JenShen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Torpedosheep,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=QW6buWKy,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2018-04-30T07:28:42.045+0000) > > Do you seriously not see why telling your enemy "_you are bad_" is not cool? > > What would even be the motivation to do this? > There is **absolutely no reason** to say this to your enemy unless you want to belittle them. > If you want to belittle people, then you're very clearly jerk. Sorry, i really cannot see a problem, when there is no any... Why everyone is looking for non existing problems..... My motivation would be , that i want to win the game and if i can get under the thin skinned enemy i would probably do it, "all is fair in love in war", and the game is about war, you want to kill the enemy and destroy their cristal( to conquer their base) , if you are too brittle for that , do not go on a war. We are not placed in picnic simulator to try and show love to anyone, we are there to kill and win, because this is what the game is for, and if it is too harsh for you, candy crash is pretty nice game too, there everything is lovable and sweet, and you will only hear how amazing and awesome your combos are.
Hahahaha unicorn rainbow community dislike your comments all the way around. your just wasting your time this is a %%%%% ass game made for pussies with %%%%% rules they will cry and find everything is toxic because they are just too bad , league became so bad because all the good players(toxic) banned or left the game only trash unicorn rainbow players left here , you won't feel so welcome for saying such true things .earth is heaven there is no killing no wars no crimes no hate nothing at all only a wonderful world when trees are candies rivers are chocolate {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-rainbows}}
Rwobba (EUW)
: 95 % of players are whiny %%%%, if they dont like the truth, they will ban you. These %%%% bring revenue to the company, thats easy.
Hahahaha so true. well let them have this game together those braindead %%%%% players unicorn rainbow community league became so good so competitive just wait until you see the level of world champions you all will be surprised . they are keeping banning good players who get triggered for the sake of pussies and money and broke the game for the sake of competitive forgetting that solo Q level is the base of the game over all. no wonder league is dying only trash left with trolls ofc
: > best players of league are toxic if they r not in chat they r on their own streams Kind of a generalization, and even _if_ they are toxic on stream, it's certainly not the same. For some, raging and flaming in streams is a majority of their content. Some people enjoy watching it, that's pretty different from actual ingame flaming. But even if pros seemingly talk shit, you have to keep in mind that in many cases, they actually know the people they're addressing. There's obviously more tolerance within the community of pros/streamers than strangers. That's why you can make jokes with your friends you can't make with anyone else. ---- > it's normal you can trash talk them I'm not sure if you know what trash talking means, because it's certainly not what flamers do when they talk to people who "ruin their game". Trash talking goes in line with competitive banter. People (often somewhat sarcastically) disrespect their opponents, in rare cases their teammates. But once again, who you're talking to matters a lot! ---- > all it takes it's just one word like "stupid" get you 14 days ban then perma-ban . That's simply false. You do not get banned that easily. Instant 14-day and permabans are only given for extremely toxic behavior like racism, homophobia, sexism etc. If all you do is call people "stupid", you will get chat restrictions after **frequent** display of toxic behavior. --- >for me it's allowed to trash-talk them and say how bad they are including me i can't be so good at all games when i'm bad i truly deserve trash talking This mindset is flawed due to the fundamental attribution bias. The threshold of "bad teammates" is much lower than the one for your own performance. Ever wondered why your teammates are always worse players than you? Fundamental attribution bias makes up a large part of why you think so. ----- > they just don't give a %%%% because they know you cant trash-talk them They also won't play better if you "trash talk" them.
No i'm strongly not supporting racism , homophobia , sexism . and you're right koreans are more disciplined than any other western countries and have better life even with the rates of suicide because if you base on that you should tell who's top of most rates in the world : danemark is the first country but can you imagine that their citizens are most happy ones on earth ? but still with the most higher rate of suicides so we good on this point , the other point how could you deny that usa and western countries have the most high rates of bullying and cursing and stuff in schools ? idk how you came with all these things about korea when forgetting that western countries are pretty much way worse than korea. and for the last thing we all agree that korea most toxic server and beside that most skilled server right ? do you know pro like froggen bootcamp in korea like 1 month and he did achieve top 5 korea challengers ? so it's not about skills or ping or idk whatever . this show how is toxicity help in a way to make games more competitive and way more hot rather than being afraid to say one word that will get you banned for 14 days or perma. i'm not suggesting to let toxicity going around it's bad i know but what i'm really asking is found out more creative solutions to this matter rather than discriminate most talented players of the game and let out those people who plays 1 game in a week and int and troll. euw and na pros teams are so badly compared to asian's teams and i strongly believe it's all because of the difference between solo queue levels. the game is already dying those who's rito protecting leaves with a way or another because they can't be good at a game that requires a lot of skills due to the high mechanics game-play . to conclude what i want to see it's remove that unfair banning system and find something more creative like loot system and mute buttons and stuff. and thank you for all your time definitively your a good rioter {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
JenShen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=LVinCi,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=MYpEXwWq,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-04-19T02:27:35.557+0000) > > Hahaha i really love this community > how people are so %%%%ing soft like this ? > they all see your negative attitude while you had jungle ziggs and afk adc but where is the toxicity here ? i didn't see a 1 bad word like verbal abuse or racism or something.. How can you not see the bad words, everything is concidered bad words these days, the game is for ex 40-3 for the enemy team and you want to ff, well you are toxic for not wanting to play this fair match, you see a trol and want to expose him... you are toxic, you, you want to argue about something you think the x player is wrong and want to tell him your oppinion- you are the flaming and toxic, you have few trolls and want to lose your game, well you have the right to remain silant or else. i dont know how people cant see taht trolls actually abuse the reprot system in their favour. I really am starting to believe that this community rather play with trolls and feeders than someone that take competative, kind of serious and had enough of people ruining the game.
you got my point i don't understand anymore how people become so %%%%ing soft and naif ,everything is toxic and flame are we living in heaven or something ? are those people living in the moon or somewhere else ? the dude exposed how he did felt because he got trolled so badly and he didn't say anything abusive it was just all bad feelings but you know what ? he got banned because he can't type in chat whatever is called toxic and flame shit things.. this game is more like unicorns and rainbow of legends . good job rito you made a great game into a joke because of bad management and recruiting psycho's to handle things out , i bet most of who's working in this company are really mentally ill when you see the head of teams cheats on his wife with 3 other girls as a guy who's having Phd myass neuroshit and behavior master of psycho's sure things will be great for this game {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Huma136 (EUW)
: 14 day suspension for getting annoyed at AFK teammates
Hahaha i really love this community how people are so %%%%ing soft like this ? they all see your negative attitude while you had jungle ziggs and afk adc but where is the toxicity here ? i didn't see a 1 bad word like verbal abuse or racism or something , he didn't even insult anybody for destroying the game hello is this some wonder-world community when pink is everywhere and candies and stuff what the actual %%%% with these people and huma if you want an advice try something else than this game and wait until your account get released and do what this community really loves to see : troll and int and afk and be a "good boy" you will be appreciated by this rainbow unicorn's player base {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-rainbows}} and you did nothing you were just depressed by some ass-wholes and trying to relief yourself it was all natural reactions to feeling bad
: > best players of league are toxic if they r not in chat they r on their own streams Kind of a generalization, and even _if_ they are toxic on stream, it's certainly not the same. For some, raging and flaming in streams is a majority of their content. Some people enjoy watching it, that's pretty different from actual ingame flaming. But even if pros seemingly talk shit, you have to keep in mind that in many cases, they actually know the people they're addressing. There's obviously more tolerance within the community of pros/streamers than strangers. That's why you can make jokes with your friends you can't make with anyone else. ---- > it's normal you can trash talk them I'm not sure if you know what trash talking means, because it's certainly not what flamers do when they talk to people who "ruin their game". Trash talking goes in line with competitive banter. People (often somewhat sarcastically) disrespect their opponents, in rare cases their teammates. But once again, who you're talking to matters a lot! ---- > all it takes it's just one word like "stupid" get you 14 days ban then perma-ban . That's simply false. You do not get banned that easily. Instant 14-day and permabans are only given for extremely toxic behavior like racism, homophobia, sexism etc. If all you do is call people "stupid", you will get chat restrictions after **frequent** display of toxic behavior. --- >for me it's allowed to trash-talk them and say how bad they are including me i can't be so good at all games when i'm bad i truly deserve trash talking This mindset is flawed due to the fundamental attribution bias. The threshold of "bad teammates" is much lower than the one for your own performance. Ever wondered why your teammates are always worse players than you? Fundamental attribution bias makes up a large part of why you think so. ----- > they just don't give a %%%% because they know you cant trash-talk them They also won't play better if you "trash talk" them.
the main idea here it have to be some changes how system of bans works and the general idea about toxicity especially the permaban action , i think some creative ideas really helped with decreasing toxicity in games like the loot system , the new pings ...etc why not make region's like korea ? when they flame people for 1 mistake or 2 with some shit like "your mom boom" and a lot of funny stuff but they don't have this aggressive waves of bans like eu and na servers for 1 word in 1 game can lead to 14 days ban or perma ban and we all knows how korea is far better than any other place at the game. so how can you not explain that toxicity it's a part of competitive game-play ? cowsep did put light on this matter now all his accounts got banned for 1 month "account sharing" xD is this how riot company works ?
: > isn't removing toxicity with the way system does will kill competitive game-play ? Toxicity is not benefitial for competitive gameplay. Toxicity is surely fueled by it, but you can definitely have competitive games without players who are unsportsmanlike. Not being able to flame doesn't stop anyone from being competitive. Of course people who int and troll are worse for the individual game, but that doesn't mean toxicity isn't harmful. [When players experience persistent abuse or toxic behavior in a game, they are on average 320% more likely to leave that game and never come back](http://www.the-vital-edge.com/artificial-intelligence-behavior/#_=_). Toxicity costs Riot real money! Taking action against it is definitely a smart decision.
well , best players of league are toxic if they r not in chat they r on their own streams . it's a part of being good at something when others just destroy your efforts in the game it's normal you can trash talk them , i mean not all of kind of toxicity i agree with , racism or phobia or something else shouldn't be tolerated but just take a look in this case and many thousands like it when a player get banned because he looses his cool for 1 game or 2 games , all it takes it's just one word like "stupid" get you 14 days ban then perma-ban . people are not all the same when your better than the others and just getting pain the ass because others can't even be help full well for me it's allowed to trash-talk them and say how bad they are including me i can't be so good at all games when i'm bad i truly deserve trash talking if someone get beyond that i just mute and accept it because i feel like i'm being a big rock on the back of my team but it doesn't i don't try there is plenty ways of how you can contribute to the win but most players today they just don't give a %%%% because they know you cant trash-talk them to try to play better and also there is no punishment or something will deny them from being ass-wholes . so this how league works now if you're so good and trying to grind for the glory people will just get in your way and this is what happening in each elo , low or high or whatever because the game now is only for lcs competitions , there is no such thing as hyper carry anymore this is one of the ways that making people toxic because you rely a lot on each one of them without forgetting that tank/adc meta never left the game for several years.....
: "Discriminate"? Banning toxic players has nothing to do with discrimination. They have no right to play this game. People who disrespect the rules simply can't play. I'll have to bring another real-life example into this:The government is treating law abiding citizens differently than law breaking ones. They arrest the ones who break the rules. Is that discrimination? What makes you think the current PB systems don't work "at all?" Harassment and toxicity and reports have consistently decrease over the years. Satisfied customers are what makes money, why would Riot intentionally keep people unhappy. They would lose money.
This has nothing to do with real life it's just a game . but let me simply the idea i want you to understand because i know it won't change anything . i'm with the thoughts that every player should be respected and stuff but isn't removing toxicity with the way system does will kill competitive game-play ? i mean all these years i see no enjoy playing league and new incomers as well , because nobody gives a %%%% anymore , people just go straight inting and trolling that's how they have fun in the game while toxic players at least they play to win i would any-day anytime having a full toxic players in my team rather than troll inting ones because i can and everybody can only mute and enjoy winning it's thousand time better than getting %%%%ed in the ass while try harding to win the game . that's in my opinion what really killing the game and making people quit because nobody enjoys a broken ass game with zero competitive and game-play , toxicity at least keep the challenge to grind and win games. doesn't have to be a %%%%% game every online platform have a big amount of toxic players it's just a part of it which mean while kicking people from the game won't resolve the money thing it will just make things worse and this is what happening these few years... Ps : toxic players are also customers
heywtf567 (EUW)
: people get banned for verbal abuse while people who intentionally feed or troll in game on purpose to lose get to keep playing the game , there is no game in this world where people are not toxic in game and dont talk shit , but thanks to riot's great system, they pay more attention to toxicity instead of players who purposely troll or feed in game .Probably one of the reason this game is dying because riot does not know how to fix their shit
Give this man a medal at least there are still people who really understand how things works in league{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: Nobody's saying League and real life are exactly the same, but there are many analogies you can use to make a point. People often act like jerks and try to justify it, but if you translate the whole scenario into a real-life situation it becomes apparent how inappropriate their behavior was. The behavioral standards for online and real-life behavior don't have to differ.
i think it is true to say inappropriate but it's appropriate to discriminate a part of community for another one , is that in your opinion fair ? and people have to stop being soft , this game is intense when you attack on titans like you guys doing to toxic players it's just makes the game less competitive and boring especially with unbalanced game-play and boring meta's . it should have been better to find out more creative ways to control toxicity in the game like the loot system , its actually working well but you guys just jerking off there making riot lyte legacy as something that's actually working when it's not at all . just make a comparison between korea server and the others the level is too high and toxicity as well. league year after year becoming a lego game when it doesn't deserve such an ignorance to a great game . and your right real life talk isn't like chat game talk so take it easy and make more efforts on other stuffs rather than click ban .{{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: I understand that you're frustrated about it, but the system being the way it is _does_ make a lot of sense. Flaming is never ever going to be helpful, it gives trolls what they want, and bothers everyone else. Two wrongs don't make a right, so just because others did worse things, or broke the rules first, doens't mean it's okay to do so too. I guess that can be considered unfair, but there are plently of real-life situations where people get away with stuff you can't. ---- Everyone has a reason to flame but letting them off the hook because of it isn't helpful at all.
oh please , real life is beyond how league system is , it is like comparing Germany now and 1940 Germany ....{{sticker:zombie-nunu-bummed}}
Kekyi (EUNE)
: Punishment Levels Suggestion
i'm afraid to tell you're going to loose your account trust me , they just don't care if your having a bad day or good player or spent a lot of time/money on the game only what matters is keeping business up and already forgetting about that everybody are a part of it .i will just tell you to sell your account so you went loose everything for the winds and create new one maybe or quit for better life {{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}}
Hansiman (EUNE)
: That's already how it works. If you show good behaviour for an extended period of time while actively playing: you drop down a tier on the penalty ladder.
i'm afraid that's not true . i got permanent banned after 5 months of being reformed , the first ban was like this case 14 days ban for 1 game , second ban well that was a fast perma ban . i think riot players just love to click ban but you know what ? it doesn't matter league is dead game anyways nobody loves to play this stress-full game when there is no competitive and no game-play {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Mugurele (EUNE)
: {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} You are right, thank you for your thoughts, yesterday night I just realised it’s a lost cause.
Just forget about this game , many tried before but rito never listen to anybody or to anything they just make what they want all for the baby $ but the game is already destroyed so it doesn't matter anyways many friends quit league and i mean by many is maaaanyyyy just like that because they had enough with riot games and the game itself . now most of them are happy and getting a good life :D {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
Mugurele (EUNE)
: A new approach to the toxic players
I really understand and feel you man. just think about quitting the game because that's what they intend to do with toxic players they don't care about "getting reformed" only about money , try new other games or create new account but do not spend a lot of time do whatever most community does play games troll and int without carrying about winning or burning your head and as an advice for me try to get out of this game it will just hurt you and your health will be an issue , i'm pretty sure that this game will make or already do make people sick .real life matters anyways goodluck anywhere else because riot does whatever they like and the game is already dying nobody like it anymore {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Mugurele (EUNE)
: What does your point have to do with the topic? Have you told me one good idea since you started arguing my opinions? No. That’s because you have no good points at all, you only have negative attitude.
Why the earth is round ? why the space is dark ? why the sun is stand still ? i love these types of people , because they are making the world better place of course{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
Mugurele (EUNE)
: This is the problem I’ve been talking about in my posts, human emotions are more complex then a set of impossible rulles to obey. Thinking that you will have another chance before you will get any suspension which could come anytime is wrong. And this problem can be solved by chat ban and a lot more open minded punishments other then banning someone who will get so angry they’ll destroy everything anyway. RIOT hasn’t got this big idea about how hard managing players is, which led to those rules in the first place. But there is always space to improve. In a near future these things will be solved because, and I hope I’m not wrong, RIOT listen to people, and always improve the game, making it more perfect and addictive. Sooner or later they should assume some responsability.
Stop dreaming bro xD they do whatever they want , they set their rules whatever we like it or not they made money they made the big data base players but no worries everything will end soon this whole company will be just a history name {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}

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