Cypherous (EUW)
: > so kiss isnt a common word then? thats the point. In english sure, but the K abbreviation is also common in english in a negative way, which is thep oint you're missing, the far more common use of that phrase is going to trump that it means something innocent in one language most people don't even speak > He said kiss in another language on a multi lingual server. Thats all there is to this, game, set and match. And he said kill yourself in another far more common language which is a zero tolerance phrase with no valid excuses, unfortunately its a word that means something innocent in another language but lets be fair, how often are you actually going to type kiss in to the chat? so the more common use for this abbreviation by a massive margin is as something we don't tolerate, so yes its game set and match, but not for me lol > No arguement. No need. He said kiss. In danish. While talking danish. Its a very common word.. Cool, it wasnt an argument in the first place, its a statement of facts, he used something that isn't tolerated in another language, i would expect the same punishment if i were to use something similar in another language because as a responsible person i should be doing my due diligence to make sure i don't say anything like that And the matter is already closed, riot support told him no so thats that, there is nothing else he can do about that
The statement of facts are as follows: The server is multi lingual. The conversation was in Danish. The word as written was the word for kiss. The intent as written was for the word kiss. The automatic system picked it up. A human denied it being a word in Danish. You have then come on here being a pretentious ass about it. Fact is, and this fact wont change, the conversation upon review means that someone shouldve gone 'oh damn im sorry, we can see what was said and got context, you were pinged by the automatic system' Fact is, there are words in english that actually have an offensive term in other languages, same with other languages all over the world. As I previously stated, the only way to enforce this is to make the server strictly in english.
Cypherous (EUW)
: > No. Not even close. I've seen people flaming in many languages getting pulled up for it after a manual review. The automatic ban was right, because of the flagging, however after a simple review you can see that the person is just talking in a different language on a MULTI LINGUAL server. If they are to enforce this then they need to have a rule that stipulates that the only language to be used is English. Yeah i think people need to duck because the point just flew over your head The IFS will handle common words in other languages, its going to suffer with any more obscure references, for example if i start calling you a plonker or a prat the system isn't going to be familiar with these, it will also suffer with some slang terms, it also can't really handle more creative insults like if i typed "I had intercourse with your maternal figure last night" as none of those are trigger words, its very very easy to circumvent the IFS while still making it painfully clear to a human that you're taking the piss out of them, which only a manual review would actually catch assuming they were paying attention > Or, publish a list of all words and phrases that are not allowed. You mean literally give me a list of things not to say to entirely avoid detection by the IFS so i can insult people without having to worry? :P > I've had players wish cancer on me and my whole family and nothing happened to them. Because cancer won't be on the zero tolerance list on account of it having other meanings outside of an illness, just like aids won't be on the ZTL dues it it also being an actual word, which means that people who wish those things upon you will be given a standard toxicity punishment rather than it being escalated to an instant ban meaning you might not even be able to tell they were punished as chat restrictions aren't visible
> The IFS will handle common words in other languages, its going to suffer with any more obscure references, so kiss isnt a common word then? thats the point. Thats entirely the point. He said kiss in another language on a multi lingual server. Thats all there is to this, game, set and match. No arguement. No need. He said kiss. In danish. While talking danish. Its a very common word..
Cypherous (EUW)
: Yes, on an english primary speaking server, its a zero tolerance, you need to be more careful with what you say and be aware that words have meanings in other languages, riot isn't going to make allowances for it Its the same reason that despite a swastika having many many uses outside of nazi's people still don't use it, its called realising that other things have meanings in other languages
No. Not even close. I've seen people flaming in many languages getting pulled up for it after a manual review. The automatic ban was right, because of the flagging, however after a simple review you can see that the person is just talking in a different language on a MULTI LINGUAL server. If they are to enforce this then they need to have a rule that stipulates that the only language to be used is English. Or, publish a list of all words and phrases that are not allowed. Your argument that the ban shouldn't be lifted is absurd, as the person was having a conversation with someone in danish, which is clear. His sentence has been translated for you, so context is provided. Lets be honest, just saying k y s is pure bull turd reasoning for a ban anyway. I've had players wish cancer on me and my whole family and nothing happened to them. The player spoke in a foreign language where that word has existed for a very long time. Only way to enforce this ban is to ban all languages apart from English.
FlyToSky (EUNE)
: Yorick Q/Passive not counting all units
pretty sure thats as intended there. I dont think nasus can stack on them either.
FWthc0 (EUNE)
: Wanna talk about it?♡
As generous an offer as that is, i know how to deal with my shit but unfortunatly i cant action what i need to do to enable it, its a catch 22 situation tbh.
FWthc0 (EUNE)
: Dear Players - To Broken or not
Doesnt really help me tbh, League is my escape from my shit. Unfortunately due to real life circumstances I cant really escape my shit as yet, I have to endure it for many more moths to come. Someone, somewhere will benefit from your words, but that person isnt me. Dont let that stop you being an awesome and positive person though.
: 5 Minute AFK mark: Why?
I think if you come back and have spent less than 25% of the match afk then you should be ok. otherwise its just bullshit. I had a bugsplat chain that meant i was late to a game, my queue partner informed the team that i was coming and I came back and crushed it, but lost lp because I was afk for 6-7 minutes.
Tarolock (EUNE)
: the teemo mid had a 80+% winrate and he got banned because nb3 called his buddy at riot, while he and his teammates went afk at the fountain insulting him for playing teemo mid the singed got banned because he was toxic and abandoned bot to clear the jungle...
> [{quoted}](name=Tarolock,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=YAMh5nRX,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-03T13:28:07.185+0000) > > the teemo mid had a 80+% winrate and he got banned because nb3 called his buddy at riot, while he and his teammates went afk at the fountain insulting him for playing teemo mid > > the singed got banned because he was toxic and abandoned bot to clear the jungle... They were actually told that they had to clear thier strat with their team first, because they made no attempt at communicating their strat it was deemed as negative impact and forcing people to play to your style.
Tarolock (EUNE)
: you can play anything anywhere and if your aim is to win the game with your pick then you cant get banned for it
tell that to the teemo mid :P or the singed support. As long as you communicate your plan with your team, and try to win, they cant do shit.
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
bebeloiuOP (EUNE)
: Taking attitude in front of a toxic player means getting chat restricted
You do know that begging for reports is against the TOS right?
: One that's just as bad is "First time riven"
oh god, the 'im a smurf, but ive never played this champ before' players...
: Yeah "eager" smurfs are arseholes and do try and preach their bad practices, i feel your pain!
Yep. If you wanna seal club then do so, if you wanna teach people how to play then get on discord with them, and go normals/practice tools, stop ruining peoples ranked games with the excuse of 'im trying to teach you'
Hananim (EUW)
: Thats 66% winrate which is more than enough to climb.
1 in 3 are unwinnable. that doesnt mean the other 2 are easily won. realistically they are a coinflip as well. Play a carry role and watch as your team goes chasing kills instead of objectives. Play a carry jungler, take the gold and snowball and watch as your adc/top/mid go afk for taking the kills. Give them the kills and watch as they do nothing with the lead you got them. Take a tank, be the frontline, peel, protect your carries and watch as they push unwarded lanes and die solo. Be the only person warding, and laugh as you end the game with a vision score of 40+ as adc while your support still has the basic gp10 and trinket wards, and noone has a sweeper. Be the only person to buy any pink wards in a game. - thats the other 2/3.
: Unpopular Opinion
Biggest issue I have is smurfs. The ones who go 'I know what Im doing you dont so listen to me' and proceed to chase kills, ignoring the drake/tower/rift/person pushing botlane hard, or preach at you, or belittle you all game and say 'Im only trying to help you, you suck' Idiots like that tilt me so hard and I stop caring about the game I am in. They literally suck the fun out of a game.
: Tips to save your LP during champion select
> > Start permanently banning Ezreal or Riven.They're champions who need knowledge,positioning and require a lot of patience during laning phase.You dont want them in your team.No Bronze,Silver,Gold or Platinum players can play them properly.(Except some one tricks with millions of points but what are the chances to queue up with them?) > Im not a OTP but I am fairly proficient on Ezreal, KDA when I started learning him sucked but now Im rocking 5+ a game with damage in the 40-50k region, and yes Im silver, reason I decided to main a character that is harder to learn is because if you are half decent on the character it makes it easier to climb, and I am less reliant on the army of monkeys riot seems to like putting on my team. It took time to learn, but I would happily say I am comfortable on him now. If you banned it, Id just take tristana instead, and laugh at your saltiness
FlameClub (EUNE)
: Why do i feel like every ranked game is a diceroll?
it seems to me that 1 in three games at the moment are pretty much unwinnable, had a game where i got my adc first blood and then a double kill, roamed to help mid and get vision, as i roamed i pinged i was going and my adc dies. respawns, dies again. Any time I am there to baby sit its all good, but as SOON as I leave the lane to ward (kinda need to ya know) they die.
: Why euw/eune boards so inactive...
Its really simple, think about how often you see a red or green name on the boards here, it doesnt happen often. Now go check out the NA boards, youll see them alot more. NA boards are where you post anything you actually want riot to deal with/see/understand. No point posting half the shit here that gets posted.
: Unable to remake (3 times in 2 days)
had a game where the toplaner connected but didnt move, had the automatic disconnect after 5 minutes, but we were stuck. no remake. Horrible game. Cho came back just before 15 minutes and wouldnt surrender as 'he just needed to catch up'
sssShade (EUNE)
: TFT strategies and observations
Irony of this is I just finished a game where the guy who won was 2 levels head of the rest of us, with 5 level 3 characters..... he wasnt running pirates. I on the other hand, was running pirates, and just couldnt find anything to level my guys, finished with 3 level 3, and 2 level 2 before I was eliminated. As much as the economic strats are helpful, unfortunately you cant beat the RNGsus.
Cypherous (EUW)
: Where are the facts? anyone can "claim" they know a rioter, do you have any actual evidence to back this up? Because NB's actions are there for everyone to see and very clearly show a toxic attitude, so by all means present your facts that anyone called riot and had anything implemented
*sigh* the fact that nb throws around the 2 week vacation thing, and is a partner with riot due to being an influential streamer, oh and he has regularly mentioned his friend at riot too. Nubrac asked riot beforehand about his tactic and was told AS LONG as he is TRYING TO WIN its allowed. Then we have this moment, where we get to watch NB on stream contacting someone and complaining about it as well as holding the game hostage as well, and boom, ban comes in. Seems all rather straightforward to me. An asshole abused his position over something he doesnt like.
: I've seen alot of comments of you trying to convince people that the ban was bullshit. I don't necessary think a hardstuck silver 5 or silver 4 should try to justify a high elo player ban. HEHE XD go play ARAM instead of trying to defend a griefer.
you are unranked, therefore by your logic your opinion is worth less than mine. hehe. didnt realise rank had anything to do with understanding or logical process. go play tetris instead of trying to defend a toxic piece of trash.
Cypherous (EUW)
: No he was banned for being toxic and trolling, i mean people can try and blame it on other stuff all they want but at the end of the day the facts are there :P
So it had nothing to do with the fact that NB called his friend and got it implemented? Said so on his stream as well? Hmmmm, the facts are there after all....
Cypherous (EUW)
: > So I just heard of This Nightblue thing from a Reddit post, where Riot seemly ban "off-meta" picks, and this post used Nunu support as a Prime example of why "off-meta" picks should be banned. You should read the whole thing, he was banned for being toxic and playing support teemo mid when his midlaner didn't want him there and left his ADC to 1v2 bot, off meta picks aren't actually against the rules
He was banned because NB called his 'riot friend' he even says 'Want a 2 week vacation bish, i will call my riot friend right now' Its a bullshit ban.
: the fact you didn't flame in return do not change the fact a support abandoning botlane is basically sabotaging the adc and ruining bot turret. simple. sure you may still win the game, sure you, maybe, can apply some pressure to another lane, but then , why don't we go 5 man mid from the start? what about 3 top and 2 jungle? again, nobody like this offmeta shit so i'm really having an hard time figuring out why would you encourage this kind of plays. your argument of "supporting the whole team" is not valid during the early laning phase so please stop repeating that i'm not even talking about the nubrac dude, i'm talking in general here, i sure as hell don't want to see supports swapping lane over and over becase they get shit on on botlane.
My argument is valid, if the ADC can lane 1v2 then let them, getting someone else fed to crap and an early tower is better, plus it actually gives MORE map control, which means more objective control, and shuts down someone else easier. As an ez or sivir, I can comfortably lane 1v2, and probably lose a few tower plates abut stay in a reasonable gap with CS. I can also have a level advantage, and in return their midlane cant farm, falls behind in xp, and is shut down hard. Id accept that trade off tbh, especially if my jungler had the intelligence to be around and split the map. If I was someone like mf, or jinx, or even Varus i would enjoy it a hell of alot less.
: I think you should have went afk, same as the other players not participating in laneswapping, you should have recorded, no best streamed it, thrown a dramatic hissy fit on cam and pretend that this is the end of the world, SoloQ is ruined, trolls are rampant, and you are being target griefed as the worlds one and only Madnasher. Then make it sound like your League partnership allows you to call in special favors with Riot ( and later in another video say you hate Riot and don't actually have any influence on them or say in what they do). /sarcasm
+1, will do that next promos XD
are u idot (EUNE)
: No wonder you got banned, I don't even get why you bring that up
context, I didnt dispute my ban, merely pointed out that one game got me banned and yet people spew forth biole and dont get banned at all.
: are you seriously asking me to show where it is written? of course it isn't, there is a total lack of written info/explanation about this game so all we do is talking by experience, and i witnessed people getting punished for abandoning their lane. if you lane swap you do so accordingly so no report / no punishment if you play sona taric you're playing offrole (not so much duo mages bot is common, but aniway) nothing wrong with that funnel comps? i don't know honestly, but i would report that personally because i think it shouldn't be a thing, like shouldn't duo be a thing, but that's just my opinion aniway, i'm sure you know perfectly how tilting is for a team to have a supp that doesn't play his laning phase botlane, so why are you defending the category?
Oh and the last few laneswaps I have been in have not been triggered by myself, nor have I been asked, Ive merely been told and expected to go along with it.
: 7. If your teammates do not enjoy you playing that way but you refuse to listen it's not their problem. It happened before with the singed support with smite. 8. It's not a thing that he has been doing for weeks. Maybe he got tilted and decided to grief games justifying it by calling it "It's the new strategy" 9. League Partners get more attention cuz alot of the times streamers get targeted by trolls. They get more attention and can ask for a ban if the guys trolling in their game.
I didnt see any trolling. I saw someone trying something different, and I even saw the other team do the same strategy to counter it, so you saying its not legit? Oh and I got to play vs a yummi mid a few days ago that roamed with the jungler, guess what, their botlane didnt push and infact played safe whenever our midlaner disappeared, like normal people do. I dont enjoy having a soraka jungle, but its allowed. I dont enjoy yasuo adc, but its allowed, I dont enjoy afk splitpush but its allowed, shall I carry on with the list of VIABLE tactics that are allowed but suck to play with? funnel comps are pure bullshit, I dont want to play that way so why the hell should I? Guess what, I dont flame these tactics EVEN THOUGH I dont like them. Know what else I hate? When a guy uses his influence to get someone banned, and also holds a game hostage by going afk. I hate when a streamer regularly rage quits games and comes back into them, I hate when league partners are toxic and total trash and yet nothing is done to stop it, because those pieces of trash are mimicked by other players, thus creating the festering cesspit of trash we have here.
: are you seriously asking me to show where it is written? of course it isn't, there is a total lack of written info/explanation about this game so all we do is talking by experience, and i witnessed people getting punished for abandoning their lane. if you lane swap you do so accordingly so no report / no punishment if you play sona taric you're playing offrole (not so much duo mages bot is common, but aniway) nothing wrong with that funnel comps? i don't know honestly, but i would report that personally because i think it shouldn't be a thing, like shouldn't duo be a thing, but that's just my opinion aniway, i'm sure you know perfectly how tilting is for a team to have a supp that doesn't play his laning phase botlane, so why are you defending the category?
I play ADC main, if my support went mid i would deal with it, because that happens alot anyway. Ive had supports abandon the lane and go duo with the jungle or toplaner, because thats their duoq partner. Did I flame? No. Did I report? No, wanna know why? Because im not a pathetic child. A support is NOT the property of the ADC nor the botlane. A support does exactly that, supports. THE WHOLE TEAM. Its not rocket science. Meta evolves and changes. What Nubrac did is NOT against the rules. Simple.
: support has the duty, like all other lanes, to play his own lane. i've seen other people punished on the boards because they didn't.
He wasnt trolling, he was supporting his team. Again, I ask this, where is it written it is against the rules? you did say its against the rules. So lane swapping is against the rules, sona/taric, funnel comps, all against the rules. Show me where it states if you queue support, and support your team, it HAS to be in botlane.
: i agree the ban is justified since you can't queue support and go trolling on another lane it's like i'm top laner and i go "supporting" mid or bot, it is actually against the rules, you have to play your lane, it's not blind pick
where does it say support has to support in botlane? he was supporting his team.
: Don't unban Nubrac.
here is why you are wrong, and you are very very wrong. What happened was something that had been checked before hand and AS LONG AS HE TRIED TO WIN, was allowed. he tried to win. What happened was NB held the game hostage, abused his position and privilege and was a total cockwomble. Nubrac did not break the TOS, nor the summoners code and NB not only told him he would be banned due to his riot friend but he would also have his stream removed from twitch, and NB also advocated having people go to his (Nubracs) stream and abuse him. Nubrac played off meta but tried to win, and has over a 50% winrate with this strat, it is recognized and the enemy team does quite often COUNTER it by copying the strat. The only negative and bannable behaviour came from NB, who used his position to abuse the system, he also flamed and abused the shit out of the guy. NB is toxic as %%%%, and its about time riot did something about him. I have seen NB tell people 'want a 2 week vacation' as soon as they disagree with him. He calls people %%%%%%s. He is toxic. Nubrac did something different. Think people started banning others when we suddenly had supports in midlane funneling the jungle? Nope. What about when we started to get supports top/mid in a protect the ADC comp? There is literally no way to justify the ban. Nor the behaviour of that toxic piece of trash that is NB.
Raymaxe (EUW)
: Reports Mean Absolutely Nothing - Change My Mind
i had a guy tell me he %%%%ed my mother than hard she got cancer and died. Among other pleasant things, 35 minutes of pure abuse and filth, player never got a ban, it was in all chat and everyone reported him. I told someone to %%%% off and go play in traffic and I get a two week ban. #balanced.
: Just to back up OPs experience in Riot telling him that they do not take action against PMs, [here](https://i.imgur.com/O2jBpDI.png) is a ticket reply I received 3 months back stating that _"we do indeed not take actions based on toxicity there"_. Whether OP was only toxic in a PM is less certain I guess.
Holy shit, thats a bullshit cop out. That also casts huge shade on the OP claim of being banned for messages now.
: But that is not what happened when i reported death threats in private chats with screens. And riot said they can't ban for private chats. The point of discussion is not toxicity is Riot misleading information and behaviour about the punishment based on the rioter preference.
Here is the thing, if you were not toxic this issue would not exist. Yes there is shades of dual standards, but in the messages where you have death threats did you report it? Because death threats are illegal. Thats right its a criminal offence to tell someone you will kill them. Ive yet to see any proof for what you claim regarding the multiple closed tickets, nor the screenshot of what your ban actually states, nor any other proof for what you say besides the above conversation where it states that they cannot monitor messages and if they did it meant that people could be punished for talking with friends how they usually talk with them. However talking with friends is not the same as adding someone and saying '%%%% your mum, i hope you get cancer and die' or something like that. Therein lies the difference. If I raise a ticket because someone is breaking the TOS in a private message to me, then I will not be accepting 'we cant do shit in private messages' because as previously stated it is illegal to harrass someone, or exhibit threatening behaviour.
: I agree but this is not the point and you probably cannot read. I got added to receive death treaths, and reporting it with screenshots i was told by Riot private chats are not punishable. You seem to have anger issues and to be toxic yourself my friend. Relax
Oh I can read. _**After a game where a guy intentionally trolled a game to make us lose I added him in private after the game and flamed the hell out of him. YES i was toxic**_ I dont think you can read. Let me restate my point. If you add someone after a game for the express purpose of flaming then it is harrassment, which is illegal. Its also against the terms of services. If you take screenshots of the conversations and report them via a ticket then you can have something done about it. You get the advice of 'block them and ignore them' but you can still raise a ticket over it. As for anger issues? Nah, Im just sick of idiots trying to find ways to be toxic to each other. Grow up. Stop getting accounts banned, be a better person.
: PERMABANNED FOR PRIVATE CHAT and target banned by Riot Employee
You added someone to be a toxic piece of shit to them in private messages and got banned? You do realise that if it is screenshotted and reported as harrassment then you CAN get in shit for it? Ive reported many people like yourself who add me to flame me after a game. You all get banned. Lesson is stop being a toxic piece of trash.
Ilovemobas (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Madnasher,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=dJkFX1qP,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-06-04T22:49:06.426+0000) > > im counting thresh as a hooker as well as a lifesaver here Well he can do both.
correct, but Ive included him in my vote for hooking. Personally I prefer the ones who can engage well and have a solid tf presence, the ones who buff and boost are less effective imho (I am silver/gold level so its based on what I see around me)
Ilovemobas (EUNE)
: ADC players what kind of support champion would you prefer to have at your side? (Poll)
: and again, i can't stress this enough, you got 6 games of chat logs, i got ONE game and a rioter who told me "ONE report in ONE game is enough" so, why the hell are they even presenting you multiple games if ONE is enough? From this day forward, i won't belive anything riot says, they lost my trust for good
I initially got one chatlog. I contested it, and argued massively, I got told that what appears to have happened is I quoted a toxic player and that triggered the ban. I wasnt happy about this but being told that what i said is considered enough for a ban made me go ok. now I see this thread and I question Riot. its bullshit. > RarityIsBestIdol said this: > > Now, that being said, I had a look over your account, including reading through your recent chatlogs, and I'll have to be honest with you here, alright? The ban was indeed correctly placed... lemme explain why, though! > > So, the ban wasn't issued due to some specific terms only, it was also about your overall behavior in that game and in your recent games as well, you see. Basically, constantly complaining about stuff and arguing, not to mention continuously using remarks such as "ah you can %%%% off too", "you braindead idiot", "%%%%ing moron", "idiots", is considered harassing and it's another form of negative behavior. Please do keep in mind that there's a difference between offering constructive feedback and constantly bothering other players about they play. > > Now, trust me, I know you were provoked and things weren't going your way (I can see that you had a pretty rough game, it happens), but still, responding like this isn't okay either... getting into an argument with another player will do nothing but make things worse. It won't make your teammates perform any better, and most often that not, pointing out their mistakes will have the opposite effect. When I pressed him about what other games, and asked for something of substance to be provided I got this: > Cyrenena: > > It looks like the present 2 week suspension on your account was triggered because you quoted a toxic player in the chat, and while in such cases we'd have unbanned the account, we decided that in this particular case the suspension will have to stay. > > This is because, after investigating your past chat logs (common procedure for these cases) we have found multiple instances in which you have displayed an overly-negative attitude - complaining about others, berating them for mistakes, asking for reports and insulting others are not behaviors we approve of, because they ruin everyone's experience. We want LoL to be driven by a spirit of fun and fair play, and when either of these elements gets messed up, everyone realizes the game ahead of them will be a "wreck". Now we have this from Eambo: > > "Death wish" and "Death threat" are not the same thing. I don't work in Player Support however looking at your logs, I believe "Go and play in traffic" by itself may not have warranted an immediate 14 day suspension, although there is heavy implication there of wishing someone harm. > > However this, coupled with your aggressive and jerkish behaviour (can't think of a nicer term for it, sorry) would've been the reasons for this. Sometimes people may use the terms death threat/death wish interchangeably, but at it's core there's a difference. One is a threat, the other is not. Both are unwelcome. So was I deserving of a 14 day ban? not really, not from what Ive seen here and the 'justifications' Ive had. Especially considering there is a player who wished cancer on me who if they were punished received a chat ban only. There is literally no way in hell this is acceptable to me now. And now, I get to sit here and know if i have one bad day and tell someone to %%%% off, then my account can be perma banned forever.
Eambo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Madnasher,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=J77Zj0s1,comment-id=00020000000000010000000000000001,timestamp=2019-05-16T11:27:10.936+0000) > > Wait wait wait wait. > > So this raises some HUGE contention for me: > I said this to someone, and it was taken as a death wish: > [20:57] Yorick: go play in traffic > > It was even suggested as a death wish by the support agent when I was contending my 14 day ban (which was for a bad day with lots of swearing at people) > > Ill quote aspects here: > The way you chose to insult others, not to mention that death wish in game 6 - justification from the support agent for my 14 day ban. > > [24:14] Swain: what the hell is this zed and this ww > [24:27] Swain: i quit > [24:29] Swain: %%%% this > [24:31] [All] Swain: bg > [24:40] [All] Swain: what should i expect, im in promos > [24:57] Swain: zed and ww need to wake the %%%% up > - one of my aggressive and insulting chat logs > > [19:32] [All] Urgot: when silver trash talks a silver play XD > [23:28] Urgot: and a fiddle thinking he is pro and commentating > [23:38] Urgot: shut the hell up and placesome wards > -another aggressive and insulting chat log apparently > > [11:19] Urgot: absolute bullshit > [30:06] Urgot: when you ult someone %%%%ing hit them > - same here, aggressive and insulting > > [20:54] Yorick: lee > [20:57] Yorick: go play in traffic > [32:57] Yorick: never cried you moron > - the 'death threat' > > > So out of the 6 games I was given as an example, 4 are really not that bad at all. Personally I accepted it because i was told that telling someone to play in traffic is a death wish, whereas now Im questioning that. For me, its telling someone that they are so damn stupid they should go and do something that is truely stupid. Im not telling them to go die. Im not implying it, Im not telling them to kill themselves. > > So after nearly 7 years of playing and only getting one punishment (this 14 day ban) that I felt initially was unfair and shouldve been a chat ban, after my initial discussion with support I get to see this thread. now I wonder, where you being unfair when giving me the 14 day ban? I didnt say go and get hit by a car. I didnt say go and get run over. I didnt say I would come run you over. So by what Im seeing here I didnt wish death upon them at all. "Death wish" and "Death threat" are not the same thing. I don't work in Player Support however looking at your logs, I believe "Go and play in traffic" by itself may not have warranted an immediate 14 day suspension, although there is heavy implication there of wishing someone harm. However this, coupled with your aggressive and jerkish behaviour (can't think of a nicer term for it, sorry) would've been the reasons for this. Sometimes people may use the terms death threat/death wish interchangeably, but at it's core there's a difference. One is a threat, the other is not. Both are unwelcome.
Oh I was being a bit of a jerk, there isnt anything to contend that. My original log had nothing but me swearing at people and being passionate yet obviously in a bad mood. When I challenged support about it i was told that other logs have shown that I was being aggressive and probably needed to chill. After much pressure I was presented with 6 games of chat logs of which the only thing i see that was MAYBE deserving of a ban was the 'go play in traffic' because it was deemed a death wish. The rest just looked like I would be deserving of a chat ban and a warning. I do feel, especially after reading here, that having the 14 day ban (and thus now being on the verge of a perma ban for any transgression) that it was incredibly unfair. Especially given that Ive not had a punishment or warning at all (maybe a leaver buster once when I had bad internet) in the entire time I have been playing. What compounds it even more is that there is a player who wished cancer upon myself and said he fornicated my mother that hard that she got cancer, who by watching his op.gg has not had a single day off playing so was not banned at all. Balanced? No. Unfair? Definitely.
Eambo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=thebombardier92,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=J77Zj0s1,comment-id=000200000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-15T11:14:02.323+0000) > > so in your words, ''%%%'' is not deaththreatening? Correct. %%% is a suggestion or implication of self harm. Death threats are actively threatening to kill someone, as the name suggests. These are two very distinct things - again while both bad, it's much more sinister if you tell someone you are going to murder them in an active fashion, versus the more passive "suggestion" of doing it yourself. I'm not saying either of these things are okay, but one both legally and generally are considered much worse.
> [{quoted}](name=Eambo,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=J77Zj0s1,comment-id=0002000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-15T11:16:02.202+0000) > > Correct. %%% is a suggestion or implication of self harm. Death threats are actively threatening to kill someone, as the name suggests. > > These are two very distinct things - again while both bad, it's much more sinister if you tell someone you are going to murder them in an active fashion, versus the more passive "suggestion" of doing it yourself. > > I'm not saying either of these things are okay, but one both legally and generally are considered much worse. Wait wait wait wait. So this raises some HUGE contention for me: I said this to someone, and it was taken as a death wish: [20:57] Yorick: go play in traffic It was even suggested as a death wish by the support agent when I was contending my 14 day ban (which was for a bad day with lots of swearing at people) Ill quote aspects here: The way you chose to insult others, not to mention that death wish in game 6 - justification from the support agent for my 14 day ban. [24:14] Swain: what the hell is this zed and this ww [24:27] Swain: i quit [24:29] Swain: %%%% this [24:31] [A%%%%Swain: bg [24:40] [All] Swain: what should i expect, im in promos [24:57] Swain: zed and ww need to wake the %%%% up - one of my %%%%essive and insulting chat logs [19:32] [All] Urgot: when silver trash talks a silver play XD [23:28] Urgot: and a fiddle thinking he is pro and commentating [23:38] Urgot: shut the hell up and placesome wards -another aggressive and insulting chat log apparently [11:19] Urgot: absolute bullshit [30:06] Urgot: when you ult someone %%%%ing hit them - s%%%%here, aggressive and insulting [20:54] Yorick: lee [20:57] Yorick: go play in traffic [32:57] Yorick: never cried you moron - the 'death threat' So out of the 6 games I was given as an example, 4 are really not that bad at all. Personally I accepted it because i was told that telling someone to play in traffic is a death wish, whereas now Im questioning that. For me, its telling someone that they are so damn stupid they should go and do something that is truely stupid. Im not telling them to go die. Im not implying it, Im not telling them to kill themselves. So after nearly 7 years of playing and only getting one punishment (this 14 day ban) that I felt initially was unfair and shouldve been a chat ban, after my initial discussion with support I get to see this thread. now I wonder, where you being unfair when giving me the 14 day ban? I didnt say go and get hit by a car. I didnt say go and get run over. I didnt say I would come run you over. So by what Im seeing here I didnt wish death upon them at all. Meanwhile the person who told me to get cancer, that he %%%%ed my mum, and that he %%%%ed my mum so hard she got cancer is not punished at all. Unless he just received a chat ban. For wishing cancer upon people.
: Vayne's true damage.
I mean, percent hp damage from botrk, plus the phantom procs from guinsoo, added to that her true damage on every 2nd hit (thanks guinsoo) and she melts tanks far too quickly far too early in the game. Gone are the days where late game monsters like vayne didnt come online until 3-4 items (so real late game) now its 2 items and 20-25 minutes and you cant face off vs them as a tank. When an adc can splitpush with no support, then its not a good thing at all.
Tarolock (EUNE)
: excessive swearing, insulting and verbal abuse can skip punishments, just as the zero tolerance words if you cant play a game without insulting others then i suggest you pick up some single player games where you could be best without insulting everyone around you
Thats excessively negative. As I said, I usually am a good player, no punishments in 7 years of playing. One bad day, with two horrendous games back to back and I get a 14 day ban. Sure I accept that I was not in the right, and I accept that even though I was replying and retaliating I was still deserving of a punishment. Do I accept the 14 day ban and the reasoning given for it? Sure, but do I think it was incredibly harsh and borderline unfair? Also sure. I will now be on my last warning, that any infraction can have my account perma banned. After 7 years of playing WITH NO PUNISHMENTS LEVIED AT ALL. Due to one bad day. Wanna know what I did after those two games? I took a break for a few days. Wanna know what is funny? I reported a player for telling me to kill myself, that he had sexual relations with my mother, that the sex gave him cancer, that I should have cancer, and that my mother should die of cancer. He is still playing. Want to tell me how balanced things are? Want to tell me that every case is handled? I have one day left of my suspension. It was issued the same day I had those bad games. This other player is STILL PLAYING. So please, tell me how we get to see day in and day out players telling people to go die, players calling each other c unts, players being vile and abusive and still playing. and yet, I tell people to go f uck themselves and I get the 14 day ban (no chat restriction) and yet a guy who LITERALLY wished cancer upon me is still playing (and if he did get punished maybe he received a chat ban)
Tarolock (EUNE)
: there is no levels of toxicity, you are either toxic or you are not... there is no middleground, there is no "well you flamed a little, heres a lesser punishment", NOTHING like that, if you are toxic you have 3 chances to change, 10 game chat restriction, 25 game chat restriction and 14 day ban, if you are still toxic after all those then you are not wanted in this community, go look for a different game where you can be as toxic as you want
Uh, Gotta say you are slightly wrong there buddy, I had a bad game (quite a bit of swearing, told a few people to %%%% off) and got a 14 day ban. no chat restriction, nothing. Issue was after reviewing my chat logs they could see i had been aggressive in a few chats (swearing etc) and here is the thing to note. No %%%, no cancer, none of the standard bile you see, just %%%% off, %%%% you, the ravings of a frustrated player with toxic team mates. Never done anything wrong in the 7 years of playing. No chat ban, straight to 14 day ban. They are being stricter than they need to be and it is damaging the environment. There are genuine points where it needs to be super strict, but others where it doesn't
: you got a full ban because probably this wasn't your first offence and i doubt you got 14 days for a "%%%%ing moron"
Its genuinely my first offence. Thats the only chatlog they sent me. Hence why im pissed at it, a chat ban is something I wouldve expected.
ryandub (EUW)
: When I'm in these situations, i buy control wards and I literally sit at my turret and farm there and don't push pass mid-way until someone comes. I know its boring but at least your still increasing cs and not dying. We've all lost our cool for sure in at least 1 game - no one is innocent. But man, you flamed hard bro. ha ha. At least its only a temporary ban.
Aye I did flame, not denying that at all. I've questioned why I didnt get a chat ban instead of a full ban. I was sitting under turret, couldnt even approach the wave at all, kept pinging drake etc while I was being camped. Kindred was in vision for so much of the time while she was top. Drives me insane when a jungler just afk farms, didnt even gank his premade.
ryandub (EUW)
: Thats crap. I find it funny they ban someone for 14 days over some chat that someone can mute, but they don't ban someone for going AFK in a ranked game. They put the Leave Buster after them so they queue longer - and thats if they actually do something about it.
Well Im currently debating with support on it. To take a comment directly from the email: 'Now, that being said, I had a look over your account, including reading through your recent chatlogs, and I'll have to be honest with you here, alright? The ban was indeed correctly placed... lemme explain why, though! So, the ban wasn't issued due to some specific terms only, it was also about your overall behavior in that game and in your recent games as well, you see.' Yet Ive been given only one reason, and only one chat log. Ive even said yes I was wrong to talk like that, but its my first offence in 7 years of playing. i feel the punishment does not fit the crime at all.
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