: Toxic poeple?
>Living proof that Riot dont give a damn over what poeple type. 90% of bans are over what people type. If anything, what people type is pretty much the *only* thing RIot give a damn about. The difference here is that this is private chat. You have the luxury of unfriending them and never having to deal with them again at any point you want. The chat keeps going on because YOU allow it to.
Atlas (EUNE)
: Banned because I typed a Trigger word in Pre-Game chat, should I try to send Support a ticket?
: I'll never play League of Legends game in my life
So much beeps in this guy's post I can't tell if it's english or morse code
: Junglers not ganking top because I asked them nicely.
If asking them nicely is the problem, then ask them very rudely.
: RIOT REMOVE MY PERMABAN I DONT DESERVE THIS
If you're going to photoshop chat logs, at least try to get the typeface right.
: That is not true. If you int on purpose you will get banned. I saw it with my own eyes.
If you go 0/69 with zeal mobis and tears yes you will get banned. If you soft int, flash into the enemy team, spam dance and go "oops mb guys just having bad game xd" nothing will happen to you.
Arammus (EUW)
: "just a bad game"
Nothing to see here guys, better work harder on those new emotes and pizza sivir chromas.
: i am MAD
Yeah it's a real mystery how the Zed who has nearly double your cs is snowballing on your team.
st4Iker (EUW)
: Where am I making any excuses? please quote it
>I'm not talking about what the other guy said, I'm saying that you just edited all the neutral/positive stuff that I said. If you really wanna make a point, Boom, excuses. How will posting the rest of your chat logs make telling someone to **hang themselves** an appropriate thing to say? What context could there possibly be where this is an okay thing to say to someone?
: Riot baned my Account without me violating the Terms of Use
The reason is the sudden upranking from Silver to Diamond in a single season. Riot takes elo boosting very seriously and usually only suspends accounts when they're 100% sure someone used an elo boosting service. If you're entirely convinced that you ranked the account up yourself without using an elo boosting service, message Riot support and offer your full cooperation on the matter. There is such a thing as a false positive. If Riot were wrong, they'll unban your account. But be warned, you can't really lie to them. Riot can check the IP and MAC address for every game played on your account and if they find that other people have been playing on your account - they won't unban it.
Montazuma (EUW)
: I know context is being ignored, but cmon! This is beyond reason and logic, replying to a single person with the phrase '%%%got' at the end of the sentence, is _obviously_ not an attack on the homosexual community. It's like taking a barrage of insults from a typical league player, then replying he has a mental defect and interpriating that as an attack on the mentally disabled community at large. Fair enough that context can't be taken into account like in disputes (He said she said), but this is just laughable..
Calling someone a %%%got is not an insult to the homosexual community, but it's an insult towards that particular someone. So how is that not grounds for punishment?
: Tbh, botlane meta is the best meta you could ask for, because EVERY lane can help botlane. Mid can roam Top can TP Jungle can camp Any other meta, only the support can roam, and likely not to toplane and a Janna ganking mid isn't exactly game breaking in comparison to a TP malphite or Illaoi or Camille ult. But meta aside - It's a team game. No matter what the meta is, ultimately teamplay wins. You don't always get great teams or fantastic smurf botlane players but you can still fulfill a role and a purpose to that particular game and how you decide to play it can be the difference between winning and losing, or throwing. You can still climb and have an effect on your elo overall in any lane - Just sometimes games feel impossible and like everything is going against you. If you're tilted take a break.
Yeah, as a top laner, this is exactly what I want in my solo queue games. I love it when my entire agency on the game boils down to how effective I am at getting *someone else* ahead, someone I have absolutely no control over. I love it when the game is in someone else's hands and the only thing I can do is try to get them ahead and hope for the best. A really fun and engaging meta, I gotta say.
CalmN (EUNE)
: A little bit of reality check for everyone playing league.
> so maybe some people would reconsider spending money on skins and in game content if all it takes just that to get a perma ban. :) I don't understand how people still use this argument. You have to be a real idiot to get permabanned on League to begin with. Literally all you have to do to avoid punishment in League is **stop using the chat** >B-but I'm only human, I get angery! There are SO MANY ways to vent your frustration in-game without being punished. Do what's called "soft inting" die completely intentionally, but don't do it too much and too often - as long as you're not making it obvious (0/20/0 Zeal+Mobis with 0 damage dealt to champions) you will not be banned. Spam dance and emotes in front of the enemy team while they're trying to siege. Refuse to participate in teamfights and then question mark pings (or /all ?) your team when they lose the teamfight. Flash into the enemy team, die and then say "mb having bad game hehe" in all chat. Obviously you're being a complete douche by doing any of these, but they likely will never end up in a punishment. So why chatting? Why are you venting your anger using the only method you actually have a chance of being punished for? That's like if someone tells you "you can get away with murder, arson, battery and public nudity, but NOT car theft" and then you go ahead and steal a %%%%ing car.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
So "someone somewhere might whine about it every now and then" is a perfectly valid reason to scrap a system that will likely improve the playing experience of more or less every ranked player? There's already enough ammo in the hands of those who hate autofill - it's called autofill's existence.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
>Yet you didn't consider this: your suggestion punishes autofilled players. Now you're just grasping at straws and you've somehow managed to grasp onto a very weak one. A couple of seasons ago we didn't have autofill, because we didn't have role selection. I don't think the expectation of learning more than 1 role at a decent enough level to at least be average at it is too enormous for the average ranked player. Plus, if a player rakes in good KDAs, CS numbers, KP%, damage numbers, objective control and vision coverage, I don't think the occasional autofill game is gonna stall their LP gains too much. Players like those are competent enough to be able to hold their own in pretty much any role. If they get autofilled, they'll be average and get average LP gains. Then for 3 consecutive games they'll be autofill protected so they can be above average and gain above average LP gains.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
>How do you measure shotcalling or map awareness? You can measure map awareness via a decent vision score, low amount of isolated deaths and high kill participation. Shotcalling doesn't need measurement - its impact is immediate. Good shotcalling results in better rotational play and thus in higher KDA, KP%, DPM and larger number of objectives taken. In other words, shotcalling isn't measured by *a* metric, it's measured by *every* metric. >How do you measure the effectiveness of splitpushing or double jungling? Splitpushing through damage dealt to enemy structures and low amount of isolated deaths. I don't know what you mean by "double jungling", though. You mean invading alongside your jungler? if so, damage dealt to neutral objectives in the enemy's side of the map. >Why should being ahead in CS but doing nothing else for the rest of the game give you bonus points? It absolutely shouldn't. I'm repeating myself here, but what I'm suggesting is tracking a person's performance via *multiple metrics*. To win more LP than average, you need to be above average in *most of them*, not just 1 or 2. And conversely, to lose more LP than average, you need to be below average in *most of them*, not just 1 or 2.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
>This is a team game. You win and fail as a team. Really good mentality to have in principle, but completely inapplicable realistically. You win or lose as a team, but you are *ranked as an individual*. And right now, your individual performance doesn't have any kind of immediate reward. >None of your suggestions solve the fundamental issue - KDA being the main deciding factor to judge your personal performance. That's honestly the exact opposite of what I'm saying. I literally specified that a wide variety of variables need to be taken into account when judging performance. If someone runs around tagging people for assists to get a high KP%, their KDA and CS/gold gen. for supports will suffer. If someone plays super passive and only last hits kills for a good KDA, their damage dealt and KP% will suffer. If someone just farms for a high CS/m, all their other metrics will suffer. In every case, players doing this will end up losing more LP than they need to, because they'll have 1 good metric and the rest of them will be garbage. It's impossible to have a high KDA, high KP%, high CS/m and gold AND high DPM unless you've absolutely deserved it via your performance. In other words, it's possible to cheat your way into having good values on one metric, but not all of them. It's a game, performance can indeed be measured via statistics. The current system isn't in any way better, it's just lazier and requires less effort on Riot's part.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
I disagree with the OP wholeheartedly, but I also disagree with your point as well. This would only be an issue if the system is designed to reward good KDA and nothing else. A Ranked system that puts emphasis on individual performance is 100% feasible, though would be pretty complex to make and would require a lot more than looking at someone's KDA. ___ A good example of a functioning system like that would be: • Comparing your KDA to other players in your MMR range on the same champion. • Comparing your damage dealt to champions / structures / objectives to other players in your MMR range on the same champion. • Comparing your kill participation to other players in your MMR range on the same champion. • Comparing active gold gained (gold from CS, proximity tower gold, jungle creeps, takedowns and any non-ambient or teamwide gold) to other players in your MMR range on the same champion. ___ Then you take all these values into account. If they are above average, you gain more LP per win and lose less LP per loss. And if they are below average, you gain less LP per win and lose more LP per loss. Emphasis on the fact that a player who loses will never end up winning LP and a player who wins will never lose LP regardless of individual performance. But **how much** LP they gain/lose per win/loss respectively should be determined by these values (among others), rather than some arbitrary MMR system that they can neither see, measure, nor even be 100% sure is even valid and functional.
EGG Joc (EUW)
: Honestly, I dont even want to play Ranked anymore
Accept that unless you're smurfing, Ranked is essentially a coin flip and you'll have a much happier time climbing.
: I won't report you for flaming because I'm offended, since I'm not offended by anything you say
The main reason why I report toxic players is because they're wasting valuable time whacking away at their keyboard. **This isn't a bloody chatroom**, I need you out there putting down vision, landing skillshots, doing damage and being useful, not sitting under tier 2 mid typing "omfg report this jungle noob".
Díào ge (EUW)
: How is that toxic
>Díào ge: gg Díào ge: im afk Díào ge: we gging I wonder what got you banned 🤔🤔🤔
: do u actually think that im joking? riot's %%%%ing shit at balancing and keeping this game good. only wannabe pro players are playing this game and MOST streamers start playing fortnite.
Oh, you were serious. That's sad. Nightblue3 made an emotional tweet about how he quits League, which he stayed true to for all of 24 hours before starting to play League again because his twitch views tanked. Can't think of any other streamers that quit League to play Fortnite. All of the popular League streamers are still playing. Sure, they play Fortnite too, but they play tons of other games. Dyrus plays a lot of Sea of Thieves, are you gonna tell me Sea of Thieves is gonna kill League too? The idea of being married to a game and playing only that game is stupid.
Febos (EUW)
: You know what else is allowed? Having sex in public, because I saw it happen one time. Know what else? Stealing food from the supermarket is also allowed, because I saw it happen multiple times. {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
Technically there is no law *against* having sex in public in most EU countries. There's a law against indecent exposure in privately owned buildings such as malls, libraries, etc. and I'm pretty sure parks are administrative property so that law applies there as well, but anywhere else? Legally, nobody can stop you.
: why do you even bother.? fortnite is slowly killing league. so you'd better start playing fortnite and pubg they are MUCH MUCH better and more fun pubg might be the most bugged game ever made but its still more fun and harder than league. im playing league since early 2013 and league's going downhill after the end of season 5 either riot will %%%%ing fix shit up (remove tanks completely) or add legacy servers so WE can choose what season we want to play on. AND DONT TELL ME THAT THEY DONT HAVE THE MONEY TO AFFORD THE SERVERS they make %%%%ing millions by releasing useless ugly skins.
Buddy april fools was yesterday, you can stop now.
: I GOT PERMABANNED FOR THIS? What a stupid ban system!
Gosh I hope nobody looks at the date today...
Rioter Comments
: been in fluctuation between silver 5 - silver 3 so its more just stuck in silver and I play casually and whats your point? Also its hard to get good as Yasuo when he is banned this often so thank you for backing my point.
Normal games. Blind pick. Playing with premades. Practicing him in a custom 1v1 vs a friend. All of those are preferable ways to get good at Yasuo over trying him out in Ranked when you're not very good at him.
: Its the internet buddy, whats the point, we all understood so why does it matter? Anything better to do? Go away.
Because maybe, just maybe, the guy who wrote it might benefit off knowing the proper distinction between their/they're/there? Getting corrected is how you learn.
: Should banning team intents be allowed in low elo?
Banning a teammate's champion is not against the rules, however it's a diсk move. Playing a champion you're not good at in Ranked just because you find them fun and severely reducing your teammates' chances of winning is also a diсk move. Neither is better than the other. They're both diсk moves.
: Fun Fact #404: Most Poeple that play ranked, play to rank up. Poeple that are Hardstuck in silver for over 100 games of Solo Q are just bad and use the "i don't care" to protect their egos, because they can't admit their bad.
They're* I agree with the rest of the message, though.
Lozrael (EUW)
: "Don't gank a losing lane"
That's not an excuse, that's a perfectly valid strategy. Ganks exist to snowball laners so they can carry the game. If someone can't even stop themselves from feeding 1v1 (nevermind being unable to win lane), they're probably not gonna be able to carry the game. It's just a bad time investment. Your time as a jungler is far better spent ganking a better player.
: > where my support without notice, without communication of any kind decided to last hit every single minion in the game intentionally despite being notified and asked to stop. This might surprise you but as long as the support is trying to win the game, there's **no rule** against taking farm. Going against the meta isn't a sin. The fact that in the bot lane, adc is usually the one taking farm is just *courtesy*.The supportis under no obligation to not take farm. > A little note, the tribunal was one of the best things to happen in the game. It was also the *slowest* way to distribute punishment. It was a great ideea in the first few seasons when the community was still relatively small. But after the explosion of players in season 3 or 4 (I forget which one), the tribunal was so slow in giving out punishment that it sometimes took literally months to punish a player for bad behaviour. The IFS is wayyyyyy faster >Would you have stayed and had my farm taken or left. Consider its a normal game. Yes. Besides, as you said... its just a normal ;)
>It was also the slowest way to distribute punishment. It was a great ideea in the first few seasons when the community was still relatively small. But after the explosion of players in season 3 or 4 (I forget which one), the tribunal was so slow in giving out punishment that it sometimes took literally months to punish a player for bad behaviour. >The IFS is wayyyyyy faster You know, if you look at my post history, I've been an avid defender of the IFS, but honestly what you're saying is by far the most poorly constructed attempt at an argument I've ever seen. When it comes to issues that aren't related to verbal toxicity, the current system we have is just plain garbage. A slow system that takes ages to punish is still better than a system that just **plain doesn't work**. Let's be real here, only about 5% of actual, intentionally game-disruptive behavior ever gets picked up and punished. 95% of people who intentionally ruin the gaming experience of others are free to do so with absolute impunity. The tribunal was slow, but at least it did *something.* And while I do agree that verbal toxicity absolutely needs to be punished, in the grand scheme of things, it's a pretty big non-issue compared to, say, intentional feeding. And intentional feeding is honestly just the tip of the iceberg. Actual, subversive intentional game-disruptive behavior is almost 100% never punished at all. The likes of a player standing in the tier 2 pixel brush spamming abilities to avoid AFK detection while refusing to defend their base because "noob jungler no gank gg ff 20" and just letting the enemy end 5v4. The likes of an autofilled support instalocking smite Nunu and following their jungler around, flashing to steal all their camps because he refused to trade. The likes of a mid laner who dies to first blood and goes "gg go next" and disconnects, knowing full well that the only punishment he's going to get is a minor nuisance of having to wait 20 minutes before he can ruin someone else's game. Compare those examples to someone being mean in chat and you can see how much of a non-issuse verbal toxicity is in comparison. Toxicity certainly happens a lot more often, but it can be completely negated by the press of a single button and we have plenty of ways to punish it while it happens. For intentional subversive trolling, we have **absolutely no way of prevention or punishment**. So while the tribunal might have been slow, **_at least it worked._**
: As far I'm aware, his Purge attacks aren't classed as auto attacks, so they don't proc Conqueror's activation.
That's interesting, because purge **does** proc Press the Attack.
: Really hate riot, all of the games i flamed was because of people trolling me. AND ruining my gaming experience. And another one of the game i literally got flamed by my whole team who was premades, and said some things to defend myself. and all of them kept saying report ezreal in all chat. And ofc all report me and i get permabanned
> all of the games i flamed was because of people trolling me. AND ruining my gaming experience. And another one of the game i literally got flamed by my whole team who was premades, and said some things to defend myself. So basically it was always someone else's fault and never your own?
: My friend got perma ban because of trolling premades that lied and reported him for nothing
It's impossible to be banned for nothing. 1 report has the same value as 9 or 90. All reports do is trigger an investigation. Your friend was banned because he was toxic, not because of premades.
: Permanently banned
>Anyways, %%% can be interpreted as Keep Yourself Safe :D. Oh yeah of course it can.
: To be clear here, I do not care about your opinion on the specifics. Riot does not reverse bans so I did not come here looking for absolution or support for "hey that's a bit shitty" I am telling league players to protect their money because Riot's approach to community policing is going to leave ever increasing numbers bereft of access to the game they have bought into. For the majority of players that support the sort of community Riot professes to want and is acting towards you should really push for open chat to be removed, preset text only because human interaction is apparently to fraught with conflict to handle.
>I am telling league players to protect their money because Riot's approach to community policing is going to leave ever increasing numbers bereft of access to the game they have bought into. 1) You have not *bought into* anything. League of Legends is a free to play game. 2) Any money that you've given to Riot - you've done so on your own volition. Riot has not taken your money, you gave it to them. 3) A good way to "protect your money" is to not directly violate the Terms of Service.
Koalaroo (EUW)
: Flaming is abusive, not just statements about the game
In psychology, this is what's referred to as **cognitive dissonance**. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance To give you a tl;dr of what that is - cognitive dissonance is a phenomenon where, when someone believes in something very strongly and is presented with evidence that contradicts their beliefs, they begin acting weirdly. Most players, especially those in low elo, enter the game with the utmost conviction that they are incapable of mistakes, or at the very least that they're the best player in that game and a head above the rest in their elo. So when they make a mistake and someone points it out, they experience cognitive dissonance. If they are the best player, they couldn't possibly be making a mistake. Thus, in their mind, the only possible explanation left is that you're a flamer who's targeting them personally. Just to clarify, a person experiencing cognitive dissonance isn't stupid, insane or delusional. They just act that way because their brains are having problems processing two contradicting ideas at the same time.
: Dearest Riot, feedback on my account ban!
"If you're wondering why I brutally murdered a man 2 days ago, it's because he stole my sandwich."
: Wouldnt you hate someone whos driving trough a puddle so that you get wet?
Yes, but if you toss a rock at his windshield and crack it, his insurance company will make YOU pay for it and no legal institution in the world is gonna accept your argument of "YEAH BUT HE STARTED IT!"
Oscaimiri (EUW)
: Flaming should be allowed
: It's misspelt name of the holy book of Islam - the Quran. Which admittedly has been used as a justification for some acts that are not neccessarily considered appropriate according to western society values. But so has the Bible in the past coughslaverycough. Still bringing in his apparent islamophobia to the discussion of toxicity in League is sort of in poor taste.
Being non-muslim, I haven't really read the Quran, but I'm pretty sure saying the Quran is responsible for radical Islam is the same as saying the Bible is responsible for the Holy Crusades. It's not the book being bad, it's people being stupid.
: BM is part of the game, and making BM a bannable offense shouldn't even be considered.
Feeders, trolls, off-meta picks and AFKers in your promos are also part of the game too, but you people consistently lose your shit over them and make like 200 threads per day about them. So why the double standards?
: > [{quoted}](name=Hide on küsh,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=lX5IE3Pd,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2018-02-20T21:17:21.152+0000) > If you want to surrender, just type /ff in chat. If your team agrees they'll vote yes. If not, you suck it up and play. Saying "ff at 15" in chat literally helps absolutely nobody and only shits on team morale. > And from my experience, people who call for ff after like 10 minutes usually just sit around base and AFK if their vote doesn't go through. And players like those are literally worse than int feeders. Just play the damn game. I do not know how it usually goes in your normal games, but for ranked this is as far from reality as it gets. > Looking at your match history, I can't pinpoint a single game where a player looks like they're int feeding. If you think I'm wrong, you're more than welcome to PM me all this "evidence" you have. If you can not clearly see the inters by looking at the mach history there is no point for me to continue the debate in that sense. > "StuckInAZoo: i mean the aoe radious bonobo" > > I'm sure you totally meant the breed of monkey and this wasn't an insult towards the player xd Were we not talking about calling people %%%%%%ed? Couldn't find anything to support your claim and decided to switch it up? Or maybe you want to argue that calling someone a bonobo once is as deserving of a permanent ban as calling someone %%%%%%ed?
>I do not know how it usually goes in your normal games, but for ranked this is as far from reality as it gets. So am I to assume that in your most recent ranked game, where you were a level 9 Ahri 100 CS and 3 levels behind the enemy Xerath, you **weren't** sitting at base waiting for the game to end? You don't get to singlehandedly decide when the game is over. Nobody died and made you King. >If you can not clearly see the inters by looking at the mach history there is no point for me to continue the debate in that sense. Nope, nothing in your most recent match history even remotely suggests inting, assuming you're using that word correctly. Players getting stomped? Yes. But nothing to even remotely suggest that they were dying on purpose. Again, if you have so much "proof" about it, perhaps you can share some of it. It's hard to tell just by looking at someone's score.
: So even calling ff if considered toxic nowadays? Wow xD nothing more to say about that one. Saying someone likely had a bad game has no ground of evidence from you whats so ever. Where as I have plenty of evidence people were actually inting. Where have I called anyone %%%%%%ed? Are we reading different chat logs or one of us doesn't understand English that well?
>So even calling ff if considered toxic nowadays? Wow xD nothing more to say about that one. It absolutely is. If you want to surrender, just type /ff in chat. If your team agrees they'll vote yes. If not, you suck it up and play. Saying "ff at 15" in chat literally helps absolutely nobody and only shits on team morale. And from my experience, people who call for ff after like 10 minutes usually just sit around base and AFK if their vote doesn't go through. And players like those are literally worse than int feeders. Just play the damn game. >Saying someone likely had a bad game has no ground of evidence from you whats so ever. Where as I have plenty of evidence people were actually inting. Looking at your match history, I can't pinpoint a single game where a player looks like they're int feeding. If you think I'm wrong, you're more than welcome to PM me all this "evidence" you have. >Where have I called anyone %%%%%%ed? Are we reading different chat logs or one of us doesn't understand English that well? "StuckInAZoo: i mean the aoe radious bonobo" I'm sure you totally meant the breed of monkey and this wasn't an insult towards the player xd
: Automated ban system has reached the pinnacle of absurdity
Holy shit yeah totally undeserved. Calling for an ff before midgame has even rolled around, calling for a report on someone "for inting" just cause he was likely having a bad game, calling players %%%%%%ed, all of that is perfectly normal and shouldn't be punished at all!
Loonsteer (EUW)
: Get chat restriction for telling the truth.
Looking at your match history, I can't really see a game in which your adc went 0/14. The closest thing to that is one game where you played Fizz mid and your Draven, **who was an autofilled top laner** ended up going 3/11 **and having more gold than you**. Also if you think this ban is undeserved, you are as close to delusional as it gets.
: Should players actually be able to be -perma banned- for being toxic?
The issue is, people have a very low understanding about why they got banned for verbal abuse. Most of them think they did nothing wrong and were either "defending themselves" or "got caught up in the heat of the moment". But you don't get banned for incremental toxicity. You don't get banned for getting overly emotional one single game or just having a bad day and taking it out on your teammates. In order to get **permanently banned** as you say, you need to be very consistently toxic. As in, you need to spew vitriol towards your teammates non stop for game after game after game. If a person does that then, yes, absolutely they should be permabanned.
Ognjén (EUNE)
: banned for? psy sht game
Man, I don't say this very often, but **thank fuсking god** you're banned. Normally I don't care too much about the average garden variety flamer. I just mute them, play and report after the game. But holy shit, people who sit in base while typing "im AFK", "shit team, can't carry", "just ff", "go next" and etc. are literally as bad as int feeders. I think I speak for everyone when I say you being banned makes this game a whole lot better.
Ciumegu (EUNE)
: Duuuuuuuuuuude, I am not banned, and I won't be, cause I understand how your little safe world works. But I still think your way of thinking is cringy as hell
I can't think of anything cringier than someone who thinks acting like a сunt on the internet makes him "cool" in some way.
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