It's been going on for years, slow damage creep. It's not going to stop now. Got bored of it myself, I mod games now, nerfing mostly and swapping in durability.. I find slower based gameplay far more interesting and strategical especially rts games on a grand scale that can leave you wide open for years as you traverse the map and engage in battles that can take years to complete. Curently playing a campaign that will take me over a year to complete irl if I do win (it's grimdark dificulty, (oh what's that? a crature from the warped void only has 10k hp no shielding very little output in damage and very little in armor? better 10x that add more weapons and make it a real boss) everything is deadly the most basic of basic takes 3x as much to best) I buffed everything in durability to match the damage output, Nothing fun about steamrolling power fantasies.

We get it, tanks can't deal damage and can't have the tankiest stats also the items have to be negligable because reasons

Eh', the games full of obnoxious twats, what's new.

Best way I have found to deal with people is to instantly leave end of game lobby and if anyone even starts on anyone, close the game for the day, one word and I leave. cba with the bs.

You need to tag your target with a mark. Or if your asking for optimal use? After they have blown flash will still be the best possible time to use it even after the buff, other than that... dodging burst/skills, last, as an execute. IMO.

Nuke or stun choose one

How many of those actually play enough to qualify as being good enough to play at that level?

Patch: Kaisas macro missiles now prioritize champions. Winrate over 60%

To be exact you will need hex for the burst, qss for the blind and enough life steal to outheal the dps and dot as well as enough damage to actually use that life steal. If you are missing one of those componants don't bother fighting. And if he has ignite forget about it. That's perfect play/counter play of course. My favourite thing was old Akali with cleanse toplane vs Teemo, nomnomnom, all you needed was gunblade to start the kills per minute.

I was curious about anime so checked out everything that got mentioned to me? As you do when you don't know about something, right? Just me?

fantasy vs reality, we made it reddit! xD Honestly that wasn't the point of my post it was to describe the fact I find it as weired AS boob plates. You keep saying to educate myself on real armor but do you know anything about it? the average width of a piece of plate mail? weight of full suit? 3mm and around 40lbs. It was a feat of engineering beauty, sloped and rounded to aid in glancing blows and force away from the body sturdy enough to take blows from lances and swords, almost impervious to arrows, entirely new forms of weaponry needed to be invented to combat it. It was also light enough to allow for relitively unencumbered movement. Your entire first post sounds like something you can read on an Anime Lolicon site, yes I have visited one years ago it and many other sites got removed from the internet, I was curious about Anime and what people talked about. An old quote I like is, "If masterbating to male CARTOON genitalia makes you gay, doesn't masterbating to CARTOON preeteens make a paedo?" And yes, I always complain about it, it's garbage. Always falls on fetishistic ears. You call it a dumb argument, I call it having to %%%%%% myself to enjoy sexualized garbage, I call it when I see it always have always will. But anyway, "But OP doesn't have problem with people being aroused by underage characters. He's here to cry about people who look out for fan art with her adult version." Actually if you read his post what he is saying is, "isn't it a bit strange people want an adult skin of Annie and are we sure they are for innocent reasons?" My answer is.. No and knowing people no. Should they make it? Sure why not? I wont buy it but go ahead. Will I complain about all the porn that comes from it? Damn right I will. "but it's not reeeeeeeee" "AAAAAghhh" has an aneurysm.

Yi: You wait until he uses his alpha... wait that things on a split second cd.. nvm hope someones cc lands and you kill him before he kills your entire team. Pyke: Hope you kill him before he ult resets your entire team. Hecarim: prepare your anus because he will one shot you. Yasu: have fun not doing anything.

"But OP doesn't have problem with people being aroused by underage characters." That's where the conversation was when I joined, if you don't like it not my problem. "People who argue against boob plates either have no idea how real armour should not look like or are too up in their asses to realize their own biases." Adorn a boob plate and take a blunt force hit to chest and see where your ribs end up. The design is bad and you should feel bad for even entertaining the idea of it. Humans had hundreds of years to perfect plate armor, and chief.. boob plates arent even on the spectrum, hell even flat top helmets got phased out because war picks opened them up like cans of tuna.

Let this sink in for a second, some people masterbate to preeteen anime children "it's not real" they say with their pants around thier ankles and a animated pedophilia in their hand. I for one wouldn't trust them around my kids. And to the O.P... yes... yes it's weired.. just like boob plates, nothing but death traps.

Hey, Idc I just like riling up the disgruntled. I love playing Ashe a champion everyone looks at as a free bag of gold and would tower dive into your nexus turret for it. Global taunt teemo? pfft, Ashe has that crown for a different reason. Also.. so because she is squishy she gets to aoe nuke and stun including all the above mentioned perks? Let me know if you ever make a video game, I will avoid it. Also, is it just me or have most games turned into complete garbage, can't find a single simple mmo worth a damn.

40-50% with mercs and adaptive. channeled but repositionable, I heard someone compare it to Nunu ult, idiocy, you can interupt Nunu, and he roots himself, she can flash her ult wherever she wants to make its massive radius inescapable. So, not only can she engage from stealth, she can flash her channel to make sure you take a massive nuke AND get stunned. Roit please just turn all tanks iinto bruisers and ap bruisers, everything does the mass CC job they are supposed to do better.

Not 100% true but sure, games that no longer get "cool things" like events and such, or an expantion that took 8 months tend to drop in active players. Bad direction and updates just for the sake of it kills more games imo.

WhY ArE AdC's NoT BeInG PiCkEd? Well my friend, you have taken everything that made an ADC an ADC.

Yeah well, I wouldn't hold your breath. I feel like riot is actually fazing out all micro oriented gameplay. It looks and plays like a 3 button frirst to press q wins game atm

Nobody plays tanks because they have been guttered by all the damage bumps make being tanky pointles (you last 1, 2 tops more seconds than a squishy. ADC is shit because being squishy gets you killed in .5 seconds, less in some cases because "MUH CHAMP NEEDS MOOR DMGES". What can you do?

How about all 5, because that's more than likely. ARAM accounts.

True, defeats the purpose of her enchanted AAs if you are just going to gimp her ability to orb walk.

Twitch Draven and Kog are the only 3 conventional ADC with higher base AS And Twitch is the only conventional ADC with higher level 18 AS.

Her Q attack reset got removed a long time ago, that's probably what you are feeling.

You mean these same words that have built kingdoms and started wars? Words are powerful things use them wisely and remember! most people have never touched a dictionary..

"If you remove the most broken, then the next strongest becomes the most broken." What I have found with my countless modding experiences is that balance is like a pyramid, skimming off the top automatically brings up the bottom, then you tweek the bottom. (In Stellaris for example, changing the AI of strike craft to primary missile/bomber/strike craft interceptors and bommbers, upping the damage (torpedo tier, highly inacurate but rips through cruisers) add some durability and also lower rof. Very early builds also didn't have missile retargeting so you would get ineficent overkill making missiles the worst weapon type in the game. The easy fix was to reduce fire rate but dramaticaly increase damage and give a slight bump in travel speed, it made them usable.. mix them with swarm missiles mid and late game as point defense and flack tears them to pieces. (still hate how swarm salvos look ingame, should change that to around a 0.15 delay 8 ammo regular turret.)). Corvette spam was the OP back then so I remove the point defense slot and added a pd section to the destroyer t2 ship tech., missiles can't miss but can be shot down.

It was the range buff, I am certain it was.

I have almost all the champions so I don't get things that I am adept at very often and I tend build a little troll'e so my w/l rate is pretty garbo.

Heh' your games last long enough? mines usualy won or lost at 6 minutes, didn't even know there was a barron.

Because facts say most high level players are or were male out of work bums with no comitments that get hand outs to play video games 10 hours a day. I know that sounds infamatory but face it, if I was to do anything, ANYTHING for 10 hours a day for years, well you know... it's just logic. Lets try not to make it what it isn't ok.

Holy crap that's a good one. xD

> [{quoted}](name=IntelligentName,realm=EUW,application-id=EfgkoU7I,discussion-id=039HHIIv,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-12-07T20:40:20.210+0000) > > Seriously , You play since season 2 and havn't figured it out? > This game is a wasteland of toxicity and salt It's nothing more than a cash cow. The are many issues regarding the game play experience , balance etc. > Before anyone goes full fanboy to defend the game , how about we examine rito latest decissions : > - The pass is a joke : if a player wants the prestige skin / border , they have to grind like hell for the game ( if they don;t have $ for RP) . > - Pijama guardian ??? Multi million dollar company , and their staff just recicles some skins ? > - Honor system - lets face it , you need to be a %%%%ing budist monk to not get angry at the game for you to get enough honor to get to rank 3 +. And the rewards are shit > - Capsules : hello idiots , we at riot decided to introduce gambling into the game so you get even more addicted. > These are just some examples > > My advice : quit the game , cause in retrospect , what are you really gaining when you play the game ? Stress , anger and an empty wallet Heh' stopped playing for a few months and within 2 days I am already back to cursing. PvP competition oriented games are really only good for the ego.

> [{quoted}](name=qmanschi,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=89U3v860,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-07T22:53:40.080+0000) > > No other massive company has issues like Riot does. > > Riot has issues on a daily basis. > > Only other big af company I can think of that screwed up in a game are from the MMORPG genres, such as FFXIV or ESO. However, those two games were bad in the beginning. BUT the teams worked SO HARD on the game and literally revived it. It's never been bad since. > > A path which riot is heading down towards is that of Jagex's, namely Runescape. Runescape is dead now. Why? Because the team didn't give a flying f*** about the game and tried to make as much money as possible. Never listened to the player base, and introduced a bunch of weird shit without even testing it properly, or never balancing anything. > > Riot nowadays introduces new champs that are so broken it's not even funny. Balance team is a joke, no need to explain there. Instead of focusing on existing champions and tuning them ALL for the current metas, they simply dont care. Why? well, they love to keep introducing new things into the game. There will be a point one day when there are simply too many champions to take care of. > > Introducing new things is fine imo, but not when it's literally unbalanced or doesn't make sense, and especially if older stuff seem to be simply thrown aside. > > Yes its true balancing the game between PRO aspects and the general community isn't easy, but like I said, maybe if they actually gave a shit about balancing the game and its champions/items properly or focus on existing champions and items it wouldn't be such a freakshow. > > Imagine if balance team aren't a bunch of low elos who don't understand the game and actually tested things out properly before releasing them. Actually, Jagex listened to the WRONG player base, they listened to the people that ultimately turned it from a medievil esque fantasy style social mmorpg grind into a minigame packed one shot fiesta in pvp, that failed so they gave it a new skin redesigned the combat and %%%%ed themselves so hard nobody wants to play it anymore. The life of Runescape in one paragraph because the simplest explinations are usually the correct ones. Also GOOD JOB RIOT BALANCE TEEM, how the %%%% did you miss the gunblade deaths dance double vamp burst active damage reduction combo... seriously?

Yeah, lol today is less about dueling and more about pumping as much damage out in 1-2 seconds... just sit back and poke with W and the occasional R honestly. You don't have the reposition tools or the endurance to do much else seeing as sustain was nerfed not long back. Oh, as much as people complain about tank metas, I abhore poke metas more.

That's one hell of a slope. As much as I dispise the lane wide persistant stun zone, the press w to kill a team and press r to kill anyone. 1k ap in 15 minutes little shit. You remove him and people will be begging for others even more horrid to be removed.

I thought he stopped playing a long time ago...

> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=pEfY9cGh,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-06-27T14:19:21.693+0000) > > https://gyazo.com/13d8aa62bcd51a34a065e5cb528e1b88 > > {{champion:516}}: {{item:3075}} {{item:3111}} {{item:3001}} {{item:3025}} > > Where's your {{item:3047}}? Being a tank with Abyssal Mask you really don't need mercs to survive Zoe. > > Even though Yi has a lot of True damage he still auto attacks... also there's Caitlyn.... > > > Also that was a bit more than 1 seconds. > > More like 3. Definitely an itemization issue, adaptive would have probably been the better mr choice, an as slow item like randuins, and even though it is considered bad, frozen heart would have been solid (that item needs to be looked into), then play for the team fights as the comp looks so strong for it. Also have Zed split as fed as he is.

"new game for a new generation" as EA would say? I do find it funny how fast Scuttle dies to any form of cc, deep warding and picking up half a kill in gold as a support is hilarious. There are a few ALT F4 objectives if behind. I have not logged in really since the patch (retroing C&C 3 modded) but it was still fun. I hear it's pretty chaotic atm, hasn't really changed imo, alterante botlane combo's were always a thing, people just don't have handcuffs on what they want to try with threats of reports bans and passive aggressive verbal. AP Shyvanna support ftw.

> [{quoted}](name=The Lane Police,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=tErGwRNH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-13T23:43:16.602+0000) > > https://www.twitch.tv/loltyler1 > > I'm watching him right now. Seems to me that there are 2 heal supports and 2 crit ADCs on the botlane, in relatively high-ELO. > I wonder what's happening ... adc meta sure looks dead :( well. Time to move on I guess.. > > {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} Draven was always going to be in a good spot because of his ability to build without reliance on crit, BT first item was pretty much core outside of volitile IE 1 item RNG cheese, from what I know. Early game lane bully into late game nightmare is his thing.

Eh, doesn't bother me, when I play Sona the shield only lasts 1.5 seconds anyway so my shield when its needed or required playstyle wont change. Actually think this will be a good solid nerf.

> [{quoted}](name=makelja23,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Y2Xpeuvo,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-13T09:21:12.270+0000) > > or akali q r e q r w to go away? Akali falls off fast late game, the biggest problem I think people have with her is the drain tank status she gains through gunblade but that's more of an item thing than kit, I don't know what they could do to make her late stronger whilst removing the passive on gunblade and not making her a completely broken 1v5 champion, maybe the rework will solve these problems and make her less reliant on drain tanking, because lets face it, outside of her shroud her engage is very telegraphed o ----------> l o <- and she has to blow 2 of her dashes to get ontop of you if your playing from a distance, all 3 if you flash, she capitalizes on people out of possition as well as cleanup when all cc is blown. At least in my experience. More adept players my call my observations bs. Now that I think about it they could try dropping her dashes down to two max at rank one, just for the fact that both players have flash but that may just destroy her early completely I don't know but whenever I see an early kill its more often than not done with 2.

> [{quoted}](name=Baitkin,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Y2Xpeuvo,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-13T09:23:26.044+0000) > > This is one of the single handily most bronze statements I have ever read on these boards. Zed has lots of ways to counter him, otherwise he would be broken. The only reason low elo players consider him broken is because they don&#x27;t understand him. I understand him all too well, his ult places him behind the champion leaving him vunerable as he stacks the damage for his ult, his ult has a sizable delay alowing you to get into range for a shield/heal or both, (<insert qss nerf> needed imo) and he can teleport beteween his shadows to escape and reposition, the biggest problem I have when facing one is that on occassion if slightly ahead his basic abilities can put out so much damage the function of his ult may as well be changed to a basic gap closer, but that's just me moaning.

Woah, currently litening to the champoin interactions, and I have to say, you can really feel the anger and frustration in his voice and lines, pretty intense, I like his sarcasm lines too. props to the va. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}

Nah', I am clumsy as f though so I am always knocking cups, mobile phones ect off the desk and shattering them, anger from a video game? can't say I have even thrown a controller... I do get a little frustrated at times though.

A reduscion in the price of zeal items may help the scailing of crit adc' I know it was increased due to the 2 item power spike, but the price increase may have been too much, knocking off 100 gold would be a good start, I actually proposed to cd nerf on IE because it was too random, mainly because of draven early 2 shot rushes were to rng to my tase making a verry volitile lane phase and were hard to even play around and the fact it was pushing out mages from the burst roll add the fact that Yasuo was gaining 100% cr making him a late game hyper carry at 2 items, combing both nerfs feels like too much of a nerf to the viability of the class, just my 2 cents on the situation. Sorry guys. edit: I just wanted the class to scail nateraly withouth the hyper rng burst eliment, but it seems it was taken a little too far. Sorry for the spelling, i'm a little drunk fyi lol.

The biggest weakness I have found in all my mmo playing days has always been sustained damage physical and magical (depending on the game magical damage can be overwealmingly effective but in recent years that has become the minority, elemental resistance passive ect.) My go-to builds have always incorperated defensive damage mitigation over hp in tearms of stats, reflect damage skills, agro control, damage mitigation party before self damage mitigation, crowed control, and lastly debuff skills, everything else is not on the radar. Bruilding a true tank like this really shows the effectivness against each class, you can survive burst damage from nuke mages, assassins arctypes actually kill themselves during there combo attacks on you, berserker types are always a skill matchup, clerics are nigh unkillable and ranged dps although squishy can and will demolish you will little effort unless you outplay them hard. ( you have plenty of time to outplay but finding an opening is hard against a skilled player.) Ofc that's all solo arena play. Guild fights play differently much like LOL your focus is on locking up damage dealers so your own can deal the damage, much like a tank support. LoL pretty much has that, lots of archtypes within archtypes burst dps, burst tank, dps tank, dps burst, zone control that renders part of the fight area unusable ect, but you could do those builds in mmo's too. All in all I think Riot has done an excilent job in keeping the game fresh and competitive with options, yeah there are a few outliers that may be a little too strong or don't really fit the archtype pure build or offbuild and I look forward to seeing what and how they will be adjusted champion or item. One thing has me worried though, I just hope tanks dont get hit too hard, I don't mind late game damage being nerfed for them just don't hit the endurance stat too hard, I feel more ways to distupt/debilitate champions will be needed to make up for it would need to be added if they can't tank so they can tank. And we all know how people feel about tanks being tanky goes. Tanks = High Endurance, Low Damage, Medium/high Crowd Control, usually has a big engage tool. Fighters = Medium/high'ish Damage, Medium Endurance, Low'ish Crowd Control, usually has a solid gap closer. Juggernauts = Medium Endurance, High Damage, Low Crowed Control, Tends to not be too effective at closing gaps or creating effective engages. (I would honestly class Mundo as a juggernaut at this point, if he isn't already? just because of how his kit fits the archtype) Gnar's kind of funny I don't know how to classify him. 50% fighter 50% tank I guess. Ofc that's all before items get added and that can drasticly change the playstyle, but not the defining strength and if built towards that strength they can become quite formidable titan walls.

> [{quoted}](name=True M0rtal ,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=gRdPabNE,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-09T18:29:54.611+0000) > > I think you&#x27;re playing dota or heroes of the storm or some other game cause you clearly have no idea of the game :D just for a scenario, we had a camille top against a nautilus top, camille had conqueror, once naut had a sunfire cape, bramblevest and ninja tabi camille did literally no dmg to him in a 1v1 fight, and and they were even with stats, none of them were fed or behind, and nautilus just outdmg-ed him, I at this point was a 4/1 kaise and didnt deal dmg to the nautilus and i had rageblade and nashors tooth Was she outdamaged through endurance?, as in a long combat time, Nautilus is good in that scenario, it's one of his defining strengths, he can last, and that's where tanks are supposed to shine as well as enduring burst damage.

That's how most people use them, it's the same as not ending the game when you have clearly won, people like to gloat and rub shit peoples faces. Mabey I am just angry, but that's the impression I get.

'Anyone an opinion or a raise of eyebrows because of this?' Not really, saw it comming.