VIT Laati (EUNE)
: 1st: Compare Morgana and Nasus. Why on Earth would one play with AP Nasus rather than AP Morgana? 2nd: If you go AP, you remain quite squishy. The few stacks you have gathered means nothing. And with AP, your passive is useless, unlike Morgana's. AP Nasus is nothing more than an ARAM build.
I'm not ztying to compare Nasus. I'm a one trick so I wanna be able to flex him into mid. Now I'm looking for the best builds in my 3 situations. I enjoy the champ a lot and I've had fun playing him mid. That's it man.
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: "Ap Nasus, which I think is legit rather than troll." I think there is no point for further discussion.
Believe it or not, it's the easiest way to punish people if they're better than you in skill. you perma push and auto win lane, you wait for him to walk up and E, if he doesn't walk up you Q Stack and scale. I don't think you have played against Nasus mid, it's underrated at least from bronze to gold
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: > [{quoted}](name=MaRinPlaysGaren,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=9nFEyUAA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-07-04T22:20:37.176+0000) > > Hey Man! > So I can tell you AP Nasus is probably the easiest way to punish people who don't know what they're doing without having to know what you're doing ether. E actually does stupid instant damage one Ludens is done. Plus the DOT is pretty good. As for the build I'm guessing you're talking about Toplane vs Squichys? Also could you explain the build further? Are you saying to rush Lich Bane into Frozen Heart/Vissage snd go full tank? So Lich Bane replaces TF/IBG? That sounds quite genius actually but I'm afraid I might lose splitpush pressure without ZzRot/IBG... The whole point is to spam E and push waves stupidly fast to draw 4 people up. I was just thinking of an off the top of my head scenario, LichBane instead of TriForce/IBG in a similar build, perhaps buying abyssal mask and banshee's veil for some solid MR and AP / minor damage amp. I don't have any other advice I'm afraid but some other people might! Edit: oh and possibly situationally get ROA if you're ahead and can get it early.
: Nasus at the moment reminds me of old Sion, his kit is a bit all over the place without any real focus. AP Nasus works alright on ARAM but I don't know if it could on SR, his only poke being his E which is short range and depends on the opponent sticking around. His ultimate is a bit like having a Lulu save you, other than that it's useless because he'd have to be tanky and get in your face to successfully use it otherwise (so E would then lose damage). Perhaps an AP bruiser build could work, which would work similar to normal Nasus and rely on Lich Bane + Q to do more damage with E to supplement it.
Hey Man! So I can tell you AP Nasus is probably the easiest way to punish people who don't know what they're doing without having to know what you're doing ether. E actually does stupid instant damage one Ludens is done. Plus the DOT is pretty good. As for the build I'm guessing you're talking about Toplane vs Squichys? Also could you explain the build further? Are you saying to rush Lich Bane into Frozen Heart/Vissage snd go full tank? So Lich Bane replaces TF/IBG? That sounds quite genius actually but I'm afraid I might lose splitpush pressure without ZzRot/IBG... The whole point is to spam E and push waves stupidly fast to draw 4 people up.
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: Difficult to say... honestly just choose which ever one you enjoy or are best at... in the end that’s the most important thing, that you can play them and that you won’t get bored playing them
Actually I am Kind of weird in the sense that I enjoy repeating the same Thing and seeing results. Wether the champ is considered fun doesn´t matter. After all I think Garen and Nasus are fun (:
: Pick anything you like playing, what fits your playstyle, any champion can climb as high as possible, it all depends on you :D (Going to throw in a vote for my Lulu) :D{{sticker:sg-lux}}
Thank you. I´ll try her since I generally don´t get bored of playing Champs. I love repeating and seeing results.
: Be wary of choosing chogath or Morgana, both are high on the rework list so it’s likely they will get their rework in the foreseeable future, so while they are good you might loose the hours you put into them
Thank you so much. What would you suggest?
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SODXI (EUNE)
: Have you tried tryndamere {{champion:23}} ? He is as easy as garen and can carry easily. I have even seen one trick trynd diamon player. So, what you have to do is, stop looking all that up and start playing a champion. One that you will enjoy is best. Like garen? keep playing him. Play the %%%% out of garen, 200+ games. and you will climb. Learn to CS. It's the main gold income in game, if you're good at it you should outdamage everyone in bronze. If you try a lot and still fail at it and think you can't do it, switch to jungle. (That's what I did, I can't cs at all xD) As top laner you need to know how to split. Watch videos explaining how to splitpush. If you get ahead, don't start playing risky, shutdown gives a lot of gold and chance for enemy to comeback into the game. If you win toplane, push it past the first turret and try to get hearld, then bring it to bot or mid. Whoever is struggling. Time you leaves. Don't leave lane undefended and give away free towers. I think there are also some free coaches, google that and ask them for help. That's all I can think of right now. Good Luck.
That´s actually great advice. I´ll work on it and see what success I can get out of Garen first.
Èclair (EUNE)
: Ever tried Cho'gath? He's easy to play with easy to understand kit and has lots of stacking potential and lane sustain.
I could actually try Cho. No idea why I never thought About that. I´ll write it down and try it thanks.
: Just play what you enjoy even in ranked games ,your goal is to have fun then if you have fun you will play and get good without trying so hard
Thanks that´s great advice. It´s hard for me as a bronze Player to find Champs who get the closest to my requirements. If I have Options I can find the champ that will bring me the best results quickly and try them out to see if it´s fun.
: I like to Play normals so that I can practice until I´m good enough to Escape bronze. My winrate in ranked is terrible because People are just better than me. So this is why I wanna get really good on the one trick and take it into ranked.
But thanks for that post. I´ll work on playing a lot more ranked. Do you have suggestions for the champ Situation?
: My friend you don't play this game at all you played like 40 ranked games in all your life since s6, lol is a sport you need to practice in order to get good just play the game
I like to Play normals so that I can practice until I´m good enough to Escape bronze. My winrate in ranked is terrible because People are just better than me. So this is why I wanna get really good on the one trick and take it into ranked.
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: He's said in the past that her benefit is that she's so easy to play. You can focus on the minimap easier because of her easy q farming. All you need to do is outfarm and poke and you autowin the lane. I can get behind that since a lot of rune pages in toplane are aimed against AD. If I play an AP mage I can poke him down hard and win the lane by outfarming. I can just be a cc engage tool later. No need to carry. I don't have the farm safety with anyone else.
The Question is if that's the easiest way. Is practicing cs on Malphite and then outfarming more effective? In theory the Annie strategy sound quite fitting. I don't want a long term plan. The goal is to literally just get the highest odds of escaping bronze in the shortest amount of time. Annie seems ok to me once I manage to stop missing cs. I'm practicing that in customs everyday.
Eveninn (EUW)
: Does he explain why? I personally feel like I only wanna trust advice that gets explained to me in a way that I understand and agree with.
He's said in the past that her benefit is that she's so easy to play. You can focus on the minimap easier because of her easy q farming. All you need to do is outfarm and poke and you autowin the lane. I can get behind that since a lot of rune pages in toplane are aimed against AD. If I play an AP mage I can poke him down hard and win the lane by outfarming. I can just be a cc engage tool later. No need to carry. I don't have the farm safety with anyone else.
: If you wanna get out of bronze, first thing you should do is not watch that guy's videos lol
Is there someone else you would recommend me to watch?
: If you wanna get out of bronze, first thing you should do is not watch that guy's videos lol
Why though. He actually tells you how hard you suck and why. And how to get better. To me he looks quite trustable and I learned a lot from him.
Enjutsu (EUNE)
: I woudn trust him or any high elo player suggesting what to pick in low elo, i think there are too many differences and unknowns for a high elo player. Usual logic behind suggestions for low elo players is that low elo players suck so they need easy champions to climb and they need carry champions because theyr teammates suck. Why i think this logic flawed? The issue i find with the first point is that while it's true difficult champions in low elo do have lower winrate, but what it doesnt show is those who decide to pick them how well do they climb? I don't think there's much of a difference in whatever you master a difficult champion or just the game itself, at least with a difficult champion it's much more visible what to improve at. Also i'd imagine the core issue is more like mental and it's about knowing how to improve than what champion to improve as. the second one especially is flawed is because it's from high elo players perspective, teammates suck for the high elo player in low elo player, but for low elo player they're as good as the player in question. I find some other questionable issues with that logic, but don't wanna expand too much. Case and point: me i climbed out of silver with Anivia and Nami, maybe not the most difficult champions in the world, but still hard.
Well he's right though. I'm not saying it's my teammates fault, but they suck just as much as i do. So in order to get to silver in s7 I actually just have to go for the easiest route possible. No matter if the long term plan of mastering a difficult champ would get me higher. I don't have time to master a champ. I'd rather improve CS in Customs and have better map awareness while not focusing on hard champs
Inaphyt (EUW)
: I understand why annie is picked, she can do a tonne of damage even if she dies just get tibbers out and you can do a lot, easy farming etcetc. Darius makes sense, i had to play constantly 2 times harder than my opponent to win games when i used to main trynd even if he was a complete scrub, few top laners like seeing a darius. Heimerdinger? Breaks the rule completely that he just said about keeping it simple (mf, ashe) he's not easy to play and requires tonnes of turret placement strats, good aiming of stun and knowing when to use 3 variants of ultimate. Imo avoid like the plague if you want to win unless you have screwed around with heimer for years in aram and champ is nowhere near easy. Same for Vlad, sure you can have a great laning phase vs tanks and certain mid laners but to actually do anything requires you to go in with ignite and know when to all in which occasionally requires you to tower dive and essentially you will do nothing in a game unless you're making clutch decisions right up in the opponents face. Disagree majorly. Mordekaiser sucks good in lane shit at winning game. I dislike how he talks about tilting your opponent, like pick who you want you wont tilt me. I am tilt proof. Bad mentality in this game. Ivern off meta for a while. Is old list.
I wasn't actually talking about the tierlist as a whole though. The point was if LS is right about Annie, no matter if the list is outdated. Is Annie actually the fastest possible way? I mean I can outfarm and I have carry potential too. She's also really easy
Treycos (EUW)
: > As I said I trust him because of his experience but why does nobody play Annie Top then? While annie top is something that can work very well in low ELO, it will de considered a trollpick If someone tells you that, mute him, their opinion isn't helpful to anyone Most low ELO players try to copy their favorite streamers/pro players highly picked champions in diamond/master, and refuse to admit that these picks aren't optimal in bronze/silver By the way, a champion doesn't make you climb, but playing a low-skillcap champion helps you focus on other part of the game, since their kit isn't important, therefore improving your game knowledge in general
Well if I don't have to focus on mechanics as much I should be able to make better desicions. So the champ actually does make me climb right?
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: Thank you so much. I personally build what ever fits the team as well but I copy runes and masteries. Gonna check the site out asap.
This site is actually pretty great because i can literally build a perfect setup by myself. The only thing I'm scared of is that this site might not be as accurate as champion.gg
: I never use a build prepared by a specific player or guide. Builds strongly depend on the situation and there is not much use in copying someone else unless your playstyle is identical. I use http://lolalytics.com/ On this page you can check general statistics about items, runes and masteries for specific champions in specific roles and leagues. The page doesn't suggest a build but instead just delivers actual statistical data. Based on that I use what I think is right for the current situation and fits my playstyle.
Thank you so much. I personally build what ever fits the team as well but I copy runes and masteries. Gonna check the site out asap.
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: Throw away Irelia if you don't want to put in some time to work on your mechanics. Malphite, Nasus and Garen are pretty straight forward and a good pick for bronze soloq, but have no ground in higher elos. If you are just playing to have fun and not planning on going for plat and above, those are fine and solid in most cases. If you, however, are planning on going for plat or above, Nasus and Malphite loose their spot since they are outshined by other champions. ----- {{champion:27}} needs some work put into so he can shine. Not mechanical, but a lot of knowledge. {{champion:57}} favoured by a lot of people since he is just really good, not punishable by most melee matchups and can even beat the crap out of some bullies. {{champion:3}} again, really sick in laning phase, can punish a lot of matchups and has a game-changing ult with a lot of potential. Also, my most hated champion since he can clear waves with little to no AP. A bit weak for solo Q right now tho. Also a possible mid pick. {{champion:79}} combines everything you can ask for in a tank. Sustain, can hold himself against melee matchups, disruptor/initiator/pick-potential and %damage. Needs precision tho, since a bad ult can just kill your adc if you throw a tank his way. Also a possible mid pick. {{champion:127}} cancerous for melee champions, does scale well, CC monster and all time favourite for ganking junglers. Also a mid pick. {{champion:10}} no mechanics, Late game beast, really painful for melee champions if played right and overall solid team fighting with R. Mid pick aswell.
thank you for the brilliant answer. Everything is explained and I know where you're coming from. I'm planning on trying Kayle since I can peel for my team too. Maokai is super solid too. Lissandra would most likely be too hard to master for me though.
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: Pick the one you enjoy the most... that will mean you can't get bored of it plus you will learn faster when you are enjoying the champion you are playing.
I won´t get bored, don´t worry, I mained Nasus for a long time till I realised that he´s misserable in bronze, since your team yolo engages 4v5 while you are pushing 3 top turrets. The problem is, the champions I thought I enjoy the most (Nasus and Garen) are either not suited for mid and not good for soloQ, since Garen falls of lategame
: Need help with my champion pool!
Another reason why Lulu would be amazing is because I can go Lulu supp if I get auto filled and she´s never banned
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: So summing the comments that people left so far up: Lots of you say, that they don't want SKT to instawin every worlds. But let's be honest, if SKT has to go up against Na's 3rd seed and FW plus Imay who went to worlds because WE threw, what do you expect? The playoff matches were also not too much of an issue, except for Rox, which are the 2nd strongest team in the LCK. You guys just have to start asking yourself the following: If SKT is training on the KR server all year and if they have the staff like they do have, is for example C9 really an issue just because they did well in NA? EU and NA LCS are made up of 2 worldclass teams at most, the rest is just average. Lots of people also said regular season doesn't matter. Oh yes it does! The worlds teams from LCK are always expected to go to at least the semis, because the region is so strong. If KT had beaten SSG, they would've gone to semis at least. You guys just have to stop hyping EU and NA teams because they went like 18-0 in their region. It doesn't mean much, when teams like Schalke 04, Splyce, Giants and Fnatic are in your region. Same goes for NA. Look at LCK tho: worldclass: SSG, SKT, Rox, KT Average: Jin Air, Afreeca Below: LZ, MVP, Ever, CJ Even the not-so- great teams in the LCK practice more efficiently than western teams. They just can't get far, cuz there's the Op Teams
You can see how good even the lower LCK seeds are, when a team like ESC Ever won the KeSPA cup last year, by 2-0ing the fresh world champion SKT
: SKT isn't appreciated?
So summing the comments that people left so far up: Lots of you say, that they don't want SKT to instawin every worlds. But let's be honest, if SKT has to go up against Na's 3rd seed and FW plus Imay who went to worlds because WE threw, what do you expect? The playoff matches were also not too much of an issue, except for Rox, which are the 2nd strongest team in the LCK. You guys just have to start asking yourself the following: If SKT is training on the KR server all year and if they have the staff like they do have, is for example C9 really an issue just because they did well in NA? EU and NA LCS are made up of 2 worldclass teams at most, the rest is just average. Lots of people also said regular season doesn't matter. Oh yes it does! The worlds teams from LCK are always expected to go to at least the semis, because the region is so strong. If KT had beaten SSG, they would've gone to semis at least. You guys just have to stop hyping EU and NA teams because they went like 18-0 in their region. It doesn't mean much, when teams like Schalke 04, Splyce, Giants and Fnatic are in your region. Same goes for NA. Look at LCK tho: worldclass: SSG, SKT, Rox, KT Average: Jin Air, Afreeca Below: LZ, MVP, Ever, CJ Even the not-so- great teams in the LCK practice more efficiently than western teams. They just can't get far, cuz there's the Op Teams
: But my statement still stands... every time SKT made it to worlds since S3 they have won... regardless of what happened in the normal split (remember how G2 did amazing in the normal split then went to world and got beaten in a bracket that was supposed to be an easy second place for them... just goes to show you can't judge a performance at world's based on the regular split, some teams always turn up (SKT) and some teams drop the ball).
You can't compare the EU LCS to LCK. If you do well in the LCK, you are expected to do well at worlds, just because the region is so much better. You also said ,,SKT is garanteed to win worlds" which they will never be ever. There will always be a competition amongs the korean teams at least.
: Personally I find specifically the hypetrain fanboying disgusting. True fans dont have to spam "SKT WIN!" "Korea > world" "SKT > Everyone else" etc. It's this behaviour I find annoying. On the other hand, the SKT playstyle is truly efficient, but not as scrappy (or faulty) and thus exciting as styles of other teams. If you appreciate cold-hearted executed LoL strategy, SKT is the way to go. If you enjoy more of a plays-heavy style, other teams got from that. Me, despite not liking SKT either, still appreciate their efficiency and proficiency.
I never thought of it in the playstyle way, I couldn't agree more however
: In the last 4 worlds SKT won 3 of them... it's kinda repetitive as since S3 when ever they are in worlds they are pretty much guarenteed to win It's not their fault and they don't exactly deserve the hate but I can understand the frustration
> [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=N9uP9Byj,discussion-id=EXVtKEW9,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-10-31T17:35:22.916+0000) > > In the last 4 worlds SKT won 3 of them... it's kinda repetitive as since S3 when ever they are in worlds they are pretty much guarenteed to win > > It's not their fault and they don't exactly deserve the hate but I can understand the frustration That's untrue my friend. In my oppinion, SKT wouldn't even have gone to worlds if Rox didn't beat KT in the Summer finals. If KT won, they go to worlds and Rox faces SKT in the gauntlet. I think SKT would've lost back then, Rox was on fire. People even said C9 would take 1st in their group. If you watch the LCK, you know how many questionmarks there where about SKT before worlds after they got reverse-sweeped by KT
GLurch (EUW)
: It's just boring to watch. If you know who's gonna win, you don't feel any need to watch it anymore. None has to watch it, but if SKT would have lost to someone, I would have probably watched the worlds, because there would be this feeling like "Omg, who's gonna win?"
> [{quoted}](name=GLurch,realm=EUW,application-id=N9uP9Byj,discussion-id=EXVtKEW9,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-10-31T17:25:05.701+0000) > > It's just boring to watch. If you know who's gonna win, you don't feel any need to watch it anymore. None has to watch it, but if SKT would have lost to someone, I would have probably watched the worlds, because there would be this feeling like "Omg, who's gonna win?" I appreciate your comment, but that's just untrue. SKT scrambled into worlds by a hair. They almost had to go into the gauntlet if Rox had lost to KT Rolster in the Summer Finals. SKT would've had to beat Rox in a bo5 in the gaunlet. So it's not like SKT only wins, although it may seem like it if you only watch them at international tournaments. But NO, SKT doesn't only win as you can see in the LCK
Najns (EUW)
: Why does everyone have SKT T1 so much?
I agree with you dude. Also there's one thing I wanred to say: The statement ,,You know who's gonna win" is utter bullshit if you watched the regular season. You should also stop giving Faker more credit than the others. Start realizing how great they all are! Faker can't win worlds by himselve, right?
Infernape (EUW)
: There's nothing wrong with SKT or Korea in general, everyone else just needs to GIT GUD.
> [{quoted}](name=FurorDivinus27,realm=EUW,application-id=N9uP9Byj,discussion-id=EXVtKEW9,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-10-31T17:00:58.392+0000) > > There's nothing wrong with SKT or Korea in general, everyone else just needs to GIT GUD. exactly right, I agree with you
Enjutsu (EUNE)
: Because it's boring to know who's gonna win.
You don't know whos gonna win at all! I don't think you watched their regular season.
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: Champions that can be played in Top and Support (NOT A TROLL POST)
I forgot to mention something very important. First of all it can also be a champion that can be played in Mid/Top and IF there are more champions that fitt into what im looking for, please try to rate the champion with 1 being the champion that i get the biggest reward out of when I main it. P.S.: I am a bronze player so I do not give a damn about Meta.
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