really been the toxic one since team chat is not shown to everyone or people might mute the toxic person. so everything he throws at you YOU HAVE to take to actually be able to file a report. Lastly the report system: As i stated before, toxicity comes from BAD PLAY. in one way OR another, beeing tilted from a feeder last game and carrying that with you or simply having a troll in you own game who is feediing and blaming other people for it. if everyone played perfect there would be no need to flame. Flame is just the manifestation of anger and frustration toward bad plays. Sometimes people are angry about their own missplay and rage against other players looking fo excuses (even if they wont admit it). Contrary to BAD PLAY beeing the root of the problem, the report system can only adress the "symptoms" of the real problem, the flame resulting from bad play. And just like symptoms can apear in entirely different regions from the source, flame can erupt from people other than the one who caused it. People are punished for actions that were comprehensibly triggered by another person. Riot wants to make you unable to defend yourself against the amount of bad play cause if you lash back, you get punished too (natural human instinct BTW). With all that beeing said here is how i think the toxicity will be solved: The first point i mentioned "beeing able to leave the gruop and avoid the toxicity" . If people are able to leave games and start a new one without beeig punished, the flame would stop. Beeing toxic to other people would have an amidat response and maybe people would just say "sry" if they legitimately did a bad play so everyone doesnt leave. Ofc its hard but thats the way Korean servers have operated since the beginning of league and their playerbase is more skilled than any other because they care about winning. Ofc bad play alone isnt solved by this but bad play is finally punishable by people just refusing to play with the bad players. As long as people have a choice, a way out they wont be needing to defend themselfs against flame (all the flame makes f*** really mild these days btw)
: Wow you called him dumbass! I feel so offended i think i'll have to report you after game! You are so rude! ^ League community these days.
Or if you tell your support to stop beeing afk in the brush and hit the wave > instant report
Mada (EUW)
: Last two days I got instant feedback twice
You didnt even post the Game history, reports for bad behaviour are the most likely to go through. Saying you dont even remember what he said is perfect example of how the report system is beeing abused for vengance only. Those guys could have reported you just aswell. Riot doesnt punish BAD PLAY, inting, feeding, loosing hard and buying items that will make you loose even hard (not tabi vs. full ad for example when youare alreaady loosing). So before you let people jump to conlusions send the game report too so we can actually see WHO really made the team loose. 1 early game play can literally win/loose the game on a snowball champ. The report system is bad when you have to report feeders for bad behavior JUST to get results.
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: If they are clever about it they won't get banned at all, the system only really punishes flamers because it is much easier to detect. The only problem with what you're saying is say someone loses internet connection like a power cut or something then that would be a really harsh punishment, there is games were people will say they will feed or afk or something then they should be hammered imo.
Someone already tried it as an experiment. He literally ran down mid with mobis and didnt get banned at all A HUGE number of times
: HI Boosted Energy The best tip you can get is "Do Not Write In Chat" not even a word or " . " . If you don't write you can't get ban except if you leave games. If someone is toxic or anoying you mute them just /muteplayer , don't say like "muted kids" or "muted". So don't write anything and use your pings to play. You can't win every game, but some of them you can carry if you can't than you deserve your elo. Best of luck! {{sticker:sg-syndra}}
what if they talk bad about you to get your reported in all chat and you dont see ? a thresh support on the enemy team reported me for bad atitude even though i didnt type in all chat ONCE. I even have screen of it because he even added me later and told me. JUST A PURE SALT REPORT
wat is dis (EUNE)
: Chat ban issue
People will report your for Harrassment even IF you feed, becasue its the easiest ban to make work and the most frequently enforced. If have been thinking about it too since WHY SHOULD I BE CALM when they are feeding theri %%%%ing asses off ruining my game and the game of everyone else. Literally THE #1 reason for toxic behavior is BAD PLAY. And league has some interesting sidefactors that make it EVEN more toxic. You can no leave the game and/or dodge without penalty meaning you are stuck with the dumbass/es for at least 20 minutes. The report system is absolute bullshit since its automated, you get reported by flamers for, who guessed it .. flaming or by bad players who are salty. Telling your support you lost lane becasue he stood afk in the bush lvl 1 as sona is enough to generate a report on their side. Funny enough the only VIABLE way to not only loose games but also commit a reportable offense that will never trigger a ban is trollliing/softinting (the spawn of flaming). It will literally NEVER be punished. You can run around the map and either take all the waves from your team to make them bleed out or you can die once lategame to ensure a loss and NEVER ever will you get banned. The guy who flamed you for it SURE will. Also riot says the amount of reports dont matter but they do ... idk why they are lieing about it .. maybe so people dont band together but a premade duo will always win the report war. There is also no way to put the chatlogs IN PERSPECTIVE, maybe someone told your to kill yourself OVER AND OVER AND OVER or that your familie dies bla bla bla... but hey you called him a %%%%%% ... thats ?? eually bad `? in a nutshell : NOBODY feels like they are beeing treated farly or that the punishments are rigtheous, which is a very valid criik. If someone is so bad yu loose lane lvl 2 i should be allowed to just go out of the game, take the lp loss and start a new game. I wouldnt even mind as long as i have a way out of the shitty game and the BEST PART so does he. Beeing stupid af should have consequences that players themselfs can take. Its clearly working in Korea and their community still exists I believe its FAR LESS toxic and the LP will balance itself out anyways. People who just want to win are punished because they cant stop their dumb ass teammate from feeding even if they scream at him. Toxicity: loss of control, bad play, huge ego, competetive mindset
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