JenShen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Torpedosheep,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=QW6buWKy,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2018-04-30T07:28:42.045+0000) > > Do you seriously not see why telling your enemy "_you are bad_" is not cool? > > What would even be the motivation to do this? > There is **absolutely no reason** to say this to your enemy unless you want to belittle them. > If you want to belittle people, then you're very clearly jerk. Sorry, i really cannot see a problem, when there is no any... Why everyone is looking for non existing problems..... My motivation would be , that i want to win the game and if i can get under the thin skinned enemy i would probably do it, "all is fair in love in war", and the game is about war, you want to kill the enemy and destroy their cristal( to conquer their base) , if you are too brittle for that , do not go on a war. We are not placed in picnic simulator to try and show love to anyone, we are there to kill and win, because this is what the game is for, and if it is too harsh for you, candy crash is pretty nice game too, there everything is lovable and sweet, and you will only hear how amazing and awesome your combos are.
The chat isn't an item. It isn't an in-game ability or a champion. It isn't a mechanic of the game; there's no argument for using toxicity as a means to win the game because the chat isn't a tool for that.
Murderius (EUW)
: Trust me Ive been frustrated.. but i care for the game thats the difference.
I confronted him in the post-game lobby. I didn't stop playing, I was able to punish mistakes and get a few 1v1 kills. I didn't, like, intentionally feed. I found it toxic regardless of how it impacted me in the game.
Shukr4n (EUW)
: i used another verb. but if u usually spend your time hugry -> eat need to pee -> peeing need to %%%% -> %%%% well, no need to further spend each own time.
Shukr4n (EUW)
: animals uses instinct. humans uses brain.
That's, like, factually incorrect. Humans have instincts. I'm not sure how you could try to deny that. In the same vein, animals have brains. Basic emotions aren't a product of 3 minutes of deep thought where you suddenly decide "I'm going to be happy"
JenShen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=KumaTibbers,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=QW6buWKy,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-04-29T20:21:47.557+0000) > > That's a moot point because words obviously have different meanings depending on context. > > And the whole "it's true" argument boggles my mind. It's the same thing as arguing that calling someone a "gay %%%got" is acceptable because "it's true", or that calling someone a "%%%%%%" isn't racist because "it's true". Nobody asked you to tell them "the truth", especially when they very obvious know "the truth", so doing so with the intention of being inflammatory is toxic. Well if you call a gay gay.. i am not sure it is offensice or something, i do not now the racist word you place there but if it is the N word it is slang( and yeah in some countries the N word is not that big of taboo, and still could be offensive, but gay.. come on,, and f&ggot is kind of slang too so it is not really "the truth". And if you have problem about waht is true and what is not .... why would you blame others for pointing that..... You play bad, insted of blaming how toxic others are, maybe put some pants and play the game, if you do not want any other opinion then yours, dont play games where people like to tell them their opinions. Just throw the chat off your screen and live your happy life without other opinions, but yours. And If i want to tell the truth even if it is soooo obvious, i should be able to tell it, because i can and i will, if you are too B&tthurt about anything not really my problem, dont you think??? So you are annoyed by your mistakes and you blame everything and anyone for that, yeah seems about right.
You're making some pretty herculean leaps in logic, bud. I'm not blaming anyone for my mistakes. The whole point is that I'm aware I made mistakes; I don't need you to tell me. And the issue isn't that it's obvious, or that you shouldn't Tel the truth because people know it. You're misunderstanding. The point is, if it's so obvious that I'm aware I missed up, then when you say "lol you suck" you're obviously not doing it for the sake of "telling the truth". You don't care that it's the truth, otherwise you'd be satisfied with just keeping it to yourself. Therefore, the only conclusion is that your intention is to insult me; you don't want to tell the truth, you want to make me feel bad. Which is, by definition, toxic. That's the difference between calling someone toxic for saying "gg". In the first place, that's a general statement that isn't directed at me, and it's almost impossible that it's intended to be insulting. That aside, you sound super toxic. It really seems like you're reaching for excuses when you honestly just get off on putting others down. I suggest you make some reforms and grow up a little.
JenShen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Rismosch,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=QW6buWKy,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-04-29T20:27:23.747+0000) > > You don't need the chat. Period. If /all-chat is disabled, the enemy cannot taunt you, nor can you taunt the enemy, which is a positive contribute to the community! No, it is not positive %%%%ribute in any way, because when they taunt you they want to get in your mind and make you do more mistakes, things like that can teach you to preform better under stress and pressure, people need to ignore things like tauting not with the mute but with their brains. People cry about anything, we cannot live in some utopia that everything is unicorn rainbow farts or something, learn do play under pressure and dont let the enemy get in your head. Learning to deal with stuff like that in games may help you do better in that kind of situations in Real life, so this is what positive contribute to the community should be..... Not ignoring all the things that get on our nervs
A lot of this "the world isn't a happy place" sounds like an awful excuse to cover up how people don't want to change that they're assholes. I'm 90% sure you'd be happier if you were a bit nicer to people.
Rismosch (EUW)
: Yes, you are too sensitive. But so am I. Do what I do: Disable /all-Chat. {{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
~~But I'm too curious about what everyone is saying~~
JenShen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=KumaTibbers,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=QW6buWKy,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-04-29T18:38:52.023+0000) > > Here's the thing; I think that's toxic. I said as much. Because I already know I played poorly. I'm already beating myself up about it and whatnot. The issue is that the player deliberately chose to rub my mistakes in my face for the purpose of degradinge and making me feel worse. > > But when confronted, he just claimed it was banter, and I was too sensitive. But is that true? It's not like we know each other; random strangers don't "banter" with each other, and if his intention to was to insult me, isn't that toxic? > It is not toxic, you are failing you feels bad and this guys tell you that you are bad- fact- why would that be toxic.... only because you are annoyed by your plays and everything become toxic. Will the same situation be toxic, if you are stomping the enemy team and having the game of your life and this guy come and tell you you are bad( while he is 0-15), you will probably laugh, but now, because you feel bad from your mistakes, the whole world become a swear and everything is deatly toxic. No this is not toxic. If this bothers you so much.... prove him wrong, simple as that, or dont prove him wrong and say it is a fact so again this is not toxic.
That's a moot point because words obviously have different meanings depending on context. And the whole "it's true" argument boggles my mind. It's the same thing as arguing that calling someone a "gay %%%got" is acceptable because "it's true", or that calling someone a "%%%%%%" isn't racist because "it's true". Nobody asked you to tell them "the truth", especially when they very obvious know "the truth", so doing so with the intention of being inflammatory is toxic.
Quinzley (EUNE)
: Offence can never be given, only taken. In other words, before you can offend me, I have to allow you to do so. It's understandable that many people don't realise this - given a strong emotional reaction to a subject, I may instantly feel offended by something someone said. I make no conscious decision, and the only action I perceive is the original statement - it looks like simple cause and effect. However, the important word is perceive - sure, it looks to me as if my offence was a direct effect of the statement, but that's not actually true. Offend me. No, really - go on...I won't even care. Obviously, some statements are made with the deliberate intent to offend you. It's understandable (though not admirable) that in these situations it's hard to overrule that emotional reaction - when someone tries to insult you, it's hard not to be offended. Can we as a society stop thinking of "offendedness" as a blameless condition, and start thinking of it as a lack of self-control? Can we stop advocating banning "offensive" things, and instead strive to fix the flaws within ourselves that mean they bother us so much? Or here's the full thing.
You're basically asking people to repress an instinctual, emotional reaction as opposed to asking people to keep their toxic opinions to themselves. Why do I have to fix the "flaw" in myself of getting offended when someone is trying to offend me? I'd say that going out of your way to actually try and hurt someone - and that's an important distinction, since the comment was aimed at me with the intention of hurting me, I didn't just "take offence to something said in all chat - is a much worse sign of a lack of self control, and an actual "flaw" that should be fixed.
Quinzley (EUNE)
: You're just over sensitive. What he says could be true. Use it as motivation to improve.
My point is that it being "true" isn't important. I don't need someone to tell me I'm bad when I very clearly made a mistake. And it isn't like he even told me what I did wrong; he basically just pointed and laughed. So if his only intention is to make me feel bad, surely that could be considered toxic.
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