Goodnigut (EUW)
: Mate. I've been there, thus my chat restriction, but compared with you I did post my chat logs and didn't act all innocent. I just asked for fairness which I didn't receive.
Well, I admitted that sometimes I flamed, but rarely started it. Also I know that flaming back is bad, but seeing Riot does so little to change anything, it felt more frustrating and helped me becoming negative or toxic in certain situations. About the fairness or whatever, I would link the log, but the log just shows my part and I didn't receive it yet. Will do another game, in my other account, because trolled pays: won a game trolling 2-17-6, with an afker Urgot supp lol.
GLurch (EUW)
: >Where they banned? Rarely, close to never. How do you know?
Normally you get notice of that. And some, just for curiosity I added.
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: you don't need to copy my comment because i can read it from above. >I get the general idea how you think it works. But no, you are wrong. this i not how i think it works. This is how it works. I will give you an example of your situation. You are in silver 5 0 LP. Now you lose 5 games in a row (you do not drop. it doesn't matter if you drop or not) so now you mmr has dropped but your placing is the same, still s5. Now you win 5. you will be at 75 LP now, but even when your mmr has risen aswell, it still hasn't been able to catch your standing (s5 75 LP) because there hasn't been enough time to do so. I can give you another example using real life situation. Imagine that there are 2 people whos names are MMR and Standing. MMR is a bit faster runner than Standing. Now first (losing) MMR runs away while Standing is trying to catch him. Standing is trapped and can't move (0 LP) while MMR keeps running away. Their distance has grown kinda big because Standing couldn't run after MMR. Now it's Standing turn to run the other way and MMR is trying to catch him. Catching Standing will take longer than running away from him because now Standing can move so the distance MMR needs to close is bigger. Dropping from a tier (for example silver to bronze) means your mmr is much lower then it should be in your division so climbing back doesn't mean your mmr has stabilized. I hope my explanations were easy to understand. >The problem is, i won 6 games, got placed in B5. Where did u get placed? And i bet u won 2x more points than u lose, per win/loss. That helps a lot, right? I can't remember how many games out of 10 i won but i got placed to silver 1 (i was plat 3 when season ended) and i got placed to silver 2 with my other account. BOTH are now in platinum so i'd say it's skill and not just luck. My other account has 182 ranked games played and it gains about 24 LP and loses 15 atm because it's mmr is higher than it should be in my division. The other account has surpassed this account in elo. I switched to the other account because when ever i played on this account, my team mates were always boosted and uncarriable ( a Very big problem in platinum and that is why i don't like t play in that elo). I have absolutely no problem in carrying teams below plat but when i get to plat i hit a wall. The enemy team has platinum player which means they know how to use the advantages they have. If my boosted team mate does badly (which they always will), the enemy gains advantage that they will not lose like gold and below players would. They will get a death grip from your balls and squeeze until you lose. I can carry games if my team mates are plat level players because im still better than people in that elo in every aspect of the game. So i went on my smurf and started ranking with it. Got to plat and instantly i get boosted players ( i dont use that as an insult. They are for a fact boosted) in my team. Most horrible thing tho is the riots match making in promos. I play with and against platinum 3 players, but when i get to promos, silver 1 to gold 4 players in my team. Like what's up with that? looking at their previous season and win rates, they didnt even have close to the same mmr as i did so there should be no way for them to be in the same match. Once you get to platinum, you realize how easy the low elo is to climb and carry. And you will realize taht the true elo hell is just ahead. There are more boosted players than boosters in this game. High elo suffers much more from unfair games than low elo.
Thanks again for the answer. I understood your explanation, but still, overall, I win more games than I lose, even after those latest big losing streaks I got, with hopeless teams: afkers (today in 4-5 games i got 2), trolls, got one today (intentionally feeding) and players that really cannot understand the simplest thing, that is team play. Again about your explanation, it does not matter who do I face. What matters is my mmr and my actual place/division. Well, I must admit that in part that makes sense, because tonight i played against lots of gold teams and players, dunno how, and was still losing (22-19) more than winning (15-16), still slightly better than before... Here it is one match that I played today, the last one: http://postimg.org/image/72zspxr5t/
: first, i can't duo with you in ranked because you aren't at least gold. Normals are not a proper place to show ones skill. In ranked you are playing with and against bad players. Do not mistake your ability to beat bad players with skill. I can't even get my account to bronze/low silver even if i tried to. >You say i need to win more games, bullshiet. I win more games than I lose, even with the latest losing streaks I get, with nothing but trolls. I said it's going to take time for your mmr to stabilize. >And tell me, why I'm im losing more points than i win if i have more wins than losses? That would be a good answer. Very easy to answer. imagine yourself going 5-5 in provisional matches. Now you win 20 games in a row so it's 25-5. Now you keep winning and losing the same amount and you are 55-35. Now you start to lose 5 games for every 4 wins and go through this rotation 5 times (the order of wins and losses doesn't matter). now you are 75-60. Now you still have more wins than losses but will still lose more LP from a defeat than you get from a defeat because your mmr stabilized when you were winning 50% of your games. After that you were losing 5 for 4 wins and so your mmr started to fall so you will naturally gain less lp than lose. This will easily happen without you noticing it especially if you are in a division with 0 LP and you keep losing but do not fall to lower division. I don't know if you understood my example but i hope you did. I don't know if i can explain it more clearly.
> [{quoted}](name=Banana Splits,realm=EUW,application-id=N9uP9Byj,discussion-id=ahcGowac,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-06-02T20:55:35.933+0000) > > first, i can't duo with you in ranked because you aren't at least gold. Normals are not a proper place to show ones skill. In ranked you are playing with and against bad players. Do not mistake your ability to beat bad players with skill. I can't even get my account to bronze/low silver even if i tried to. > > I said it's going to take time for your mmr to stabilize. > > Very easy to answer. imagine yourself going 5-5 in provisional matches. Now you win 20 games in a row so it's 25-5. Now you keep winning and losing the same amount and you are 55-35. Now you start to lose 5 games for every 4 wins and go through this rotation 5 times (the order of wins and losses doesn't matter). now you are 75-60. Now you still have more wins than losses but will still lose more LP from a defeat than you get from a defeat because your mmr stabilized when you were winning 50% of your games. After that you were losing 5 for 4 wins and so your mmr started to fall so you will naturally gain less lp than lose. This will easily happen without you noticing it especially if you are in a division with 0 LP and you keep losing but do not fall to lower division. > > I don't know if you understood my example but i hope you did. I don't know if i can explain it more clearly. Thanks for the answer. Your explanation was a bit confusing, but I get the general idea how you think it works. But no, you are wrong. Like i said, i still win more than i lose. So i should be winning at the least the same points i lose. Example: indeed i lost a lot of games being zero points s5, got demoted, but then won a lot of games in a row, around the same amount, so it should fix the mmr. It didnt. You arent silver bc maybe u are better, maybe u r luckier. I have 2 friend i used to play with, cant say they are better, still they went up until plat. And we used to play together in gold elo, with me doing just fine. The problem is, i won 6 games, got placed in B5. Where did u get placed? And i bet u won 2x more points than u lose, per win/loss. That helps a lot, right?
Madragoa (EUW)
: Just troll teams and losing 2x more poins than I win. Why am i cursed?
Wanna see more trolls? 2 games in a row i lost 5v4, still my teammates cannot do anything right: http://postimg.org/image/e4vdn8hbf/ Ashe troll supp, mocking us in trade chat Twicht nothing but feeding. Basically no one warded but me. Azir mid mega feeding, saying he won the lane, lol. Mao, lost his lane but not dying much, was the best or the hardest to kill.
Madragoa (EUW)
: Just troll teams and losing 2x more poins than I win. Why am i cursed?
http://postimg.org/image/hwgxx3ijf/ Lately I'm getting teams slightly better, still, I'm losing way more points than I win. Even though, I climbed one division, to get 2 troll team right after. If before I was playing vs bronze, now I'm mostly playing vs silver, still no difference. Something terrible wrong with this system.
Smerk (EUW)
: All I see is quite bad Azir and Fiora, no trolls
> [{quoted}](name=Smerk,realm=EUW,application-id=N9uP9Byj,discussion-id=ahcGowac,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-06-02T06:35:10.095+0000) > > All I see is quite bad Azir and Fiora, no trolls Sadly, Azir was trolling and flaming hard. He was feeding since the start. I tried to help, even gave him 2 kills, but the dude would not stop, flaming and dying. Then he goes solo push the rest of the game, leaving us 4v5. Needless to say, enemy team didnt care about him much, they pushed 5v4... Azir got 0-1 turrets.
: you need to change your mentality. Play to improve, not to climb. You do not climb unless you improve. You aren't cursed if you are stuck in silver 5. You are there because you aren't good. Just have to face it. If you lose more points than you gain, your mmr is lower than it should be in your division. You are actually playing in bronze and not silver. Improving your mmr will take time so you need to be prepared for not climbing for a while. You need to stabilize your mmr first. Only way to do that is to win more games than losing. Jst remember. You aren't supposed to play ranked to climb but to improve. Improving doesn't happen in a blink of an eye. It takes time. It's all up to you how fast.
> [{quoted}](name=Banana Splits,realm=EUW,application-id=N9uP9Byj,discussion-id=ahcGowac,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-06-02T03:49:09.294+0000) > > you need to change your mentality. Play to improve, not to climb. You do not climb unless you improve. > > You aren't cursed if you are stuck in silver 5. You are there because you aren't good. Just have to face it. > > If you lose more points than you gain, your mmr is lower than it should be in your division. You are actually playing in bronze and not silver. > > Improving your mmr will take time so you need to be prepared for not climbing for a while. You need to stabilize your mmr first. Only way to do that is to win more games than losing. > > Jst remember. You aren't supposed to play ranked to climb but to improve. Improving doesn't happen in a blink of an eye. It takes time. It's all up to you how fast. You say I'm bad without seeing me playing. Lets duo and we will see. You say i need to win more games, bullshiet. I win more games than I lose, even with the latest losing streaks I get, with nothing but trolls. And tell me, why I'm im losing more points than i win if i have more wins than losses? That would be a good answer.
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Loki331 (EUW)
: They had a better winrate the last season. You know your MMR is influenced from your last seasons? you dont get a hard reset. It is only a Soft reset...
> [{quoted}](name=Loki331,realm=EUW,application-id=mmWRnfcc,discussion-id=MExKOQZt,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2016-02-19T08:58:37.562+0000) > > They had a better winrate the last season. You know your MMR is influenced from your last seasons? you dont get a hard reset. It is only a Soft reset... Last season with a worse win ratio i was winning more points and i was higher, up to gold. And I was talking about people i knew and saw last season that made it until gold or higher with a worse win ration. Probably there are equal examples this season, but I didnt check. To be honest, this system seems quite chaotic, none of the explains i heard make sense confronting them with the facts.
FrankerX (EUW)
: Will i ever see the message that someone got banned?
Riot are the biggest trolls, must be. Recently i got banned because i tilted after so many games with afkers, trolls and flamers and i finally answered them, not offending their families, like they do, just calling things by the name, flamers a flamer, noob a noob and troll a troll. Guess what, i bot chat ban and probably they got away, again, calling me mutherfuker, saying they would fuk my mom and etc. Thats the way this game is, quit it in time or you will get worse as a person.
Loki331 (EUW)
: You had in all your last Seasons always a Win-Rate below 50%. If you win now more and more, you will get again more points. Just win your games. http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/EUW/Mr%20Don%20Arlequin/stats/season2015
My question was about the current season, still, that makes not much sense, in many cases. You can check the ladder and you will find players in gold, maybe even higher, with a negative win ratio. How did they manage to get there?
: Your MMR > Current rank -> more LP on win, less on loss Your MMR < Current rank -> less LP on win, more on loss Your MMR = Current rank -> you lose and gain ~same ammount of LP
First, thanks for the answer but that is what i thought but it seems just theory, it is not working that way. Last season i ended up in silver. Did the placement this season, playing lots of games vs gold, winning 6 out of 10, but got placed in B5. Climbed my way up to silver, with a good win ratio, but then started losing way more, getting worse teams, more afkers and trolls. So, i really have no clue how the system works.
: Your MMR > Current rank -> more LP on win, less on loss Your MMR < Current rank -> less LP on win, more on loss Your MMR = Current rank -> you lose and gain ~same ammount of LP
But if I have more wins than losses how can my mmr be below my current rank? And I had way more wins than i have now, in terms of %, but since i got to silver i have been in hell: way more afk, trolls and feeders.
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: euw down
Same here, for two times today, and the last one was worse. That besides the troll teams every game for 10+ games made my die. GG rito u suck.

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