MacDeath (EUW)
: >The new runes, totally unbalanced, nothing makes much sense. >You could've at least make them similar to the old ones ? Maybe ? >I miss the old masteries, my whole play style was based on them If change is what bothers you so much then you might consider not playing preseason? Many people including me "dislike" change. The funny thing is over 80% of them forget about everything after they played a few months. It's just that moment where you have to get out of your comfort zone and adapt to a whole new environment, beeing reset to the same starting point as a few players that are less experienced in the old system than you, which makes things maybe somehow awkward and quite unsatisfying for you. Show me one thread in the past 4 months of someone complaining about plants. Or any other preseason. Instead I'll promise you no one will cry like you about this change in 8 months either. Maybe some "bring back old league", but that's mostly meant for the first beta version and just for nostalgia instead of disliking specific changes. In conclusion; You're frustration is very normal, but unfortunatley it's very likely that it'll show inconsistency in time and just be temporary therefore pretty much insignificant. ----- If I may still have your attention I'd like to add that I've played since end of season 3 and I don't comply with the following statement: >It feels like a big joke that only new players could possibly swallow it . >Speaking of new players, they have all the runes from level 1, that's even more insulting for the ones that worked so hard to buy them and level up. I got 60.000 BE back from Runes (on my main). I feel well rewarded, because now I have what everybody has (runes) _and_ I'm rich. So much for that.
I did mention that I have no expectations. If everyone would go radio silence, there would be no feedback. >I got 60.000 BE back from Runes (on my main). I feel well rewarded, because now I have what everybody has (runes) and I'm rich. So much for that. Define rich. I got 83k so I can feel better about the lost runes. I don't, I can give them the BE anytime for the old runes but guess I can't. Point is that these "rewards" don't make me feel better as intended because it's a stupid reward for someone that played 5 years. I might lack any modesty but it's true, I feel like Riot just gave us some shitty BE in order to be like, here take something and shut up. I don't feel rewarded, I feel scammed.
: I hope old system will come back!
Yeah, no chance for that.
jacktjong (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=MRduL,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=oguqGIQo,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-11-10T18:13:12.366+0000) > With that mentality, what's the point of the ranking system, let's all be equal and live in peace while we play for fun cause Jesus loves us all. Yes, we play for **fun** while you cry because there's more **competition** It's a freaking GAME, and grinding doesn't even fit in with the mentality of a MOBA, where 2 teams both start with nothing and fight to get stuff so they can fight better and destroy the enemy's base. And the new runes might be a bit strong, but they're EXTREMELY FUN! I've had more fun with flinging comets to people's heads and running around the map with mobi's + predator than I've had in a while. League of Legends is a game mostly ment for casual players, and then you have the wanna be e-sports players like you that hate it when the game becomes too quircky. And I'll tell you what, Riot probably profits about as much from competitives as from casuals, so they're not gonna go way overboard with either sides! Also, the new runes might be more accesable now, but: 1. They also bring way more new tactics than the old runes & masteries because they have bigger effects, making them both fun and strategical for competitives and casuals alike. 2. If you really relied on your advantage with better runes because you spent too much time not having fun while others had, you might wanna try and actually play better instead of trying to get an instant advantage over the other player. I never really used the old runes, but if I still can beat a Zed with full runes as a Lux without em, the runes really weren't that big a deal, and you're just being pissed that you need to get used to a new system where you can't just pick which stats you like and boom, you have a good page.
You sound like someone who didn't play much. > If you really relied on your advantage with better runes because you spent too much time not having fun while others had, you might wanna try and actually play better instead of trying to get an instant advantage over the other player. The legend, the God himself, killing people without the need of mastery or runes. Dude come on, cut the bullshit. Masteries and runes had an important role in the play style of any player above bronze league. >I never really used the old runes Oh Why didn't you start with that so I don't have to waste my keyboard.
: The whole point of reworking the rune system was to actually give the same chance to everyone in the game. If you wanted champions and runes, best you could have were tier2s (but even those because they became 1 IP), now at least nobody can say "I can't play X role because I don't have runes". ~~The problem is now you can't buy specific champions with BE. You could make a pretty solid champion pool buying every 450-1350 IP champion which you could do by the time you reached level 30 but now it's pretty much impossible. If you want to level an account with at least 3 champions for every role you'd need like 25-30 mystery purchases since you could just get 6 supports in a row while you're trying to main jungle/top. This actually pretty much made league pay2play for new players and I really hope Riot will revert it, OR at least make an option for buying a mystery champion of a chosen tier for 450, 1350 etc BE.~~
Yeah that's another problem, thanks for pointing that out.
xMisuto (EUW)
: what does ranked have to do with it? you play to win and put lots of time to rise on the ladder there is your 5year work NOT IN THE RUNES .... lol PS: wouldn't all live in peace be great?! ppl like you make the world burn try to look at the good side not the bad and try look better cuz you obvi just had some bad games cuz you arent used to the changes yet thats my advice to you :) peace
Yeah and one day, after climbing that ladder, Riot comes and makes everyone the same rank. Will you be affected in anyway ? Will you be happy cause some new players got the rank that you played years for ? I wouldn't. Same thing about the work I put into learning this game with the old system and buying runes.
strut (EUNE)
: Why would they have to grind just like you? Because you feel like it is justified? Because you feel left out? It's a game, not human rights. Right? Being an ignorant asshole is not a valid argument for anything my friend
Well at least I don't feel the need to insult your judgement so I got that going for me, my friend.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
>It's not like you didn't have to play almost the same amount of matches to buy a champion even in the old system... I don't know about you but if I needed 10 more IP, I would've just play a match with bots. >You might not care personally, but Riot, and other players, do. Indeed, that's why I said that not everyone shares my opinion.
strut (EUNE)
: If they could have a system that works better why should they be stripped from it? Imagine parents saying: "Yeah our kid yould have a cell phone and that would make communication much easier but we won't let him have it because we didn't have it as kids." Where is the logic in this kind of thinking? Where did i say i don't give a shit about what we did? It was just as important as the current system will be for the next system that follows. It's how develpoment works. All systems have it's flaws that the next could learn from and that's why all systems are equally important. Denying a better system from others out of envy or simply being obnoxiously butthurt goes against any kind of progress.
>Denying a better system from others out of envy or simply being obnoxiously butthurt goes against any kind of progress. Give me a reason of why would I want others to have it easier than I did ? Am I their parents ? It's a game, not human rights. I don't want others to have free shit while I worked for it. Am I selfish? Maybe.
Madnasher (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=MRduL,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=oguqGIQo,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-11-10T17:58:54.424+0000) > > Yeah, so who gives a shit about what we did if it's best for the new kids. I love people thinking like you not. Seriously, drop the elitism. its boring and pathetic. im coming into my 4th year playing, and I like the fact that players start with runes. it means they dont have to constantly adjust the play style they have, it means that they start with the same advantages and disadvantages as other players, it means that they UNDERSTAND what they have better. Therefore it makes my teammates better, therefore it means when I teach my friends i dont have to go on some shitty account with all the damages skewed out of sync to what I am used to. Grow up. The game evolves, evolve with it or dont let the door hit you on the arse on your way out.
As I said, not everyone shares my opinion.
xMisuto (EUW)
: Hello For a 5year old player you sure seem to have missed the points of league of legends..., the whole reason league is great is cuz you can just start a game and are equal to other players you don't need to grind millions of hours to get good stuff ONLY WITH RUNES YOU DID !!! so this is a great change. if you feel like grinding don't play MOBA play an RPG... so sad you can't even see this. Riot did a great job in finaly destroying those old masteries that made the game so unbalanced. As for "hope they kept smth of the old masteries" did you even look at the new ones ? cuz like every old keystone is stil in the game... nothing changed only it got better and they removed bad stuff. This has been the best change ever and i love it. Seems to me after 5 year of league you stil don't get what league is all about! Catching a fun game without having to spend lots of time on it :). Don't complain rito will start listening to ppl like you and thats a BAD THING! For riot who might read this whole post. Ignore it you are awsome. just a player that doesn't even take the time to see how much you guys tried to preservere what old players love and try to elminiate what new players hate! GREAT JOB <3
Gosh you're cringy af. With that mentality, what's the point of the ranking system, let's all be equal and live in peace while we play for fun cause Jesus loves us all.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
>Why the elitism? Well I don't know, maybe because that's how it works in every domain ? I don't know where did you see a game in which the new players have the same things as the old ones. >Having players be forced to choose between unlocking either champions or runes was a long-standing issue with LoL that got finally corrected. Let's not speak about the fact that, in order to get 10 BE that you need for a champ, you have to play 10-15 matches to get it. I get it that you think of the good of the new generation of players but I don't really care about them, this isn't charity.
Zantonny (EUW)
: Other than the last two lines, this was actually looking semi-constructive! But I feel like it's still too early to say you can't swallow it. It's a lot to take in at first, but those that used it on the PBE managed to get it down pretty quickly after a week or two. By the time the season starts, you'll have it down I am sure. As for the Warwick skin, I believe it was previously unpurchasable, and was given as a reward to people who invited a lot of additional friends to league. So I don't think many people have it. I am actually really happy that new players get all the runes, it means there is no in game advantage between people, which is good! It makes the game skill based, rather than a measurement of time played. The runes are currently quite unbalanced, but that is why these changes are done in preseason, so they can get lots of people playing them, giving feedback and providing statistics for them to find out what's good, what's not and balance around it. Remember the previous masteries preseason, when Thunderlords was taken on every single champion because it was so broken that anyone not taking thunderlords autolost? It's like that. Except this time it's actually not as bad. By the time the season starts, things will be balanced and any bugs that slipped through PBE will likely be ironed out. It's change that keeps the game going, it'd get very stale very quickly if nothing ever changed!
>I am actually really happy that new players get all the runes, it means there is no in game advantage between people, which is good! It makes the game skill based, rather than a measurement of time played. Yeah cheers to them but what I'm saying is that our effort was for nothing. They are not my children, I don't spend my time playing years and buying runes so others can have free runes from whatever level. I don't care about the new players, I care about the old ones. >It's change that keeps the game going, it'd get very stale very quickly if nothing ever changed! True but there is good change and bad change. I don't see this as a good change, not for many people. They are trying to copy other games like overwatch but it's not working, different games, different people and different gameplay.
: > [{quoted}](name=MRduL,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=oguqGIQo,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-11-10T15:38:44.327+0000) > > So I&amp;#039;ve been playing this game for 5 years now and I gotta express my frustration. > > The new system isn&amp;#039;t friendly for the old players, everything is unbalanced and you changed too much of the actual game. > I know it&amp;#039;s your game and you can do whatever you want but if it wasn&amp;#039;t for us, you would&amp;#039;ve been nothing so I expected more from Riot. > > I find it insulting that we have to buy a skin for a champ that most don&amp;#039;t play with 150k BE that you can get from what, 1000 matches ? ( No idea actually). > You can&amp;#039;t create &amp;quot;trends&amp;quot; like those, the skin was few RP before, not 150k BE. > > The new runes, totally unbalanced, nothing makes much sense. > You could&amp;#039;ve at least make them similar to the old ones ? Maybe ? > I miss the old masteries, my whole play style was based on them and the old runes but in return, I got some BE, not enough to even buy a warwick skin tho. > > It feels like a big joke that only new players could possibly swallow it . > Speaking of new players, they have all the runes from level 1, that&amp;#039;s even more insulting for the ones that worked so hard to buy them and level up. > > There are all kinds of opinions but there are so many people that aren&amp;#039;t pleased with the new system, it&amp;#039;s crazy. > I know some may disagree with my opinion and it&amp;#039;s normal, I am not looking to argue with people over this subject but I can see the response from thousands of people towards the new system, only the ones that have the decency to show it on the forum. > > I have no expectations, I just wanted to express this because it&amp;#039;s not okay and it feels like Riot really %%%%ed us. i totally agree with u, feels like skills doesnt even matter anymore its all about the new runes
Pretty much, yeah.
strut (EUNE)
: > I find it insulting that we have to buy a skin for a champ that most don't play with 150k BE that you can get from what, 1000 matches ? You don't have to buy it. It's an option. What do you expect to get rewarded for? Playing the game for a long time? The game is it's own reward. Play it if you like it, if not, then do not play it. It's not a job where you get rewarded for doing something you don't want to do. The game is already free by the way and you were the one that chose to play it for so many hours. Should you be rewarded for playing a free game that was so well made that it was fun for you for 5 %%%%ing years? > Speaking of new players, they have all the runes from level 1, that's even more insulting for the ones that worked so hard to buy them and level up. So the new players shouldn't have the ability to learn the use of runes because you didn't have it back in your time of being a newbie. I just %%%%ing love people that think like this. Just because you had to grind in a system that was shit other players should all be forced to do the same. Bravo The new system has many many flaws especially gameplaywise but if you write ignorant shit like this you won't be taken seriously
>you had to grind in a system that was shit Yeah, so who gives a shit about what we did if it's best for the new kids. I love people thinking like you not.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
>Considering that there are people who complained that new players were at a disadvantage by facing players with runes, while having none for themselves: is that even a bad thing? New players should've work for them like the ones with runes did. For what did we do that ? So people can just choose them from level 1 ? >You don't have to buy it. It was put in the shop at that price because it's a limited skin, and it gave a reason to spend currency to players with gazillion of unspent IP (which translated into a gazillion of unspent BE). What a joke of a strategy tbh.
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: Finally found the reason for the Bulgarian issues with Blizoo
It happens in Romania, Slovenia and others aswel. I doubt that there was a fire at each and every ISP.
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Sneakyjg (EUNE)
: The game is literally unplayable
We have the same problem in Romania. ISP : Orange

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